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9579468 No.9579468 [Reply] [Original]

Was Sunshine pushed out early to meet a holiday or something? It lacks the usual Nintendo polish.

>> No.9579476

>>9579468
The game itself doesn't lack polish, it just feels like there should've been more content but we ended up with the blue coins instead

>> No.9579480

>>9579476

The hit detection is off and the game hates slopes.

>> No.9579487

>>9579468
>a holiday
No but a certain time of year. Obviously zoomers can't know this but you should be able to imagine which one anyway. Also Metroid Prime, Zelda, etc. wanting to be released too

>> No.9579496

>>9579476
It lacks a LOT of polish. It's horribly unfinished and clearly shows.

Shiggy Moto has that damn quote about delaying a game then rushed out the ONLY Mario game on the Gamecube.

>> No.9579502

>>9579476
>The game itself doesn't lack polish

A-are you serious?

>> No.9579510
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>>9579502
>>9579496
Just repeating the same shit 20 times with your phone isn't an argument. It doesn't need muh polish to still be EASILY the best 3D platformer of its generation so maybe stop whining and make your own video game

>> No.9579521

>>9579510
Bait or brain damage?

>> No.9579526

>>9579468
>>9579480
>>9579496
>>9579502
>>9579521
I am sick of you goddamn autismos shitting on this game for some stupid ass reason.

>> No.9579536

>>9579521
>another post without an argument
And since I've seen all the arguments already, they barely even rise to nitpicking and "IT'S BAD BECAUSE IT ISN'T LITERALLY PERFECT"
Go play Sly 2 where the turtle explains you how to walk on ropes

>> No.9579540

>>9579468
Stupid follow up to Mario 64. Major misstep.
Who at nintardo thought it was a good idea to follow up what is considered the perfect 3D platformer with a gimmick game? You don’t do a gimmick for a mainline, system seller title.
They thought this was going to take down Halo and MGS2? Should have just made a more direct sequel to Mario 64 which is what people wanted. This + making Zelda cutesy in this era of gaming were just significant missteps.
I had this back when it was new and it was just so meh. Good thing I had Rogue Squadron 2.
GameCube deserved it’s third place finish.

>> No.9579548

>>9579540
>GameCube deserved it’s third place finish.
Jeez, you're going all out now with your failed shitpost thread

>> No.9579557

>>9579540
>Who at nintardo thought it was a good idea to follow up what is considered the perfect 3D platformer with a gimmick game?
The same person that thinks it's useless to make games and consoles without fun innovations. I hope you do realize the GameCube itself was a gimmick, has a handle so you can pick it up and go visit your friend and maybe even share one, and the controller itself has a gimmick button placement and triggers, the latter of which Sunshine was literally designed around

And that's a good thing because it makes Sunshine unique and worth returning to today for all the things it does the other games don't do. Same goes for 64, Galaxy and Odyssey

>> No.9579558

I'd say sunshine is polished but unfinished. It's three quarters of a great Mario game. Corona Mountain in particular is an insultingly bad final level.

>> No.9579559

>>9579557
>has a handle so you can pick it up and go visit your friend and maybe even share one
Based Nintendo prioritizing fans having fun over sales

>> No.9579564

>>9579548
GameCube is a great console, I’m saying management made poor decisions that lead to a third place finish and it’s their fault.
I owned all three (blessed) when they were new, and GameCube did less than the competition and pissed people off.

>> No.9579567

>>9579536
>Go play Sly 2 where the turtle explains you how to walk on ropes
kek

honestly why are all other platform series so shit? sluggish, too simple, uninteresting

>> No.9579581

>>9579526
Based

>>9579521
Seriously, fuck off. What the fuck does unfinished even mean? Where is it obvious they didn't "finish" the game? You're just talking out of your stupid ass. I'm tired of these retarded nonsensical "critiques" you edgy contrarians shit out. Do you really think Nintendo didn't finish their AAA main Mario game of the generation? It's just completely made up bullshit. Sure Corona Mountain sucks but it doesn't mean it's "unfinished" whatever fuck that means. Idiot.

>> No.9579590

>>9579540
>gimmick
Another one of those nonsensical terms. Next you're gonna say Wind Waker was a 'tech demo'. It's all so tiresome.

>> No.9579597

>>9579557
If you were in charge of Nintendo, and you knew the competition was intense, would you make a direct sequel to a last gen game that was awarded 10/10 by basically ever major publication…or would you release Mario with a water gun?
If you were in charge, would you make a Zelda sequel that carries over the themes and style of your 10/10 adventure game…or would you make a baby looney tunesesque cartoon sailing game in the age of GTA and LotR?
I’m not even saying they are bad games, I’m saying they were obvious missteps that hurt Nintendo.

Innovation doesn’t always mean “different for difference sake”, especially when this means you’re not leading the industry a second generation in a row.

>> No.9579602

>>9579502
I'm dead serious. It's perhaps the best Mario has ever been in terms of controls. The levels manage to be diverse while sharing the same aesthetic. The level design compliments Mario's moveset perfectly. The game is clearly unfinished but those 2/3ds of the game that we got are polished as hell

>> No.9579605
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>>9579581
Decent bait, but the based comment reveals it.

>> No.9579619

>>9579581
>Do you really think Nintendo didn't finish their AAA main Mario game
They literally cut dungeons from Wind Waker. There is a reason Metroid Prime is considered to be a flagship first party title and is rated higher than GC's Mario and Zelda

>> No.9579634

Its still one of the best looking games of the generation, could even argue that it holds up better than galaxy.The dev team probably underestimated how long it takes to make worlds that don't just look like a playtest placeholder.

>> No.9579890

I found sunshine uniquely unfun, massive empty levels with way too much negative space built to justify the existence of fludd, extreme fatigue over the setting, and way too much tedium. It reuses the same objective in different stages too much and the blue coins basically being the main content was a huge mistake. If the content isn't good, cut it. Too much fat, not enough substance. Mario can move with the best of em but if all the levels suck there's no point, and damn do they suck.

I know the anon saying it's the best platform game of the generation is an obnoxious fanboy, but you can't attack turtle interruptions in sly 2 when you defend a game with fludd.

>> No.9579923

>>9579567
>sluggish, too simple, uninteresting
That's the entirety of Sunshine. At least Sly 2 had a story that made sense & worthwhile missions compared to the Italian Janny.

>> No.9580130
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9580130

Sunshine threads are always so irritating.

>> No.9580436

there's literally nothing wrong with sunshine?

>> No.9580439

>>9579468
The game is conceptually uncanny too. I don't like it, it pisses me off with its shitty attitude

>> No.9580581

People who hate Sunshine suck at video games.

>> No.9580619

>>9579502
Anon I love mario sunshine but let's not act like the game was perfect there were some broken ass levels that made the game harder than it needed like the pachinko and watermelon levels. The fucking chuckster level is also pure bullshit.

>> No.9580623

>>9580619
Meant to reply to >>9579476

>> No.9580628

>>9579567
All the PS2 platformers have the same shitty jumping physics it pisses me off. Sure they aren't bad games but I don't consider most of them to be good platformers. It's why I consider sunshine to be the best platformer from this era even if it's flawed

>> No.9580631

>>9579619
>They cut content, you can never cut content
>But I also want a polished game
Imagine being this fucking retarded

>> No.9580813

>>9579468
There's a whole bunch of unused shit in Sunshine's coding. Stuff like a list of levels (including cut ones) and some stuff implying that Pinna Park was supposed to be a second hub area.
https://tcrf.net/Super_Mario_Sunshine

>> No.9580828

>>9579468
I like Sunshine despite its faults. I like Delphino, Piantas and the overall aesthetic. But holy fuck is it unfinished. It's even more baffling in hindsight because every mainline Mario game after it has the regular amount of care and polish to it, making Sunshine really stand out.
There's less shit to explore, horrible missions like the watermelon and lily plant bullshit, some bad hitboxes and glitches. Luigi's Mansion being essentially a tech demo and Wind Waker having chunks of cut content make it clear that Nintendo had no clue what they were doing after being dabbed on by Sony.

>> No.9580872

It just felt .... uninteresting to explore the environments.

The tropical theme is not really used to the fullest and the game peaks early when you bounce around Delfino Plaza. There's zero memorable content after that other than the abstract special levels.

>> No.9580907

Great game
Infuriating camera

/thread

>> No.9581225

mario 64 is the GOAT
sunshine sucks ass and it only has a decent rep now because it's popular for speedrunning

>> No.9581617

>>9579468
It's just a trash game which has a small, vocal group that fellates it hard. The levels are dull, missions are irritating, graphics are passable and the controls are janky as fuck.

And that's before we get onto the blue coins and fuck awful bosses. Terrible game, should be buried and forgotten about.

>> No.9581664

>>9580581
This. And they're probably autistic as they're unable to enjoy the atmosphere of a game. Just pushing buttons, robotic mechanics.

>>9579605
Literal autism

>> No.9581665

>>9579619
They literally cut content from all good entertainment products. Movies have scenes that are cut. Music albums have songs that are cut. That doesn't make them "unfinished" you dumb turbo autist.

>> No.9581702

>>9581665
90% of all DLC released today feels like cut content that didn't meet the quality standard of the main game.

>> No.9581908

>>9580130
Agreed. I genuinely don't understand why it gets so much hate. I know it's a vocal minority of SM64 fans but still.

If video games are meant to be "fun" then, Sunshine is the ultimate video game. Just strolling in Delfino Plaza makes me happy. The atmosphere is unparalleled. Oh well.

>> No.9581920

>>9580130
>they hurt my feewings i dun like it :(

>> No.9581941

>>9579468
There is no objective criticism on Sunshine. Everyone who hated Sunshine just wanted another BING BONG WAHOO in 3d like SM64. The water gun mechanics made the game feel fresh, new and fit the summer theme perfectly. But you obsessed manchildren just want to the same mario shit over and over again.

>> No.9581945

>>9581941
SM64 attracts a lot of autists. Just look at the speedrunning scene (no sane person would ever speedrun a game)

>> No.9581957

>>9581908
Do you actually pay attention when you play games or are you just pressing buttons and turning your brain off?

>> No.9581991

https://youtu.be/odrrumX00c4

While Sunshine is fun, Mario 64 is the superior split screen experience.

>> No.9581998

>>9579468
>Was Sunshine pushed out early to meet a holiday or something?
Yeah, that was the case with just about all Nintendo's releases on the Gamecube. There's a few different reasons why and I'm not going to post them again.

>> No.9582003

>>9581998
I would forgive Luigi's Mansion for being one of the shittiest launch titles in history if it shipped with the planned co-op

But it didn't, so fuck Nintendo.

>> No.9582065

>>9581957
Nice projection. Enjoying the atmosphere of a game is the opposite of turning your brain off.

>> No.9582070

>>9581998
SMS was released in Japan 9n July 19, August 26 in US and 11 October in EU. So which holidays are we talking about, schizo? Go back to playing your gacha simulator, autie.

>> No.9582092

>create a lot of stuff
>cut down stuff that's less good than the rest
>ta-daa this is the final product
Literally works like that with all kinds of production.

>>9581702
More like, cut the ending off and sell it 6 months later for 20 dollars. The modern video game industry is absolutely shameless in this regard. Just look at Cyberpunk 2077, why stuff like that is legal is beyond me. Say what you want about Nintendo but they don't do this.

>> No.9582527

>>9581920
That's not what I said.