/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9598841]

guess what came in the mail today :)

[Anonymous No.9598890]

You made this thread already

Yesterday

[Anonymous No.9598957]

>look into these new light gun solutions
>huh, sounds kind of interesting
>scroll down
>minimum distance from screen = screen diagonal x 1.5
I cannot understand what would possess anyone to want to sit 4-6 feet away from their monitor. 8+ feet if you want to play on a TV.

My current lightgun setups are on 19-20 inch monitors, and I sit with my gun 1 foot away from the screen, my body about 2.5 feet away. You would have a vastly inferior picture than me, because a 24" monitor is smaller than a 20" 4:3, and you have to sit twice as far back. It's 3 feet minimum for gun distance, which means you have to sit 4 feet away.

Light guns are one of those things that should be fucking trivial to recreate with modern technology, and yet no company is interested. I would happily pay 500 bucks for a non-recoil gun with no distance limitations. The closest available options are laser based solutions, but even then you can obscure the laser with your body or gun.

[Anonymous No.9598965]

>>9598890
checked archive. they don't seem to have.

[Anonymous No.9598980]

>>9598957
You're correct that it's trivial to build a modern light gun setup. The issue is that no light gun games were programed with that sort of setup in mind, so none of them would work with it.

[Anonymous No.9598984]

>>9598980
Literally all you have to do is make a mouse. There are dozens of emulators, they all work just fine with my 30 year old Act Labs setup, which is a CRT only gun with hardcoded white flashes (it hooks into your VGA signal).

Emulation is good enough for everything up to PS2, which covers the vast majority of light gun titles.

[Anonymous No.9598994]

>>9598841
a famicom disk system?
a set of dreamcast maraca controllers?

[Anonymous No.9598995]

>>9598957
you realize most light gun games were played on a 13” crt right?

the feeling is amazing on large screens

[Anonymous No.9599000]

>>9598995
>you realize most light gun games were played on a 13” crt right?
according to who?
you?

[Anonymous No.9599004]

>>9598995
>you realize most light gun games were played on a 13” crt right?
It depends ENTIRELY on which era you're talking about. Almost any arcade light gun shooter made after 1995 was built to either be played on a standard monitor or a much, much bigger one.

[Anonymous No.9599006]

>>9599000
are you a zoomer? before processed tv images most crt screens were really fucking small especially in a bedroom.

[Anonymous No.9599010]

>>9599004
the gun in my picture can literally be set up on a 100” projector. tons of people doing it.

[Anonymous No.9599039]

>>9599010
>>the gun in my picture can literally be set up on a 100” projector. tons of people doing it.
You can set it up on a screen that large, no problem. The issue is the DISTANCE you have to stand away from such a screen, which means the relative size of that screen gets much smaller.

For people who are after the arcade experience, or even a superior one with a bigger screen, your shitty solution doesn't compare. HotD there uses a 45" rear projection screen. It's 66" deep, which means the guns are positioned around 40" from the display, and you can stand quite comfortably at 45" away, with the guns around 20-25" away from the screen. This would be screen size * 0.5, not screen size * 1.5.

The minimum distance you'd be able to stand away with Sinden or any of these shit modern solutions is around 90 inches (68" from barrel). Which is double the distance. Which means the picture you will see will be a quarter the size of what was intended, technically a little smaller because you still need to add in the bezel. This doesn't change if you change the size of the screen, either. You're always limited by the size of the border, which means you will always be forced to stand far further away than is optimal.

[Anonymous No.9599059]

>>9599039
doesn’t feel bad for me. you problem no one cares.

works on my machine.

[Anonymous No.9599064]

>>9598841
A fuckin' gun

[Anonymous No.9599070]

>>9599004
question how did they get light guns working on such large tvs back then?

[Anonymous No.9599078]

>>9598841
what the fuck op mine came yesterday. i finnished setting up house of the dead 1 today and i had two already setup. played some games and had a blast. literally plug and play just had to adjust the cursor a little. i love it.
how is your experience going? did you play any games? did you get recoil? i hope you got recoil.

[Anonymous No.9599079]

>>9599059
At best, assuming you're using a 4:3 bezel (if you use 16:9 you need to stand even further away), you will have an FOV that's only 2/3rds of mine on a 30 year old setup. It'd be less than half if I had a large rear projection monitor or someone made a real modern light gun.

It only "works" because you've never had anything better.

>>9599070
Rear projection monitors were just fancy CRTs. CRT projectors could put out even larger pictures, there was one clay pigeon light gun title called Shoot Away that used a 68-100 inch display back in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.9599116]

i am jealous of your gun OP.

[Anonymous No.9599143]

>>9599079
oh yeah i sure do love standing 2 feet away and paying a dollar every 2 minutes. the best light gun experience.

[Anonymous No.9599150]

>>9599070
Most of the light gun methods that were popular in the early 90s were incompatible with projector screens. Arcades ended up having to switch to LED-scanning light guns to make them work. That's the method that's still used in arcade machines to this day.

[Anonymous No.9599161]

>>9598841
what the fuck op mine came yesterday. i finnished setting up house of the dead 2 today and i had two already setup. played some games and had a blast. literally plug and play just had to adjust the cursor a little. i love it.
how is your experience going? did you play any games? did you get recoil? i hope you got recoil.

[Anonymous No.9599163]

>>9598841
That

[Anonymous No.9599172]

>>9599143
Why did you waste a bunch of money on a 20"+ monitor? Should've just used your phone screen instead, 5 inches is big enough.

>>9599150
That's not true, CRT projectors existed, and rear projection worked fine. The reason for the switch to IR was to reduce flashing, likely in response to the whole Pokemon porygon shit in 97. It just happened to line up with CRTs getting phased out later.

[Anonymous No.9599202]

>>9599078
>how is your experience going

the aiming is really precise and nice. i cant get the aiming off screen to reload to work nice though i dont know if it’s an emulator problem or what.

[Anonymous No.9599207]

>>9599202
i dont have that problem. it does feel a tiny bit inconsistent at times but i think its because my tv is so damn big aiming outside of it takes me slightly longer

[Anonymous No.9599272]

>>9598841
A package addressed to faggot?

[Anonymous No.9599283]

>>9598841
Cool! Did you get that for your wife's boyfriend? I bet he'll end up holding it sideways. They're funny like that.

[Anonymous No.9599286]

>>9599283
why do you post in this board? go back to >>>/v/

[Anonymous No.9599298]

>>9599286
I actually still like the games that came out when I was growing up. That's why I'm here, fag.

[Anonymous No.9599302]

>>9599298
then why did you post about cuckoldry instead of about games? It seems like you enjoy cuckoldry much more because you are posting about it on the retro games board.

[Anonymous No.9599306]

>>9599298
why shitpost like a child for no reason then?

[Anonymous No.9599309]

Does bitch baby think he logged onto reddick?

[Anonymous No.9599310]

>>9599286
it’s literally for retro arcade games

[Anonymous No.9599316]

Hay eve 1. I bog mah firs gunny gu. I'm ganna play same Sega Masha System Shooties with the 3D glasses because they still fit on my tiny lil' heady head.

[Anonymous No.9599320]

You're here forever. You're stuck in here with me. I'll always be here. Waiting

[Anonymous No.9599350]

>>9599172
>The reason for the switch to IR was to reduce flashing, likely in response to the whole Pokemon porygon shit in 97
...The House of the Dead was 96.

[Anonymous No.9599351]

>>9599078
>>9599161
Alright, who’s next?

[Anonymous No.9599389]

>>9599006
are you?
>most crt screens were really fucking small especially in a bedroom.
They weren't 13 inches. Not in any year that lightgun games were being playing.
Additionally the great majority of light-gun games that ever got played were in arcades that used at least a 25" arcade monitor and often a 50" rear projection screen.

[Anonymous No.9599426]

>>9599350
HotD didn't have IR. HotD2 had IR, on the deluxe cabs.

[Anonymous No.9599436]

I was bored so I made an image demonstrating how garbage Sinden is.

[Anonymous No.9599439]

>>9599436
lol keep seething retard i dont have to stand super far away and it’s fine

[Anonymous No.9599457]

>>9599439
>i dont have to stand super far away
Yes, you do. I've just proven that, with the magic of numbers.

Just for fun, I also calculated what the FOV would be like if I had a true LCD based light gun right now. On my 43" monitor, I would have a 35" 4:3 region. This gives me an FOV that's ever so slightly higher than HotD Deluxe. Oh, how nice it would be.

[Anonymous No.9599508]

>>9599302
>>9599306
They don't get it when it's a much slower board then get attention drawn to them for way worse reasons. Posts like that are designed to grab attention by any means necessary, but theres no fucking reason when these threads don't populate as fast and then everyone has plenty of time to call you a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.9599517]

>>9599457
poorfag

[Anonymous No.9599528]

>>9598841
how am I suppose to guess when you show a picture of the fucking thing?

I was gonna guess: dildo and hrt pills

[Anonymous No.9599531]

>>9599528
trannies have taken over your brain. pathetic

[Anonymous No.9599540]

>>9599436
Just use zoom glasses

[Anonymous No.9599548]

Has anyone tried the PS1/PS2 setup? This is the only reason I'd use one, but if I still have to stand 8 feet away from my TV like other anons have stated then it might not be worth the $100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLxIRxufBdo

[Anonymous No.9599565]

>>9599531
wow sick burn fag or fag ally

[Anonymous No.9599574]

>>9599540
I know it's a joke, but you'd still have a lot of issues because binoculars and this shit don't autofocus like your eyes do. For anything else you could just set the focus to the screen depth, but for light gun titles you want to focus on the gun sight, which is always going to be moving around. Plus half the reason for a big screen experience is the fun of moving your arms around more to play the game, that's why Shoot Away did so well, because it had a massive image.

>>9599548
If you have to use it in 16:9 you'll be sitting even further away. Assuming you can at least set it to 4:3 somehow, you'll still need to sit 8 feet away, there's nothing about consoles that make the experience any better.

I wish there was a good light gun solution that didn't require a CRT, but there just isn't. And as large CRTs get harder and harder to find, there's more and more of a risk that light gun stuff is just going to remain in limbo forever.

[Anonymous No.9599596]

>>9599574
>brought my 30 inch RCA CRT with me to college 13+ years ago
>roommate was a close friend of mine
>couldn't fit the TV in my car, asked him to bring it back
>he and his family are a bunch of skinny vegans
>they couldn't lift it because it was heavy as fuck so they just left it there

If I'd have known that losing that TV would be such a substantial loss I would've driven back and brought it back myself. Goddamn.

[Anonymous No.9599761]

>>9599574
every light gun game is already 4:3 you retard

[Anonymous No.9599779]

>>9599761
>>every light gun game is already 4:3
First, no, they aren't. There are dozens that are 16:9 in the arcade. Hell, you've even got titles like Elevator Action Death Parade that are 9:16.

And second, I'm talking about his fucking TV. I don't know what his scaling options are like.

[Anonymous No.9600081]

>>9599457
>Yes, you do. I've just proven that, with the magic of numbers.
then why does it work when i'm next to the screen for me?

[Anonymous No.9600414]

>>9598995
>>9598957
No no no. That's modern meme PVM plastic collector logic. It was always better to play on the biggest screen possible from as far away as the cord would let you and most middle class households in America typically had a ~30ish" tv in the living room back in the day. There's zero fun being right up on the screen. These new solutions typically have a lot of issues from what I've heard, though it would be fun as fuck to play duck hunt from the couch on my 75"

There was another one for NES that had criminals poking up out of windows and some other styles that was my fav. Can't recall the name now

[Anonymous No.9600441]

>>9599006
ironic

[Anonymous No.9600446]

>>9599272
0/10
>>9599283
>>9599298
you're gay

[Anonymous No.9600574]

>>9600414

>criminals poking out up of windows

Hogan’s Alley?

[Anonymous No.9600592]

I got 2 of the Sinden light guns when they first came out since I backed them. They were so bad I ended up putting them in box. Has the software improved? Was thinking of trying GunIT to avoid the white boarders

[Anonymous No.9601000]

>>9600414
>There's zero fun being right up on the screen.
It's a balancing act. Yes, it's fun further from the screen. But the further away you get, the smaller the screen gets. I'm not talking about playing with your gun essentially touching the screen, that's always been shit. But sitting close enough to make use of the image available, which is around the 2.5 feet mark, and using a grip that puts your gun 6-12" away from the screen.

[Anonymous No.9601050]

>>9601000
I just can't imagine sitting that close. Then again I always played on the big TV in the living room

[Anonymous No.9601065]

>>9601050
I've played from various distances, I prefer a bigger screen over more distance.

The ideal would probably be a 100"+ screen I can stand 6 feet away from, giving me a gun distance of 4 feet, and a view angle of 50 degrees horizontal. This wouldn't be possible with modern solutions, which would require a minimum distance of 14 feet away.

[Anonymous No.9601154]

>>9601065
Idk on a 100" screen that sounds about right to me

[Anonymous No.9601163]

OP here. got everything set up don’t need to stand far away like that retard says. feels really close to a crt.

[Anonymous No.9601171]

>>9601163
Get out a tape measure then. How far is your eye from the screen while you can still hit all 4 corners, and how big is your screen?

[Anonymous No.9602269]

>>9601171
if i stand any closer to the screen i literally cant see past the gun

[Anonymous No.9602305]

>>9602269
Do you not own a tape measure? Must be a terrifying world you live in.

[Anonymous No.9603475]

>>9602305
Hey. Not op but i own sinden. Didnt read your retarded bullshit but from what i read and when i measured the sinden needs to be at least a length and a half from ur tv. So say its 50 inch. U need to be at least 75 inches away. Thats what it said on the site and works fine for me. Hope tht clears up your arguments

[Anonymous No.9603946]

>>9603475
>Didnt read your retarded bullshit but from what i read and when i measured the sinden needs to be at least a length and a half from ur tv.
And if you managed to read any of my "retarded bullshit", you'd know that's my entire argument. A length and a half is unacceptable in comparison to true lightguns.

[Anonymous No.9604025]

>>9603946
Ive seen videos of crt lightgun games. Looks way too close for my taste and then at that its pixelated garbage. Take hotd1 the only console port is sega saturn and its so fucking disgusting its not even worth it. Besides the white borders(which im probably going to attempt to make thinner today when i play) the game is clear and accurate for me. The tv does not feel far for me because its a huge tv. You saying u need to be close to me is like telling me i should sit at the front row of a movie theatre.
You can also factor in the fact that if you do want a console lightgun game. You would have to get:the console, the lightgun,and the crt. All for probably one game and at 640x480 at that. With sinden or whatever pc lightgun you want( can speak for others because i dont have them) but i have the freedom of resolution as well as the range of games i want to play:for free.
At the end im truly happy with my choice after having an itch for lightgun games all last year and doing my research

[Anonymous No.9604046]

>>9604025
This all just reads like cope to me. Being "too close" was the intended experience, you've seen the deluxe cabinets, they're all around a 50" screen, and you're usually standing about that distance away from them.

Just for the sake of comparison, my PC setup cost me 50 bucks. 20 bucks for the CRT, 30 bucks for the gun.

>i should sit at the front row of a movie theatre.
For IMAX, the back gives you a 60 degree FOV, and the front gives you 80. At an FOV of sub 30, you're sitting in the fucking PARKING LOT YOU RETARD. You haven't done any research, you understand nothing about the experience you wanted, enjoy your fucking borders cutting even deeper into your FOV.

[Anonymous No.9604089]

>>9604046
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to please calm down.

[Anonymous No.9604096]

>>9604089
Oh, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9604134]

I just ordered two of them.
Any good site or torrent to look for lightgun games.

[Anonymous No.9605093]

>>9604046
Sorry just saw ur message.ill entertain you i have nothing better to do honestly
>This all just reads like cope to me. Being "too close" was the intended experience, you've seen the deluxe cabinets, they're all around a 50" screen, and you're usually standing about that distance away from them
Do you honestly see one hint of regret in my post? I’m really happy with my lightgun i even emailed them and asked them if theres anywhere i can give a public review because theyre customer service replied to me the next day at 7 am when i messaged them about the progress of my package. My thing is why are u so bitter and so against this lightgun? Is just this one or all non-crt lightguns?why come into the thread of something you dont like just to bitch just seems like u want to be miserable. As for the “intended experience” that was years ago and all things eventually need an upgrade. Sure ive been in the deluxe cabinets i remember the hotd1 one ha. My thing is i prefer them both my setup and the cabinet setup but again going the route that you want me to go im giving up a huge amount of customization and range.

What lightgun did you get for ur pc setup?

>For IMAX, the back gives you a 60 degree FOV, and the front gives you 80. At an FOV of sub 30, you're sitting in the fucking PARKING LOT YOU RETARD. You haven't done any research, you understand nothing about the experience you wanted, enjoy your fucking borders cutting even deeper into your FOV.
My fov is fine man i see perfect parking lot fov is a bit of a stretch ur standing 75 inches from a 50 inch is not tht far away.either you are blind or ur not grasping the distance correctly in your head.

[Anonymous No.9605190]

>>9605093
>why are u so bitter and so against this lightgun? Is just this one or all non-crt lightguns?
It's all of them, because none of them work. There are ways to make a working light gun, nobody has bothered. I've watched half a dozen projects fizzle out over the past 5 years, and all we're left with are wastes of time like thick screen bezels or LEDs you have to tape to your monitor.

>all things eventually need an upgrade.
It's a direct proven downgrade in all aspects. You might as well be arguing that nobody needs a d-pad anymore because we have cool touch screen phones now.

>im giving up a huge amount of customization and range.
I'm not saying you should buy my setup. I'm just saying your setup is shit.

>ur standing 75 inches from a 50 inch is not tht far away.
It is. It's a fucking mile away. The furthest back I'd be willing to stand from a 50" screen is 50 inches. On your screen, you get a horizontal FOV of 24.5 degrees for 4:3 games. If I had a good non-CRT lightgun, I would have an FOV almost twice as large on my monitor.

[Anonymous No.9606509]

>>9598841
There's a guy working on an opens source gun that works on modern TVs with original hardware. He's posted some videos and it's already working with multiple consoles. Really promising stuff, I can't wait to try it out.