/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9616392]

Do you guys consider RE4 a masterpiece?

[Anonymous No.9616397]

>>9616392
no, enemies werent scary.
round housing enemies is REALLY not scary
Cheesy as fuck

[Anonymous No.9616412]

>>9616392
The entire forest part during the day, absolutely. Everything else, no, and it's getting worse and worse as the game goes on

Shame the remake will ruin exactly that forest section and changes the whole tone

[Anonymous No.9616415]

>>9616392
I've played it once a year on my gc copy since it release. So yes, I do consider it so.

[Anonymous No.9616419]

>>9616397
>no, enemies werent scary.
I actually found them very scary the first ~30 minutes. Insane third worlders are more realistic than lul zombies and they're immediately dangerous (until you figure out all the mechanics and their weaknesses)

[Anonymous No.9617047]

>9/10
RE2, RE3
>8/10
RE1
>7/10
RE4
>6/10
RE:CV
RE Dead Aim
>5/10
REmake
RE Survivor
>4/10
RE Survivor 2
>3/10
RE Zero

[Anonymous No.9617109]

No game that has a number in front of it's title can ever be considered a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.9617324]

>>9617109
>what is the entire FF and Kingdom Hearts franchise

[Anonymous No.9617347]

>>9616392
Yeah. It's at least a top 10, maybe top 5 of all-time. It's just so damn replayable. It really needs a level editor/randomizer to make it GOAT.

[Anonymous No.9617517]

>>9616392
Yes, it has simply perfect pacing.

[Anonymous No.9617559]

I do until I reach the island then it drops down to an 8/10 for a little while

[Anonymous No.9617647]

>>9616392
Yes. It's lightning in a bottle. The humor is iconic, the game progression is perfect, the horror is flawlessly blended with cheeseball action, Leon Kennedy is a classic action hero on par with Bruce Willis from Die Hard, and the game never stops being fun from the moment you kill your first enemy.

When it came out, it garnered instant and universal praise. In 2005, Leon Kennedy was among the most popular male nerd Halloween costumes (my friend made one as well). Everybody loved it. Everybody except for autistic troglodytes who are still buttmad TO THIS DAY that it wasn't exactly like the previous games, and transitioned Resident Evil into a new era. They hate it because it's better than RE1-3, and they know it. That's why they lash out with such vitriol. They're holding onto something inferior but they're too cowardly to embrace change.

[Anonymous No.9617652]

>>9616419

Spain isn't third world

[Anonymous No.9617659]

>>9617652
Debatable.

[Anonymous No.9617670]

>>9616397
How about suplexing some dude and suddenly his head explodes?

[Anonymous No.9617671]

>>9617324
>Kingdom Hearts is a masterpiece
You need to leave.

[Anonymous No.9617684]

>>9616392
No. It destroyed everything RE stood for by turning into a dumb third person shooter.

[Anonymous No.9617725]

>>9617684
I guess you guys should have bought more copies CV, REmake, and 0 if you wanted more games like that.

[Anonymous No.9617728]

>>9617684

[Anonymous No.9617780]

>>9616392
Yes, as an action game. No as a RE game, it's a great action game though.

[Anonymous No.9617783]

>>9617684
RE3 destroyed your precious resident evil games

[Anonymous No.9617797]

>>9617684
never thought about it like that before, makes me wish i could experience re1 and 2 for the first time again so comfy

[Anonymous No.9617804]

>>9617324
>Kingdom Hearts
Found the faggot.

[Anonymous No.9617812]

>friend of mine had Resident evil
>played it at his parents' sometimes, okay game
>buy Resident evil 2
>it's shit, don't bother to finish it
>buy Resident evil 4
>it's shit, don't bother to finish it
>be gifted Resident evil 0
>it's shit, don't bother to finish it
I'll never understand the appeal of that franchise. At least the first one tried to be scary. The others are just mediocre action/backtracking games.

[Anonymous No.9617823]

>>9616392
The earlier games were mostly running from enemies and backtracking. The awkward camera angles and bad controls helped contribute to the dread, as if you the player are nearly helpless to defend your character.
RE4 mostly eliminates the artificial difficulty and even showers you in resources. The developers want you to have fun and that’s what it is.
You can’t discredit the spooky moments either, this is still a survival horror game. Just not the kind that will make you feel helpless.

[Anonymous No.9617937]

>>9616392
played it for the first time recently and it holds up incredibly well, i think it might be the best TPS i've ever played

i feel kinda bad for classic RE fans since you don't get games like that anymore and they do look and feel pretty different from RE4 and their remakes, i think its really stupid that capcom only offers the remakes of the older games on modern consoles and they don't offer the originals which are basically comepletely different games

[Anonymous No.9617951]

>>9616392
Completely and absolutely. One of the pinnacles of videogaming. One of the best games in history

[Anonymous No.9618040]

I consider it a piece of SHIT that ruined RE. Where are the zombies? Where is Umbrella? Where is the inventory management? Where are the cinematic fixed camera angles? It's barely a RE game, more likely just got reskinned for franchise points once they realized how awful it was and wouldn't sell as whatever new IP they started it as.

[Anonymous No.9618925]

>>9616392
Yes, I do. Hardcore classic RE fan, but I do not consider re4 a continuation of those. Instead, I would say re4 is a masterpiece because it is the videogame equivalent to something like Big Trouble in Little China. The "movie games" we have nowadays are pointless slogs that are the opposite of fun, but re4 encapsulates the fun and thrill of a really good, cheesy action movie, complete with memorable one-liners and memorable bad guys. It makes you feel like you're participating in that kind of movie, rather than watching one. A triumph in every sense of the word, I love it.

[Anonymous No.9618940]

>>9617684
you WILL have QTEs and evil renaissance dwarfs in your Resident Evil and you will like it

[Anonymous No.9619012]

>>9616392
No, but it was fun

[Anonymous No.9619141]

>>9616392
Better try and old trick 'cause that one's getting old.

[Anonymous No.9619268]

>>9617823
>bad controls
opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.9619271]

>>9616392
Yes. It's literally perfect. /thread

[Anonymous No.9619398]

>>9616392
Basically, yes.

>>9616397
Blowing up a Hunter with a 40mm grenade before he has a chance to get anywhere close to you isn't very scary either. At least the Regenerador is oppressive, usually fought in varying degrees of confined spaces, and forces you to either expend a large amount of resources, move and act quickly, or hurriedly change to another tactic which is more slow and finicky than normal shooting, all as he closes in.
You also have stuff like the exposed parasites from the cultists and Armaduras being able to bite your head off, or Dr. Salvador taking it off with his saw. Generally not too hard to avoid, but it's an immediate pressure to deal with, especially with other things going on, as well as the time you have to keep the enemy off of Ashley. The Verdugo and "It" bossfights are also reasonably imposing chases.

Not to say that classic RE isn't ever scary or oppressive, but only for so long, you find more health, ammo, and bigger ordnance as you go, soon enough the regular enemies just aren't that intimidating, you can blow them away with one or two shotgun shells or a grenade. RE4 is closer to starting with that state, where you have very brief scarcity early on, but it ramps up more, and quicker.
There's some horror to RE4 as well, but it's not really survival horror like the older entries, and it's more the atmosphere and SOME of the encounters. As action-horror, I think it works well.

>>9618925
Indeed! I've always liked comparing RE4 to Evil Dead, where the first two movies are straightlaced and sinister horror movies (more so the first one), with Army Of Darkness being this fucking wild departure into a more lighthearted and exaggerated adventure. It's a radical change in tone, but it's done INCREDIBLY well, and it's a fantastic film.
I would absolutely say that RE4 succeeds in catching a movie feel far better than the vast majority of games which badly wish they were movies instead of games, as RE4 still aims to be an actual game.

[Anonymous No.9619424]

>>9617652
But Leon came from America, another third world. So RE1~3 would also be about insane third worlders.

[Anonymous No.9619426]

>>9617324
Examples of his argument?

[Anonymous No.9619492]

>>9618040
>Where are the zombies?
In another castle.

>Where is Umbrella?
The presented outcome makes enough sense.
No amount of bribery or connections can cover up a massive plague/bioweapon outbreak which consumes an entire American city in a complete nightmare, that shit is completely unprecedented in all of US history, and that's before you get to the part where the feds were cornered into having to sterilize said city with thermobaric weapons, you can't sweep that shit under the rug, people are gonna notice. That's like the Rajneeshee Salmonella Attack times a million.

This however, wouldn't mean that every element of Umbrella was conclusively done with, they were huge and there would be remnants and other villains left, such as Wesker and Spencer. RE4 intentionally left things open for a following game to conclude this. That game was RE5, and this was where that ball was actually dropped.

>Where is the inventory management? Where are the cinematic fixed camera angles? It's barely a RE game, more likely just got reskinned for franchise points once they realized how awful it was and wouldn't sell as whatever new IP they started it as.
Definitely started out as a Resident Evil 4 game, there were a number of different attempts at starting a Resident Evil 4, famously, one went so wildly off the mark that Shinji Mikami said it would be completely unsuitable for the series, but he also thought that it looked very promising and told Hideki Kamiya that he should retool it and develop it into its entirely own thing, which would be Devil May Cry.
The reason for the actual Resident Evil 4 going in the direction it did was because the development team felt like the established approaches felt way too much like a rethread each time, they had done that and didn't feel like they had any fresh or interesting ideas, they really wanted to do something different, hence the crazy Devil May Cry attempt, or the spooky haunted castle with ghosts attempt.

This is well documented.

[Anonymous No.9619508]

>>9618940
Salazar is no sillier than the Aryan incest twins or Marcus in his Sephiroth cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9619547]

>>9619508
Or the fucking Ashfords, for that matter.

[Anonymous No.9619962]

yes. It's easily a 10/10. I replayed it a month ago after going through RE1/2/3 and confirmed that it remains the pinnacle of the franchise.