>best controls in the series; easy to learn hard to master >difficult and diverse tracks with ominous sci-fi cyberpunk atmosphere >great craft balance >amazing soundtrack Accept no replacements for Wipeout 2097/XL, to this day the best game in the series.

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Anonymous Thu Mar 9 10:48:32 2023 No.9726516 [Reply] [Original]

>best controls in the series; easy to learn hard to master
>difficult and diverse tracks with ominous sci-fi cyberpunk atmosphere
>great craft balance
>amazing soundtrack

Accept no replacements for Wipeout 2097/XL, to this day the best game in the series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 10:49:23 2023 No.9726517 Why not 3?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 10:51:41 2023 No.9726519 >>9726516 I liked the PSP games the better

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 11:07:19 2023 No.9726541 >>9726516 The saturn ones are direct ports right? How does the n64 version fit in?

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 11:14:31 2023 No.9726552

>>9726517
3 falls short of being the perfect Wipeout game for some reasons:
- Original version has flawed collision physics. They were somewhat fixed in the SE version, but with some caveats of their own.
- Crafts and speeds are poorly balanced in original version. It is for instance easier to finish Stanza Inter with Feisar on Phantom than on Rapier or Venom.
- UI design is stylish but hard to read. It also lacks important information such as lap numbers.
- Plenty of tracks are also style over substance. Generally the 1st half of the game (Porto Korra, Mega Mall, Sampa, Stanza) is much better than the 2nd half, or the remade classic tracks.
- Energy boost system was never properly balanced.
- SE version which addresses a lot of these issues is sadly PAL only.

Anonymous Thu Mar 9 11:17:33 2023 No.9726558

>>9726541
>How does the n64 version fit in?

It's a different game altogether that just shares the same craft models and similar aesthetics of 2097. It is also a direct sequel, taking place some years after. It also has sharper controls with a more direct input, somewhat similar to F-Zero.

And yes, the saturn version is a direct port, but not a very good one. the PS1 NTSC is the one to play.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 12:33:44 2023 No.9726672 File: 7 KB, 230x70, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Qirex will never look this good again :_(

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 12:46:25 2023 No.9726682 >>9726552 >style over substance The same reason why Ridge Racer Type 4 is worse than Rage Racer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 13:16:30 2023 No.9726731 >>9726672 They should start stealing from Feisar again then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 13:31:17 2023 No.9726741 >>9726558 Thanks for the summary

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 14:42:28 2023 No.9726860 >>9726682 No it's not, retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 18:04:28 2023 No.9727257 >>9726672 Their craft in 3 and HD is great though

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 19:37:38 2023 No.9727458 >>9726860 Deep inside you know that it's true

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 19:40:49 2023 No.9727467 >>9726552 >- SE version which addresses a lot of these issues is sadly PAL only. Is this an issue for a game made in England? A game would be developed in 50hz and then a 60hz fork would be created later.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 21:36:47 2023 No.9727702 >>9727467 The speed is correct, but those extra 5 FPS really come in handy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 21:39:18 2023 No.9727708 The Wipeout series has the most overrated OST and art direction of all time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 21:51:50 2023 No.9727723 >>9726517 The boost system is faggy. Also the AI abuses reflector shields.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 9 22:13:34 2023 No.9727747 File: 65 KB, 989x691, 1585436891286.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9727458 How do you know that is what I know deep inside me? You cannot. Checkm8 atheist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:38:32 2023 No.9728075 >>9726516 >Accept no replacements for Wipeout 2097/XL, to this day the best game in the series. and birds go tweet

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 01:58:31 2023 No.9728121 >>9728075 The intelligent birds go "caw" and all games in the series are equally great except Fusion

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 12:52:13 2023 No.9729057
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>>9727723
OP here, I'm the first one to admit the boost system in 3 is not a bad idea, since it does force you to strategize and use the pit more frequently than in 2097/XL.

However, it was poorly balanced, and some crafts were made overly dependent on it. It is, for instance, impossible to win on tracks like Stanza Inter with a slow craft like Feisar on sheer maneuvering skills alone. You MUST use the boost to compensate for the lack of raw speed or face defeat.

Comparatively, if you use Pirhana, you can skip the boost altogether, given the craft is both really fast and highly maneuverable, and draining your energy makes you more vulnerable to getting your craft destroyed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:23:36 2023 No.9729156 >>9726516 How do I get good at this game? I feel like I still don't understand how I am supposed to play it properly. I know I should just keep playing and I'll get better, but maybe you got some tips, idk

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:31:19 2023 No.9729173

>>9729156
IDEALLY ou need to be turning before you get to a corner. Even more so at high speed classes.
Airbrakes don't turn your ship as much as they make it really easy to spin around the correct direction, but they slow you down in doing so.
For soft turns you try to exclusively turn "normally", airbrakes for microcorrections.
On hard turns you use airbrakes to turn the ship towards the corner exit and then release when you're pointing the right way.
If you turned too much a bit of opposite airbrake helps set the ship back in the right direction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:40:12 2023 No.9729186 Is 3 SE ever going to get a 60 fps patch? Its always lauded as one of the best, except for the PAL framerate.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 14:44:06 2023 No.9729195

>>9729057
>However, it was poorly balanced, and some crafts were made overly dependent on it
That's exactly why it's bad. It just adds another whole layer of balancing to worry about, not to mention it makes the sense of speed dependent on it as it will inevitably force the devs to make the game slower so that the boost will actually feel fast when used. Not to mention that one enemy attack can kill your boosting speed (which already cost shields in the first place) so you just try to go faster and get punished for it.
Boost items were just better and they knew it. That's why they brought those back and never tried this shit again.

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 15:38:35 2023 No.9729260

>>9729156

From what I see >>9729173 just answered your question very nicely. What I can add to it, is that you first try to master the game with Feisar. It gives you superior handling, but it's slow, so you really need to nail almost perfect laps every time in order to win, which really teaches you the ins and outs of every track.

Secondly, one key component of the game is understanding that because AI is timed to slow down with every lap, lap times are the most important thing to keep track off, not your race position. Once you figure the minimum lap times to beat the race, you'll be thinking in terms to save time instead of overtaking your opponents. Be wary that on the final lap, AI will have a higher chance of rolling missiles and spamming them at you, so you will always have a harder time on it.

Aside from that, memorize every track and figure the best way to do tricky segments. This is usually known as "learning the race line", as in, imagining a line that runs across the track, plotting an ideal course.

Finally be strategic with your items, especially with speed boosts and autopilots. Almost every track as an "ideal spot" where autopilot efficiency is maximized and doesn't drop you against a wall once it goes off. The best example of that is the final 90º turn at Odessa Keys; while it's doable at low speed, you're almost always better off saving autopilots for that, even if it costs you some extra time by going thru the pit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 17:20:21 2023 No.9729480 >>9729186 I think that is unlikely.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 18:59:05 2023 No.9729717 File: 3.95 MB, 1678x1080, WXL.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 25 years later and you can still hear it

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:01:00 2023 No.9729721 For me it's Dust Up Beats by the Chemical Brothers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:44:35 2023 No.9729813 File: 3.52 MB, 1920x1080, W3.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best track.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 19:50:14 2023 No.9729829 >>9729480 Yeah it sucks. Theres 60 fps patches for a lot of PSX games, and yet no one thought to cover the one that would benefit the most.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 20:58:08 2023 No.9729984 >>9729813 But anon, that's not Manor Top

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 21:25:48 2023 No.9730058 >>9729813 shader or real capture?

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 21:46:28 2023 No.9730121

>>9729984
Overrated track. Manor Top is a repetitive and subpar version of 2097's Spilskinanke. It's also not very well designed: the 4 sharp 90º turn stretch is very easily clearable with a single autopilot. A better challenge is found in tracks like Hi-Fumi, while tracks like Mega Mall and Porto Kora offer a much nicer atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 21:52:49 2023 No.9730139 Is there anything wrong with the newest HD entry/collection/whatever the hell it is? I know it's not retro but I'm interested in exploring the series

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 21:58:54 2023 No.9730157 >>9727708 Is this cope

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:00:06 2023 No.9730159 >>9730139 Omega is a fine port

Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:01:57 2023 No.9730164

>>9730139
No, but it's just the last 2 games. Great games at that, but the /vr/ ones are worth playing.
>>9730121
>the 4 sharp 90º turn stretch is very easily clearable with a single autopilot
If you rape your airbrakes going in you don't even need the autopilot.
Spilskinanke is a better track purely for the ass-puckering factor, but I really like how Manor flows. Atmosphere wise Mega Mall suffers from being really bland past the corkscrew imo, I prefer P-Mar. Porto Kora is a classic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 10 22:29:55 2023 No.9730234 File: 3.96 MB, 1920x1080, Wipeout.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone else love the W1 boost? >>9730058 vhspro shader

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:00:16 2023 No.9730429 >>9730234 Is it a reshade preset? Looks neat

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:01:26 2023 No.9730432 >>9730139 It's a good port of Wipeout HD + Fury DLC (2008) and Wipeout 2048 (2012). 4k and unbreakable 60fps, can't go wrong with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:17:30 2023 No.9730449 File: 2.90 MB, 2560x1440, VHSPro.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9730429

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 00:48:22 2023 No.9730514 >>9730449 based, thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 14:48:32 2023 No.9731727 >>9726519 Based. I spent hundreds hours on Pulse when the servers were still up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 11 14:53:20 2023 No.9731739 >>9726516 2097/XL had the best soundtrack. 3 has better gameplay and doesn't have an ass tasting energy drink plastered all over it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 02:41:48 2023 No.9733703 File: 1.90 MB, 1918x1458, Handle_the_curves.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9726516 Controls real good with the NeGcon. >>9726519 What does the originals offer over the Omega Collection?

Anonymous Sun Mar 12 09:20:59 2023 No.9734264

>>9733703
Omega Collection doesn't include the PSP games. HD Fury recycles Pulse and Pure content, but the physics are different to either game, the tracks are altered, and there's a ton of stuff missing. It does have reverse versions of the few Pure tracks included though, and a great Zone mode.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 09:22:51 2023 No.9734269 >>9726682 >>9726860 It is. Rage Racer was the last "ridge racer" game, Type 4 basically changed the series into something else entirely, Rage is the last arcadey feeling RR game

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 15:46:24 2023 No.9734731 >>9734269 Rage Racer is the black sheep. It was made by a B-team and has very little to do with classic RR mechanics, instead focusing more on gear shifting and realism. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 22:34:28 2023 No.9735716 >>9734731 >RR >realism It has the least weighty cars and arcadey drift mechanics. Type 4 and onward resemble sim racing way more

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 12 22:46:24 2023 No.9735739 File: 25 KB, 243x409, Cyber_Speedway_cover_us.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9726516 >wipeurarseout I'd rather play a good game

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 10:03:24 2023 No.9736762
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>>9734264
I missed out. I had no idea with the newer stuff. Thanks for the great information. I did get Omega Collection for the VR (which I've not played yet) and was hoping that included all that I had missed of the series since the original Playstation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 10:06:34 2023 No.9736765 >>9733703 >>9736762 Are you this much of an irritating attention seeking prick in real life?

Anonymous Mon Mar 13 10:38:47 2023 No.9736813

>>9734731
>B-Team
There is no "B-Team" or other "teams", retard, Namco didn't assign specific teams behind their franchises. Playstation Ridge Racer games were all made by the same designers and programmers for the most part, with Rage Racer and RRT4 sharing the most talent. Arcade originals were made by different people save for one or two dudes that helped with PS1 ports later.
It's RR64 that wasn't even made by Namco.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 10:42:18 2023 No.9736816 >>9735716 >Type 4 and onward resemble sim racing way more What part of Type 4 resembles sim to you? Talking to team manager? Type 4 cars don't even behave like a four wheel vehicle with Earth physics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 12:36:43 2023 No.9736924 >>9735716 >Type 4 and onward resemble sim No it does not, certainly not more than Rage and V. The fuck are you on about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 13 12:38:44 2023 No.9736926 >>9736924 V was the closest to sim Ridge Racer ever was but still not even a simcade level.

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