/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.962857]

Gradius or R-Type?

[Anonymous No.962867]

I prefer R Type. The music's better and the enemies and ship are better designed. I miss being able to customize the upgrade setup though.

[Anonymous No.962871]

R-Type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vmoj8xzqkk

[Anonymous No.962881]

>>962871
Every now and then I get this one stuck in my head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypA2yQqLZAM

[Anonymous No.962882]

Sala Mandala

[Anonymous No.962902]

>>962882
do these games still have that damn checkpoint system?

[Anonymous No.962910]

>mfw I learned what the title of R-Type was referencing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

[Anonymous No.962917]

>>962857
That is Gradius.

/thread

[Anonymous No.962925]

>>962910
But sir, you've linked to a lowercase "r" that must be lowercase to mean such. Why does R-Type have capital R?

[Anonymous No.963117]

R-Type. I can at least beat some of those. Gradius is just too fucking hard.

[Anonymous No.963140]

>>962882
Salamander 2 is so fucking good.

[Anonymous No.963143]

>>963117
I find Gradius is harder just because when you die you start from a checkpoint, and it's hard to be in the middle of a level with fuck all upgrades.

[Anonymous No.964526]

R-Type because it doesn't have tedious nonsense like this every single game.

[Anonymous No.964535]

Ooh, that's a tough choice. Both are fantastic and some of the best horizontal series ever created.

Gradius to me is a little bit more doable than R-Type.
At least, Gradius I, IV and V feel a whole lot more beatable than R-Type 1, 2, and Delta.

The R-Types collection on the PS1 is pretty great. Whenever I want to get my ass handed to me, I can pop in R-Type 2 and dream of getting past the second level.

And then if I want to send myself into a never-ending spiral of frustration, I will pop in the Gradius III and IV pack right afterward and relive the sheer hell that only bubbles can give.

[Anonymous No.965297]

>>964535
>First stage of Gradius III
>Oh god everything is coming at me from every direction, not even my ass is safe.
>How can it even get worse?
Then I got to stage two. How can you even MOVE.

[Anonymous No.965310]

Gradius.

[Anonymous No.965463]

>>962910
H101's article explains it.

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>>962857
Strike gunner STG / raiden trad > gradius/r type

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.965686]

Deathsmiles is the best hori ever.

[Anonymous No.965696]

>>964526
Gradius because it has claustrophobic parts like that.

Gradius 1, 2, and 5 were awesome at least. Didn't really like 3 and 4.

[Anonymous No.965805]

where does side arms fit in? i been playing the turbo grafx 16 version quite a bit lately, it's quite hard as one death usually results in chain deaths.

[Anonymous No.966256]

i like both

[Anonymous No.966269]

I've been wanting to play some R-Type, preferably without emulation. Any recommendations of where to start? I like shmups plenty, but the issue for me is that I have no clue where would be the easiest/cheapest way to get into the series.

[Anonymous No.966294]

>>966269
you can get Super R-Type for SNES for a couple dollars.

[Anonymous No.966301]

>>966269
IMO:

R-Type Final (PS2) should be able to be found and for cheap. But that game suffers from sparce intervals between shooting. This isn't a serious problem, but it's a fair complaint veteran shmup have.

R-Type Delta I hear it's either rare or expensive, but it is easily emulable (as is Final), it's generally considered the best. (I personally recomend this as your entry)

R-Type III should be available on VC or whatever Nintendo has it on. This game also rivals with Delta as being the best, only there's a tremendously hard level in the middle of the game that kinda brings it down.

R-Type 1&2 have a remake of sorts for XBLA. Didn't play it. Didn't hear anything wrong with it. I find them hard as whole. I mean, the entire game seems to rely on twitch reaction (plus the memorization that most require). While the other ones are hard at specific parts only.

Super R-Type, Like R-Type 3 should be available on the same places. I think this is remixed remake of 1&2 (on 16 bit, earlier than the XBLA version). But I'd say avoid it since it has deathly slowdown that kills you when it suddenly goes up to normal speed again.

[Anonymous No.966307]

Trick question
The right answer is Darius

[Anonymous No.966552]

>>962857
Salamander

[Anonymous No.966959]

>Not playing Delta in one of these

[Anonymous No.968661]

>>966301
>But I'd say avoid it since it has deathly slowdown that kills you when it suddenly goes up to normal speed again.
I agree, sometimes you steer to compensate due to the slow down, but then the game speeds back up and you ram into a wall or something because of it.

Has some good music though.

[Anonymous No.969161]

>>966307
hell yes

[Anonymous No.969249]

Why choose. I know I can't. Otherwise striker 1945

[Anonymous No.969269]

>>962857
>Not playing the superior Rayxanber
Okay

[Anonymous No.969297]

>>969269
Only III is worth shit, the rest are terrible.

[Anonymous No.969338]

Slayer on my 1200 ST was SUPERIOR!

[Anonymous No.969342]

>making me pick

Though in reality I would sooner go to Parodius.

Some opinions: Super R-Type is underrated, Nemesis on the Game Boy is very underrated.

[Anonymous No.969403]

>>969338
Europe. Ha!

[Kasperl No.970875]

I guess R-Type edges out past Gradius for me.

[Anonymous No.971025]

>>965297
Are you kidding? All you have to do is get all the upgrades in the first minute then you just hold down the fire button and don't run into anything for the first five or whatever levels.

R-Type is dramatically more interesting in every way. But I haven't played Gradius V and that's supposed to be pretty tops.

[Anonymous No.971084]

If I had to choose, Gradius.

But there's better out there.

[Anonymous No.971086]

>>962857
Make sure to try to arcade version of Gradius 3 if you haven't played it already. I don't mean the "arcade mode" that the SNES port has, but the actual arcade game. It's ridiculously hard. The difficulty of the SNES port was toned down so fucking much.

[Anonymous No.971118]

Gradius

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>>962925

Lowercase R resembles some kanji or some squiggly shit they write with

[Anonymous No.971143]

>>962925
>Round-Type, because of the shape
Look it up, it's actually true.

[Anonymous No.971145]

>>971129
Uppercase R looks like 尺

[Anonymous No.971163]

Nemesis

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>>962857
Both.

[Anonymous No.974631]

NOPE

[Anonymous No.974705]

>>974631

I swear, that fucking boss is more terrifying than anything from a survival horror game. I'll never forget the adrenaline rush I got when trying to evade those damned arms.

[Anonymous No.974765]

gradius
i'll never beat R-Type,
ever.

[Anonymous No.974768]

Sexy parodius

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[Anonymous No.976913]

Thunder Force

[Anonymous No.976971]

>>962857
Star Soldier

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>>962902
No, they're not in Salamander. However, the "purchase" style powerup system is also absent in lieu of individual powerups you pick up, also from orange enemies.

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[Anonymous No.979425]

...So is this a shmup general?

[Anonymous No.979472]

Stinger master race checking in

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[Anonymous No.983536]

Phalanx

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>>982002
Vic Viper is such a fucking cool ship. Cool name too.

[Anonymous No.983569]

I prefer Gradius honestly.
Never really understood why so many people prefer R-Type. It's good and all but Gradius is more fun to me.

[Anonymous No.983574]

>nemesis
>gradius
>salamander
>life force

What the fuck. Aren't half of these pretty much the same game?

[Anonymous No.984218]

>>983574
Nemesis is the GB version of Gradius, Salamander is a spin-off of Gradius and Life Force is another name for Salamander, so yeah.

[Anonymous No.984729]

>>983574
that's the joke

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>>983536
I still want to know who was the brilliant man who came up with that idea.

[Anonymous No.985437]

>>985207
We all do, anon. We all do.

[Anonymous No.986472]

>>985207
>>985437

I've found references to an interview in the Sept. 2001 issue of EGM with the ones responsible for the box art, but I haven't been able to find scans of the issue or relevant pages, or the names of the interviewee(s).

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[Anonymous No.989625]

R-Type has the better games, Delta and Final not withstanding.

[Anonymous No.989645]

>>962910
>>962925
It's nothing that complicated, here's a quote from an actual developer interview circa 1987 Gamest:
>--What is the origin of the "R-Type" title?

>R stands for "ray", as in ray of light. It comes from there being many different types of ray weapons in the game.

>>971143
That's just a convenient retcon by the people left at IREM who had nothing to do with the original series.

[Anonymous No.989684]

R-Type, because I cannot get past the second stage in Gradius 2.

[Anonymous No.989691]

>>962857
I STILL CAN'T BEAT THE FIRST FUCKING STAGE OF THE ARCADE VERSION.

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>>966301
Both Delta and R-Types are on PSN.

[Anonymous No.991046]

I really like the Bydo and wish we could get more info about them. Can't even remember the enemy's name in Gradius.

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[Anonymous No.992119]

>>989691
Arcade Gradius III is notoriously difficult. And not necessarily in a good way. A lot of its difficulty simply comes from sloppy design and glitches.

[Anonymous No.992126]

>>989645
>Gamest
Speaking of Gamest, I remember reading that they were involved with the development of Gradius III in the form of a reader-submitted idea contest. Might explain some of the more questionable design choices.

[Anonymous No.992298]

>>992119
What glitches?

>>992126
No, Gradius III is so hard because they wanted to make it a sort of ultimate send-off for the series (they figured it would be the last one) and the people who made the game also playtested their own levels and they didn't think it was that hard.

[Anonymous No.992309]

>>992298
>What glitches?
The walker in the last level's hitboxes being completely screwed up, for one thing. The green Moai miniboss can also have his hitboxes screw up and make you crash into thin air.

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>>992298
Actually my bad, it seems the totem moais were in fact based on the winning entry from a Gradius III idea submission contest they had in Gamest.

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>>992309
Hmm well I wouldn't really say those bugs contribute significantly to the difficulty of the game.

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>>991035
Same anon. That's nice.
I heard IREM was pulling them off.
And in fact, I went and check if R-Type was available on 3DS and apparently IREM pulled them...

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[Anonymous No.997205]

So, what is up with the music in Darius? I played Darius Gaiden.

Most shmups have like rock or techno as their soundtrack. I don't even know what to call this music.

On a Gradius related note, I like how Konami has turned all their shmup related IPs into this.

[Anonymous No.997506]

Zero Wing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icVy7Ve6y6A

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[Anonymous No.998769]

>>997205
Have you seen Darius II or Darius Twin?

>On a Gradius related note, I like how Konami has turned all their shmup related IPs into this.

I really can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I certainly hate Otomedius.

[Anonymous No.998776]

>>997205
Hisayoshi Ogura is the man. He always gave the Darius series weird, surreal soundtracks, whether it's the new-wave electronic synth jamming of Darius Gaiden, or the bizarre sampled instruments of the organic G-Darius soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.998781]

>>997205
I'd much rather play as a cute girl space ship than just a normal space ship.

[Anonymous No.998791]

Recca '92, mah nigga.

[Anonymous No.998793]

>>998769
Sarcastic.

I would like to know the reasoning behind it.

Like, did they feel whoring out their shmups was the only way to get people interested? Or were they under the impression that this is the sort of things that shmup fans want?

Or did they want to do something with Gradius, but didn't really want to put forth any effort, so they just slapped some tits on it?

It's pretty sad, whatever the reason.

>>998781
That's not even the reason why I hate Otomedius. It's just blatant fanservice. Like, in the character select, if you hover your cursor over the characters tits, they'll bounce around.

And then it doesn't have any substance to back it up. It's the laziest remake of Gradius ever. It actually plays worse than the original, and it looks worse than a Playstation game.

Oh, and the most recent one is like fifty fucking dollars retail. Or you can get the bonus edition for even more and get a fucking anime pillow and a CD filled with shitty anime music.

Also, some asshat from Cocktacu really liked the game.

[Anonymous No.998808]

>>998793
>Like, in the character select, if you hover your cursor over the characters tits, they'll bounce around.

It's good to have things like this in games. In Dead or Alive 5 for example you can shake the PS3 controller and it will make the characters' boobs bounce. It gives visual appeal and keeps things lighthearted.

[Anonymous No.998821]

>>998808

Well that's fine, but it's the fact that the characters look like they're 13 (and actually are around that age, if I recall some of the "story" correctly) that's a bit off putting.

And DoA actually has a solid, fun game behind it. Once you're done watching tits bounce around for awhile, you have a decent 3D fighting game to play.

With Otomedius, it's basically just watching tits bounce, and having to play a terrible version of Gradius in between that. Might as well just cut out the middle man and go watch some porn, then play a real Gradius game.

I'm fine with sex appeal in a game, so long as there's some actual substance to it. Otherwise it's basically just overpriced porn, only it's not porn.

With Otomedius, it's pretty clear they targeted this game towards the "otaku" types that probably don't even know what Gradius is. They just bought it because it has anime tits.

[Anonymous No.998823]

>>998793
I think it's a sort of bastardization ie "Gradius with tits" as they can market to a broader audience, like some of the young blood and anime fans.

[Anonymous No.998921]

>>998776
Ogura didn't really branch out into super experimental compositions until Gaiden to be honest. Here's some of his earlier stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQnKIpEc-No
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteidGHXV7U

[Anonymous No.998964]

>>998921
You forgot Olga Breeze!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45D4jyKqcPA

[Anonymous No.999127]

>>998791
Contemplating wether I buy it on eShop.
But from the emulator alone, this is too fast for 3DS's poor controls.

[Anonymous No.999271]

>>998921

Are ya kiddin' me? OGR himself describes Chaos from the original Darius as avant garde. His music was always totally different from the normal air headed chiptunes of the 80's.

[Anonymous No.999275]

parodius > r-type > gradius

[Anonymous No.999293]

>>998823
My first thought was to argue against the idea that "space shooter with anime tits" would appeal to a broader audience than just "space shooter", but the sad fact is that these days it's probably true.

[Anonymous No.999312]

>>999293
I dig it... I didn't mean to sound trite it's just that they have to put a certain angle on everything even if the gameplay is (largely) the same. Look what they did to Contra or Hard Corps whatever its called.

[Anonymous No.999505]

c'mon, it's Katakis and you all know it

[Anonymous No.999528]

>>966307
Mah nigga.

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[Anonymous No.1001063]

I like both games but I prefer R-Type.

[Anonymous No.1001312]

>>963143
Gradius becomes a bit easier if you learn the patterns of the enemy attacks
also,try to die when you have a powerup hold so you wont be a slug

[Anonymous No.1001332]

>>1001015
The MSX games always kick my ass (Saturn collection versions). I swear they were some kind of after-hours project that the devs did while getting high.

[Anonymous No.1001435]

>>999271
Agreed - his music always has a much different style to them if you listen to contemporaneous pieces.

Even the two examples posted, Daddy Mulk and Captain Neo, are pretty distinct for their time period (Mulk being one of the first songs to use speech-synthesis as an instrument). He was the master of giving games atmosphere.

>>999293
I really doubt that it would sell more - I'm pretty convinced that route is one of diminishing returns. I think the problems have more to do with gameplay style, aesthetics, pricing, etc. But that's my theory.

>>must AllSony
my computer is trying to tell me something, I just know it..

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[Anonymous No.1003529]

No one's mentioned R-Type Leo? This is the only one you can emulate properly with no vsync since it's a 60 Hz 320x240. Going to fire it up on the Trinitron later over component.

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>>1003529
I thought as much, looks incredible on my Cornerstone. Also one of the few low-res games that actually fills my screen properly, many don't for some reason.

[Anonymous No.1007058]

>>1007046
Fuck that guy.

[Anonymous No.1007073]

gentlemen

[Anonymous No.1007696]

>>994114
>I heard IREM was pulling them off.

Why would they do that?

[Anonymous No.1007820]

>>994114
>>1007696

I thought Irem had already pulled everything, everyone who was interested in making games at Irem left and went to Granzella, who sadly hasn't made anything yet except weird Playstation Home things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jtvfoq0Bo

[Anonymous No.1007862]

>>1007820
Speaking of Playstation Home things. I want a new full R-Type game like that mini-game in Home.

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>>1007073
Is that Aleste?

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>>966307
I immediately Ctrl-F to see if anyone posted this. And an amazing pic to boost! You made my day good sir

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>>1007871
nope,its Space Megaforce

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>>1008224
ohyou.png

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[Anonymous No.1008868]

I've always been a Raiden person, myself.

[Anonymous No.1008881]

>>1006267

The title of this game pisses me off.

Never mind arbitrarily changing the title of a game in a series, they couldn't even fucking spelling Lightning right.

[Anonymous No.1009114]

>>1007696
>>1007820
Last I heard, JP's 2011 earthquake might've left them in a pinch or whatever.
Then again I don't really keep up with these news unless someone else posts them. IDK if IREM is still a thing given they seem to focus on those slot machine software.

[Anonymous No.1009174]

>>1007056
The reasons behind this are simple and complicated. It is possible to solve all your problems but you need a low resolution monitor to do it...one that handles sub VGA resolutions. Old computer monitor, pro editing monitor, regular Tv with the right inputs or converters, or an arcade monitor.

But you also need to send the right signal. A Wii can send the signal. But R Type runs at 55 fps and programmers haven't gotten it to do vatiable sync. So it speeds up to 60. A PC with custom drivers solves this.

[Anonymous No.1009324]

>>1007820
It's nice people care about the ones who worked at modern, crappy IREM, but everyone who was interested in making games at IREM already left long, long ago for Nazca Corporation. Then what was left at that empty husk just sat on some IPs for a while before hiring new people. The employees you're referring to had nothing at all to do with IREM when it was one of the greatest Retro companies.

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>>1011275
I want that hat.

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>>965805
Side Arms is mediocre at best, sorry.

[Anonymous No.1012526]

>Einhander isnt mentioned ITT
at least you mentioned darius

also,/r/ing that recommended SHUMPS pic please

[Anonymous No.1012873]

Sadly this game isn't get mentioned.
Not gonna complaint because it isn't related ITT.
BUT, aside from how sadictic the difficulty is, this is a really good game.

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>>1012873
Played View Point for the first time this year, on a 6-in-1 Neo Geo cabinet on the Game On expo. Loved the look of it but couldn't tell if the gameplay was towards the easy or sadistic side. Now I want to play it on Kawaks

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thunderforce > *

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>>1012873
Requesting this as well. Better have Batsugun and Soukyugurentai on it.

[Anonymous No.1021884]

R-Type has better music but Gradius has better weapons.

[Anonymous No.1021890]

Dragon Spirit

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[Anonymous No.1030287]

R TYPE for the hardcore motherfucker cause i still cant beat it

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>>962857
OP.
I am somewhat amused to see the Youtube screenshot of my vid used in as the top of a thread on 4chan. Just thought I'd say.

On topic: I always liked Gradius series better than Rtype.

[Anonymous No.1034013]

R-Type's got more character.

The bydo are cooler, and better designed

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[Anonymous No.1038962]

>>971118
GOD.
FUCKING.
DAMNIT.

[Anonymous No.1038964]

Which Darius should I play?

I presume they're all pretty good games, so I want the best looking one.

[Anonymous No.1039307]

>>1038964
Darius Gaiden and G-Darius are the two best Darius games.

The SNES entries aren't really worth the time, Sagaia on the Genesis is a bit too basic, and the GBA Darius-R is complete shit. While I like Darius II in some respects, you're best off with Gaiden and G-Darius.

Darius Gaiden is fairly easy to emulate, and is available on several platforms.
G-Darius is on the PS1 (lots of slowdown; avoid it), the PS2 (great port in Taito Legends 2 collection), and Windows 95 (don't know anything about it). The PS2 port would be your way to go, since it also has several other worthwhile Taito shooters, like RayStorm, Metal Black, and indeed, Darius Gaiden.

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>>1039307
I think Darius II should be in the best Darius games.

As long as you play the 2 screen version in MAME, with autofire turned all the way up in the dip switch settings, it's a fun game.

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>>1040268
I think the two-screen version still obscures too much - you have to go all-three or nothing. At least when you play it in MAME, you can see everything. In the saturn port, it's hard to see the dot-bullets, and this is especially a pain in the ass on the Venus stage E, where it's orange bullets on an orange background.

I like Darius II a lot, but Darius Gaiden and G-Darius are what I'd recommend without hesitation.

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>>1009114
A bit late, but what happened was their next major release (For the year) was meant to be the next game in the disaster report series, but the tsunami happened, and they decided they couldn't release it without offending a bunch of people (Even though people stated those games taught people certain survival techniques because at least the info shown in the games for what you should do in a crisis are based off real world things)
But with that game canceled just a few weeks from release, pretty much all the developers left to form Granzella, and Irem went full-time into Pachinko/Slots business.

[Anonymous No.1040959]

my favourite gradius game

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>>1040959
this is just like all those fan-fic cards, but its real

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[Anonymous No.1045059]

i've just bought a japanese Gradius 3...it have the cartridge melted so it can pass the stupid block of the american console...it's really a survivor

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>>1038962
is something the matter?

[Anonymous No.1045210]

what's /vr/'s opinion on hellfire?

[Anonymous No.1045847]

>>1045210

Underrated masterpiece. It's Thunder Force done right.

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>>1045847
what did you just say about my thunder force, bish

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>>1045059
Cripes. It's easier to snip off the plastic tabs in the system than to do that.

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>>962857

[Anonymous No.1052662]

A disscussion between the two gods of horizontal shump. So classy.

I love both, but I prefer Gradius just because I grew up with the NES version.

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>>1048735
The ending to Thunder Force V was fucking insane.

[Anonymous No.1052705]

>no love for Raiden
damn that was a good game

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