/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9525881]

what is the appeal of virtua fighter? the roster is generic as fuck
why did it sell almost 2 million copies in japan

[Anonymous No.9525895]

3D fighters were the new dope shit to the point that series transitioned to 3D (on a 3D plane as well) that shouldn't have. MK4 coming to mind as being one of those. Hell the PS1 launched with a crappy 3D fighter probably because they felt like they needed one with Virtua Fighter around.

[Anonymous No.9525902]

>>9525881
Sega marketing

[Anonymous No.9525904]

>>9525881
It's incredible when played competitively in a crowded arcade.

[Anonymous No.9525939]

>>9525881
Simple and accessible controls with incredible competitive depth

[Anonymous No.9525942]

>>9525881
Shit was just different back then homey

[Anonymous No.9525956]

>>9525881
>so much people like this good game, but I'm different
literaly kys

[Anonymous No.9525980]

>>9525956
>so much people
kys pedro

[Anonymous No.9525985]

>>9525881
It's a tech demo

[Anonymous No.9525997]

It has unmatched gameplay. Unfortunately, most people care more about how cool a character looks.

[Anonymous No.9526002]

>>9525881
>what is the appeal of virtua fighter?
Back then the 3D effect was neat, though personally I wasn't really interested in it.
was hard going from cool backgrounds like SF2 and MK to those 3D arena fighters with their low res very far away skylines.

[Anonymous No.9526112]

>>9525881
ITT games zoomers will never understand

[Anonymous No.9526117]

>>9525985
/thread

[Anonymous No.9526139]

>>9525881
It's so good that CAPCOM is making Virtua Fighter 6

[Anonymous No.9526150]

It was good for the 90s but it's not the 90s anymore

[Anonymous No.9526154]

>>9525904
>>9525939
>>9525942
>>9525956
>>9525997
>>9526112
How do I know none of you have touched a VF game or arcade cabinet in your lives? No one plays VF even ironically.

[Anonymous No.9526204]

VF2 and VF3 both were graphical revolutions combined with deep competitive gameplay. VF4 revolutionized the arcade scene with ranked online play, progression and unlockable customization items while the gameplay was improved further.

[Anonymous No.9526208]

>>9526154
You weren't there and you don't know shit, zoomer. Everybody played the VF cabinet when it came out, that shit was too cool

[Anonymous No.9526230]

It was the first significant good 3D fighter dude. What the fuck do you think?

[Anonymous No.9526235]

>>9525881
>first 3D fighter ever created and the most graphically impressive game up to that point
>"what is the appeal?"
Please go away and never come back. Talking about video games is not for you.

[Anonymous No.9526243]

>>9526208
Fapping to Sarah is not "playing the VF cabinet"

[Anonymous No.9526250]

>>9526243
Zoom along, faggot

[Anonymous No.9526252]

>>9526235
Gameplay though. VF's rock-paper-scissor system is arguably as ingenious as SF2's combos or Tekken's four limbs four buttons if not more.

[Anonymous No.9526253]

VF will never be alive even if it's the second coming of gid because Sega releases it to console years after the game was in arcades, if at all. We never ever got VF4 Final Tuned and VF5 revisions were split between consoles until Final Showdown years later.

[Anonymous No.9526254]

>>9526208
Nice LARP

[Anonymous No.9526261]

>>9526204
See picrel >>9526150

[Anonymous No.9526263]

>>9526252
At the most basic level, the OP shows dismissive ignorance that immediately demonstrates he knows nothing about the game's overall significance to gaming.
Therefore he is a gay and needs to leave forever.

[Anonymous No.9526268]

>>9526254
You think it's a larp because you weren't there.

[Anonymous No.9526269]

>>9526230
And then better titles came along
>>9526250
>>9526268
I accept your concession
>>9526263
You've never played it to know, either, because no one plays it. It's famous for being a game everyone talks about but no one actually plays.

[Anonymous No.9526271]

Virtua Fighter is useless since Tekken exists. I get it was "kewl" for people of a certain age to see 3D for the first time, but it was quickly replaced by a better game

[Anonymous No.9526272]

>>9526269
There is no better 3D fighting game than VF4

[Anonymous No.9526273]

>>9526269
>You've never played it to know, either, because no one plays it. It's famous for being a game everyone talks about but no one actually plays.
Are you saying that I need to play a game to know basic facts about its significance to video gaming?

[Anonymous No.9526280]

>>9526272
*laughs in kekken 3*
>>9526273
At least you admit you've never actually played the game. That's more than any VF shill will admit.

[Anonymous No.9526283]

>>9526271
Shitty murrican opinion that sounds the same as a spic saying that SF is useless because KoF exists.

[Anonymous No.9526286]

>>9526280
>At least you admit you've never actually played the game. That's more than any VF shill will admit.
Can't you at least read posts before you start lashing out at them? Why are you even replying to me I'm not saying anything that's related to the point you're trying to make

[Anonymous No.9526287]

>>9526269
Go away, zoomie

[Anonymous No.9526290]

>>9526283
You're a westerner yourself

[Anonymous No.9526296]

>>9526271
VF is a better game at its core than tekken tho
Movement in tekken is and always has been Utter dogshit

[Anonymous No.9526302]

>>9525895
Battle Arena Toshenden was legit at the time. To be honest I haven't played it in 25 years.

[Anonymous No.9526303]

>>9526286
Oh I can read just fine. And I still know you're full of shit and nothing but a shill.
>>9526287
Have you run out of arguments already?
>>9526296
Factually incorrect but ok

[Anonymous No.9526308]

>>9526154
Dude, I'm fuckin 40. I've been skulking around arcades since before your dad ran out on your mom. Don't tell me what I haven't fuckin done. I have half a mind to find your mom on tinder, take her out for a nice meal, make an honest woman out of her, give her the best orgasm she's had in years, have you guys move into my place, make you call me "Stepdaddy Luke" and then wake you up at 6am every Saturday morning so you can now my fuckin lawn. Teach you the value of a dollar, you sure as fuck weren't gonna learn it from your deadbeat father. Fuckin zoomer piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.9526309]

>>9526303
>Oh I can read just fine. And I still know you're full of shit and nothing but a shill.
It's honestly really weird and creepy when people start coming up with headcanons about you. Also weird when people don't realize how unhinged they sound

[Anonymous No.9526312]

>Dude, I'm fuckin 40. I've been skulking around arcades since before your dad ran out on your mom. Don't tell me what I haven't fuckin done. I have half a mind to find your mom on tinder, take her out for a nice meal, make an honest woman out of her, give her the best orgasm she's had in years, have you guys move into my place, make you call me "Stepdaddy Luke" and then wake you up at 6am every Saturday morning so you can now my fuckin lawn. Teach you the value of a dollar, you sure as fuck weren't gonna learn it from your deadbeat father. Fuckin zoomer piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.9526316]

>>9526302
Literally who

[Anonymous No.9526317]

>>9526154
I did play VF but really no one in USA played VF. It was in the back next to Wing War and GLock while Super SF 2 and MK2 were up front sucking quarters. That is the way I remember it.

[Anonymous No.9526319]

>>9526303
No you're right, movement in tekken is great. I love games that require practice to reliably do what can be done immediately and intuitively in nearly every other game that has ever existed: move
You've clearly never played tekken so I'm not gonna bother talking to you anymore

[Anonymous No.9526324]

>>9526316
Zoom along, this board is for people who were there and everybody who was there remembers toshinden
It was one of the earliest Playstation killer apps, everybody had it, just like Crash and Jet Moto

[Anonymous No.9526327]

>>9526280
Tekken 3 was the best only during it's time and generation. VF4 made it outdated the next decade but no further game progressed the genre any more.

[Anonymous No.9526328]

>>9526309
It's not a headcanon if it's provably true that no one plays VF
>>9526319
Now I know you've never played a single 3D fighting game if you think fucking movement shouldn't take any practice.
Kinda sounding like the zoomers you claim to hate.
>>9526324
You just admitted you're 25, you were never there.

[Anonymous No.9526330]

>>9526250
>>9526208
>Everybody played the VF cabinet when it came out
This poster is the same guy who in the X-Men vs. SF thread made up the scenario that "in the 90's nobody ever played more than one fighting game series because they were so fiercely loyal"

He's full of shit lmao.

[Anonymous No.9526331]

>>9526327
Nice fanfiction. Where can I read more?

[Anonymous No.9526335]

>>9526328
>Now I know you've never played a single 3D fighting game if you think fucking movement shouldn't take any practice.
Tekken is literally the only 3D fighting game where movement alone requires practice
In VF it is intuitive and simple
In soulcalibur it is intuitive and simple
In DoA it is intuitive and simple
In tekken players spend hours just practicing the basic skills of creating space and closing distance because tekken movement is jank as fuck and always has been
You are an absolute retard, BTFO

[Anonymous No.9526337]

>>9526330
It wasn't hard to tell he's a larper. No VF shill actually plays the games.

[Anonymous No.9526339]

>>9526330
Meds

[Anonymous No.9526340]

>Tekken is literally the only 3D fighting game where movement alone requires practice
>In VF it is intuitive and simple
>In soulcalibur it is intuitive and simple
>In DoA it is intuitive and simple
>In tekken players spend hours just practicing the basic skills of creating space and closing distance because tekken movement is jank as fuck and always has been
>You are an absolute retard, BTFO

[Anonymous No.9526341]

>>9526154
I loved virtua fighter 2 and only ever encountered it in an arcade lol

[Anonymous No.9526342]

>>9526340
We don't post pictures of ourselves here

[Anonymous No.9526343]

I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to play Virtua Fighter. Seems mad sus.
Criminals often scope out houses before robbing them to see if it's worth it, then they list that stuff on craigslist to launder their money.

[Anonymous No.9526346]

>>9526331
If you weren't there then you may at least check old mag articles, reviews and interviews. I don't expect you to actually play them and see for yourself because context and knowledge matter.

[Anonymous No.9526347]

>>9526342
>i'm rubber you're glue
For a so-called boomer, you sure like to argue like the zoomer strawman in your head.

[Anonymous No.9526350]

>>9526346
Even in those magazines, it was always just a blurb in the corner.
>I don't expect you to actually play them and see for yourself because context and knowledge matter.
How many times do I have to try to bring you back down to reality? No one plays Virtua Fighter.

[Anonymous No.9526351]

>>9526343
>Criminals often scope out houses before robbing them to see if it's worth it, then they list that stuff on craigslist to launder their money.
The only thing I'm about to rob you of is your quarters.

[Anonymous No.9526353]

>>9526347
BTFO
T
F
O

[Anonymous No.9526354]

>>9526353
You already threw in the towel. Please don't embarrass yourself further.

[Anonymous No.9526356]

>>9526350
Shit was different back then homey...

[Anonymous No.9526358]

>>9526350
Why do you get entertainment out of negatively affecting conversations?

[Anonymous No.9526363]

>>9526154
Wrong, consolemonkey. Nobody had a Saturn, but everyone played VF in the arcade

[Anonymous No.9526367]

What's with the moon man jumps in Virtua Fighter? Are they fighting on the moon?

[Anonymous No.9526368]

>>9526328
Seek help unironically.

[Anonymous No.9526371]

>>9526367
I think it was technical limitations? Same reason you couldn't side-step until maybe 3 or 4.
Tekken was like that, too.

[Anonymous No.9526372]

>>9526324
I was confused by this response. I didn't have a Playstation but all my friends did and they were pretty insistent Toshenden was where it was at. We had fun. I am guessing it was good enough for the time as they had sequels and good sales but probably wasn't the best among the wash of 3d fighters, because they are largely ignored/forgotten.

[Anonymous No.9526374]

>>9526350
Cool headcanon

[Anonymous No.9526375]

>>9526367
You haven't played any VF games other than VF1 and VF2?

[Anonymous No.9526376]

>muh Kekken
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.9526379]

>>9526354
>n-no you g-gave up
BTFO
T
F
O

[Anonymous No.9526385]

>>9526376
Not retro...

[Anonymous No.9526389]

>>9526385
Might as well be, neither of those series has meaningfully evolved since the 90s
They just look prettier now

[Anonymous No.9526390]

>>9526389
As a fan of both, this.

[Anonymous No.9526392]

>>9526371
Hell I remember the side-step in Tekken 3 and Tag being hella clunky. To be fair, VF3's dodge button was like that until they put a proper side-step in 4.
t. one of those millennials who prefers the older games to the new stuff

[Anonymous No.9526393]

>>9526367
What's with the moon man jumps in Tekken?

[Anonymous No.9526395]

>>9526376
What is this supposed to prove?

[Anonymous No.9526398]

>>9526393
This was my guess but >>9526371
It's just the way older 3D titles were

[Anonymous No.9526402]

>>9526393
Tekken is literally a worse VF clone with edgy anime aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.9526404]

>>9526379
Anon you're embarrassing yourself

[Anonymous No.9526409]

>>9526395
Not that anon but they put a clip that looks like a kung fu movie against a clip that looks like a seziure-off, I think the intended meaning is fairly clear

[Anonymous No.9526415]

>>9526404
>y-you're emb-b-b-
B T F O
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W
N THE FUCK OUT

[Anonymous No.9526416]

>>9526415
You have to be 18 or older to post here

[Anonymous No.9526417]

>>9526402
>edgy anime aesthetic
Tekken didn't have this until like 5th or 6th installment.

[Anonymous No.9526421]

>>9526416
>y-you're underage!
BBBBBBBB
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FFFFFFFF
OOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.9526425]

>>9526392
Tekken 3 sidesteps work good because of smaller hurtboxes. It's modern Tekken games where sidestep evades are far less viable because of huge hurtboxes and autoaiming moves.

[Anonymous No.9526429]

>>9526425
Ehh, it was more of a chore to sidestep in 3 than the newer games, and even the new sidesteps weren't as smooth as SC.
VF's is nice, but slower.

[Anonymous No.9526439]

>>9526429
Maybe, idk. It took me a while to realize that you have to tap up or down only once, not twice like every fucking gaming magazine suggested. They allowed to map sidesteps on L and R buttons in the home version but I usually mapped LP+RP, LK+RK, LP+RK and RP+LK on them because these were the hardest to do on the controller.
VF4 system is obviously superior.

[Anonymous No.9526447]

>>9526439
Weird. I found with every game, you had to double-tap. Maybe I just don't remember 4 enough, and that was the game that got me back into playing VF.

[Anonymous No.9526453]

>>9526447
No you didn't, that's literally never how it's worked

[Anonymous No.9526465]

>>9526447
Nope, it's single tap in every Tekken game.

[Anonymous No.9526472]

>>9526453
>>9526465
My life is a lie lol

[Anonymous No.9526481]

>>9526409
You can compile footage of anybody playing any fighting game badly lmao

You can pull off way crazier combos in Tekken, those players aren't doing them, so what?

[Anonymous No.9526490]

>>9526302
Toshinden was hot shit for the 2 months before Tekken 1 came out. By the time of Toshinden 2, it was considered an ugly and unplayable mess.

Toshinden 3 was at least cool for all the unlockables. You could have Michael Jackson fighting Jason Voorhees, Catwoman, and Gay Akuma.

[Anonymous No.9526657]

>>9525881
>what is the appeal of virtua fighter? the roster is generic as fuck
>why did it sell almost 2 million copies in japan

the characters weren't the most fleshed out, or original. But the fighting move set for each character were well defined and a reason to play the game. Though, Shenmue was originally planned to be Virtua Fighter RPG with Ryo being Akira originally. Virtua Fighter RPG was going to flesh out Akira's back story, and other characters around him, in a huge way.

[Anonymous No.9526672]

>>9525985
How though.

[Anonymous No.9526687]

>>9526672
It was always a tech demo
VF1: just its existence was revolutionary, from the system to the models. Hair and cloth physics, even animated faces.
VF2: texture-mapping
VF3: eye-tracking, more dynamic faces, hair and cloth physics expanded upon, uneven stages and dodge button
VF4: first 3DFG with customization and an online service (arcade only), introduced side-stepping, breakable walls, one stage had a snowy floor and another a watery floor
VF5: Ultimate was done in the Dragon engine, but that's all I remember

[Anonymous No.9526709]

>>9526139
>>9526340
>>9526271
>>9526296
>>9526303
This guy ONLY plays Tekken. It's like saying that should be one game per genre.

[Anonymous No.9526719]

>>9526709
>picrel
Not retro

[Anonymous No.9526742]

>>9526376
>just learn how to korean backdash so you too can look like a retard!

[Anonymous No.9526756]

>>9526687
>VF2: texture-mapping

Also 60fps gameplay. The first Virtua Fighter only runs at 30fps.

[Anonymous No.9526757]

ITT: Shitty americans seethe and form cope circlejerks to try and get over the fact that Sega does not give a single fuck about them when it comes to Virtua Fighter. Go play kekken, shitbags. Or better yet, try and name countries in a map. Y'know, countries that aren't burgerland. Good luck you jingo retards

[Anonymous No.9526759]

>>9526756
Tekken did 60fps first

[Anonymous No.9526761]

>>9526759
And texture-mapping, lol

[Anonymous No.9526763]

>>9526756
>Also 60fps gameplay.
You sure?

[Anonymous No.9526767]

>>9526763
>You sure?

Well, the arcade game technically runs at 57ps, just like all the other Model 2 board games. But yes. Yes I am sure. I use to play the shit out of the Saturn game, and it is 60fps. All Model 1 board games only run at 30fps.

[Anonymous No.9526769]

>>9525881
the gameplay is top notch and superb. It's hold to date. I played this game 5 years ago for the first time and it is almost as good or better than soulblade or tekken 3

[Anonymous No.9526771]

>>9526757
Cope

[Anonymous No.9526773]

>>9526767
>saturn
Arcade version is better I only have the PSN version of it because I started the series a little later

[Anonymous No.9526782]

>>9526687
All this and what the competition's been up to makes me wonder how they'll top all this with 6. Will they finally add a campaign that fleshes out the characters? Expand upon stage physics? Yeah I know I'm talking too far in the future for this board but still.

[Anonymous No.9526794]

>>9526782
>Will they finally add a campaign that fleshes out the characters?
VF4 and VF5 campaigns were about you beating other dudes in japanese arcades. What you're asking for is akin to fleshing out chess pieces as characters.

[Anonymous No.9526796]

>>9526773
>>>9526767 (You)
>>saturn
>Arcade version is better I only have the PSN version of it because I started the series a little later


The framerate was one of the big improvements that Virtua Fighter 2 made over Virtua Fighter 1. The first game still looked incredible for a 1993 release, but it is still the slowest playing of the Virtua Fighter series. Kinda like how Street Fighter 1 ran at a low framerate. All of the home ports of Virtua Fighter 1 are locked down to 30fps. The 32x game retains 30fps for the majority of the game, but has some slowdown during the win/ lose cutscenes. One of the big enhancements that the model 2 arcade board made was the 60 (57fps) framerate. Every Model 2 arcade game targeted 57fps. Though the Saturn and many of the home ports (Excluding the Genesis port) run at a slightly higher framerate than the arcade game at a real 60fps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojLtum_HYAc

[Anonymous No.9526810]

>>9526796
>Though the Saturn and many of the home ports (Excluding the Genesis port) run at a slightly higher framerate than the arcade game at a real 60fps.
Oh. I still like the arcade one better because the backgrounds are 3D rather than sprites.

[Anonymous No.9526825]

>>9526810
>>Though the Saturn and many of the home ports (Excluding the Genesis port) run at a slightly higher framerate than the arcade game at a real 60fps.
>Oh. I still like the arcade one better because the backgrounds are 3D rather than sprites.

The Saturn version is still great, and even has the 2.1 arcade updates. It plays incredibly close to the arcade game. But it is misisng the polygon backgrounds. The Saturn game was also ported to Windows 95 back in the day, and the Windows 95 port looks just like the saturn game, but has the option for D3D rendering and you can use the arcade models instead. I feel like the XBLA port was one of the best versions (It is also on PSN?, but I have never played that one)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGHJHq0oHw8
This one has the arcade visuals, but runs at a higher resolution than the arcade game, and also 60fps.

The arcade model 2 board does not run at 60fps due to some sort of limitations of the board. It's really 57fps, but when used with the right type of CRT display, you don't really notice. But 57fps would look janky on LED's, so many of the later VF2 home ports are set to 60 for consistencies sake.

[Anonymous No.9526842]

>>9526825
>(It is also on PSN?, but I have never played that one)
Yes, along with Fighting Vipers and Sonic the Fighters.

[Anonymous No.9526843]

>>9526796
32x VF1 was based and great value if you already had Genesis. Saturn was still expensive at the time.

[Anonymous No.9526935]

>>9526308
Tekken is a fucling dial a combo game, it's shit for that alone.

[Anonymous No.9526948]

>>9526935
Far from it. "Juggle simulator" is a better description. 10 hit dial-a-combos are useless meme.

[Anonymous No.9527070]

>>9526481
>You can compile footage of anybody playing any fighting game badly lmao
That's literally Tekken being played at the highest level lmfao
You don't have the first clue what you're talking about do you?

[Anonymous No.9527097]

>>9526687
I don't think you know what a tech demo is.

Hint: it's not something that makes it to retail.

[Anonymous No.9527121]

Virtua Fighter 2 released in 1994, Tekken 3 in 1997. Actually VF2 concurrent with the first Tekken. It's not hard to see why people would prefer Virtua Fighter.

[Anonymous No.9527131]

This site has gotten to where the vast majority of the discussion isn't about video games, and the majority of discussion that is about video games is just "I don't like game, therefore game is bad and no one ever played it."

[Anonymous No.9527161]

>>9527131
It was always that way, newfag

[Anonymous No.9527219]

>>9525881
I happen to be I fighter myself (kyokushin, muay thai and BJJ) and I played a virtua fighter game for the first time last year, it was VF4 on the PS2. I played for a few hour as the muay thai guy and I remember being impressed by how technical the game was. But it may not appeal to everyone who plays fighting games

[Anonymous No.9527480]

>>9525881
>complains when character design is grounded
>also complains when it's too anime
What do you even want.

[Anonymous No.9527491]

>>9526395
VF at high level is a genuily good and fun experience while high level Tekken is this shit.

[Anonymous No.9527570]

>>9526481
That isn't footage of tekken being played badly, it's footage of tekken played at high level

[Anonymous No.9527668]

>>9527480
>when character design is grounded

aka boring, bland, generic, low effort creativity

[Anonymous No.9527703]

>>9527491
Please explain what makes high level VF genuinely good and fun.

[Anonymous No.9527717]

>>9527703
Deep mindgames, neutral is fun to play, movement is smooth and responsive as opposed to the chore that is tekken movement, execution has a low floor and high ceiling, with great rewards to those who can execute the difficult stuff, and surprisingly good balance for a fighting game with this level of cast variety

[Anonymous No.9527743]

>>9525881
Its one of the very few 3D fighting games thats actually deep, fun and rewarding to play. Also fuck your low IQ tekken crap snoyflake.

[Anonymous No.9527812]

>>9527703
Zoomers these days just love to pretend VF wasn't considered the peak of 3D fighting gameplay huh.

[Anonymous No.9527819]

>>9527668
Normal looking people doing martial art, nobody at the time or since have done this in fighters, fuckface.
It's 1000% a lot less generic than chuuni shit from shonen anime and tiger/panda dudes.

[Anonymous No.9527829]

>>9527668
You mean like Mortal Kombat?

[Anonymous No.9527884]

Both VF and Tekken are great especially if you don't expect them to play the same way.

[Anonymous No.9527887]

>>9527812
Tekken is far more popular than Virtua Fighter

[Anonymous No.9528031]

>>9527887
Nobody said otherwise
It's telling that "b-but popularity" is the only comeback kekkenfags have when anyone points out that it's got the worst gameplay of any 3d fighter

[Anonymous No.9528052]

>>9528031
That's just people being contrarian, it isn't rooted in any fact

[Anonymous No.9528059]

>>9528052
See >>9526376, cope, seethe

[Anonymous No.9528349]

>>9528059
That image is stupid because it just shows people playing Tekken not hitting one another or doing combos

[Anonymous No.9528358]

>>9528349
That's literally a video of top-level tournament play

[Anonymous No.9528712]

>>9525881
because muh 3d.
2d was vastly superior at the time (i still prefer 2d fighters) but fanboys of the new tech hyped this shit nugget to kingdome come.

[Anonymous No.9528876]

For me, it's VF2.
It just feels the most crisp.

[Anonymous No.9528951]

>>9525881
>what is the appeal of virtua fighter? the roster is generic as fuck
>why did it sell almost 2 million copies in japan
vf was the first 3d fighting game, so there was a huge boom because of it.
the character designs were basic because that's what worked in primitive 3d.

vf isn't nearly as popular now due to only focusing on the japanese arcade audience, plus many home releases were botched.
current vf plays like an overly competitive tekken where its more about taking turns rather than dancing in neutral and fishing for launchers.
tekken 8 might bring a big change to this gameplay however. the heat system sounds like normie bait and honestly tekken is becoming too cinematic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UNeWH75FQU&t=580s

I really want vf to come back to pc as some point
i'd rather play vf5 over everything really

[Anonymous No.9528958]

>>9528951
I'm waiting on 6 but I like playing the older games. I got a Dreamcast so I can finally play VF3 and SoulCalibur.

[Anonymous No.9529137]

Tekken character designs suck ass.
Just wanted to say that.

[Anonymous No.9529172]

I'm tired of low quality posters pretending Virtua Fighter is anything other than a visionary masterpiece.
For better or worse no other game did more to influence the industry towards polygon graphics.
It's control scheme was highly inventive and original as was its cast. Yu Suzuki had the balls to make to make Akira (gi wearing character's are usually the face of a franchise) the most difficult character to pick up and play.

[Anonymous No.9529217]

>>9529137
Ok, which 3d fighting game has better designs then?

[Anonymous No.9529249]

>>9529217
Soulcalibur

[Anonymous No.9529268]

>>9529249
Nah. Too much Korean-MMORPG-like with armored bikinis and other lazy coomer fan service stuff.
As far as weapon based fighters go, SamSho 64 was better.

[Anonymous No.9529271]

>>9529268
Still mogs Tekken designs

[Anonymous No.9529275]

>>9529271
Nope. You just love lazy coomer designs. Shit taste, happens.

[Anonymous No.9529283]

>>9529275
Nope. Tekken designs are dogshit

[Anonymous No.9529373]

>>9529283
Yeah, obese virgin shut-ins prefer fantasy anime cosplayers over street fashion designs

[Anonymous No.9529490]

>>9529249
Soulcalibur designs are fantasy and would make no sense in a semi-realistic martial arts environment.

[Anonymous No.9529496]

>>9526709
Yeah, now post her in game MANon face.

[Anonymous No.9529502]

>>9529490
Irrelevant

[Anonymous No.9529515]

>>9525985
>>9526117

[Anonymous No.9529635]

>>9529515
Dimwit take

[Anonymous No.9529849]

>>9529373
>street fashion
Gay

[Anonymous No.9529920]

>>9529849
>

[Anonymous No.9530517]

not technically vr I but I watched the crappy anime version back then and I thought the blonde dudes sister became so hot after she got brainwashed

[Anonymous No.9530550]

>>9526372
>I am guessing it was good enough for the time as they had sequels and good sales but probably wasn't the best among the wash of 3d fighters, because they are largely ignored/forgotten.
Pretty much. Toshinden 1 was cool because it was the best fighter the system had, but then Tekken and shit started coming out and Toshinden got left in the dust.

[Anonymous No.9531653]

>>9529635
dam what a highbrow comeback, did you dropout of a school in Boston?

[Anonymous No.9531704]

>>9526308
If this is not pasta it's one of the best posts I've read in quite a while. Congrats anon

[Anonymous No.9532057]

>>9527480
>>complains when character design is grounded

That is the weird thing about Virtua fighter. The characters are tempered (somewhat), but there are still these game like elements. Like Sarah being the blonde brainwashed assassin trope. battle Arena did kind of the same thing with Sonya. Nina is the blonde brainwashed assassin type in Tekken. Why was that a thing in 3D fighters? Akira kinda being the series Ryu, though even more boring. Jackie looks like a Ken clone, but is more like Sarah. Jeffrey is oddly more original characters. Pai is teen idol trope. Lau Chan is/ was an antagonist to Akira. Maru is mysterious ninja trope. Shun Di = drunken old man (best character), Taka =- we added a Sumo wrestler. yeah, the characters are the most basic versions of tropes. DOA goes in the complete opposite, but still features all the same tropes. It's hard to fault anyone that says they are kinda dull. But oddly done that way by design. the characters in the games are best defied by their move sets/ fighting styles. They do try to go for some authentic fighting moves, for each character.

[Anonymous No.9532115]

>>9532057
>the characters in the games are best defied by their move sets/ fighting styles. They do try to go for some authentic fighting moves, for each character
This.
But it's also cool when p1 costume is some traditional or martial arts attire while p2 costume is street drip.

[Anonymous No.9532263]

>>9527884
totally agree

[Anonymous No.9532301]

>>9532115
>street drip.
Die zoomie

[Anonymous No.9532310]

>>9526351
cold as ice

[Anonymous No.9532319]

>>9532301
>t. fat shut-in jealous of cool kids

[Anonymous No.9532507]

>>9532319
>"""cool"""

[Anonymous No.9532518]

>>9525881
It was the first fully 3D fighter, that's it, which is also why its popularity plummeted after the Tekken series came out and it never recovered

[Anonymous No.9532519]

>>9532057
>blonde brainwashed assassin trope
Name 27 from before VF

[Anonymous No.9532524]

>>9532319
Who is jealous of 18 year olds

[Anonymous No.9532571]

>>9532524
45 years olds, apparently

[Anonymous No.9532574]

>>9532519
>Name 27 from before VF

The only one I can think of that existed before Sarah is Cammy, who first appeared in Super Street Fighter 2. But yeah, I guess Virtua Fighter oddly popularized that trend. I can't name 27.

[Anonymous No.9532585]

>>9526308
OP obliterated by chud anon, god damn.

[Anonymous No.9532590]

>>9526308

[Anonymous No.9533004]

>>9529217
VF designs are not too interesting, they are "normal" looking people. It's not bad, just not anything special. Except for a few like Lau and Shun who look great regardless, and Dural who is a lady T-1000.
Also, the 2nd player alternate models look better for many characters in VF2.

Tekken designs alternate between hong kong movie tropes and just flat out stupid.

[Anonymous No.9533212]

>>9533004
>alternate between hong kong movie tropes and just flat out stupid.
That's MK characters. Tekken is more on the stylish side.

[Anonymous No.9533225]

>>9533212
>That's MK characters.
No, MK characters are from Hollywood kung fu and monster movies, with some western comic books influences.

[Anonymous No.9533989]

>>9533212
guy fieri vibes

[Anonymous No.9534420]

>>9532319
Oh you actually think you're cool....let me tell ya. Wiggers are never cool, everyone in every other subculture laughs at wiggers. The only people who think wiggers are cool are wiggers themselves.

[Anonymous No.9534470]

>>9534420
>subculture
WTF lmao. You really have no clue, have you?

[Anonymous No.9534482]

>>9534420
Everybody is a wigger now. Normal teenage white kids dress like black people, listen to black or a derivative of black music, talk like black people did in Detroit in 2012, walk like faggots and simp fat bitches like black people. If you don’t act black or gay, you’re a white supremacist who’s emboldening the patriarchy by continuing on the traditions of colonizers. You know I’m honestly surprised at all the cuck nintoddler lefties who let Nintendo keep the white people in their main franchises with absolutely no backlash, the absolute cognitive dissonance. Here’s the kicker, the only black representation in Mario is donkey Kong, kek.

[Anonymous No.9534501]

I just wanted to talk about VF. Damn.

[Anonymous No.9534513]

>>9534501
VF is for weebs.

[Anonymous No.9534524]

>>9534513
Tekken is for weebs
VF is a boomer game

[Anonymous No.9534529]

>>9534524
Whatever. Nobody plays VF and kekken sucks. Only Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat have any cred.

[Anonymous No.9534530]

>>9534529
Does anyone even play MK anymore?

[Anonymous No.9534532]

>tfw a thread about a video game gets derailed because no one fucking plays it not even the boomers who claim they do

[Anonymous No.9534535]

>>9534530

[Anonymous No.9534539]

>>9534535
>october 2022

[Anonymous No.9534552]

>>9534535
>Cyrillic
Fuck off russia kun.

[Anonymous No.9534652]

>>9534470
Yeah, you're not hip to anything real lol. Just an already outdated dork who's only "cool" in his own little bubble.

>>9534482
These are just NPCs, they're not cool. Yeah popular culture has become more "wigger" than ever, but people just into the popular thing aren't actually ever "cool", they're normies. Cool always ends up historically defined by the rebels, not the normies. Hell, that's why right now trendy plebshit is all about trying to copy punk, goth, metal, etc and their followers are TRYING to be counter culture but they just get called posers.

But, in any case, to bring it back to things actually relevant to the thread, let's talk about some of this Tekken "street drip" that anon likes so much. >>9533212 as you can see Jin in his debut in Tekken 3 has a tribal tattoo and wears flame pants. THAT is embarrassing late 90's character design, tribal tats and flame deco clothing have been made fun of forever now and yet it's Jin's trademark, just dated and silly, that shows you how much mainstream pop culture trends remain "cool". Look at him here from Tekken 4, he's got his hood up like B Rabbit in 8 Mile and he's wearing raver pants. Laughably early 00's.

I'm picking on Jin because he's a perfect example of shitty Tekken character design and how some of their "urban centric" costumes are cringe and immediately dated (if they made Jin today they'd probably give him blue cheeto hair), I think Tekken has some decent designs just not when they go that route, but if you want an example of what good "street" character design looks like, look at Terry Bogard.

[Anonymous No.9534674]

>>9534652
>Terry Bogard
Got me right there. Nice job.

[Anonymous No.9534682]

>>9534552
>Can't read the easiest alphabet out there

[Anonymous No.9534710]

>>9534652
>flame pants
That's a 1P costume which is just karate pants. Casual costumes are 2P in Tekken. In Jin case it's a motorcycle suit.
>Tekken 4
Cringe game and a step back. Costume designs are bad in T4, except maybe Yoshimitsu.

[Anonymous No.9534784]

l
>>9534652
ah tekken 4
an underrated installment, there's something magic about it.
>>9534501
I get filtered each time i try to git gud with Akira, even in the original.
That fucker requires real dedication.

[Anonymous No.9536043]

>>9533225
It was based on both, Zu Warriors from Magic Mountain was another inspiration and inspired plenty of other properties
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ku3kF6xZdeQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=k4EQMAM7FWw

[Anonymous No.9536137]

>>9525881
>generic
The word you're looking for is "archetypal".

[Anonymous No.9536203]

[Anonymous No.9536217]

>>9536043
Damn, I've been wondering what the name of that movie was for fucking decades. I remember seeing a trailer for it when I was a kid

[Anonymous No.9536241]

>>9536203
>caring about the opinions of a sentient oatmeal cookie

[Anonymous No.9536705]

>VF roster
>Generic
Maybe if you were a clueless anglo in the 90s, the rest of the world loved being able to play as Tao Pai Pai and SSJ Trunks

[Anonymous No.9536745]

>>9536705
>DBZ
Lmfao
Sweaty nerd

[Anonymous No.9536801]

>>9536745
>Tao Pai Pai
>DBZ
Based clueless anglo 30 years later

[Anonymous No.9537078]

>>9526308
based

[Anonymous No.9537161]

>>9536801
Idk what you're trying to say, just know I don't care about your "culture". You care about mine, because mine is dominant.

[Anonymous No.9537313]

>>9533004
>VF designs are not too interesting, they are "normal" looking people. It's not bad, just not anything special. Except for a few like Lau and Shun who look great regardless, and Dural who is a lady T-1000.

I feel like with Virtua Fighter, the fighting styles for each character were decided first, and then they would build characters around them. Each character looks appropriate to their fighting styles. Shenmue was originally conceived to be a Virtua Fighter RPG for Akira. Which actually could have made Akira's backstory really fleshed out to the point where you were playing his life day to day in a life simulator. Lau was suppose to be Shun Di, Tom from Shenmue was apparently Jeffry, as Jeffry would have had a hot dog stand close to Akira's residence. Shenmue as Virtua Fighter RPG would have changed the whole tone of the series.

[Anonymous No.9537323]

>>9537313

But at least we got this Virtua Fighter RPG instead...

[Anonymous No.9537789]

>>9537161
Sure thing, mohammed/Paco.

[Anonymous No.9538354]

>>9537161
Isn't it worship-at-the-altar-of-niggers o'clock? Shouldn't you be kneeling somewhere else? Yeah, great culture you got there son

[Anonymous No.9538370]

>>9536241
still more healthy and of greater nutritive value than a sentient burger

[Anonymous No.9540548]

>>9536745
>Tao Pai Pai
>DBZ

[Anonymous No.9541058]

>>9525881
Way more fun and challenging than shit tekken, and also has better graphics.

[Anonymous No.9541085]

>>9541058
>challenging
>he is playing it singleplayer
KWAB

[Anonymous No.9541738]

>>9541085
I play it online a lot.
Can't say the same about shit tekken 1/2/3

[Anonymous No.9541808]

>>9526302
It was a 30fps fighting game which despite this being the first game I played on a console that was my family's, I can not pretend is legit.

[Anonymous No.9541985]

>>9541738
Stop lying, you don't even play it.
VF2 has some of the simplest and easy to learn mechanics. If you find it challenging, you are quite frankly retarded.

[Anonymous No.9541991]

>>9541985
Post proof that you play online and are good at it

[Anonymous No.9542065]

>>9541991
Nobody plays VF2 online you dummy. Shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Go to mikado if you wanna go against good players. I will be near it next month around the 20th. If you wanna try me, my stipulation is to play a couple of VF3 rounds too. What's your nickname?

[Anonymous No.9542094]

>>9541991
>>9542065
Alternatively, if you're in EU right now we may meet sooner but you will have to bring your own ps3 or 360 or whatever you are playing VF2 on.

[Anonymous No.9542213]

>>9525881
Even DoA went longer and to the point of shoving Akira in it, cause VF ended with 5, and DoA2 everyone played by being a better VF

[Anonymous No.9542219]

Nobody plays VF, period. Not even the boomers who write fanfiction about going to the arcade.

[Anonymous No.9542230]

>>9542213
DoA2 is not a better VF though, it is a cheaply made knockoff with fanservice and counters spamming.

[Anonymous No.9542240]

>>9542219
How do you tell?

[Anonymous No.9542243]

>>9542240
It's one of those games everyone talks about but no one plays

[Anonymous No.9542265]

>>9542243
You must add what VF games are you talking about and where are you from. Out of /vr/ titles, VF3tb has a small but dedicated scene. Mikado hosts tourneys occasionally. If you include non-/vr/, then VF5US has regular tourneus.
VF2 tourneys are very rare indeed. I don't remember any recent ones.

[Anonymous No.9542281]

>>9542265
In other words, no one plays Virtua Fighter. Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.9542296]

>>9542281
In other words, you are retarded and can't read.

[Anonymous No.9542302]

>>9542296
I read you. And I know no one plays VF.

[Anonymous No.9542375]

>>9541985
I play vf2 on ps3, vf3/4 on fightcade and vf5 on ps4.
Nobody plays old tekken because it fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.9542421]

>>9542375
>playing against western VF online shitters
>challenging
Git gud

[Anonymous No.9542436]

>>9526302
>>9525895

Just played Toshinden today, can confirm it's still legit, even if Tekken 1 blew it into the weeds.

[Anonymous No.9542693]

>what is the appeal of virtua fighter?

No weapons, "hadouken," chi, or other special powers bullshit. Just characters in stupid costumes kicking, punching, and throwing each other.

[Anonymous No.9542717]

>>9542436
Toshinden 1 was neat, but the animation could have been more fluid and the controls had a lot of lag.

Unfortunately the sequels never fixed this, so the series became worse and worse with every new game. Toshinden 3 stands out for being a great party game once you get all the unlocks.

also all the games had absolutely baller music.

[Anonymous No.9544212]

>>9542265
Why do they play vf3tb when its the worst one

[Anonymous No.9544227]

>>9544212
They don't. No one plays VF. Not even when it was brought to PC with pogback netcode.

[Anonymous No.9544320]

>>9544212
VF3tb is unique and has a cult following.
https://youtu.be/96PEDjWFNFY
>>9544227
Go be retarded somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.9544350]

>>9544212
>>9544320
Just to add, without historical context VF1 and VF2 are worse because of limited movesets, moon jumps etc. VF3 didn't reach the same cultural significance and was mogged by Tekken 3 overall but mechanically it is a much more competent and deep game than either of its predecessors. It's basically 3rd Strike of VF games but even more niche.

[Anonymous No.9544380]

>>9525881
Because it has heart, a good soundtrack, great graphics and it's a great fighting game.

[Anonymous No.9544451]

>>9544350
Uneven ground makes it a shitload of fuck

[Anonymous No.9544464]

>>9544451
I prefer VF4 myself but you're just parroting the meme

[Anonymous No.9544569]

>>9544350
>vf3tb
>ss3ts
>???
Don't get the comparison. The high watermarks of the series are VF2 and 4evo/ft and even those are not that popular with western audiences.
Championing 3tb seems like a contrarians choice.

[Anonymous No.9544579]

>>9544569
Why would you bring western audiences in the VF descussion?

[Anonymous No.9544609]

>>9544579
Because they are the only audience that matters.

[Anonymous No.9544614]

>>9544569
You have VF games popularity at release and current VF scenes confused. VF2 is the equivalent of vanilla SF2 - a breakthrough game but with no current scene. And unlike SF2 it was never updated to Super Turbo. VF4 is a modern era VF game - its scene just moved on to later installments. In short, VF2 and VF4 don't have modern scene. VF3 and VF5 do, even if it's very small and cult-like for the former.

[Anonymous No.9544787]

>>9544579
just stating facts mate
>>9544614
fair call, i remember back in the day both the original and 2 were quite ubiquitous, the series largely disappeared from arcades after 2. i do remember stumbling upon a vf3 cab out in wild back in the day and was quite impressed, it was a tour de force in terms of graphics + presentation.
As to the current popularity, i understand 5's but 3 seems like a weird choice considering it's mechanics and new character were failed experiments. Wouldn't be surprised if Final Tuned doesn't gain a bit of traction now that its on fightcade.

[Anonymous No.9545081]

>>9544787
>fair call, i remember back in the day both the original and 2 were quite ubiquitous, the series largely disappeared from arcades after 2

I've seen quite a few Virtua Figher 1 and 2 cabs back in the day. I think Virtua Fighter 2 might have been more common. I feel like Sega was trying to make Virtua Fighter 2 the next Street Fighter 2 in popularity. But, it never became as big. Sega did include both Virtua Fighter 1 and 2 as pack in games for the Saturn. The Saturn I had back in the day, came with a copy of Virtua Fighter 2, as well as Daytona USA and Virtua Cop. I had that 3-game bundle. Virtua Fighter 2 end up being the best selling game on the Saturn, overall. But the Saturn, was still a dud in the western markets, completing getting trampled over by the success of the PS1. The wider appeal of the PS1 helped make Tekken a much more popular 3D fighter in the home market, by a wide margin. Virtua Fighter 3 was a hyped game for its graphics alone. the model 3 board was a spectacle upon its release. But Virtua Fighter 3 and TB never really could gain the traction of Tekken 3. It also didn't help that Virtua Fighter 3 was only ever ported to the Dreamcast. The Japanese release was buggy and problematic too. The western release was improved. But it had a luke warm reception when put up against something like Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive 2, on the same console. For whatever reason, Virtua Fighter 3 never got the same home treatment as VF2. Even though the Saturn failed on the home market, Virtua Fighter 2 was still ported to Windows 95, which sold well. It was later ported to the PS2, Xbox 360, PS3, etc. Virtua Fighter 3 was only ever ported to the Dreamcast. Which makes it far more obscure than VF1 or VF2. Virtua Fighter 3 was also the biggest departure from the first two games, as far as gameplay goes. Wit the 3D dodge button and varied playing fields. AM2 went back to the formula of the first two games with VF4. Nerfing some of the things found in VF3.