/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9560705]

what is sega master system? was it ever a competitor to the nes, like mega drive was to snes?

[Anonymous No.9560712]

>>9560705
It outsold NES in almost every part of the world.

[Anonymous No.9560719]

>>9560705
You mean the sega base system?

[Anonymous No.9560724]

br here.
the whole "omg master system is still popular in Brazil!" is actually a meme. Yes we do have a manufacturer called tectoy who has the license for sega stuff and yes they kept making master systems (as well as mega drive), but master system was never as popular as memes made you believe it was. In actual times when it could have been popular it was vastly overshadowed by famiclones (which can't be calculated in quantities sold for obvious pirate reasons, but believe me, for every kid who had a master, 50 had a famiclone).
Master system was mostly the low cost sega console aunts and grandmas would get when kids asked for "the Sega" (meaning the mega drive, which is what kids wanted in the 90s, not the Master)
By the late 90s/early 00s, chipped playstations were super affordable thanks to very cheap bootleg games, and K62 computers let everyone play games on PC for cheap also thanks to piracy (and cyber cafes with LAN)
Master system was never a real mvp as people were made to believe. Sorry for breaking the illusion of brazil being magical master system land.

[Anonymous No.9560849]

>>9560724
but last time I went to to Brazil everyone was carrying around a master system, even in public. Some people were carrying several of them. If I got on a bus with 30 people I would see like 47 master systems

[Anonymous No.9560851]

>>9560724
I get what you mean. It's like kangaroos being in every single Australian's backyard, but there has to be a reason for the meme though.

[Anonymous No.9560864]

>>9560849
>>9560851
it's copypasta retards

[Anonymous No.9560867]

>>9560705
It was the most successful NES competitor, considering all games for it Sega had to create in-house because of Nintendo monopoly madness

[Anonymous No.9560869]

>>9560864
Alright, but explain Tectoy

[Anonymous No.9560878]

In some european countries the Master System was more popular than the NES. Thanks to price and marketing. That's why European Master System catalog is massive compared to US. I was a NES/SNES kid but most of my childhood frieds had Sega consoles.

[Anonymous No.9560886]

>>9560864
i don't care

[Anonymous No.9560892]

>>9560705
It's basically the sega system without the eternally booty blasted seething of a faggot who tried and failed way to hard to force a maymay.

[Anonymous No.9560931]

>>9560705
It's exactly the same as the NES. It looks different though and has different games, and is owned by another company. But apart from that it's exactly the same with no changes at all

[Anonymous No.9560939]

>>9560705
>what is sega master system?
An 8bit console by Sega. Has some interesting features over the competitors, like more colors and vibrancy and some fun games.
>was it ever a competitor to the nes, like mega drive was to snes?
Technically yes but in practice no. To compete with the NES it wasn't enough to sell decently, or even good. You would have to sell astronomical amounts of stock. The Master System only ever sold decently.

[Anonymous No.9560959]

The Master System port of R-Type was the first videogame I owned. Here in my small town in Scotland, I'd say the kids I knew were divided roughly 50/50 between owning a Master System or a NES. I played Zelda 1 and SMB 2 at a friend's house, and while I did enjoy them, they didn't fill me with envy or make me regret my Master System. I did have a Game Boy, however, and when the 16-bit consoles came around I opted for a SNES, perhaps because I always, even at a very early age, had a powerful instinctive aversion to Sonic and his gay little universe.

[Anonymous No.9561003]

>>9560724
> Sorry for breaking the illusion

I consider this plot to be a part of the series

[Anonymous No.9561205]

>>9560705
>was it ever a competitor to the nes

[Anonymous No.9561212]

>>9560724
not really surprising. You only hear about this in 4chan where we constantly try to rewrite history

[Anonymous No.9561227]

>>9560705
It was popular in the early 90s for poorfag parents in Europe. It had a lot of actually quite well made megadrive ports. Alien Storm was great on this thing, somehow.

[Anonymous No.9561326]

best sms game

[Anonymous No.9561341]

>>9560724
This might have been different in different regions of the country. Back in the early 90s I had an SMS and every other kid I knew either also had one, or they were still stuck with an Atari 2600 (likely the clone made by CCE or something). I only knew one kid that had an NES, I have no idea if it was a legit one or a clone, the carts were legit though. I never saw more than one famiclone, if the thing I saw even was one, definitely not enough to overshadow anything.

[Anonymous No.9561416]

It stuffed because it didn't offer enough meaningful technical advantage over the NES and Sega were total dumbasses anyway. Only in some PAL markets did it succeed.

[Anonymous No.9561438]

>shit sound
>ok they had the FM chip in Japan but that was removed from Western models of the console
>couldn't h/w flip sprites (instead the less useful ability to h/w flip tiles)
>higher color depth meant you needed larger ROMs to get the same amount of content as a NES game
>most games were low budget jank
>Alex Kidd being a really dorky "mascot"
>never had a chance in NTSC regions due to Nintendo's overwhelming dominance
>distributed in the US by Tonka Toys who didn't know how to market vidya and wouldn't localize actually good SMS games like Bubble Bobble
And that covers everything.

[Anonymous No.9561550]

Western European, people I've known who had an SMS: 2.
People I've known who had an NES: everyone else.

It seems that its success differs greatly country to country as about each country had its own distributor.

I also do not trust wikipedia sales figures. It's always sources that are based on estimates, or sources to some vidya history book which itself does not cite its sources, etc
I also wouldn't doubt Sega (or anyone else) to be capable of lying to the general public and inflate the numbers

[Anonymous No.9561597]

>>9560705
No. Nintendo's anti-competitive practices would have been pretty laughable if it was

[Anonymous No.9561828]

>>9560705
It's a weird system. Absolutely NO reasons to have it over the NES during the time, or even now. It's a good supplement to the NES.

>better graphics than NES
>comfortable controller
>interesting games not found on the NES

NES still blows it out of the water for the games. It just couldn't compete.

[Anonymous No.9561865]

>>9561828
Confortable controller?!?

Everything but this!
The only good master system controller is a Mega Drive controller

[Anonymous No.9561882]

>>9561326

[Anonymous No.9561887]

>>9561865
Compared to the NES it is.

[Anonymous No.9561913]

>>9561438
Yet

[Anonymous No.9561953]

>>9561913
sega was always mid

[Chud Anon No.9561976]

>>9560724
stale copypasta

>>9561341
People have called him out for this in numerous threads, he just posts copypasta and never responds to other br's calling him wrong

[Anonymous No.9561985]

>>9561953
I didn't even know one person who owned a NES growing up. Now when SNES launched that was a different story. Odd how a worse Nintendo console somehow became more popular down here.

[Anonymous No.9562008]

>>9561985
They just didn't know any better, the NES has a massive library of classic games, Sega had Sonic, sportslop and inferior ports

[Anonymous No.9562024]

>>9561326
You're only saying this because you're jewish and MJ called you out.

[Anonymous No.9562045]

Thanks for at least being non-partisan in your wrong-think deletion, jannies.

[Anonymous No.9562051]

why are comments being deleted ?

[Anonymous No.9562053]

>>9562008
>Sega had Sonic
It had a hell of a lot more than that and some of the arcade ports were actually good.

[Anonymous No.9562054]

>>9562051
Jannies are trannies.

[Anonymous No.9562097]

>>9562008
>inferior ports
The arcade conversions on SMS were generally better than what NES got.
SMS R-Type is better than any shmup on the NES, for example.

>NES has a massive library of classic games,
NES = quantity
SMS = quality
And as the old saying goes, quantity > quality.

[Anonymous No.9562101]

>>9562053
>It had a hell of a lot more than that
quantity over quality, there's a reason everybody remembers the nintendo classics while the only people who remember sega games that aren't sonic are 40-something europeans/thirdworlders

[Anonymous No.9562108]

>>9562101
>while the only people who remember Sega games are 3rd worlders
That's because they were released in our country you poor Yankee.

[Anonymous No.9562121]

Why is almost every PSG song on this system really high pitched?

[Anonymous No.9562125]

>>9562108
They were released in NA and Japan too, they just got mogged hard by Nintendo's titles.

[Anonymous No.9562193]

>>9560712
By "every part of the world" he means Brasil and nowhere else.

[Anonymous No.9562201]

>>9560892
>the sega system
Oh boy, here we go.

[Anonymous No.9562212]

I prefer the SG-1000 personally

[Anonymous No.9562375]

>>9561438
sms was better,\ and it was a hit in europe, now cope

[Anonymous No.9562386]

>>9562193
Europe and Australia.

[Anonymous No.9562390]

>>9562125
Lol @ this dude lying.

[Anonymous No.9562421]

>>9562193
>what is europe
cope some more

[Anonymous No.9563502]

>>9560712
>>9562386
>>9562421
It outsold the NES in the UK and Australia, for most of Western Europe it was generally on par with the NES, in Eastern Europe the NES and MS did fuckall and the market was lead by Famiclones.
MS had some popularity in Brazil, but like anywhere else rife with bootlegging and counterfeits, Famiclones reigned supreme there as well, TecToy never dominated anything with their licensed Sega stuff.

[Anonymous No.9563527]

>>9563502
I'd really like to know the point of view of UK posters we were there to know if it fits with this scenario.
Yes I know, one point of view isn't fact, but many concurring point of views start to become something close to a fact that is imo as reliable as "wikipedia sales numbers" with shady sources

[Anonymous No.9563537]

>>9563527
I grew up in Australia and went from 2600 to sms. Everyone I knew had a master system. Prime time television shows would constantly use the Alex Kidd in Miracle World death sound effect when something went wrong.

[Anonymous No.9563539]

>>9560705
It was pretty popular down here, mate.

[Anonymous No.9565049]

>>9563502
sms was more popular than the nes in europe, deal with it

[Anonymous No.9565079]

>>9563539
Wasnt there also some version of the sms with alex kid build in?

[Anonymous No.9565370]

>>9565049
It was completely dead in Northern Europe and Eastern Europe.

[Anonymous No.9565403]

>>9565370
>shit parts of europe
who cares, go back to ur famiclone dimitri, babushka is waiting

[Anonymous No.9565426]

>>9565403
That's not exactly an argument, especially considering the UK itself is a giant sized garbage barge. Europe is Europe, and sales varied by country, the Master System simply did not dominate across the board like it did in Britain, any other assertion is bitter cope by people who are unable to let go of insipid schoolyard arguments driven by crass marketing.

[Anonymous No.9565551]

>>9565079
I traded my og master system for the master system 2 because it had built in Alex Kidd.

[Anonymous No.9565559]

>>9565426
I thought Brits only played games on they speccies until the mid 90's.

[Anonymous No.9565664]

>>9565559
The poorest did, but even they moved on eventually. Nintendo had dogshit distribution in the UK at the time which left the games overpriced.
Sega, meanwhile, actually priced games competitively, so on average they were a lot more popular.

[Anonymous No.9565702]

>>9562108
Inferior to the Genesis version.

>>9562390
Inferior to the Game Gear version.

>>9565079
Master System IIs came with it.
By US Master System I has Hang-On and some shooter game built in.

[Anonymous No.9565727]

>>9565426
>Master System simply did not dominate
what is
france
portugal
spain
germany

[Anonymous No.9565731]

>>9565702
>game gear version
Shit resolution
>inferior to Genesis version
They're different games but I prefer master system. Genesis doesn't doesn't have paralax scrolling.

[Anonymous No.9565736]

>>9565731
>Shit resolution
It's the same game, anon, except that the GG has better colors.

[Anonymous No.9565936]

>>9563527
Me and my cousin were the only people I knew with a NES, literally everyone else had a master system then a mega drive. It really seemed that Sega absolutely dominated the home console market but Nintendo still had a bigger cultural presence probably because of American media

[Anonymous No.9565965]

>>9565736
Master System games are in 256x192 which is more than twice as many pixels as the Game Gear's 160x144.

[Anonymous No.9566097]

>>9565965
Yeah... and?
It's on a portable 3" screen.

[Anonymous No.9566110]

>>9561205
>the speccy was still the third best selling system in 1990
fucking grim

[Anonymous No.9566135]

>>9566097
As a consequence the games are a lot more "zoomed in" which can be especially bad in a game where you're supposed to go fast.

[Anonymous No.9566153]

>>9566135
>you're supposed to go fast.
Go fast? There's no blast processing on the SMS.
You can't even get Sonic to roll and you can't recollect lost rings.

>which can be especially bad
It's good, because the game is harder.
The Master System version was simply too easy.

[Anonymous No.9566164]

>>9566153
You can roll, you just can't spindash. Not until sonic chaos at least

[Anonymous No.9566174]

>>9566164
Spindash!
Thank you! That's the word I couldn't seem to remember.

I have Triple Trouble on the GG and you can do it in that.

[Anonymous No.9566252]

Best Sega conse. Peaked early. Everything else after sucked.

That's right the Saturn sucked. Live with it. A slow ugly rush job. Everything sega ever did.

[Anonymous No.9566264]

>>9566252
>Best Sega conse.
That's not a Genesis.

>That's right the Saturn sucked. Live with it.
You're not blowing anyone's mind with this, bud.
You're not Moses coming back from Sinai, we all know this.

[Anonymous No.9566525]

>>9560705
For what I gathered in Eastern Europe it was more popular than the NES while Eastern Europe was all about the Famiclones.
In North America and Japan the NES was the shit, even here in South America where most YouTubers meme the MasterSystem as being more popular, reality was that the Famiclones reigned supreme, everybody knows Mario, Contra, Pooyan, Popeye, etc.

[Anonymous No.9566529]

>>9560705
NES sold 62M units while the MS sold 20M, you tell me.

[Anonymous No.9566609]

>>9566252
The Mega Drive was the best thing Sega ever did, and is still one of the best consoles ever made.
The Saturn was certainly handled incredibly poorly, with circumstances being rough even before it would launch, but I prefer looking at the silver linings.

>>9566110
The British economy was a little tight around then, so an increasingly inexpensive machine with super easy piracy had a lasting appeal. Many of the games are pretty dull or even shitty, but there's some pretty decent ones which are easy enough to find because they got pirated the most, even if the scene had a lot of shovelware (what popular system didn't though).
Famiclones and even bootleg Master Systems were a thing you'd see here and there in Britain in those days, so options did get better even on the cheap end, and even if the ZX Spectrum was a bit weak, the Commodore 64 was just as easy to pirate for but had much better games (the best stuff was NES and MS tier), so it was really popular, and probably the best value for your money in that market.

>>9566525
If you think about it, the Famiclones prolific in Eastern Europe is almost like Nintendo doing really well in that market, except they get fucked out of all the money by pirate gopniks, which is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.9566660]

>>9565727
There's like over 40 countries in Europe alone, some where Sega did really well, some where they didn't, and many where they competed closely with Nintendo, or with Nintendo otherwise having a fairly strong presence in spite of Sega doing a lot better than them.

>>9566529
B-But the NES was only popular in America!

[Anonymous No.9566726]

>>9565727
>france

SMS did not "dominate" in France

according to wikipedia numbers it was 60% NES, 40% SMS

according to personal experience it was 90% NES, 10% SMS

[Anonymous No.9566758]

>>9566726
I've never liked a frenchie and ro learn they were pro Nintendo further cements this.

[Anonymous No.9566762]

>>9566153
Sonic on sms was fast. Have you played the first level of Sonic 1?

[Anonymous No.9567138]

>>9566762
On GG, yeah. Not on SMS.

[Anonymous No.9568058]

>>9566726
SMS dominated in countries it wasn't even available in because sega does what nintenDON'T

[Anonymous No.9568413]

>>9566726
>SMS did not "dominate" in France
>according to wikipedia numbers it was 60% NES, 40% SMS
>according to personal experience it was 90% NES, 10% SMS
>wikipedia
lol

[Anonymous No.9568462]

>>9568413
So what's your source, gut feeling, or an anecdote like this?

[Anonymous No.9570334]

>>9566726
but Italy and Spain yes

[Anonymous No.9570358]

>>9561887
No, it's not.
2 buttons less (pause button is on the console!!!), mushy action buttons prone to get stuck and awful squared d-pad. There wasn't the worst for the time (Atari's one was way worse) but leagues beyond the perfect Nintendo NES controller

[Anonymous No.9570365]

>>9570334
Italy for sure. For personal experience was like 70/30.

[Anonymous No.9570416]

How is the dpad on this thing? I heard it's bad. Should I get a master system controller for my Genesis or should I use my wireless Famicom controller? It would be cool to have the original

[Anonymous No.9570434]

What is SG-1000? Was this thing ever successful anywhere? Was it like Atari 5200 and ColecoVision level of power? What games did it even have?

[Anonymous No.9570456]

>>9560705
The SMS color palette looks bad and the music is all the same chirpy blips. But what really set the NES apart is the mapper chips. Kirby's Adventure is leagues beyond the best Sega System game.

[Anonymous No.9570465]

>>9570434
Jeremy Parish did an entire series about SG-1000 and ever game for it.

[Anonymous No.9570538]

>>9570456
? Ninja Gaiden looks substantially better than that game.

[Anonymous No.9570668]

>>9563527
Bong here, can confirm the Master System ruled over here in the late 80's.
I only knew one person with a NES and he was Japanese so he used to get new games sent over from Japan literally years before they came out here, release dates were insanely staggered back then.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the Master System and still do but Super Mario Bros was a major killer app, I used to go to Toymaster/Toys R Us just to play it on the demo machine.
When the SNES finally came out bundled with Super Mario World it was impossible to resist.

[Anonymous No.9570672]

>>9570434
It has almost identical hardware as the ColecoVision.

[Anonymous No.9570689]

>>9570416
It depends on the game, it was fine for some but terrible for others.
I definitely wouldn't recommend using one for Genesis games.
t. OG Master System owner who uses a SNES pad to play emulated MS games!

[Anonymous No.9571197]

>>9570456
Surely this is bait or rose tinted cope, yeah Kirby looked good but 99% of MS games had much better sound and graphics than NES games.

[Anonymous No.9571510]

>>9560719
I wonder what happened to sega system anon, it's been a while

[Anonymous No.9571519]

>>9560878
in the UK the only friends I had that had a NES were those that were a bit better off. Us pleb kids had the SMS.

[Anonymous No.9571532]

>>9571197
Sound is debatable. Most of the non FM games have really shrill sound even though PSG can sound much better.

[Anonymous No.9571570]

>>9560878
Here in Sweden (and apparently the rest of Scandinavia), Nintendo was the big thing and Sega was much rarer. They got around, I've seen clearance bins with old Mega Drive sports game once or twice, so people were buying them, but I personally saw only one Mega Drive console ever as a kid, otherwise it was NES, SNES, Game Boy, N64, and then of course PC and PSX.

I was actually kind of bummed about that, because I did occasionally hear about Sega games from kids at school and that they were different in a cool way, and I had seen the Sonic cartoons on TV, but the games were just not anywhere and I never got to try them. At the time, this felt like this mythical counterpart which had simply eluded me, and I wondered about it sometimes.
Until the very late 90s and early 2000s that is, when emulation really began taking off, not only did I now have free access to the fabled SNES which I had only ever gotten to try out a few times, but now the Mega Drive actually was within my grasp. The first game I tried was Shining Force, and I was SO hooked, I would play nothing but that game for a month.

Emulation got pretty popular around my circles, because it was endless free games, people would check out the consoles they never had when they were younger, or titles they missed for the ones they did have. It also worked as Early Access, I got to play Pokémon before it launched here, and then Gen 2 before it even left Japan (with a shitty and half done fan translation, of course).