/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9577756]

Was it good /vr/?

[Anonymous No.9577761]

>>9577756
Very good. Feels like you're playing an Akira Toriyama anime

[Anonymous No.9577767]

looks like DBZ from the cover.
is it good?

[Anonymous No.9577768]

>>9577756
It's probably THE most overrated rpg in history of video games.

[Anonymous No.9577771]

>>9577761
>Feels like you're playing an Akira Toriyama anime
so it feels like eating shit then

[Anonymous No.9577776]

>>9577767
Very good

[Anonymous No.9577789]

>linear
>story shit
>doesn't have grinding

Huge disappointment as a Dragon Quest fan.

[Anonymous No.9577795]

>>9577776
respond to >>9577768

[Anonymous No.9577798]

>>9577756
Yes, it's awesome

[Anonymous No.9577801]

>meet the final boss for the first time
>get shit kicked in
>reload last save
>grind for hours and hours
>get back to first final boss meeting
>spend about a hour on the fight
>finally get to his last phase
>feel soo good about my self
>he does a aoe attack that does like triple the damage of all his previous single attacks
>spend the next round recovering
>another aoe attack
And another ect...
I put it down and said I'll grind more and try again tomorrow
Tomorrow never came

[Anonymous No.9577803]

>>9577795
I don't care whether it's overrated or not, it's good. You download it, you try it, if you like it, you play it, if you don't, you drop it. Pretty simple

[Anonymous No.9577848]

>>9577801
Who was your party? When did you fight the boss? Did you include a decent healer? Usually, I have a dedicated healer (Marle, Frog, Robo) that does nothing but heal, pure DPS character (Crono, Ayla), and a flex spot that can recover or help either out (Robo, Frog, Crono, Lucca) and have never had a problem with the final boss. In fact, he was pretty easy, but I did do a lot of the side quests and tried to get the best items that I could. The fun thing about CT was that I had lots of fun playing the side quests, seeing how my actions could change time. Most of them never really felt overwhelming, but there was one or two that kinda sucked. YMMV, like what you like.

[Anonymous No.9577849]

>>9577756
It's mid. Great concepts and presentation but the gameplay and progression aren't that fun in and of themselves

[Anonymous No.9577868]

>>9577756
Yes

[Anonymous No.9577874]

>>9577756
Played it last year for the first time, loved every minute. 10/10

[Anonymous No.9577889]

>>9577849
>It's mid
the word you are looking for is average, zoomie

[Anonymous No.9577890]

>>9577768
This

[Anonymous No.9577891]

>>9577801
Equipment matters more than levels for the final boss. Update your armor.

[Anonymous No.9577916]

It's a very accomplished work of set-piece adventuring.
There's a really nice blend of giving the player agency but not too much space so the main thrust of the story does not lose momentum. It never feels like there's a dull moment or it devolves into an empty grind which was more or less the norm for JRPGs of the era.
Even to this day the pace of the game feels very modern and well calibrated.
On top of that all the characters, locations and moments are very memorable.

I'd say it's a pinnacle of a "guided JRPG".

[Anonymous No.9577919]

>>9577756
FF was too involved and mature, they needed a child-friendly product so they dumbed it down for the kids. I can never play for longer than 20 minutes, the topics are so juvenile they always make me cringe a little. How can a normal person past his teens take it seriously? Square ultimately failed by targeting the younger audiences with a game belonging to genre that is so intrinsically mature and built upon a level of storytelling so way above the understanding of the infants this game was made for.

[Anonymous No.9577925]

Source decompile when?

[Anonymous No.9577941]

>>9577801
>people on this board actually got filtered by fucking chrono trigger

[Anonymous No.9577975]

>>9577919
>to be fair you have to have a high iq...

[Anonymous No.9577996]

>>9577756
It's overrated for a few reasons:
1) it does some unique/interesting things that make people perceive it to be better than it actually is
2) 90's jrpgs are massively overrated... mostly because people evaluate them in the context of their time instead of realistically comparing them against all games across all time. They also get a pass for a lot of things just due to the storyline and anime feel.
3) Games that reached mainstream in pre 2005 days get elevated to some untouchable status, but if you actually play other games from the same time period or even modern indie games you'll see that it's not that unique.

With that being said, it's a good game. Not life changing.

[Anonymous No.9578012]

>>9577801
Grind? Dude you can kill the end boss early if you know what are you doing. You just suck badly.

[Anonymous No.9578027]

>>9577996
>if you actually play other games from the same time period or even modern indie games you'll see that it's not that unique.

Name some better JRPGs from the same period.

[Anonymous No.9578032]

>>9577756
I've had so much trouble getting into this game. Tried 3 times, but quit after the first hour. Just nothing really pulling me into the game. Does it pick up after the first couple hours? Or is it one of those games that really could only be experienced at the time it was released?

>>9577848
aesthetic image, I would still be using windows 95 today if it was still supported by microsoft. This thing ran on like 64 MB of RAM

[Anonymous No.9578051]

>>9578027
I guess it depends on how much you like jrpgs. For me, I have a lot more fun with games like pokemon, even something like digimon world 1, champions of norrath, morrowind, everquest, etc. I also found a modern indie jrpg called crystal project that I like a lot. So maybe I'm just not the target audience because I like most western rpgs more... but I also even preferred dragon quest 1.

So no I can't name a similar jrpg from the same time period that is just "better", but I generally prefer other rpgs more.

[Anonymous No.9578061]

>>9577756
It has the best fan remixes I've seen from any gaming community by far. I'm never disappointed in what I hear on YouTube especially when discussing other popular franchises with good remixes as well.

[Anonymous No.9578106]

>>9577996
>instead of realistically comparing them against all games across all time
I don't see how modern turn-based JRPGs are fundamentally better than SNES ones. The genre hasn't changed all the much mechanically. Better technology does open up more possibilities, but that doesn't guarantee that things are better.

[Anonymous No.9578116]

>>9577848
>>9577848
I did this when I was like 12
I think it was chrono frog and the princess?
>>9577891
>>9578012
I wanted to kill him the very first time you meet him so I could brag to my friends.
When I saved, the next time I time traveled he would show up, so I couldn't upgrade equipment if I recall
>>9577941
Same thing happened whe. I played earthbound, or ffv, hell even when I played bravely default and even dark souls.
It's kind of the way I've played RPGs when I was a kid. Spend hours and hours Overgrinding in beginner areas that by the time I want to actually progress, I'm bored of the game, and dont end up finishing it until I force myelf.

[Anonymous No.9578121]

>>9578116
>I wanted to kill him the very first time you meet him so I could brag to my friends.
No wonder you're struggling then, it's extremely difficult to beat him like that on your first playthrough. People saying you suck were wrong, it's impressive you got to the final form.

[Anonymous No.9578187]

>>9577756
Up until the end. The "twist" was beyond stupid. But that's most Japanese media for you. Run a world record marathon then trip at the finish.

[Anonymous No.9578283]

>>9577848
>btw register your winzip

holy cringe I cannot even take this shit board any more

[Anonymous No.9578296]

>>9578283
That got you but not the rest of the pic, which starts off with a broken ESL sentence and is full of buzzwords?

[Anonymous No.9578353]

>>9577768
>>9577849
THIS, so much this.

If you want to play an actually good retro jrpg, I recommend Castlevania 64.

[Anonymous No.9578360]

>>9577941
I saw a streamer who is not a zoomer die to Magus because he relentlessly attacked him with every character including Marle and never realized Magus is counter-attacking with his aoe spells every single time

[Anonymous No.9578368]

>>9578353
While C64 IS amazing, it's not a JRPG.

[Anonymous No.9579302]

Well without it we wouldn't have gotten Cross, the best jRPG to this day. So you can at least say ONE positive thing about Trigger.

[Anonymous No.9579336]

>>9577756
It was fun, but not the best game ever on snes levels of fun

[Anonymous No.9579608]

It's one of the most well paced games I can even think of. I'm replaying it for the first time in 15 years, I just hit the 8 hour mark and I've already been on multiple adventures in the present, went to medieval times twice, fought robots in the post apocalypse, and now I'm doing caveman shit. That's a lot to cram into such a short period of time without it feeling rushed.

[Anonymous No.9579646]

If you like jrpgs I think you'll enjoy it. I probably replayed it 4 or 5 times to get different endings. I thought all the characters were fun despite the story being kinda cheesy. Always choose based Frog bro btw

[Anonymous No.9579708]

>>9577768
>>9577890
>>9578353
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.9579958]

>>9577756
It is the best. The main reason I'm here. There's a reason everyone see it as a classic that the publisher still feels it is worth keeping its integrity despite how much fans want it remade in 3D or Unreal Engine: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-ANEBIB0oao&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

>>9577848
Crono, Ayla, Robo for efficiency, Crono, Marle, Lucca for main character story. Fought Lavos at the end after the side quests, the portals for alternative endings were only available on new game+ playthroughs.

[Anonymous No.9580010]

>>9579958
Nice collection. I still need to try DS version. I usually use Crono, Frog, and Marle.

Technically it's possible to beat Lavos even as soon as you reach the End of Time. With early equipment it's near impossible though, you have to grind a crazy amount. The only new option available in New Game+ is the Telepod at the fair, letting you fight Lavos solo. You get the same Developer's Room ending as you get from Ocean Palace Lavos though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chronotrigger/comments/tf16yc/snes_emu_beat_lavos_on_newgame_at_earliest/
>I wasn't able to find hard evidence of being able to beat Lavos at the earliest possible point without "New Game+" -- someone undoubtedly has, I just couldn't find it --. So I decided to try myself. Specifically on SNES, beating Lavos after reaching the end of time, before returning to 1000AD. My rule was the title/save name for the chapter couldn't change from "End of Time" to "The Village of Magic". Thus I could grind in 65,000,000 BC to make it a bit faster. I did this via emulator, using turbo/fastforward but otherwise no assist/cheat/etc.

>After many hours of grinding to LVL 90 I finally did it (88:25 of game time, less realtime with fast-forward). Was able to get to the final form at about LVL 70, but the last form is a beast to do with the low level equipment. Grand Stone is an insta-wipe (chrono can occasionally survive if lucky+full HP) So I needed Lifeline via chrono+marle+robo. Magic damage wasn't as much of a problem as everyone had maxed Mdef at that level, but did still require pretty constant healing. Luminaire is a heavy hitter, but expensive: robo tackle was the MVP with level scaling dmg and MP efficiency -- didn't quite one-shot the left bit, but close enough to allow a one-two punch.

>Interestingly, this doesn't appear to have unlocked NewGame+, which is a bummer.
I saw a TAS do it too at a low 40s levels, but I'm guessing that's not possible normally without extreme luck
https://youtu.be/OJTUR67myH8

[Anonymous No.9580021]

>>9579958
>>9580010
But a couple weeks ago I replayed and finally used Crono, Ayla, Robo the whole way, and it was great. Robo benefits a ton from Speed and Magic Tabs, in the past I always just gave them all to Crono until he maxed out. Heal Beam can quickly become a full heal to the entire party.

[Anonymous No.9580198]

>>9577996
>mostly because people evaluate them in the context of their time instead of realistically comparing them against all games across all time
Why would you ever do that?
It's like saying "Zelda OoT is nothing special because a bunch of games play like it." Everyone that came after took notes from OoT and copied it. Of course other games play like it because OoT set the standard. Not recognizing its' greatness because there are bigger games that do more today would be foolish. And that follows for JRPGs too. You take into account when it came out because modern JRPGs have the advantage of being inspired by/stealing from older games,

[Anonymous No.9580252]

>>9579958
What's the diff between the two ds versions

[Anonymous No.9580310]

Played through it for the first time recently, right after I'd finished a playthrough of Live A Live (Super Famicom version). Both are great games. I just wish Chrono Trigger had a harder difficulty mode, I feel that the combat system with positioning had more potential and depth to be explored. From what I've seen the added stuff in the DS version looks alright but it's obviously lower quality than the original content, it's just a remix of it. Also wish Frog wasn't so objectively inferior to Robo gameplay wise, but he's still my favorite.

[Anonymous No.9580335]

>>9577768
That’s a weird way of saying Final Fantasy X

[Anonymous No.9580506]

>>9578296
yes because that was just the cherry on top. Reddit tier meme at the end of an already atrocious canned post.
And to think people don't use 7zip in current year.

[Anonymous No.9580621]

>>9580335
Was FFX the most overrated?
I would've thought FFXII
People sucked its' dick hard when it came out, but it was just a shitty offline mmo

[Anonymous No.9581260]

>>9580506
Totally understandable, carry on.

[Anonymous No.9581276]

the first time i played this game i accidentally beat the ocean palace lavos with crono/frog/robo. even with the crono/frog/robo team being able to drop massive heals i must have gotten seriously lucky.

[Anonymous No.9581963]

>>9580010
I still prefer the SNES release best as I prefer using my imagination instead of having animated cutscenes doing the same thing that was already done in-engine. I didn't think it was impossible, but I guess I don't love the game that much to grind for so long to attempt a low level equipment finish; impressive to me still. There probably is some fun to be had at a bare minimum attempt to a finish, that is taxing on the player and their luck, but one of my favorite components to Chrono Trigger is its impeccable pacing that you're shepherded through a variety of locations/times/story beats that I could not imagine really grinding aside from wanting to work backwards of the omen from the future on back or endgame side missions for overpowered items.

>>9580021
While Frog/Kaeru is more versitile, I just like the raw power non-magic Ayla/Eira. Heal beam is pretty much a fast and efficient heal that makes the Crono+Ayla+Robo set work so well.

>>9580252
The region. I think the DS is region locked.

[Anonymous No.9582004]

>>9580021
Small wonder, that team is brokenly god-tier. The only thing it's missing is Ice/Water magic, but I think the only boss weak to that is the red Mudeater.
>>9581963
>I still prefer the SNES release best as I prefer using my imagination instead of having animated cutscenes doing the same thing that was already done in-engine.
You can turn those off in the DS version, though I agree they don't add anything of value and it's jarringly out of place to have animations play before ingame versions. Hopefully the inevitable remake gets rid of them in lieu of giving more scenes cinematic angles throughout.
>The region. I think the DS is region locked.
It's not, the difference is that JP has English as the secondary language, US has French as the secondary language, and EU does typical European languages. You're probably thinking of the copy protection, in which bad bootlegs and early emulators would get stuck in the first time warp if the game detects it's not legit.

[Anonymous No.9582034]

>>9577848
I can't remember the third person in my first party but I did use Magus.
>>9580021
Robo is probably the best tab user cause he already has high attack and has the best variety of elemental spells (without sacrificing double techs by using Magus).
Ayla is simply the best party member though. The only one who's as good as Crono without using tabs.

[Anonymous No.9582105]

Just mechanically, I really like the gimmick of dual techs and I’d like for a game to try to expand on the system with a persona-esque social link system and/or fire emblem fondness levels or whatever they were called

[Anonymous No.9582258]

>>9581276
>i accidentally beat the ocean palace lavos

Do you mean at the part where you're supposed to lose? If you beat it there you get the developer's ending, the same as soloing Lavos with Crono immediately in a New Game+.

[Anonymous No.9582269]

>>9577801
This isnt how youre supposed to play JRPGs. The retardness on this board never ceases to amaze me.

[Anonymous No.9582296]

>>9577771
>so it feels like eating shit then
lol you know what eating feels like kys

[Anonymous No.9582389]

>>9582258
Yeah, but i did it without specifically trying to do so, so i got the developer and was just like "I was supposed to lose there?! That's sick!". I'm replaying the game now and i guess i'll see how hard that fight actually is, but given how i don't see other people saying they beat it on accident i can only imagine i got really lucky or played super safely.

[Anonymous No.9582394]

>>9582269
>This isnt how youre supposed to play JRPGs.
How isn't it? These games have levels and experience for a reason. You can engage with it however you want, even grind all the fun out of it. As long its optional it isn't playing the game "wrong", it's your adventure.

[Anonymous No.9582461]

>>9582394
By overlevelling for no reason to beat a boss you're not supposed to beat yet and then just straight up dropping the game when you don't succeed? Cmon dude.

[Anonymous No.9582470]

>>9577756
>Was it good?
Well we still make threads about it every week, almost 30 years later.
>inb4 popular doesn’t mean good
That’s very true. There’s plenty of good games that don’t get the attention they deserve. But popular also doesn’t mean bad.

[Anonymous No.9582473]

>>9577801
this has to be bait

[Anonymous No.9582475]

>be Yuro in mid teens
>go to France with family during summer vacation
>8 hour drive
>one hour before leaving decide to put CT on my R4 DS card as it was just released
>never was a big fan of JRPG's and hardly even knew anything about the game other than some random positive review scores I saw that week
>play WarioWare Touched during the ride
>get bored
>alright imma check out this 'Chrono Trigger' thing
>get hooked almost instantly
>play for the entire ride as if I'm in trance
>spend the next two weeks on my DS, taking breaks to go to the pool or eat
Ahhh great fucking times. I only discovered later the game had GOAT status. I'll never forget how CT sucked me in like no other game did before that. My favorite vidya experience.

[Anonymous No.9582481]

>>9577996
>We should compare the Mona Lisa to computer-generated art from 2022
Zoomers actually believe this

[Anonymous No.9582497]

>>9580198
>You take into account when it came out because modern JRPGs have the advantage of being inspired by/stealing from older games,

But modern JRPGs are all inferior to Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.9582545]

>>9577996
I agree that Chrono Trigger is overrated but saying 90s jrpgs are overrated in general seems like a weird claim. There's a handful of popular JRPGs you could say that about, but then there's dozens if not hundreds of other JRPGs worth playing from that time that are almost completely ignored by most gamers. What decade would have better JRPG options than the 90s?

[Anonymous No.9582638]

>>9577756
chrono trigger isn't overrated
its gameplay may be overrated, but I think people that like the game mostly enjoy the soul and the talent, on top of being a good game overall, a game isn't just gameplay, which is what the faggots saying chrono trigger is overrated think

[Anonymous No.9582673]

>>9577919
6/10 bait

[Anonymous No.9582678]

>>9577756
still in my top 3 rpgs. the soundtrack might be the greatest ost in gaming and the vibes are immaculate. first trip to the future remains a slog though, that shit is the only drag in the game.

[Anonymous No.9582695]

>>9577801
how the fuck do you get filtered by a boss fight in a fucking turned based jrpg lmaooo like nigga just buy some new equipment first lol

[Anonymous No.9582725]

>>9582269
>NOOOOOOOO This isnt how youre supposed to play!

[Anonymous No.9582732]

>>9582389
Nice 'that kid on the playground' imitation, but you can't just 'stumble' upon beating Ocean Palace Lavos. You need to go in with a rock solid plan, if you aren't just grinding to level 70 or whatever.

[Anonymous No.9582764]

>>9582732
>You need to go in with a rock solid plan
with crono/robo/frog and all the consumable items that the game throws at you, isn't that the plan?

[Anonymous No.9582787]

>>9582764
If you're overleveled enough and have Vigil Hats from doing the Fiona quest early it probably is.

[Anonymous No.9582850]

>>9582764
Crono/Robo/Frog is one of the worst possible parties, so thanks for digging your hole even deeper.

[Anonymous No.9582863]

>>9582787
>Vigil Hats from doing the Fiona quest early
This is a bare minimum necessity considering his party-wide confusion attack. Now watch this roleplayer go "oh yeah I did that fr fr that's how I beat him :)"

[Anonymous No.9582885]

>>9582850
>Crono/Robo/Frog is one of the worst possible parties
nothing that contains robo's healing is the worst

[Anonymous No.9582913]

>>9582850
The only way a party consisting of Crono and Robo could be meaningfully dragged down is if you were stupid enough to bring Marle.

[Anonymous No.9582932]

>>9582913
Funnily enough, the only JewTube vid I can find of an Ocean Palace Lavos kill uses Marle. Haste is actually that valuable.

[Anonymous No.9582954]

>>9577768
>>9577789
disregard that i suck black dicks

[Anonymous No.9582981]

>>9582932
It must not be a NG+ when you have access to Haste Helms then, because Marle is very much the embodiment of a one-trick pony.

[Anonymous No.9582989]

>>9582981
No shit retard, this entire discussion is about an early Ocean Palace Lavos kill. Of course it would be trivial in NG+.

[Anonymous No.9583040]

>>9582954
I fucking knew it

[Anonymous No.9583050]

>>9582989
>Of course it would be trivial in NG+.
nta but I contest that it's "trivial" in NG+, I still have trouble with Ocean Palace Lavos after multiple NG+ cycles, heck I still have a way harder time with it than Spekkio's Nu form which I guess is supposed to be the game's actual superboss. I'm convinced Queen Zeal was supposed to suckerpunch you if you somehow survive OP Lavos like Dalton does if you beat his first Golem but the devs ran out of time and reused an ending window as a failsafe. Missed opportunity for the DS version to make Lavos's other forms harder and insert a real ending there, 'cuz once you can beat the first form at Ocean Palace you've already practically won. Is there anyone who beat OP Lavos but legit lost to one of his other forms?
That said, Marle REALLY shines in low-level runs, and is still surprisingly useful sometimes in mid-level edge-cases. I think the tier list should be different enough between NG and NG+.

[Anonymous No.9583060]

>>9583050
Ocean Palace Lavos actually is stronger than any other version of him, specifically because it's supposed to be a losing story battle. That's why it sounds so ridiculous for some retard to just claim that he stumbled past it. You need 100% full blown autism to win at that point.

[Anonymous No.9583130]

>>9583050
>Is there anyone who beat OP Lavos but legit lost to one of his other forms?
Aye, that happened to me. Getting past that fight took up almost all of my resources, so I was much lower on healing than I'd expected.

[Anonymous No.9583269]

>>9583130
No it didn't. Go fuck yourself, Timmy.

[Anonymous No.9585101]

>>9582004
>get stuck in the first time warp
That's it, you're right. I do remember now. It was a thing back then which I had completely forgotten.

[Anonymous No.9585296]

>>9577789

>linear

Like half the game consists of optional side quests.

[Anonymous No.9585439]

>>9577801
I beat Chrono Trigger when I was like 11, you’re just terrible.

[Anonymous No.9585441]

>>9577789
>not requiring you to grind is a negative now

[Anonymous No.9585464]

I play a lot of retro JRPGs and I went back and replayed this game recently. I don't think its overhyped at all. It's a fun story, a fun difficulty, has lots of fun moments, fun extras and side missions, and is good length with good pacing. It's just a charming comfy game. It's exactly playing a shounen adventure. Some people might not like that, but damn if it isn't exactly as hyped as it should be.

[Anonymous No.9587264]

>>9577756
yeah