/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9621117]

This game fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.9621118]

Nah, you do

[Anonymous No.9621134]

>>9621118
Confirmed. OP sucks.

[Anonymous No.9621216]

>>9621117
Is this the most epic matchup in the history of video games?

[Anonymous No.9621219]

>>9621216
This literally happened in FF7 before, dummy

[Anonymous No.9621227]

>>9621219
Never claimed otherwise, you sound desperate for approval.

[Anonymous No.9621241]

>>9621227
You sound dumb

[Anonymous No.9621256]

>>9621241
Like I said, you just need to feel validated. Seek it elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.9621265]

no

[Anonymous No.9621273]

>>9621216
no

[Anonymous No.9621274]

>>9621117
I think this is the best PS1 fighting. It certainly has the best roster.

[Anonymous No.9621284]

>>9621256

[Anonymous No.9621285]

>>9621274
You'd rather play this than Tekken 3. Let that sink in for a few hours.

[Anonymous No.9621287]

>>9621284
>Uhm ackshtualley did u guise know that Cloud and Sephirosu are from the game Final Faggotry Seven?
Seriously, my dude?

[Anonymous No.9621296]

>>9621287
You are replying to a different dude. But I agree, you sound dumb. Like reddit-tier dumb.

[Anonymous No.9621314]

>>9621117
What was the point of this game having a doggo but no Red XIII alt?

[Anonymous No.9621325]

>>9621274
I like the roster and the look of this game but running around gameplay is annoying. Why didn't they make it like Tobal instead?

[Anonymous No.9621327]

The Yo Yo girl deserved another appearance, not sure about the others

[Anonymous No.9621414]

>>9621296
This never, ever works.

[Anonymous No.9621417]

>>9621285
I’d rather play this than Tekken 3 in 2023.
2D plane fighting games are a dime a dozen. 360° fighters are far rarer.
I also had this game when it was new for muh cloud muh tifa and loved it.

[Anonymous No.9621424]

>>9621117
I tried this game the other night and it's definitely different... But I appreciate that in a way. It's not like every other fighting game out there.
But it is hard putting together good combos. Does this game have deep combat?

[Anonymous No.9621446]

>>9621216

Did Sephiroth... do this?

[Anonymous No.9621467]

>>9621417
Nah, DreamFactory nailed fighting system in Tobal 2. Ehrgeiz was a step in the wrong direction with less flow and depth.

[Anonymous No.9621483]

>>9621417
>2D plane fighting games
>Tekken 3

[Anonymous No.9621491]

>>9621483
>triggered by an obvious bait

[Anonymous No.9621497]

>>9621467
Tonal 2 has shittier characters though and it never came out here so how would I have possibly played it?
>>9621483
You are always fighting on a 2D plane in Tekken. You can rotate the 2D plane but it is always a 2D plane range of motion.
Power Stone/Ehgreiz you can freely run around the level without facing the character.

[Anonymous No.9621536]

>>9621497
>You are always fighting on a 2D plane in Tekken. You can rotate the 2D plane but it is always a 2D plane range of motion.
What do you even mean by this? You literally can step around your opponent and do side and back throws. Or different holds on a lying opponent depending on your position around him. Furthermore the hurtboxes and collisions are 3D and during replays you may often see how some strikes miss on a horizontal plane if the character models do not connect which is not possible with 2D games.

[Anonymous No.9621540]

>>9621117
smash brutally mogs this game

[Anonymous No.9621573]

>>9621414
your mom never ever works

[Anonymous No.9621578]

>>9621536
In Ehgreiz, you have a full range of motion, the camera is not snapped to the side profiles of the characters on a 2D plane. There is nothing snapping you into place when you move around in Ehgreiz.

If you’re really trying to make the argument that these games are the same thing you’re arguing for the sake of arguing because they are completely different experiences.

[Anonymous No.9621606]

>>9621578
Camera movement doesn't make a game 2D or 3D. By your logic, Soulcalibur and VF3 with its uneven ground are also 2D.

[Anonymous No.9621636]

>>9621606
Listen to me. In 3D fighting games, even the newest ones, you are snapped to a plane. You can rotate around it, but you are always facing each other on a line with the chance to strike while rotating to a new line.
In Ehgreiz and Power Stone, you have full freedom of movement and the camera pulls up and back to account for this. It’s an arena you can freely move around in, and the characters do not snap to a plane or snap to face each other. You have total freedom of movement akin to a wrestling game.
Can you not understand this or do you just need to feel correct?
I didn’t even say “Tekken bad”, I said I rather play this today than Tekken because they simply do not make games like Ehgreiz or Power Stone anymore and haven’t in a looong time.
Now stop being a faggot.

[Anonymous No.9621642]

>>9621578
Dude, Ehrgeiz doesn't have 360 movement, only 8-way movement. And the camera doesn't rotate around the arena, just zooms and tilts slightly. This is more like top down games and is even less 3D than proper 3D fighters with 360 degrees of characters and camera movement like VF3 or Tekken 3.

[Anonymous No.9621653]

>>9621636
Your describing the games accurately but it has nothing to do with "planes."

[Anonymous No.9621660]

>>9621642
You are the most insufferable, boneheaded, gotta-be-right faggot who has ever fucking lived.

Okay you’re right guy. Tekken and Ehrgeiz play exactly the same. Both games have the same freedom of movement because they are both in 3D. You’re VERY smart and VERY correct.

[Anonymous No.9621665]

>>9621653
I’m sure there is a better word but that’s what I used. Field maybe?

[Anonymous No.9621671]

>>9621642
This exactly
>>9621636
>you are always facing each other on a line with the chance to strike while rotating to a new line.
This is just the controls being relative to camera. Google how hurtboxes in Tekken work and move in 3D space and compare it to something like Street Fighter

[Anonymous No.9621680]

>>9621660
Dude I literally just said that they play differently and have different freedom of movement. Don't be mad.

[Anonymous No.9621690]

>>9621671
You guys are unbelievable. I know how “hitboxes” work in a 3D game. I can’t not explain it you guys any better, so you know what?
You’re right. Both games play basically exactly the same.
I’m done having this argument with fat fucking autists who truly feel it is necessary to say these two things are the same.

[Anonymous No.9621695]

>>9621690
I cannot*
Phonefag autocorrect.

[Anonymous No.9621708]

>>9621690
Sorry, but you've made a strawman argument because nobody here say that they are the same. It's been said time and time again that these are very different. You could just say that you prefer 8-way movement around the arena without resorting to 2D vs 3D argument.

[Anonymous No.9621715]

>>9621690
Even if two characters face each other and are on the same "plane" as you describe it, their hitboxes still move in 3D space which is not how 2D fighting games work. Also relax, Ehrgeiz is cool, nothing to be mad about.

[Anonymous No.9621716]

>>9621117
Play the dungeon crawling side game instead

[Anonymous No.9621718]

>>9621708
Characters are always facing each other on a line. That is impeded movement on a single plane/field you can rotate in real time. What I said is true.
You have a full range of motion in Ehgreiz including vertical, like a platformer, you do not in Tekken.
If you drop a pin, I’ll punch you in your glasses harder than King you shit eating faggot.

[Anonymous No.9621732]

>>9621718
>you do not in Tekken
You do, you dumb fuck. It is called crouching and jumping attacks.

[Anonymous No.9621737]

>>9621732
Characters are facing the directions they choose.
One character is on a higher plane while the other one must jump to it in order to attack him.
They are freely moving around an arena with a full range of motion, including being able to ascend and descend a stage vertically without the game forcing the characters to face each-other on a line.
Go fuck yourself you stupid wrong faggot.

[Anonymous No.9621738]

>>9621718
KWAB.
>malding nigga
>doesn't know how 2D plane works

[Anonymous No.9621746]

>>9621117
Sucks monkey fuck

[Anonymous No.9621754]

>>9621737
>They are freely moving around an arena with a full range of motion, including being able to ascend and descend a stage vertically without the game forcing the characters to face each-other on a line.

[Anonymous No.9621757]

>>9621754
Yes, this game offers a better range of motion than Tekken. Thanks for the selfie of you pointing that out.

[Anonymous No.9621772]

>>9621665
the word is sneed. In Tekken you can't sneed, while in Ehrgeiz you can sneed. You can also feed & seed. (formerly chuck's)

[Anonymous No.9621775]

>>9621757
>That comeback attempt

[Anonymous No.9621784]

>>9621775
>owned by his own low effort meme

[Anonymous No.9621786]

>>9621784
Nah, you are

[Anonymous No.9621792]

>>9621737
>Characters are facing the directions they choose.
>One character is on a higher plane while the other one must jump to it in order to attack him.
>They are freely moving around an arena with a full range of motion, including being able to ascend and descend a stage vertically without the game forcing the characters to face each-other on a line.
Sounds like most of the top down 2D games.

[Anonymous No.9622124]

>>9621273
If only Nintendo created Skullgirls

[Anonymous No.9622135]

>>9621737
>without the game forcing the characters to face each-other on a line.
Lmao no, the characters in Ehrgeiz auto rotate towards each other once any attack button is pressed. Just like every other fighting game. You are arguing about a game that you haven't even played, weirdo.

[Anonymous No.9622190]

Ehrgeiz is basically Power Stone but with shitty controls and a jank combo system

[Anonymous No.9622201]

>>9622190
>shitty controls and a jank combo system
Elaborate. Last time I played they were fine.

[Anonymous No.9622332]

I once heard someone compare Ehrgeiz to a wrestling game, and honestly I can kinda see it I think you can even bounce/leap off of walls.

[Anonymous No.9622346]

>>9622332
The only difference is that it uses a standard fighting game lifebar instead of a stamina meter. Ehrgeiz would be perfect if not for some boneheaded mechanical decisions that make the game feel jankier than it needs to. Cloud and Sephiroth putting their swords away after falling is really dumb and Tifa's fireball is way too good.

[Anonymous No.9622378]

>>9621117
ehrgiez sucks until you learn how to play and fight against someone else.
the throw system is insane as you can reverse throws and you both just keep teching/reversing.
the game has frcs like guilty gear where you can do secret special moves and extend combo strings based on strict timing.
standing normals can be parried with interrupt.
weapon attacks can be caught with a separate button, so weapon strings are mostly useless, even supers like omnislash.
there's directional dodging.
wall attacks.
its almost like a technical wrestling game meets smash.

[Anonymous No.9622380]

>>9621636
>you are always facing each other on a line
Roughly nothing that occurs in this webm would have happened if that were true.

[Anonymous No.9622473]

>>9622380
All of the characters automatically turn towards each other and this webm proved nothing.
They snap right back into a line and start to face each other every time they are knocked down, making it categorically different than the movement in Ehgreizz

[Anonymous No.9622508]

>>9622473
They try to face each other, but that doesn't make it functionally 2D any more than an over the shoulder target lock.

[Anonymous No.9622547]

i didn't realize you guys were having a tard argument.
soul calibur and tekken are 3d fighters but they're not full 3d.
full 3d fighters are called arena fighters.

[Anonymous No.9622849]

>>9622508
See
>>9622547
It’s rendered in 3D on a 3D playing field, yes.
It does not allow you to roam freely because your characters are always locking themselves to a line with the opponent. It functionally is recreating the street fighter foundation for a fighting game with the advantages of 3D, which is why I used the term “2D plane” even though that’s probably a poor choice of words.

[Anonymous No.9622927]

>>9622547
This.

Arena fighters like Powerstone, Ehrgeiz, Destrega etc are all their own category separate from "3D" fighters like VF thanks to their free movement, and very obviously different since that specific style never caught on to the mainstream.

[Anonymous No.9622991]

>>9621285
Yeah cuz Tekken 3 sucks. Ehrgeiz at least has dungeon mode and mini games for when you get tired of the regular mode

[Anonymous No.9622994]

>>9622378
The graphics in this game are fantastic, look at that goddamn crowd

[Anonymous No.9623007]

>>9622994
thats the arcade version

[Anonymous No.9623158]

>>9622473
In Dead or Alive, you can face towards or away from opponents and your characters have different movesets depending on which way they're facing.
Is DOA an Ehrgeiz-'em-up by the standards of your dumb, pointless, semantic standards?

[Anonymous No.9623315]

>>9621256
I will validate that anon.

Consider yourself validated.

[Anonymous No.9623324]

>>9621314
Licensing issues.

[Anonymous No.9623346]

>>9621117
yeah my brother had this game. couldnt get into it. was big into tekken which is obviously a much better fighter. i also remember the weird dungeon mode. dont think i got very far in it. never heard the story of how this game came into being. always thought it was strange.

[Anonymous No.9623392]

>>9621117
Cool

[Anonymous No.9623395]

>>9621117
Tekken is gay bro

[Anonymous No.9623408]

>>9622124
Before Shit Bros, we did have an answer to Street Fighter II.
But the creator was a retard and didn't sign his goddamn contract to Nintendo first, so they forgot about it since and let the SNKuck, who hates designing traditional fighting games, take over Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.9623414]

>>9622380
Lol, Ivy's butt looks funny.

[Anonymous No.9623838]

>>9622473
>>9622849
The fuck are you even talking about? Ehrgeiz characters always auto turn and snap into the line too if you press any attack button.

[Anonymous No.9623850]

>>9622378
>crowd
couldn't i was looking at tifas chest


OK SO ARE YOU PRESSING 'GUARD'? to do that? i have the pcb but i think i need a kick-harness to activate that pose

[Anonymous No.9624074]

>>9622378
Arcade version looks so cool. Square really dropped the ball with PS1 version. Should had let Namco port it to Dreamcast, like Soulcalibur.

[Anonymous No.9624092]

>>9622201
>implying anyone who uses "jank" wants to seriously discus anything

[Anonymous No.9624129]

>>9624074
in all fairness MANY of the ps1 era arcade ports were worse on the ps1

they play\look fine - its just the last generation where arcade hardware was still winning

[Anonymous No.9624174]

>>9624129
I mean Namco System 12 games specifically. Tekken 3 port looks excellent because polygonal backgrounds from the arcade version are not essential for the gameplay and overall look. In Ehrgeiz case, there is not much that you can cut from the game without affecting the gameplay, so Square decided to drop goruaud shading entirely which negatively affected the look of the game. At least they could prebake some shading into textures like what Sega did with Saturn VF2 port.
Namco themselves decided to not fuck with Soulcalibur and ported it to a more powerful hardware.

[Anonymous No.9624597]

>>9621737
>gorilla nigger tries to larp a game he has never played
Go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.9624602]

>>9624074
>arcade version
i swear every day i come to this board i encounter another game ive known about for 25 years but never knew it was in arcades.

[Anonymous No.9624608]

>>9624597
I owned this game before you were born faggot.

[Anonymous No.9624612]

>>9624602
I played the arcade version so much I use arcade controls on the home version.

There are interestingly a lot of prototype versions of characters that went unused in this game.

Some changed over time even. It's also interesting to note there are a small amount of tobal leftovers in the game.

>>9624608
Yeah right faglord, you probably rented it from blockbuster once and thought that was enough.

[Anonymous No.9624618]

>>9624612
You’re just being a faggot like your dads for the fuck of it, everything I said about the game is true.

[Anonymous No.9624647]

>>9624618
ok esl coper

[Anonymous No.9624687]

>>9624612
I would totally read a good article on Ehrgeiz development

[Anonymous No.9624734]

>>9623850
you have the pcb but cant press guard? huh???

[Anonymous No.9624741]

>>9624734
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick_harness

[Anonymous No.9624781]

>>9624734
iirc arcade buttons are LHS P1(start)
G

[Anonymous No.9624791]

>>9624687
Here is a some very old footage from an early version of the game before they updated it based on player location feedback.

https://youtu.be/GOD46AdYu1A?t=1450
Very interesting that tifa ended up getting some leftovers from rio (who is referenced in some of the rankings screens as an unplayable character)

[Anonymous No.9624985]

>>9624791
Cool. Thanks, anon

[Anonymous No.9624994]

>>9621118
That's all the evidence I need.
Sucks to be you OP.

[Anonymous No.9625123]

>>9623158
Ehgreiz is literally a different subgenre of fighter, keep drinking semen.

[Anonymous No.9625363]

>>9624791
What was the feedback? "This needs some FFVII?"

[Anonymous No.9625380]

>>9625363
No, it was likely designs and stuff since godhand's design definitely changed and probably adding a meter system

[Anonymous No.9625908]

ASHASHASHASHASHASHA

[Anonymous No.9626507]

>>9621117
I did not care for it much, either.

[Anonymous No.9627987]

>>9621117
5th gen was peak 3d fighters

[Anonymous No.9627995]

>>9625908
kek
>>9626507
>>9621117
>ps1 port
found the problem sir

[Anonymous No.9628149]

>>9627995
>found the problem sir
Does it play different from the arcade version?

[Anonymous No.9629507]

>>9628149
YES


ps1 graphics suck

[Anonymous No.9629982]

>>9622380
Not that anon, but this webm clearly indicates that the characters are not "free-range" and the game is coding that they always return to perpendicular camera line placement while facing each other.

Unlike, for example, WCW vs. NWO.

[Anonymous No.9630058]

>>9629982
It doesn't but whatever I'm not that concerned with the opinion of someone that doesn't play video games. Characters don't turn unless they attack or guard an incoming attack, they only sidestep in a circle with raw y-axis inputs instead of spinning the joystick because they step in or out of the screen and the camera aligns itself to be perpendicular to the characters, but you can 8WR anywhere on the stage if you want. It's like saying a driving game isn't 3D because you steer based on the direction of the car.

[Anonymous No.9630134]

>>9629507
I said "play", not "look", anon

[Anonymous No.9630174]

I bought this game for the Final Fantasy characters, but spent almost all my time in Quest mode.
It's fucking awesome, why don't fighting games have more single player adventures like that?

[Anonymous No.9630185]

>>9622378
>playstation fucking ONE
>crowd looks great
>PS3 AND BEYOND
>crowd is LITERALLY just static fucking jpegs
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
THE FUTURE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET BETTER NOT FUCKING WORSE

[Anonymous No.9630250]

>>9630185
while i agree and understand your concerns

one problem
thats the arcade version

[Anonymous No.9630254]

>>9630134
i will not play the shittier\uglier version for no reason

also most ps1 owners dont have arcade sticks

[Anonymous No.9630275]

>>9630254
For what it's worth you can play PSX games on PS3 with a PS3 arcade stick, and Ergheiz is a 480i game like Tekken 3 and Dynasty Warriors.

[Anonymous No.9630282]

>>9630275
i had mixed results with hdmi output on my ps3
i like the idea of having backwards compatibility
but literally NO ONE is arguing that its a direct replacement for original hardware

plus my ps3fat might die any day
wasting its potential to play an inferior ps1 version of an arcade game is not how i want it to die anonkun

[Anonymous No.9630795]

>>9621274
square enixism is a serious illness

[Anonymous No.9630806]

>>9630254
I asked if arcade version plays better, I didn't ask for your opinion on other aspects. You seem to know shit about your games other than how they look.

[Anonymous No.9630835]

>>9622378
Look at her titties jiggle

[Anonymous No.9630942]

>>9623346
It was a weird mishmash. I like the dungeon mode. Felt really unique at the time.

[Anonymous No.9631173]

>>9630806
strange dungeon master title tacked on for filler

more (even less playtested) characters slapped in

cloud and tifa were not playable in the arcade until the machine has been running for hundreds of hours


if you buy a PCB & reset it
It would take hundreds of days to unlock tifa even if you slept with it on overnight every night

[Anonymous No.9631181]

>>9630185
That's not the PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.9631193]

>>9631173
Time release characters in arcade games were kino.
>be 10 yr old me
>tekken 3 machine appears in a small game zone near my school
>play it every day
>every two or so weeks a new character is added to the roster after a week of a "coming soon" teaser
The hype among me and my friends was just unreal.

[Anonymous No.9631210]

>>9630185
>>9630250
>>9631181
Heh.

[Anonymous No.9631243]

>>9630174
Ehrgeiz's 3D kinda-wrestling gameplay certainly helped provide a base, but there are some that exist (Street Fighter's World Tour and the Soul Calibur games are a more abstract case, the Tobal games were made by Dreamfactory like Ehrgeiz, the 2000s Mortal Kombat games etc)
These days, fighting games usually go straight to console, meaning no base to add on to (though this isn't always true). Between that, the focus on multiplayer and the rising production costs and single-player modes have generally been less priority.

[Anonymous No.9631421]

>>9631193
in 2023 its a nightmare now though
you are not gonna leave your pcb on for that many hours anon

if the battery dies you lose your board settings

[Anonymous No.9631645]

soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyffjdiX60U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qagDItoUWVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu0AMpc96g0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLybu-vYEWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuRXblOIa1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LvUW0Nfj-s

[Anonymous No.9631862]

>>9631173
This doesn't say anything about gameplay differences between arcade and ps1 versions, i.e. input lag, glitches, different timings, broken combos etc, which are more important that superficial stuff that you have listed. As I said, you don't know the game.

[Anonymous No.9632005]

Kinda surprised no one posted the menu sfx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr4xwvch1hc

[Anonymous No.9633839]

Bump

[Anonymous No.9633847]

I don't understand how some weird shit like Psychic Force 2012 was the most popular arcade fighting game in 1998 in Japan while Ehrgeiz wasn't even in top 10.

[Anonymous No.9633860]

>>9631210
How?

[Anonymous No.9634243]

>>9621497
>You are always fighting on a 2D plane in Tekken. You can rotate the 2D plane but it is always a 2D plane range of motion.
I've read the whole argument spawned by this remark and I understood what you're saying but you explained it so poorly that you made yourself completely indefensible.