/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9487513]

>recycles half of the game in your path

[Anonymous No.9487515]

>>9487513
Why does everyone say that the jeweled knuckles is the fastest high damage early-mid game weapon when it gets outclassed by the superior combat knife?

[Anonymous No.9487516]

>>9487513
>he doesn't play games with minimal carbon footprints

[Anonymous No.9487527]

>>9487513
Still a super fun platformer with tons of replay. You can beat the game with weird wep combos if you get bored ect.

[Anonymous No.9487529]

>>9487513
>>9487527
What do I play next after I beat sotn?
I already beat aria of sorrow and circle of the moon

[Anonymous No.9487535]

>>9487529
castlevania 64

[Anonymous No.9487537]

>>9487513
The game that pretends to be retarded

[Anonymous No.9487538]

>>9487513
>recycles half of the game in your path

[Anonymous No.9487546]

Anyone that thinks this game is shit is a retard, and I can't take you seriously.
If you don't like it that totally fine. You don't have to enjoy the game.
But calling it shit implies it is bad. Which implies you have no brain cells.

And this goes for any truly popular and great game. I don't like Doom, but it is clearly a masterpiece and great game.

[Anonymous No.9487576]

>>9487535
I was thinking more metro rpg style but I'll give it a look

[Anonymous No.9487584]

>>9487513
Soulful recycling
>>9487538
Soulless recycling

[Anonymous No.9487595]

>>9487513
Still kino

[Anonymous No.9487662]

>*Gets too much hate in your path

[Anonymous No.9487664]

>>9487513

[Anonymous No.9487674]

>>9487513
One the one hand, yes, they blatantly reused every fucking room of the entire castle layout. It's gimmicky for sure

But on the other hand, even though the layout is mirrored the way you play through it is not. You had to unlock the regular castle one area at a time through exploration and backtracking, the inverted castle is completely open from the beginning, you know the layout already and with all the powerups you navigate through it rapidly. It's not about exploration anymore. The inverted castle is just there as an arena for the additional boss fights and a place to find cool new items.

And honestly, why complain about that? If the game just took us straight from the top of the regular castle into the Dracula fight and ended there most people would have been fine with it. More bosses and items is just icing on the cake

[Anonymous No.9487745]

>>9487513
Kino music

[Anonymous No.9487750]

>>9487674
It's innovative and creative. I'll give them that

[Anonymous No.9487756]

>>9487513
Overrated garbage. Next.

[Anonymous No.9487804]

>>9487662
getting too much hate becomes null when the game stipulates grinding as a central mechanic

[Anonymous No.9487805]

>>9487804
It really doesn't though. I barely even touched the card system on my first playthrough and got through just fine playing the traditional CV way for the most part.

[Anonymous No.9487824]

>>9487805
If circle's execution of the classicvania component didn't feel like ass this might be an argument but as is the game locks anything that could cover for it behind grinding.

[Anonymous No.9487839]

>>9487513
>Nooooo give me half the game or make twice the content, you aren't allowed any other option.

[Anonymous No.9487886]

>>9487674
I think it's more that the Inverted Castle can be a bit annoying to explore compared to the main castle and not a lot of people know that if you just defeat the specific bosses you can basically get just what you mentioned as getting all of Dracula's remains and going to the center once you know what you're doing becomes really easy to do.

[Anonymous No.9487985]

>>9487886
I think it is related to how people dread aLttP's dark world and FF 6's post apocalyptic world too. There is some sense of progression at first due to plot and structured exploration. When you get that out of the picture, everything feels lukewarm at best. For that reason some people dislike openworlds too. You can do everything, yet there is no reason to.

[Anonymous No.9488032]

>>9487662
>Possibly the slowest whip wielder in the series
>Most enemies are completely silent, not making sounds when struck, killed, or attacking
>Lame bosses
>Lame upgrades
>Fuck the arena
>Card combos are novel but 95% of them aren't practical in the slightest
>RNG to get said cards is kinda shit

I agree the game gets too much hate, but it's definitely the weakest GBA Castlevania game and it has a lot of fucking problems.

[Anonymous No.9488051]

>>9487674
People are complaining because the whole game doesn't have the same formulaic structure, because stupid people can only think in formulas.

[Anonymous No.9488067]

Yeah. Fuck Sakurai for making Jiggly Puff using Kirby. I hate when lazy developers reuse content in new and different ways.

[Anonymous No.9488830]

>>9488032
>Lame bosses
I found them to be dope

[Anonymous No.9488835]

>>9487513
>half of the game
The inverted castle has mostly new enemies and bosses.

[Anonymous No.9488838]

>>9488830
nta but I like that one and literally only that one

[Anonymous No.9488864]

>>9488835
and it's not half, it's like a quarter of the game

[Anonymous No.9488867]

>>9488830
BDSM Goat is the exception, even if I realized you can cheese his kinky ass pretty easily with crosses if you keep to the right.
He filtered me as a wee lad though.

[Anonymous No.9488892]

>>9488830
this one and the dragon were pretty good but most of them just got by on ridiculously inflated health pools instead of interesting patterns.

[Anonymous No.9488913]

>>9488032
>>Card combos are novel but 95% of them aren't practical in the slightest
>>RNG to get said cards is kinda shit
Pick one please lol

With the cards being linked to RNG, don't you think it's a really good thing that most of the combinations are lackluster?

[Anonymous No.9488919]

>>9488032
Bruh, I don’t disagree with a word you said, but the biggest problem with the game is the double tap to run. There is literally never a time where you wouldn’t want to run, just make him run by default, and I would have enjoyed the game much more. Instead I got finger callouses from that shit.

[Anonymous No.9488923]

I'm honestly okay with the inverted castle, and think the novelty of reexploring a game world upside down is kind of fun

My real issue is how poorly balanced it is, or honestly the game in general. I played it for the first time earlier this year and once I got to the inverted castle I was absolutely melting bosses within <10 seconds. And I didn't have any crazy drops or levels or anything

Kind of stifles the fun when all of the cool boss designs only get a few seconds of screen time

[Anonymous No.9488928]

>>9488919
>he didn't use the code to fix it

[Anonymous No.9488946]

>>9488913
so it's shit from every angle then?

[Anonymous No.9488962]

>>9488923
no one really praises SotN for the challenge. It's easy as shit, but the atmosphere and visuals are 10/10 kino and frankly, modern games still struggle to match the art design. SotN is proof that technologically advanced graphics don't improve a game at all.

[Anonymous No.9488965]

>>9488032
the unfortunate thing is that the system could have been a solution to one of the biggest issues of metroidlikes, that being collectables are largely boring stat upgrades. unfortunately instead of using it to incentivize exploration it incentivizes the least fun aspect of the game. other issue is circle's environmental interaction being so limited that secrets aren't all that enjoyable to find, mostly just wall spam and using one of your powers interchangeably.

[Anonymous No.9489079]

The inverted castle is bonus content. Pretending otherwise is dumb

[Anonymous No.9489090]

>>9487513
Its not the own, I guess, you think it is. A lot of people "beat" the game only to find out they had a ton of content left. For those of us who actually love the game, and there is a lot, it was awesome to find all this out, ya know back before you jacked off to a youtuber to beat a game... faggot

[Anonymous No.9489296]

>re-using assets is... LE BAD!

[Anonymous No.9489454]

>>9487529
Bloodstained is shit-ugly and has a terrible story but still a great game that builds on SotN. All the other SotN-like Castlevanias have their own flaws or quirks:
>Circle of the Moon: pretty good but has a weird power system and pretty shitty upgrades if I remember right, controls kind of weirdly
>Portrait of Ruin: levels are separate from the
main castle, I found them to be kind of lacking; character-switching gimmick is at least fun and different
Harmony of Dissonance: dumb DS touchscreen gimmicks, can at least be modded out
Order of Ecclesia: most of the game is pure shit, but once you get to Drac's castle its great but that's only like the last 25 % of the game.

>>9487535
The jank is definitely present, but the game is still a ton of fun outside of a few areas and aesthetically excellent. If you like Castlevania absolutely don't get memed into skipping it.

[Anonymous No.9489461]

>>9487513

[Anonymous No.9489719]

>>9487513
The castle is designed so that flipping it upside down still gives a lot of new terrains, and the new enemies use the spaces well.

[Anonymous No.9489754]

>>9487513
Inverted castle makes a ton of changes I dunno why people pretend it literally is some lazy flip. The only half assed part was the music selection.

[Anonymous No.9489793]

>>9487513
Your mom farted on my dick anon

[Anonymous No.9489971]

>>9487529
If you are looking to continue with the old Castlevania games Portrait of Ruin is my personal fav but Dawn of Sorrow is good too. Order of Ecclesia is different and I didn't like it as much but a lot of people swear by it. Because of their duel screen nature, I bought a cheap DS Lite and R4 card to play these.

I would also take a look at reviews / trailers of some of the newer metroidvania's out there. Hollow Knight, Ori, Ender Lilies, Touhou Luna Nights, Ghost Song, Minoria, Blasphemous, Bloodstained, Monster Boy, Deedlit... there is a lot of them and they are usually pretty cheap. I am loving the metroidvania renaissance.

[Anonymous No.9489978]

>>9487538
Almost all the levels are just recycled rooms and corridors

[Anonymous No.9490038]

>>9489719
>>9489754
Sorta, probably not intentionally, but the fact that it emphasizes more on platforming and using the new abilities to traverse, really help by that point.

I will admit the idea wasn't fully realized tough, it has legitimate blemishes, many people of course focus on the overusing of Finale Toccata, filling the map with the mist or wolf in the reverse caverns because they should remap the level design of that part, and that some areas are optional but ultimately pointless, like there really is no reason to go to the reverse castle entrance.

My idea to fix this is to have the last transformation upgrade, the poison mist, NOT be after beating Galamoth, but instead put it in the reverse castle entrance, maybe even fixing and making the unused secret passage (for the unfinished area that was a wet fart on the saturn port), instead of having a pointless save point there, have special items there, and in the reverse castle, you get the Poison Mist there.

Alucard's true weaponry can be hidden better around the castle, have something interesting in the reverse library instead like a switch that opens the secret door at the reverse entrance castle.

That to me seems to be the biggest issue with the reverse castle, mediocre distribution of lut, the actual traversing aint much of an issue, maybe not with the wolf no more due to the main terrain being less flat, but the Wing Smash definitively aids a lot, i would have an upgrade to the wing smash that makes it last longer, but then again you can actually keep repeating it with good timing, while the saturn port actually keeps it goin until you run out of magic or crash to a solid vertical wall

Hell why not having access to all the teleporters unlocked so you can really explore more easier the reverse castle.

I still take it over Aria and Dawn ''true final areas'' and HoD lazy ''dual castles'' which are mostly the same aside from a few rooms having different design layouts.

[Anonymous No.9490296]

>>9487515
You have to equip one on each hand. It becomes a poor man's Crissaegrim.

[Anonymous No.9490575]

>>9490038
Aren't Shaft and Dracula the only bosses immune to poison mist? It's probably the biggest gamebreaker next to the Crissaegrim, not that there's no shortage of ways to break it.

Seems like the whole point of the relic is to be a reward for finding the hidden Kid Dracula callback area and defeating (what's supposed to be) a harder boss than even Dracula, and by then you're expected to have defeated all other bosses.

[Anonymous No.9490813]

>>9488032
Much better bosses and enemies than either aria or Hod, though. Both had ass bosses and enemies (Sans Julius, Death, and the LV enemies in HoD)

[Anonymous No.9490821]

I still like inverted castle a lot. I mean, fully and completely free exploration?
More emphasis in jumping around and looking ways to fill the map?
Harder and more varied enemies?
New bosses to try all these weapons and spells you are getting?
What's to hate?

Imo, alucart luck mode is the only way to truly enjoy the experience, but it is still great

[Anonymous No.9490839]

>>9487546
A mature approach. What didn't you enjoy about Doom, not a shooter fan?

[Anonymous No.9491515]

>>9490575
>area

you mean the boss.

[Anonymous No.9491583]

>>9487674
I thought it was cool as shit and fit with a general creepy tone to have an upside down castle.

[Anonymous No.9491591]

>>9491515
The whole area leading to Galamoth is filled with aged-up versions of Kid Dracula enemies, specifically the Salomes and Frozen Halfs.

[Anonymous No.9491621]

>>9487662
The bosses filter me. There is NO reason for them to have that much health.

[Anonymous No.9492020]

>>9487513
i wouldn't go so far as to say it's recycled, although whenever i play this game i imagine what could've been done if they'd made a completely separate castle with totally different puzzles, or found a way to do a dark world/light world thing like LttP where you'd have to switch between castles to solve puzzles.

i'd also say the game is still too short. it's too bad you don't get much of a chance to use the game's weirder weapons/items/equipment. and that once you have the shield rod and the alucard shield, the game's pretty much over unless you deliberately avoid using it.