/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.957065]

I miss the late 90's sonic, I swear to god, sometimes I think about it and can't help thinking "what the fuck happened" I mean sonic games had its own culture like music, trends, etc. I remember that sonic games back then was inspired by pop culture, hip-hop, rock n' roll, and things like that. Now a days sonic games is nothing but story lines that are filled with bullshit drama. The characters now a days is like take a huge streaming pile of shit in my eyes and ears. How does SEGA go from, Mighty the Armadillo, Bark the Polar Bear, Fang the Sniper/Weasel, the old Amy and Bean the Dynamiteall the way to Shadow the Hedgehog, Mephiles, that one purple cat bitch with the flames, that one raccoon whore with the green skirt, the new Amy and that fucking retarded "Big the Cat". The music now is fucking horrible.

For anyone who has owned a SEGA Saturn or a SEGA Dreamcast knows this feel.

[Anonymous No.957084]

>>957065
>"what the fuck happened"

Basically?
There were two guys in SEGA with a claim on Sonic, Yuji Naka and Naoto Oshima. Naoto Oshima wanted Sonic to stay happy go lucky while Naka wanted drama.

With Sonic Adventure, Naka's vision won out.

[Anonymous No.957096]

>>957084
That's sad.

[Anonymous No.957387]

>>957096
Yeah its a travesty. But when you think about it. he also had to evolve to fit in. had be always been as he was, then kids in this day and age might not have responded well to him. Hell they had to give them weapons and make them swear to get sales.

[Anonymous No.957426]

Yeah man... Sonic had this great type of style to his games back then... Not all that proto-mlp bullshit we see today. Its reached the point where it is embarrassing to tell people you are a Sanic fan...

[Anonymous No.957448]

>>957426
Yeah when I get into a conversation with people about sonic, I have to assure them that i am not a fan of that X series or any of that 06 bullshit, so they don't think I'm austistic or something.

[Anonymous No.957452]

First of all, stop using the word "nowadays".

Second, go play Sonic Colors or Generations.

>>957426
It reached that point around Adventure 2, which came out in 2001.

[Anonymous No.957457]

Let's hope Lost Worlds will be good. Post more retro Sonic art pls.

[Anonymous No.957465]

>>957452
Yeah. Adventure 2 is where I stopped. Because after Adventure 2 they started bringin in real shit like cream and even going as far as to give Big more fleshed out character development.

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[Anonymous No.957474]

>>957084
Well, I think Sonic Adventure 1 didn't have that much drama. Sonic Adventure 2, on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.957476]

>>957465
Okay gonna stop you right there. Big never got character development. He was always just a dumb cat who liked to hang out with a frog that may or may not hate him.

Also Sanic got his attitude back in Unleashed, which was semi-good, and Colors and Generations were great. He didn't become shit entirely, he just went through a period of shit games.

[Anonymous No.957491]

>>957457
Did you hear that villains' line from one of the latest trailers? The "lie down and die" one? It makes me less optimistic.

[Anonymous No.957506]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtCtQpclpY8
WAY PAST COOL

[Anonymous No.957507]

>>957491
I don't really care for the villains either, but the gameplay looks pretty good. Even if it does look a lot like Mario Galaxy.

[Anonymous No.957528]

>>957506
Urkel voice does not go well with a serious Sanic flick. Also as per the norm in these films, the villain is the only well casted character.

Also it's just completely terrible.

[Anonymous No.957606]

>>957457
Doubt it,

And winter and Christmas themed Sonic is my top favorite.

[Anonymous No.957624]

>>957457
Well, I guess it wont be bad. It looks like every other 3D Sonic title ever.

[Anonymous No.957627]

>>957387
>he also had to evolve to fit in
Fuck are you talking about? I haven't seen that big a difference in Super Mario games between now and then, and he's doing just fine.

SEGA brutally rapped a Sonic, which was a golden opportunity.

And they should've never taken the WW2 fighter pilot themed away from tails, oh yeah, and tails should have his own game again.

[Anonymous No.957675]

>>957457

[Anonymous No.957697]

>>957627
SEGA is afraid of Sonic having friends after people complained due to their abundance in the shitty era. Hell, Knuckles hasn't even shown his face in a long time.

[Anonymous No.957698]

>>957457

[Anonymous No.957704]

>>957065
>Mighty the Armadillo, Bark the Polar Bear, Fang the Sniper/Weasel
None of these characters were actually good.

[Anonymous No.957719]

>>957606
>winter and Christmas
>not liking summer and tropical spring break Sonic

[Anonymous No.957735]

>>957476
Well yeah I can see what you mean. But I guess what I meant to say was that he was used a little more. They threw him in Heroes and the X series.

[Anonymous No.957737]

>>957457

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[Anonymous No.957760]

>>957746
Why would sonic be taking the bus? Why would he even be in poverty?

[Anonymous No.957765]

>>957760
he spent all his gold rings on chili dogs and got diabetes and severe arthritis and no longer gotta go fast

[Anonymous No.957767]

>>957760
Top lel, SEGA killed his career.

But he stock broker now. Didn't you see his Ferrari, >>957627?

[Anonymous No.957772]

>>957765
My fucking sides have been wiped away from existence.

[Anonymous No.957787]

>>957457

[Anonymous No.957803]

>>957457

[Anonymous No.957817]

>>957735
Big is alright as long as you don't take him seriously. Putting him in a serious plot like that DS RPG was really dumb, but it was alright just having him as a silly side story in Adventure. Also I can forgive Big simply because his theme is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr6UUhHTHoM

[Anonymous No.957820]

>tfw sanic no longer about bru bru skies

[Anonymous No.957840]

I might be naive, but I thought Big was created after gameplay was designed for a fat slow character.

[Anonymous No.957859]

>>957840
How would that make sense? Big had his own levels in SA1 separate from the speed based levels the other characters had.

[Anonymous No.957872]

>>957840
I've heard Big's gameplay was added because SEGA Bass Fishing was popular, so maybe the idea of him being a cat (because they eat fish) came from there. Maybe hes fat to show the fishing gameplay would be slower, like it would look odd if Sonic sat around fishing.

[Anonymous No.957881]

>>957872
They just really really wanted people to buy the fishing rod controller, basically.

[Anonymous No.957883]

>>957084
The Sonic game with the best atmosphere was Sonic CD. Look to see who directed it, it was Naoto Oshima.

Why /vr/, why?

Also for nostalgia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC8W672mXc

[Anonymous No.957891]

>>957883
>The Sonic game with the best atmosphere was Sonic CD.
Too bad it sucked at everything else.

[Anonymous No.957904]

>>957891

>I'm terrible at Sonic CD so everything that sets it apart is it a shortcoming

stay pleb

[Anonymous No.957906]

>>957891
Not really, I'd put it on par with 2 and 3.

[Anonymous No.957907]

>>957904
>I have terrible taste in video games.
Stay fag.

[Anonymous No.957916]

>>957904
>>957891
It's subjective. It was much more platforming based rather than momentum and normal sanicing. If you can appreciate the focus on platforming and not always going fast you can enjoy CD. Yes it's different. Not necessarily bad, but a very different taste that may put some Sonic fans off.

[Anonymous No.957923]

>>957916
>Not enough gotta go fast
>Had plenty go fast and then some
Nigga, wut?

[Anonymous No.957924]

>>957923
Is that why the level design usually made it difficult to gotta go fast, even when you needed to?

[Anonymous No.957941]

>>957924
>Is that why the level design usually made it difficult to gotta go fast
>>The entire game is an obstacle course to keep you from getting the time stones
>fast forward 300 posts later
>No you're a fag because I said so. So therefore, you are not cool enough to wear red sneakers
>my shitty weeaboo j-pop is so much better than your stock elevator music

does anyone else find Eggman's facial hair irresistably sexy???

[Anonymous No.957939]

>>957924
Nigga wut? Did you even get to Metal Sonic? That's the most gotta go fast I ever had to get in a Sonic game.

It's starting to sound like you're saying it was too hard, while trying not to say it was too hard.

[Anonymous No.957943]

>>957939
>Did you even get to Metal Sonic?
Yes. He's a really boring boss, by the way.

>>957941
>No you're a fag because I said so. So therefore, you are not cool enough to wear red sneakers
>my shitty weeaboo j-pop is so much better than your stock elevator music
What are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.957949]

Every sonic thread in the last 6 years -

"I know every game since SA2 is horrible, but maybe (Insert Sonic Shovelware Title here) will be different.)

I have fond memories of those amazing sound effects and the speed of the maps. Sonic and Knuckles ate up so much of my time it's not even funny. But so did Comix Zone so take that as you will.

[Anonymous No.957958]

Daytime sections of Unleashed, Colors and Generations are all amazing games. Especially if you skip pointless cutscenes and go hard into 100%-ing the game, and getting competitive times on time-trial, gives me massive satisfaction

[Anonymous No.957961]

>>957943
>Metal Sonic
>Brings it like a mother fucker
>Nick name Metal Sonic 'Mother Fucker Jones' from now on
>This nigga still hating on SCD because it was too hard
>Wont admit it he thinks it's too hard

[Anonymous No.957963]

>>957961
I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that I thought it was hard. Is your projector having issues?

[Anonymous No.957968]

>>957961
Punch that sucker to death, c'mon now!

[Anonymous No.957973]

>I miss the late 90's sonic

But early 90's Sonic was the good one.

Sonic 3 + Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic the Movie

The best of the best.

[Anonymous No.957974]

>>957943

it's what all threads turn into once they age, especially Sonic or Megaman

a lot of opinions on this game are so subjective and poorly founded, like yours

[Anonymous No.957987]

>>957949
>comix zone is bad

drown in a bucket of pig cum faggot whore

[Anonymous No.957989]

>>957963
Like this dude said
>>957941
>The entire game is an obstacle course to keep you from getting the time stones
You can go fast like the old games it's just a little more difficult. Difficult isn't a bad thing. In fact I believe most people on /vr/ would think that's a good thing. You saying you couldn't get up to speed make's me think the game was to hard for you.

[Anonymous No.958012]

The late 90's was when Sonic went to shit IMO, we had the jump to 3D with 3D Blast and the focus on story with Adventure. Sure there were still some good games in that era but it was the beginning of the end

[Anonymous No.958030]

It's a shame, but at least we have 3 great platformers.

[Anonymous No.958036]

>>958012

By the mid 90s Sonic almost reached Mickey Mouse status and he was in a bunch of non main titles. It's probably what destroyed him so much.

Sonic Drift, Sonic Spinball, Sonic The Fighters, Sonic R/3D Blast, and SEGASonic are really bizarre additions to the franchise but I still like them.

[Anonymous No.958124]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1bz3ba8IlM

[Anonymous No.958170]

>>957949
You think Mario is any different? This is /vr/ take your bullshit elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.958209]

>>957084
This is true. Naoto Oshima really should've been the the Miyamoto equivalent to the Sonic series as it's guiding hand, the concept was his. Yuji Naka was a level designer, and didn't come up with the whole concept, so I don't know how the hell he became honored as the "father of Sonic". Sega bet on the wrong horse.

[Anonymous No.959167]

>>957949
But both Colors and Generations were great games, and Unleashed was at least half good.

[Anonymous No.959180]

Don't remind me OP

[Anonymous No.959186]

>>958209
The same way Keiji Inafune is wrongly considered to be the creator of Mega Man.

[Anonymous No.959305]

>>957949
Yeah no kidding. I have every file on my Sonic 3 + knuckles full. All emeralds and super emeralds.

Took a few days but was worth it. And I will be devastated when that backup battry goes dead.

[Anonymous No.959312]

>>957872
Bis was strictly comedic reliefe so it doesn't make sense to take the oddball out and make him a recurring character in games where he doesn't fit

[Anonymous No.959339]

I fucking love the older Sonic artwork. I wish I could find some sort of resource with all of it. What's available isn't usually in decent quality, usually low res stuff.

Is there some sort of artbook that has all this stuff in it? I'd e totally be willing to buy and scan.

[Anonymous No.959392]

>>959339
Yeah something about those colors and that environment made me feel some feels and wish i could be there.

[Anonymous No.959410]

>that one purple cat bitch with the flames
Okay, okay. I don't want to be that guy.
But I honestly think Blaze is one of the better Sonic characters. She's pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.959420]

From epic 90's icon into the figment of Autism
why?

>obligatory video
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0apQttNw0

[Anonymous No.959447]

mfw I read posts stating that sonic went downhill along the years - which I fully agree - but then they say it went downhill after SA1/2...

Sonic Adventure (DX) which I played on PC was atrocious. Besides the unnecessary story. With talking characters. I found the controls to be extremely horrible (played with a pad) and making sonic stay where I wanted was near impossible.
Sonic Heroes was just the same, they didn't do shit about it.
And btw SH and Sonic Unleashed may also be the worst games to play on a PS2 since they will start heating it in less than 15 minutes.

There's a lot of potential for Sonic in 3D graphics. I think Mirror's Edge type of gameplay with more speed would be the perfect fit for sonic. As it is, it sucks.

[Anonymous No.959451]

>>959339
Sonic CD for the PC has a lot of it in a folder.

[Anonymous No.959458]

>>958209
But the series wasn't even in Naka's control either. Cancelling Sonic Extreme is the prime example of this.

I think the problem with Sonic is that they didn't a person or team with creative control.

[Anonymous No.959767]

>>959420

I watched that video. Jesus CHRIST

[Anonymous No.959771]

>>959458
>Cancelling Sonic Extreme is the prime example of this.
Didn't Naka do everything in his power to kill Sonic Extreme because it was being made by an American studio?

Like refusing to let them use the NiGHTS into Dreams engine for the bosses and making them write their own?

[Anonymous No.959814]

>>959420
>autism meme bullshit
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.959835]

>>959339
It's from sonic jam and SEGA sonic. You go to the flea market or ebay, buy yourself a copy, have access to all the retro art work.

Not even joking, I made my girlfriend hold me tight while I cried in her arms because of the beautiful memories I had in the mid 90's.

[Anonymous No.959873]

>>957606
This,

When SEGA used to make Christmas special SEGA titles like, Christmas sonic, nights into dreams, phantasy star online, shenmue, and blue stinger, that's when SEGA was the shit. I really miss that element to their games.

[Anonymous No.959887]

>>959420
never fails to make me cringe

[Anonymous No.959898]

>>959814
You know it's true.

[Anonymous No.959903]

ive got a lot of these

gotta go slow

[Anonymous No.959910]

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[Anonymous No.959924]

>>959915
>weak point girls

[Anonymous No.959932]

>>959915
>weak point
>girls
>being this autistic enough to add something like that
I've never played a sonic game that mention anything about knuckles and girls, and even if they did I know damn straight knuckles would get so much pussy.

[Anonymous No.959943]

>>959932
>didn't have a saturn

[Anonymous No.959986]

>>959943
Please, elaborate.

[Anonymous No.959995]

>>959986
They're in-game images from sonic jam

[Anonymous No.960004]

>>959986
Fuckin' idiot

[Anonymous No.960023]

You know me, the fighting freak Knuckles
And we're at Pumpkin Hill, you ready

I ain't gonna let it get to me, I'm just gonna creep
Down in Pumpkin Hill, I gots to find my lost piece
I know that it's here, I can sense it in my feet
The great emerald's power allows me to feel
I can't see a thing, but it's around somewhere
I'm gonna hold my head 'cause I have no fear
This probably seems crazy, crazy, a graveyard theory
A ghost tried to approach me and he got leery
I ask him a question and he vanished in a second
I'm walking through valleys, cryin' pumpkins in the alley
Didn't seem happy, but they sure tried to get me
Had to back 'em up with the fist metal crack 'em
I'm hearin' someone sayin' you a chicken, don't be scared
It had to be the wind, 'cause nobody wasn't there
I search and I search as I climbed up the wall
And then I started to fly, I went in deeper

Let it get to me?, I'm just gonna creep
Down in Pumpkin Hill, I gots to find my lost piece
I know that it's here, I can sense it in my feet
The great emerald's power allows me to feel
I can't see a thing, but it's around somewhere
I'm gonna hold my head 'cause I have no fear
This probably seems crazy, crazy, a graveyard theory
A ghost tried to approach me and he got leery

This is Knuckles
I fear none
It's real deal when it comes to my name, kid

[Anonymous No.960589]

>>959910
>he can't swim
What. He swims just as well as the other characters.

[Anonymous No.962643]

>>957065
>that one purple cat bitch with the flames
See, that's the point where you just announced "I actually am completely uninformed and am just crying from Nostalgia", when you're complaining about the best character introduced since 1993.

[Anonymous No.962658]

>>960589
Nah, it's a whole thing.
>http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/sonic_the_hedgehog/news/revealed_why_sonic_cant_swim.html

The games are pretty consistent about that. They even give him little water wings in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games.

[Anonymous No.962668]

>>957065
Honestly OP it's gotten better in recent years. Colors and Generations did away with all the drama and were pretty much the best 3D games yet. And the official comic, which has been good for some years now after a long period of shit, is still going despite losing a ton of characters in a lawsuit. I also personally liked Sonic and the Black Knight because everything but the actual controls were perfect, story included.

Though none of that's really retro. At least you can always have the Genesis/Game Gear games and CD.

[Anonymous No.962671]

>>960589
Nah, it's the whole reason for the water levels. Yuji Naka for some reason thought Hedgehogs couldn't swim (they're actually great swimmers, he apologized for this when he realised it), so Sonic has to trudge through walking slowly on water and try not to drown, as opposed to Mario swimming happily.

This then became the standard gameplay, which is why no other character can swim either.

[Anonymous No.963384]

>>957506
Why does this exist?

[Anonymous No.963409]

>>962671
>which is why no other character can swim either.
Tails aside.

[Anonymous No.963423]

>>963409
More as an extension of his flight, much like how Knuckles can glide underwater. But yeah, I suppose so.

[Screwy !BDcKesnEik No.963489]

>tfw I grew up with a Dreamcast
I fucking know that feel

[Anonymous No.965168]

>>957065

Actually, these colorful, naive-looking Sonic drawings are from a female illustrator at Sega, they're not Naoto Oshima's works.
I'm not sure if she's still working at Sega, but she's obviously not working with Sonic Team anymore.

Anyway, these drawings weren't known in the west until Sonic Jam came out.

[Anonymous No.965185]

>Now a days sonic games is nothing but story lines that are filled with bullshit drama
The only ones that did this were Adventure 2 (which wasn't badly done), Shadow (which wasn't a Sonic game) and 06 (which actually had some of the best characterization in the series despite everything else being shit). The rapid decline in gameplay starting with the Saturn and ending with 06 (inclusive, of course), coupled with Sega as a whole imploding at around the same time, combined with the supercool edgy hero with attitude of the 90s falling out of style are all what killed Sonic's mainstream fanbase.

[Anonymous No.965282]

Can you feel the sunshine Sonic?? ;_;

[Anonymous No.965396]

>>957065

fuck, i hate everything post-retro sonic, i did had a sega saturn and that fucking image perfectly portrays what the 3d sonic games were like on the console, places where you wish you could be there yourself

i fucking want to be on that multi-colored building so much

[Anonymous No.965461]

>>965396

It hurts doesn't it?

the Sonic Screensaver was so awesome, it came with all of these neat pictures and animations

[Anonymous No.965514]

>>957065

>purple cat bitch with the flames
>dissing Blaze

Dem are fighting words, man. I too regard Genesis games as best Sonic games but Blaze is one of the few new characters that's actually cool.

[Anonymous No.965526]

>>965514

I don't think itty bitty kitty titties is /vr/ related

but please go on

[Anonymous No.965835]

>>959186
At least Keji has done good with that franchise.

[Anonymous No.965846]

>>959898
It's true... that you are underage.

>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.965889]

>>957698
I want to be in that concert then go to the SEGA Saturn building afterwards.