/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9712728]

When does FF7 even start giving you gameplay "for real"? I'm at a stage past Cloud's bath rape / crossdressing, and so far the game feels like one large scripted event with 5 minutes of gameplay between every new plot sequence. This is getting tiresome.
While we're at it, is FF8 the same?

[Anonymous No.9712735]

>>9712728
bait thread, but if you dont like a game then just go play something else, the game isnt going to get better for u if ur not already enjoying it.

[Anonymous No.9712747]

>>9712735
>bait
please name me 1 thing that I said that was wrong
I was told that FF7 starts with little exploration, but I didn't think it lasted for so long. I asked a simple question: when does it give you more or less freedom and gameplay sequences for longer than 5-15 minutes.

[Anonymous No.9712778]

>>9712728
Once you get out of Midgar really

[Anonymous No.9712782]

>>9712728
It's a PS1 Square JRPG, there is no gameplay

3 niggas in a row and nothing to do in the overworld except dialogues for 60 hours

[Anonymous No.9712792]

>>9712778
Is that the part after you raid Shinra HQ?

[Anonymous No.9712793]

>>9712782
How come this game is seen as a big deal, then?

[Anonymous No.9712819]

>>9712728
>>9712747
You don't get much of any of the interesting materia to play with until like halfway throgh disc 1. Similarly, you also don't get much freedom in where to go until around that point as well.

[Anonymous No.9712837]

>>9712793
you had to be there. i love this game but its hard for me to imagine young people who started with the ps3 or ps4 gravitating toward a game like this with turn based battles.

[Anonymous No.9712840]

>>9712793
because cutscenes were a 'big deal' in 1997

[Anonymous No.9712849]

>>9712782
This was the Playstation answer to OoT? lol, lmao. No wonder OoT is seem as the best game of all time when this shit is the competition. Basedny incels will really eat up anything huh?

[Anonymous No.9712851]

>>9712792
yeah, then you go out of the city and you finally step onto the overworld

[Anonymous No.9712862]

Can't relate, I'm playing through this for the first time and having a blast. Yes it's a typical JRPG but it's a really good one. I was also wondering if FFVIII is worth a playthrough or should I just go to FFIX next?

[Anonymous No.9712867]

>>9712728
Gets good after 20 hours.

[Anonymous No.9712869]

you can always tell if someone's larping and hasn't played FF7 when they call it a "movie game", i could maybe see that with MGS but not with FF7 it's pretty much all gameplay

[Anonymous No.9712874]

>>9712849
PS1 doesn't really have anything better than OoT, but it does have things way better than FFVII.

[Anonymous No.9712912]

>>9712728
>I'm at a stage past Cloud's bath rape / crossdressing
>everyone grew up with stuff like this
>then people wonder why the world is gay

[Anonymous No.9712915]

>>9712874
I hate how FF7 is always seen as THE PS1 game. Even something like Ape Escape is a better and more timeless game and even if you really love JRPGs, there is Suikoden 2, Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, Valkyrie Chronicles, etc.

[Anonymous No.9712923]

>>9712728
Almost all of the JRPGs after gen 3 are like this so if you are not enjoying it it's simply not your cup of tea
>>9712849
>>9712874
Nobody ever claimed that FFVII was supposed to be Playstation's answer to OoT. Final Fantasy is a fucking turn-based RPG series. You need to compare OoT to something like the MML games or Tomba

[Anonymous No.9713286]

go back to last of us and pushing boxes

[Anonymous No.9713403]

>>9712851
>>9712819
ok thank you, guess I'll have to hold on for a little longer. because if the whole game was like it, I'd feel like I was trolled by Enix
>>9712869
it's not a movie game, but I'm coming to it after Phantasy Star 4, and just holy shit. there hasn't been a single proper "dungeon" yet. virtually no equipment choices to speak of, reduced to buying different bangles. all the materia combos I've found boil down to casting Lightning + All on enemies. and yeah, while we're at it… is ATB even good? I don't see much point in the system, but not like it's bad or something, it's just whatever. you'd think FF7 would make it iconic, but really I've never seen ATB discussed much anywhere.
I must note that I always played mostly gameplay-focused RPGs before. but even with that said, I don't think I've ever played a game that has had so little "real" gameplay early on. it all feels like glorified tutorial so far.
and no, MGS has gameplay, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9713437]

>>9713403
ATB is good but it triggers people because they think that it's cheating when the game makes them act under pressure. ATB was a selling point when it released but since 95% of the audience just sets it to wait it went extinct. I use active in every game that offers it but I'm in the minority.

[Anonymous No.9713465]

>>9712793
No other game felt as big as FF7 in 1997. Just a gigantic, well designed world and tons of cgi cutscenes and cloud as a protag spoke directly to the hearts of edgy young boys. The movie-game portion ends after disc 1 for the most part.
FFX does everything FF7 did but better, and both are better than the shitshow FF became after 12.

[Anonymous No.9713487]

>>9713465
then why does FFX get so much shit?

[Anonymous No.9713494]

>>9713487
FFX has a much worse cast with bad voice acting. Unlike cloud who is an entertaining schizo, the story is centered around yuna who is pretty boring, and tidus who is a giant dork

[Anonymous No.9713504]

>>9713487
zooms are dumb and parrot the opinions of no-life gigavirgin millennials therefore making them even more pathetic.
FFX was as popular as FF7 for a briefer period and was one of the big three games that sold the PS2.

[Anonymous No.9713513]

>>9713494
The voice acting in FFX is good. It’s the script written by Japanese turboautists who can’t into emotion desperately being performed by the voice actors that can come off as weird, and I know the only thing you are thinking of is the Titus laughing scene, and because of that scene everyone says “muh bad voice acting”.
Kimahri Is memorable specifically for his voice acting, and the same goes for Wakka.
You’re another echo chamber faggot.

[Anonymous No.9713519]

>>9713494
>FFX has a much worse cast
10 is the only FF where every cast member is important to the story. I love Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, and Barret (it's my favourite game after all) but nobody gives a shit about Cait With. And don't get me started on FF6 which has 3 interesting party members at most (out of what, 16? 17?)
>bad voice acting
Hell no

[Anonymous No.9713524]

>>9713513
>It’s the script written by Japanese turboautists
Exactly this. There is a lot of retardation in FFX's minutia and I don't know how the actors pulled any of that shit off with a straight face

[Anonymous No.9713526]

>>9713513
Yuna has a bad performance the entire game and she's a lynchpin character, if it was just the laughing scene I would have said that

[Anonymous No.9713532]

>>9713526
Show me a single example of her voice actress performing badly, and not a bad script.

[Anonymous No.9713534]

>>9713526
I hate her fake uwu anime voice. If my wife spoke like that I would beat her every day.

[Anonymous No.9714342]

>>9712849
Metal Gear Solid is PS1's OoT. Final Fantasy is mostly a meme

[Anonymous No.9714897]

>>9713487
People are dumb and don't realize it's kino because they never finished it just saw the Tidus laughing scene and listened to the echo chamber. >>9713465
Is right in thay it is better in every way and is an unadulterated masterpiece

[Anonymous No.9714909]

>>9714897
aesthetically and battle system wise i think ffx is fantastic, but it's very story heavy and the story is pure melodrama. i can understand why people dislike it, i would find it hard to play again today.

[Anonymous No.9714931]

>>9713504
Just a few years ago they had a big FF ranking tv special on nip tv and FFX was voted as the best one by nip population. So seems like FFX is still very popular over there

[Anonymous No.9714938]

>>9713494
These days it's not hard to play FFX with JP VA and ENG subs so there's no point being upset about bad ENG VA anymore. Yeah it sucks, of course it sucks, but it doesn't matter anymore.

[Anonymous No.9715245]

>>9714938
The JP VA is worse

[Anonymous No.9715261]

>>9714931
Did they really put the first game at 24? Man. I disagree.
Though, how was voting counted? Was it just everyone got one vote and they ranked them by votes?

[Anonymous No.9715268]

>>9715261
Probably, so it's less a best-to-worst t
ranking of FF games and a most-popular to least-popular #1 favourite list, so just cause VII made second doesn't necessarily mean it's the typical persons 2nd favourite since that's not what they were asked. Using preferential voting could have alleviated this but there is the possibility of a Condorcet paradox.

[Anonymous No.9715481]

>>9715261
FF1 wasn't very big in Japan during the Famicom times. It's a #63 best selling FC game, which isn't terribly high. but each new installment sold more than the previous one until FF7. That's probably why you see that in that list in >>9714931, FF6 > FF5 > FF4 > FF3 > FF2 > FF1.
The only exception where sales don't reflect the order is likely VIII, but I guess the reasons are obvious, the game being a bit of a black sheep.

[Anonymous No.9715507]

>>9712728
Nobody forced you to take it up the ass. The gay bath house is only there if you want to experience it.

[Anonymous No.9715808]

>>9713465
The game was legit amazing in its presentation with a decent story, cool setting and great cast of characters from the party to the villains down to minor characters like the Shinra Manager. Plus great soundtrack and the right amout of flashiness and easy to understand gameplay. There wasn't really anything like it in 1997, even PC stuff couldn't really match it in that regard.

The ending portion of disc 1 after the Temple of the Ancients leading up to Aeris' death is incredibly well in how it's presented and I can't think of a lot of big story moments in vidya that come close to the level of genuine kino from it. The tension of Cloud struggling to stop himself from killing her, Sephiroth just casually doing it instead, her theme kicking in when the White Materia starts bouncing and continuing through the subsequent boss fight and ending scenes and the way the characters (especially Yuffie) react. For pure storytelling and presentation, very little in vidya matches the end of disc 1. Especially not Naughty Dog garbage or all other attempts at creating "cinematic experiences" through video games.

[Anonymous No.9715809]

>>9712728
Does baby need an open world game from the very start?

[Anonymous No.9715908]

>>9715481
>520k for FF1

Wikipedia numbers say 700k, so the truth is probably somewhere in between

However I doubt these numbers include the FF1+2 re-release which probably had a few hundred K to each title

>Castlevania sold 1 million on Famicom

Holy based, how did Konami manage to run this series into the ground so quickly?

[Anonymous No.9715929]

Has anyone defeated this bad boy without resorting to Knights of the Round cheese or 7777 easter egg cheese?

[Anonymous No.9715931]

>>9715908
>Wikipedia numbers say 700k
it says 600k, 700k is what it sold in the West. also, there's a quote:
>Initially, only 200,000 copies were to be shipped, but Sakaguchi pleaded with the company to make 400,000 to help spawn a sequel, and the management agreed,[11] then the original Famicom (NES) version successfully shipped 520,000 copies in Japan.
And yes, they later released 1&2 on a single cart, which further sold 60k. 520k could be an earlier figure, as time passes old games may add some minor sales numbers.
>Holy based, how did Konami manage to run this series into the ground so quickly?
To be fair, I think during Super Famicom era in Japan the 3rd party action games largely lost in popularity. Out of the top 20 best-selling SNES games, 10 were RPGs, and 7 were Nintendo 1st parties. This was the trend with the whole top 50. Arcade-style action games like Contra, Mega Man, shmups, etc. lost popularity and in general sold ok but weren't huge hits.

[Anonymous No.9715984]

>the older we get, the more of these zoomer-tier threads are gonna start popping up
Just end me now

[Anonymous No.9715992]

>>9715809
handholding and walled garden corridors are the hallmark of zoomer games

[Anonymous No.9715994]

Disc 1 feels like a bunch of mini game segments but it'll slow down on that later.

[Anonymous No.9715996]

>>9715929
>using a summon is cheesing
Isn't spamming summons the point of late game final fantasy?

[Anonymous No.9716068]

>>9715984
Just you wait for this board to open to 7th gen

[Anonymous No.9716105]

>>9716068
by that point I hope they just split the board in two, /retro-retro/ and /neo-retro/.

[Anonymous No.9716117]

>>9716105
Everybody's been on their knees for /y2k/ for years, it'll come one day

[Anonymous No.9716128]

>>9716068
It’s gonna be soon too. End of 2025, Xbox 360 turns 20 years old and I imagine soon after that mods will flip the switch and open the floodgates.
The suffering here will be unimaginable.
The only good thing about it will be a brief rerun of 2008 /v/ until it becomes flooded with newfags who are going to discuss Minecraft.

[Anonymous No.9716368]

>>9715984
>be 31yo
>dislike modern games because it's too much muh movielike experience with barely any gameplay, running through linear corridor and endless shitty QTEs
>only play retro games
>go to /vr/ because people there seem to have the same opinion
>eventually play FF7
>story, presentation and characters are amazing, but…
>it starts with too much muh movielike experience with barely any gameplay, running through linear corridors and endless minigames
>ask /vr/ if it gets better
>"OH NO NO ZOOM ZOOMS ARE AT IT AGAIN"
give me a break please. I'll confess though I'm biased against the game, I've never had PS and developed a bit of sour grapes complex about it through the years. I hate Sonyfags, it's like a form racism to me
also, I was figuring out what to play, I was choosing RPGs for gameplay first, my choices were
>Romancing SaGa 2
>Paper Mario
>Lunar
>Shining Force 2
>FF6
>FF5
>FF7
I eliminated the options 1 by 1 and realized I need to play FF7 sooner or later, but I was looking to play a very different kind of game.

[Anonymous No.9716371]

cloud gets raped in the hot tub lol

[Anonymous No.9717025]

>>9716368
>>be 31yo
>>eventually I decided to play FF fucking 7
ok, zoomie
go back to fortnite

[Anonymous No.9717110]

>>9716368
Honestly? Unless it's Tetris or Pong then it's basically a movie game.
Zoomers need not reply.