/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9574147]

The first console with good looking 3d games.

[Anonymous No.9574160]

The first console with good looking 3d games was Sega Saturn.

[Anonymous No.9574196]

>>9574160
ugly and low res

[Anonymous No.9574209]

>>9574147
5th gen was the first with functional 3d.
6th gen was the first where you could actually make it look like the concept art

Bit like nes vs snes

[Anonymous No.9574237]

Genesis and SNES had some surprisingly nice looking 3D games, whether it was Virtua Racing with the SVP chip, Star Fox, or something like Kawasaki Super Bike Challenge which just used a really convincing pseudo-3D system. SEGA CD and 32X also had some very nice looking 3D games.

>>9574160
I'm convinced the 3DO would've done better had they not bogged it down with so many FMV titles. Already had Madden and FIFA with 3D graphics which probably looked mindblowing for their time.

[Anonymous No.9574249]

>>9574209
4th gen had functional 3D too, though. Virtua Fighter 32X is arguably better than the Saturn port. Starblade for SEGA CD is also worth checking out imo, it's completely pre-rendered but really feels like an early 3D Saturn game with its low-poly look

[Anonymous No.9574274]

>>9574147
Nah, but it's the first console with visuals based on the same identifiable general principles as more modern graphics. Which sadly amounts to literally the worst looking performance on that regard, and without the somewhat accidental aesthetic appeal of earlier and more primitive systems.

[Anonymous No.9574280]

>>9574147
True. PShitters are mentally ill

[Anonymous No.9574294]

>>9574147
Just bought another one and have it hooked up in my living room. The anti-aliasing was cleaner than PS2 in most cases, everything just had this smooth and shiny aesthetic. I love it.

[Anonymous No.9574296]

>>9574147
that was Nintendo 64

[Anonymous No.9574305]

>>9574147
Ehhh.. not really. "Good looking" is primarily subjective to the time. 32x had the first good looking 3d games (plural, and starfox was technically impressive, not pretty). DC was however the first console to rival its arcade contemporaries in 3D. The 2D honor belongs to Neo Geo.

[Anonymous No.9574337]

Just a reminder that Dreamcast is comparable in technology to the PlayStation 2, and people who associate it with last-gen consoles like the PS1, Saturn, and N64 are huge retards.

[Anonymous No.9574343]

>>9574337
N64 was closer to Dreamcast/PS2 than Saturn/PS1

[Anonymous No.9574393]

Dreamcast was Sega's real 5th gen entry. The Shiturn might as well not have even existed.

Deal with it, /vr/.

[Anonymous No.9574410]

>>9574305
32x still used horrendous shortcuts and workarounds for 3d games.

Dreamcast was the first console to do good 3d with no compromises. First console that could really bring home the arcade 3d experience from systems like the Model 2.

[Anonymous No.9574414]

>>9574343
No

[Anonymous No.9574416]

>>9574337
I think of it more as a type of a PC + supergun tbqh. Its graphics *feel* PC-ish more than the PS2 ever did. Probably because the GPU is very close to PC GPUs of the time.

[Anonymous No.9574483]

>>9574393
Sad but true. I'm glad I gave Saturn a try but it's still no match for the PS1 and Dreamcast

>>9574343
Also true, as N64 shares a lot of games with Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.9574646]

>>9574393
Well, no.
That's kind of preposterous, anon.
MGS2 could have run on a Dreamcast with few concessions needing to be made.

[Anonymous No.9574670]

>>9574274
God this game and resident evil 4 look like they're from different generations I don't know how sega or anyone expected the dreamcast to be able to compete with the playstation/xbox/gamecube

[Anonymous No.9574714]

>>9574670
Not really.

[Anonymous No.9574715]

>>9574337
Who does this?
The DC was a 480p console, of course it's matched with a PS2.

>>9574670
The PS2 could never run Shenmue or Sonic Adventure 2 at the same quality. Both systems have their pros and cons
Also
>RE4 on PS2
lol
Besides the DC had support for expansion pack-type hardware, and if the system was successful it could have received additional power to make it match the Naomi 2 arcade board in compute power, which is a way more powerful system than the PS2. That's how the DC could compete with Xbox/GC if everything went right.

[Anonymous No.9574724]

>>9574670
RE4's desaturated look probably had something to do with the "higher" quality of graphics.

[Anonymous No.9574740]

>>9574715
>if the system was successful it could have received additional power to make it match the Naomi 2 arcade board in compute power
I highly, highly, highly doubt this would have happened even if the Dreamcast was the #1 best selling system in the world and beating the competition.
Sega would have been extremely gun-shy about releasing any kind of power add-on for the Dreamcast.
The launch model DC was going to be able to play the whole library the whole way through the system lifespan and not a bit less.
Or at least that would have been my orders from on high if I was Isao Okawa.

[Anonymous No.9574794]

>>9574740
>Sega would have been extremely gun-shy about releasing any kind of power add-on for the Dreamcast.
They're retarded enough to try this sort of shit again.
But depending on pricing it could work.
They did plan for this anyway, the DC has rails on the bottom made for this. That pic is an extension for a working zip support prototype, that's a normal DC on top of it.
It wouldn't be far fetched to believe they had other plans including increasing the console's power if the thing was successful and needed it
Because how else would the DC run VF4? VF was a huge deal for Sega back then and they would port it on console no matter what the cost.
If not for more power, they would need to downgrade it by a lot if they were to port it on the base Dreamcast, even more than the PS2 version. The naomi 2 basically double the naomi/DC CPU/GPU + a transform and lightning graphic chip. I think a DC expansion pack could do with just adding another GPU and the T/L chip and some more ram.
The console was already cheap to produce in the first place so by the time Sega would feel the need to add more power to the console in say 2002-2003, those chips would be already 5 year old.
It's just a fun theory I think about sometimes, but I think it could have worked. IIRC there were rumors about this back then.

[Anonymous No.9574831]

>>9574147
Why did you lie? There were lots of good looking 3D games before the Dreamcast came along.

[Anonymous No.9574835]

>>9574794
You're going to hate me for saying this but:
Virtua Fighter 4 wasn't really that important to the Dreamcast platform. Not on the world scale.
The people who really cared about VF would just play it in the arcades.
It would be ported with downgrades and that's all. Later get a better release with a Dreamcast 2.

[Anonymous No.9574841]

>>9574835
Oh I get it. And yep a DC2 would have been probably the better idea.
If only

[Anonymous No.9574845]

>>9574794
>I think a DC expansion pack could do with just adding another GPU and the T/L chip and some more ram
Lmao mate
That’s a brand new console and would be made well after initial Naomi release date for cost reasons
Would probably need to be released in 2005 and by then you had the 7th hen on the horizon

[Anonymous No.9574846]

>>9574845
7th gen*

[Anonymous No.9575185]

>>9574410
Ok? At the time it still looked amazing. Don't go shifting your criterion now

[Anonymous No.9575202]

>>9574714
Ps2 couldn't even run Shenmue LOL

[Anonymous No.9575209]

>>9575202
It certainly could, just not exactly like the DC.

[Anonymous No.9575214]

>>9575202
Do people really not understand what ports were?

[Anonymous No.9575227]

>>9574147
Yes.

>>9574831
No.

[Anonymous No.9575473]

>>9574715
>The PS2 could never run Shenmue or Sonic Adventure 2
To be fair, even modern computers struggle to run dream-cast ports well.

[Anonymous No.9575518]

>>9574196
Like your wife.

[Anonymous No.9575762]

>>9574147
Systems released before you were born don't count?

[Anonymous No.9575779]

>>9575762
epic post

[Anonymous No.9575786]

>>9574147

True. I remember when it came out. Games were in high res, and a silky smooth 60fps. It was like the N64 with the expansion pack, but with more polygons, better textures and no longer a 15fps. It was pretty awesome.

But everyone knew at the time that SEGA fucked up big time since the Genesis, and this amazement was going to be short lived. Sony and Nintendo were going to shortly release new much more powerful systems soon, and same with Microsoft. It was nothing more than a short lived novelty, but it was truly the first system with good looking 3D games, yes.

[Anonymous No.9575835]

>>9575786
I miss the perfect frame pacing of this era of games.

[Anonymous No.9575843]

Most 1st party Dreamcast had a nice aesthetic going on, but so did a lot of Saturn games. Really it's more about artistic style than it was about poly counts.

[Anonymous No.9575851]

seemed like sega realized early on that frame rate >>> realistic graphics for their arcade style of game design

[Anonymous No.9576426]

>>9574160
this

[Anonymous No.9577085]

>>9574147
I agree. I loved the Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.9577101]

>>9574147
>console
A larper.
A failure.
A shame to the gaming environment alongside the N64.

[Anonymous No.9577106]

For me it was Project Justice, Power Stone 2 and Skies of Arcadia

[Anonymous No.9577109]

>>9574249
32X is a 5th gen upgrade for a 4th gen console

[Anonymous No.9577935]

>>9574794
I haven't played VF4's PS2 version. It seems similar to DOA2 PS2 port. Has some additions like fog, but looks worse overall.

[Anonymous No.9578391]

>>9577101
dunno what your point is with this, it just says "compatible with". microsoft wanted some credit for porting winCE even if it sucked.
you would have a point if you posted a japanese console which says "powered by" so i'm not sure why you didn't.

[Anonymous No.9579849]

>>9574147
On a technical level, I think so. Other graphical APIs have seen better adoption and is able to to do more now. It didn't have those visible edge seams and texture wobble and I quite liked what artists were able to achieve at that point.

[Anonymous No.9579865]

>>9577101
one of the best consoles ever made
>n64
unlike the n64 the dc is actually good
>good games
>60fps
>vga
>crisp image
>vmu
>analog triggers
>high res textures
>online

[Anonymous No.9579880]

It was like a PS1.5. Pretty nice back in the day.