/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9573165]

I hate the fact that anytime a game does something thats cryptic its seen as bullshit, terrible, garbage mechanics, etc. but its okay when Nintendo does it (LoZ, Metroid). The Hypocrisy for cryptic famicom games is so accepted that its almost embarassing.

[Anonymous No.9573172]

>>9573165
More like milons shitty asshole

[Anonymous No.9573187]

>>9573165
>(LoZ, Metroid)
Except everyone with a brain (maybe not many people here) will tell you ALTTP and Super Metroid are better and where each series really started

[Anonymous No.9573192]

Milon's Secret Castle is a victim of success of Tower of Druaga in Japanese arcades. That game was intentionally obtusely cryptic to create a social experience of players sharing secrets they discovered with each other. Arcade cabinets were even supplied with notepads for this reason. Such game design philosophy can fall flat when separated from community, forcing an individual player to discovering everything on their own.
Nintendo's games had an advantage in American cultural sphere of having their secrets published widely in magazines and guides, to the point that they became a part of general gaming lore and many people who did not play those games themselves could hear about their peculiarities through osmosis. People still widely play Zelda and Metroid to keep social experience of circulating gaming secrets going, even if that means just searching for video walkthroughs nowadays. Games which left the mainstream discussion decades ago have no such advantage, leaving their quirks to ancient guides on GameFAQs. It is not so fun to deal with cryptic challenges when you have nobody to parasocially ask for hints.

[Anonymous No.9573268]

>>9573187
Except Zelda really started with AoL. You would have to have been there.

[Anonymous No.9573480]

The adventure elements in Milon's are at a different degree than those of Nintendo games and are more obtuse. I'm sorry you can't tell the difference because for you and your entire generation, anything that doesn't hand hold you through shiny markers becomes "bullshit".

[Anonymous No.9573771]

>>9573165
because a small bad aspect of a game doesnt stop it from actually being great. Metroid and both the first LoZ are pretty damn good games, great in a lots of other ways. Milon's secret castle is just a rushjob, its sorely lacking in gameplay and its not intuitively designed(like metroid is)

[Anonymous No.9573779]

Milon isn't even that cryptic, it's just hard because it's difficult to explore the rooms when you're constantly being raped in the ass by enemies.

[Anonymous No.9574185]

>>9573192
good post. would read again.

[Anonymous No.9574262]

>>9573165
>but its okay when Nintendo does it (LoZ, Metroid)

Nobody thinks this is okay which is why neither of these series do anything cryptic anymore. People think that cryptic things and real puzzles were only there to sell strategy guides, game genies, and the Nintendo Power Line.

[Anonymous No.9574298]

>>9573192
Good post

[Anonymous No.9574304]

>>9573165
Metroid is honestly fine, it's not nearly as bad as other adventure games. You can figure everything out on your own if you spend enough time

[Anonymous No.9574332]

>>9573165

For me, there was no "seeing" these games as being too cryptic or not too cryptic - it was a matter of feeling. I was a kid then, I played Metroid and Zelda, and I experienced lots of fun. I also played Milon's Secret Castle and Legacy of the Wizard, and I experienced far less fun (albeit still some). It's something that simply happened to me; I didn't decide to give Nintendo a pass. I barely knew the names of the companies that made games and I didn't care about their identities.

>>9573187

If you want to send a magical wizard to magically erase my past, in which I started each series with its first game (and loved that game) and then played each successive game (and enjoyed that as well), then... I guess I can't stop you. But until that happens, I will continue believing that magic isn't real. You can disagree if you want. See how far that takes you.

[Anonymous No.9574336]

>>9573165
I don't care about what random people on the internet say, but I bought a copy of this as a kid and enjoyed not knowing what the fuck to do. It always drew me back in.

[Anonymous No.9574420]

>>9573187
As the old adage goes, "tis better to be thought the zoom than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"

[Anonymous No.9575124]

>>9573192
>Arcade cabinets were even supplied with notepads for this reason.

Awesome. THIS by itself suddenly causes Tower of Druaga to make sense to me. That actually sounds fun!

[Anonymous No.9575351]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMGUAPRw7JM

[Anonymous No.9575368]

>>9573172
LOL

[Anonymous No.9575578]

>>9575124
Tower of Druaga was very much intended as a social game where the entire community would work together to solve it. It's a really cool concept that can't be done anymore due to the internet.

[Anonymous No.9575589]

>>9573172
Came here for this

[Anonymous No.9576420]

reminder there's a Japan-only sequel to Milon for the SFC released in 1996

[Anonymous No.9576538]

>>9576420
Reminder that it was released worldwide like 20 years ago.