/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9485479]

This just has to be one of the most overrated consoles of all time
>unremarkable library: no heavy hitters or genre-defining titles
>terrible controller: horrible ergonomics, not enough buttons
How can a console that doesnt have many games and a bad controller be considered "a gamer's machine" like every Sega fanboy says it is?

[Anonymous No.9485486]

>>9485479
>overrated
It was, similar to all the Sega games
A reason for that was that Sega literally owned a dozen magazines that never gave anything they made bad scores:
>Sega Saturn Magazine, Sega Power, Sega Pro, Sega X, Dreamcast.net, AllDreamcast, DC Swirl, EGM, Sega Saturn Magazine, etc.
It becomes very apparent when looking at games that are on both Sega and Playstation and the Playstation version has like 20% less

[Anonymous No.9485492]

Pretty sure SEGA had Yakuza ties back then. It's more dedicated IRL trolling than a coincidence that the Yakuza series is the only thing they have left

[Anonymous No.9485495]

>>9485486
Always cracks me up

[Anonymous No.9485516]

>>9485495

[Anonymous No.9485521]

>>9485516

[Anonymous No.9485537]

>>9485479
You already made this thread

[Anonymous No.9485539]

>>9485479
It certainly has lost a lot of significance with time what with a lot of its good stuff being ported, but it was pretty great if you liked arcade games and has a good handful or two of neat exclusives to this day. Not gonna cite them because you'll just say they're shit, but you know what I mean. You know.

[Anonymous No.9485540]

>>9485479
another thread, thats what I call rent free.
also not overrated at all

[Anonymous No.9485541]

>Basically invented cell shading
>shenmue literally changed gaming as you know it
>brought online gaming and dlc to mainstream

Sorry kid, you need to be 25 or older to post here.

[Anonymous No.9485547]

>>9485486
Duping the world into thinking the awful Sega Aladdin is the good one was quite a respectable feat, though
Doesn't look like the movie at all and plays like ass with the camera not even staying centric so you constantly run into obstacles if you want to go fast on a blind playthrough

[Anonymous No.9485552]

>>9485479
good console, no games. the opposite of what usually happens.

[Anonymous No.9485554]

>>9485516
I know there are changes and many prefer the DC version, but there is no way it's a near 20% difference. Unabashed moneyhatting

[Anonymous No.9485559]

deja vu
I've seen this thread before
higher on the shitpost

[Anonymous No.9485568]

>>9485559
>>9485537
Got deleted the last time (despite not violating any rules and just being OP's opinion) even though there was clearly room for discussion. Do you complain about every thread that gets reposted in one form or another? Because then you wouldn't be doing anything else

[Anonymous No.9485571]

>>9485547
Everyone knows Aladdin on sega was way better. Why are you trying to rewrite history now? Sorry bro, you got the shittier console growing up. Nothing personal

[Anonymous No.9485578]

>>9485479
Definitive ports of Rayman 2, Soul Reave, Last Revelation and Chronicles. Great ports of RE 2 and 3. Comfy 60fps and beautiful VGA picture.
Currently playing through Skies of Arcadia and having a blast. It can get annoying when delusional Sega widows will claim it's better than the PS2. It isn't. But it's a great console and a perfect time capsule of that 1997~2001 Y2K aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.9485581]

>>9485568
its funny how if you do the samething with the n64 ur thread gets deleted instantly

[Anonymous No.9485583]

>>9485568
>>9485581
I thought this site valued free speech wth

[Anonymous No.9485594]

>>9485583
I also thought that, but it seems that this site is run by tendies

[Anonymous No.9485595]

>>9485541
>>brought online gaming and dlc to mainstream
uh no, that was the Xbox

[Anonymous No.9485603]

>>9485595
No, that was Dreamcast, maybe stop being a fag and learn some shit. DC had the first modem packed in. No subscription model required. Dlc was free.

Xbox came out after Dreamcast, sort of like how I came after your mom did

[Anonymous No.9485605]

>>9485603
kek no one played dreamcast online
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.9485610]

>>9485603
By your logic, the SNES Satellaview was the first before the DC then.

[Anonymous No.9485612]

>>9485571
>Everyone knows Aladdin on sega was way better
Only retarded people "know" this

[Anonymous No.9485613]

>>9485581
It's the other way around. The Dreamcast thread got deleted, as this one will, and your Nintendo shitpost threads usually stay up forever even though they just suck and aren't sincere

[Anonymous No.9485619]

>>9485547
>camera not even staying centric so you constantly run into obstacles if you want to go fast on a blind playthrough
SEGA/Sonic autists love this

[Anonymous No.9485620]

>>9485613
kek no, never happened, last time I saw a mastersystem shitpost and that shit stayed forever unlike nintendo shitposting threads

[Anonymous No.9485626]

Nintendo fans never attack anyone unless they attack us first

[Anonymous No.9485627]

>>9485605
>>9485610
are you guys are retarded? the dc was the first to came with a built in modem, and yes lots of people started to play online because of the dc

[Anonymous No.9485630]

>>9485619
>not having good reflexes
kek

[Anonymous No.9485682]

>>9485627
its was niche, the Xbox was the one who brought it to the masses thanks to XBL
and every other console tried to copy it

[Anonymous No.9485692]

>>9485627
>heres your viral online gaming ecosystem, bro

[Anonymous No.9485694]

>>9485627
"lots of people" didn't even own a DC to begin

[Anonymous No.9485731]

>>9485479
It is not overrated at all...just heavy nostalgia from the period before the true next-gen consoles arrived.
Was an excellent console for the first year. As soon as we saw playstation 2 and xbox, the dreamcast looked weak and dated.

[Anonymous No.9485750]

>>9485731
>It is not overrated at all...
Its games quite literally got overrated

[Anonymous No.9485752]

>>9485479
>terrible controller: horrible ergonomics
Proof you've never actually held one

[Anonymous No.9485769]

>>9485479
It's late 1999 and the other consoles out at the time are the PS1, N64, and Saturn. Games on all of these systems either ran like crap and/or looked like crap. If you had a Dreamcast from this period to when it got canned in early 2001 you had a system that had the best looking, most action packed games at the time on top of running silky smooth. Oh, and great 4 player games that didn't require a multitap or ran at 5 frames a second. It feels sorta underwhelming today and nothing special, like the original SMB or Half Life, but put your head in the mindset of gamers at the time and you'll see that there was literally nothing like it and understand why it was so appreciated.

[Anonymous No.9485885]

>>9485769

[Anonymous No.9485889]

>>9485885
forced meme

[Anonymous No.9485894]

>>9485692
>>heres your viral online gaming ecosystem, bro
>its not like quake 3 and unreal tournament weren't popular
kys zoomie

[Anonymous No.9485896]

>>9485610
>No subscription model required.
Doofus

[Anonymous No.9485897]

>>9485694
cope some more

[Anonymous No.9485910]

>>9485479
This just has to be one of the most overrated consoles of all time
>unremarkable library: no heavy hitters or genre-defining titles
>terrible controller: horrible ergonomics, not enough buttons
How can a console that doesnt have many games and a bad controller be considered "a gamer's machine" like every Nintendo fanboy says it is?

[Anonymous No.9485915]

>>9485910
Boomers think the arcades = true gaming
Dreamcast has huge holes in its library

[Anonymous No.9485925]

>>9485915
describe your holes anon.

[Anonymous No.9485937]

>>9485925
It has fighting racing shmup arcade ports
It doesn’t have much else going on
Only a retard fanboy would say otherwise

[Anonymous No.9485941]

>>9485605
I did. And insane a bunch of other people on when I did.

[Anonymous No.9485946]

>>9485937
>fighting racing shmup arcade ports
Those are the only good games

[Anonymous No.9485947]

>>9485937
What's it missing specifically? Use your words so we can make fun of you most accurately

[Anonymous No.9485950]

>>9485947
No, he wants you on the defensive for your opinions so he can deconstruct your argument last-word style.

[Anonymous No.9485973]

>>9485937
and the super nintendo only has jrpgs and horse betting simulators

[Anonymous No.9485992]

>>9485605

[Anonymous No.9486015]

>>9485479
Even with far less games and a short lifespan, it was still better than Saturn based on its first party lineup alone. Combine that with some fun third-party titles from Capcom and western devs (which basically skipped the Saturn) and you've got a pretty good console. Maybe not as good as PS1? But still not bad.

[Anonymous No.9486028]

>>9485885
4chan usage is not a substitute for a personality

[Anonymous No.9486058]

>>9485692
the fact you even could game online alone was awesome. There is STILL a Quake3Arena and PSO community to this day which makes your remark all the more laughable. If you don't think people were playing sports games online you weren't a gamer. I enjoyed the shit out of that system. If I only had fortuitous vision I would have secured a broadband adapter back when it first released.

[Anonymous No.9486194]

>>9485992
What else?

[Anonymous No.9486228]

>>9485910
>no heavy hitters or genre-defining titles
Donkey Kong Country and Link to the Past were literally genre defining heavy hitters though.
>horrible ergonomics, not enough buttons
When was the last time a 2D game needed more than six buttons?

[Anonymous No.9486234]

>>9486228
DKC is a mediocre game, literally does nothing special. You only like it because it's a pack in. Nobody can describe anything special or interesting it does because it does nothing interesting.

[Anonymous No.9486240]

>>9486234
Its got god tier controls and level design with no gimmicks. Also its use of prerendered SGI art would go on to be hugely influential.

[Anonymous No.9486250]

>>9485925
Slimy and loose
Blackened from the overusage gunk
Smells like heavily peppered seafood going spoiled
Can be found on your mom’s crotch

[Anonymous No.9486254]

>>9486240
>God tier controls
You press right you go right lol also every stage has a gimmick. It's not an interesting platformer in the least.

[Anonymous No.9486261]

>>9486254
>You press right you go right lol
This tells me you know nothing about platformers.
>also every stage has a gimmick
The only ones that don't use the same core controls are the minecart levels.

[Anonymous No.9486286]

>>9486261
>This tells me you know nothing about platformers.
That's what I got from this: >>9486240
DKC is baby's first platformer, hence why it was a pack-in. That's why it's so beloved. It's full of gimmicks from visuals (rain, snow), platforming gimmicks (barrels, ropes) and is mechanically ultra simplistic. Far simpler than even the simplified master system sonic games. It's not meant to be a challenging game or deep game, and it is neither of these. They succeed in making the perfectly mediocre platformer to show off their pre-rendered graphics.

[Anonymous No.9486298]

The Dreamcast is the peak "you had to be there" console, all of its best games were incredibly original at the time but 20 years of gayming history makes them seem underwhelming now. It's impossible for someone to put in Shenmue in current year and understand what it meant playing it back in the early 2000s.

[Anonymous No.9486303]

>>9486286
For mainstream platformers DKC is pretty hard. Lots of bottomless pits and you can only take two hits in a row. I don't understand your autistic fascination with it being a pack-in title.

[Anonymous No.9486321]

>>9486303
>For mainstream platformers DKC is pretty hard
I wouldn't say it's any harder than an earlier pack-in, Super Mario World. DKC is even easier due to jumping being possible mid-fall, which is clearly set up that way to help poor players. I don't understand your autistic acclaim for a pack-in title.

[Anonymous No.9486325]

>>9485915
back to redit you go

[Anonymous No.9486328]

>>9485937
>It doesn’t have much else going on
you don't know the dc library, you don't talk

[Anonymous No.9486329]

>>9486321
Jumping out of a roll off a ledge is something poor players have a hard time with.
>I don't understand your autistic acclaim for a pack-in title
Everybody in the world who isn't an autistic sperg who melts down over all things even remotely related to Nintendo says it's a classic game. There is only one loser who feels the need to bring up the fact it was a pack-in game every single time he encounters it.

[Anonymous No.9486335]

>>9485692
top zoom

[Anonymous No.9486354]

>>9486328
Dreamcast was alive for less than 2 years. It is an incomplete library with massive holes. Stop acting like it’s a carefully hand selected curated selection of games. All the flagship titles like Shenmue, crazy taxi and jet grind radio are completely irrelevant on other systems but somehow “huge hits” on the Dreamcast, says it all

[Anonymous No.9486371]

>>9486354
>Shenmue, crazy taxi and jet grind radio
you don't know the dc library, you don't talk
also the dc has the best good/bad ratio with like, only 5 bad games in the entire library, so yeah its gud, I'll even say its the best vr console

[Anonymous No.9486380]

>>9486329
>Jumping out of a roll off a ledge is something poor players have a hard time with.
It's not hard, just fall and jump, or roll off and jump. It's not hard at all. It is obtuse, as it breaks platform convention.
>Everybody in the world who isn't an autistic sperg who melts down over all things even remotely related to Nintendo says it's a classic game. There is only one loser who feels the need to bring up the fact it was a pack-in game every single time he encounters it.
So you're autistically obsessed with it and defend it from a boogeyman because it's popular? It's popular because it's a pack-in, hence why so many people praise it. It's not a very interesting game.

[Anonymous No.9486383]

>>9486371
It’s only good if you
>are a contrarian hipster who fell for the meme and now have to defend your poor choice after spending the money
>are a boomer who are still basking in the short lived glory of nExT gEn before ps2 put sega out of business
>are an arcade port fag
We know the library because fags like you always spam the lists and collages, you’re only proving yourself wrong every time and hope you know that. Decidedly the worst console of its generation, wake up dreamie

[Anonymous No.9486385]

>>9486383
I'm no Dreamcast fan, really I think it's as weak as the master system in terms of library but it's definitely better than the gamecube.

[Anonymous No.9486387]

>>9486380
>It is obtuse, as it breaks platform convention.
Guess it does something special after all.
>boogeyman
I don't think you understand what that word means. It obviously doesn't apply when exactly one autistic retard obsesses over DKC being a pack-in game.

[Anonymous No.9486392]

>>9485626
Sure thing, buddy.

[Anonymous No.9486397]

>>9486387
>Guess it does something special after all.
Plenty of games have modifiers for jumping, DKC's is just implemented poorly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't even think the manual explains it. You're meant to infer it based on the location of collectibles being out of the way of your jump. Remember how this conversation started from claiming the SNES has no heavy hitters or genre defining titles? It's still true, the library itself plays it very safe, the big and interesting games were stuck on Genesis. You only wanted to focus on DKC as if it's some revolutionary game because it has pretty graphics. Still, this doesn't make the SNEStendo bad.

Maybe consoles don't need a big meme to rally behind like a pack in title. After all, what praises are there to sing for Wii Sports other than it showed you can swing a remote for an input?

[Anonymous No.9486401]

>>9486228
>Donkey Kong Country
>Genre defining
Running, jumping, and rolling isn't genre defining. Or do you mean collecting useless trinkets which games have done before that.

[Anonymous No.9486408]

>>9486397
I hate to be the one to break this to you but the Genesis was only a success because of Sonic and... well are you sitting down? Take a look at this.

[Anonymous No.9486415]

>>9486383
I'm a zoomer first of all, and its the first console I bought with my money
>defend your poor choice after spending the money
its not a poor choice, the dc ic cool because it hasn't aged a bit, games running at 60fps in vga is amazing, I grew up with the ps2 and gc, but those now look/run like shit compared to the dc. also, i can sell my shit for more than I originaly payed retard
>We know the library because fags like you always spam the lists and collages, you’re only proving yourself wrong every time and hope you know that. Decidedly the worst console of its generation, wake up dreamie
kek nice cope, the dreamcast has more than just 30 games retard, and they all look gud, so go back to ur pixaleted, blurry, low res ps2 or whatever vr shit came out after the dc, while I play on my 60fps dc games on vga

[Anonymous No.9486418]

>>9486408
Anon...do you think I have something against pack-in titles? It doesn't bother me, at least, not to the extent it bothers you. Let me blow your mind...
DKC is not a terrible game. I think it's pretty fun, but not a great game.

I even had it with my childhood SNES :) I think argumentation on the internet has rotted you brain if you feel this is a gotcha of some sort. Once again, I'm not the one fixated on it, that is a you problem.

[Anonymous No.9486427]

>>9486418
>do you think I have something against pack-in titles?
Only when they're Nintendo related. Obviously it's ok when Sega does it in your mentally ill mind.

[Anonymous No.9486430]

>>9486427
Sounds like projection, Sonic also sold as well as it did and is remembered as fondly as it is because it's a pack-in title. With that statement keep in mind how it informs my views on DKC.

[Anonymous No.9486436]

>>9486383
I'm a zoomer first of all, and its the first console I bought with my money
>defend your poor choice after spending the money
its not a poor choice, the dc ic cool because it hasn't aged a bit, games running at 60fps in vga is amazing, I grew up with the ps2 and gc, but those now look/run like shit compared to the dc. also, i can sell my shit for more than I originaly payed retard
>We know the library because fags like you always spam the lists and collages, you’re only proving yourself wrong every time and hope you know that. Decidedly the worst console of its generation, wake up dreamie
kek nice cope, the dreamcast has more than just 30 games retard, and they all look gud, so go back to ur pixaleted, blurry, low res ps2 or whatever vr shit came out after the dc, while I play my 60fps dc games on vga

[Anonymous No.9486441]

>>9486430
>Sonic also sold as well as it did and is remembered as fondly as it is because it's a pack-in title
So that means it's bad.

[Anonymous No.9486450]

>>9486441
>So that means it's bad.
If that's what you took from this entire discussion, your brain is truly rotted and damaged by console wars.

[Anonymous No.9486454]

>>9486450
What I gathered was it's okay when Sega does it.

[Anonymous No.9486463]

>>9486408
>>9486418
>>9486450
>>9486454
this is a dreamcast thread retards

[Anonymous No.9486475]

>>9486463
I was distracting a console warrior for you, and this is how you repay me?

[Anonymous No.9486482]

>>9486475
You literally entered this thread seething about Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.9486484]

>>9486482
Potato calling the tomato black. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.9486487]

>>9485594
persecution fetish

[Anonymous No.9486494]

>>9486475
I was jk, go get that mf

[Anonymous No.9486498]

>>9486487
>persecution fetish
go on, go make a thread criticizing the n64

[Anonymous No.9486502]

>>9486484
You objectively entered this thread deflecting to the SNES out of butthurt.

[Anonymous No.9486517]

>>9486436
>originaly payed retard
>fps obsessed in /vr/
>cant name any games other than obscure no name arcade ports that nobody gives a shit about
Gamecube had a lot of amazing looking games that still hold up today. You’re doing it wrong anyways, dreamcast was never in competition with ps2 or gamecube, flopped so hard it literally made sega stop making consoles. Some fanboy retard like yourself will never ever change that. Dreamcast has a thin library with huge holes because it went out of business. You’re an idiot who fell for the youtuber influencer meme

[Anonymous No.9486541]

>>9486517
>>cant name any games other than obscure no name arcade ports that nobody gives a shit about
do you want a complete list? the dc has much more than just arcade ports, but agian, if you knew the dreamcast library you'd shut up
>Gamecube
the gc is shit and the controller is retarded, the only console that can truly surpase the dc is the xbox
>had a lot of amazing looking games that still hold up today
nice cope but no, no vga no nothing, the gc is a meme
>You’re an idiot who fell for the youtuber influencer meme
didn't regret it because the dreamcat is cool

[Anonymous No.9486546]

>>9486541
As a huge PS2 fan, Sega was right with analog triggers. 3DCP/DC/Xbox have the superior idea, but the PlayStation was right about shoulder buttons.

[Anonymous No.9486573]

>>9486546
I prefer analog triggers, its better for racing and airplane games

[Anonymous No.9486578]

>>9486573
I agree, but find some sort of shoulder buttons a necessity. So the combination of the two as separate dedicated inputs would be ideal.

[Anonymous No.9486596]

Amazing how the Dreamcast filters zoomies out. I guess you just had to be there.
1999 PS1 and N64 were still being sold for 149-199 where. I lived and then comes the Dreamcast 199 a next gen system with a great launch lineup.

[Anonymous No.9486603]

>>9486541
>the gc is shit and the controller is retarded
he says while defending the DC that has fewer buttons and only one analog stick
>no vga
it has component retard

[Anonymous No.9486620]

>>9486603
>he says while defending the DC that has fewer buttons and only one analog stick
just because ur retard controller has more buttons doesn't mean its better, also you have a keyboard and mouse if you wan to play fps games
>it has component retard
and dc has vga, idk whats ur point there

[Anonymous No.9486638]

Why do zoomies always have these bizarre headcanons? Some of the shit I am reading I this thread is about as insane as claiming the PC Engine outsold the Mega Drive in Japan because it had better composite output.

[Anonymous No.9486641]

>>9486620
>just because ur retard controller
you have the retard controller. fewer buttons, no second analog stick, no built in rumble, less ergonomic. you can cry all you want, the DC controller is objectively worse in every way.
>you have a keyboard and mouse if you wan to play fps games
or i could just play a PC. i shouldnt need to plug in a fucking keyboard and mouse just to play games on a console.
>and dc has vga, idk whats ur point there
component is literally the same quality as VGA you dumb cuck

[Anonymous No.9486647]

>>9486641
>component is literally the same quality as VGA you dumb cuck
Not that guy but, this is factually wrong.

[Anonymous No.9486651]

>>9486647
>Not that guy but, this is factually wrong.
no it isn't. show me a comparison picture of VGA vs component right now. they are 99.9% identical, component might even be better.

[Anonymous No.9486653]

>>9486647
You'd be hard pressed to tell any differences using the same source.

[Anonymous No.9486654]

>>9486653
Use a fat Xbox360 to compare then, VGA is way better.

[Anonymous No.9486656]

>>9486654
>source: dude trust me
no, back up your claims. post a picture. you won't.

[Anonymous No.9486661]

>>9486656
I couldn't care less. I gave you the tools, try it out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.9486673]

>>9485479
It was loved because it has good specs, a cute gimmick, some good games, and was so ungodly easy to pirate games for even the 3rd world Brazilian toadies could play sonic. That's it.

[Anonymous No.9486681]

>>9486641
>has never hold a dc controller
fits very well in ur hand
>MUH 2 ANALOG STICKS
you cry more while I play quake 3 arena (dc version has more polys than the pc version btw) with my keyboard and mouse
>component is literally the same quality as VGA you dumb cuck
its not you, thus proving my point.
My point: (You) are retarded

[Anonymous No.9486683]

>>9486651
>component might even be better.
kek, first of all, scart is way better than component and second, vga is superior to both of those, just look here>>9486436
thats an lcd screen btw, no input lag or fuzzy image, even on a vga crt its way better than component you /vr/gin

[Anonymous No.9486696]

>>9485541
>>9486298
>>9486371
Why do people like to pretend Shenmue was anything more than a quirky chinaman real-life simulator that desperately tried to be THE GAME for a console that was basically dead at that point?

[Anonymous No.9486697]

>>9486683
>kek, first of all, scart is way better than component
SCART is a connector, not a video signal. The fact you dont even know this makes your arguments completely irrelevant due to tech illiteracy.

[Anonymous No.9486705]

>>9486697
>playing dumb on purpose

[Anonymous No.9486708]

>>9486696
>cringe pic
opinion discarded also kys

[Anonymous No.9486709]

>>9486696
I have no idea what anyone sees in Shenmue, it's just bad. Especially if you like Sega games.

[Anonymous No.9486710]

>>9486697
>cope
scart
is
better
vga
is
better
deal with it and kys

[Anonymous No.9486712]

It's a great system if you're into arcade games but if you're more into "console games" you're not going to like it.

[Anonymous No.9486713]

>>9486709
>it's just bad
play it before saying shit
https://youtu.be/DSOkM4e85SA

[Anonymous No.9486714]

>>9486713
I did and nothing happened for actual hours

[Anonymous No.9486716]

>>9485486
>>9485495
>>9485516
>>9485521
kek
the absolute state

[Anonymous No.9486718]

>>9486713
music, so what? where's the gameplay, you know. the reason to play a game?

[Anonymous No.9486723]

>>9486714
>>9486718
go play it retards

[Anonymous No.9486725]

>>9486710
you dont even know what SCART is
either you're tech illiterate or just a dumb ESL who cant even argument

[Anonymous No.9486737]

shitmue is a walking sim. Literally nothing happens. Why the fuck would I larp as some shitty jap doing nothing all day lmao

[Anonymous No.9486742]

>>9486725
still coping? wow

[Anonymous No.9486745]

>>9486737
>Literally nothing happens.
how much do you have to suck at shenmue to say this

[Anonymous No.9486750]

>>9486745
I know, you unlock the badly emulated version of Space Harrier after only 30 minutes!

[Anonymous No.9486751]

>>9486714
must suck being this dumb

[Anonymous No.9486757]

>>9486750
no you don't...stop larping and go play the game

[Anonymous No.9486789]

>>9485479
Marvel vs Capcom 2 machine

[Anonymous No.9486825]

i like that i can recognize the segautismo that's been shitting a lot of threads lately.

[Anonymous No.9486845]

>>9486825
>dreamcast only has 5 bad games
>play on vga
Funnier that this recognizable retard is the lone soldier for this failed console

[Anonymous No.9486853]

>>9486825
>>9486845
rent free, cope, and no arguments

[Anonymous No.9486860]

>>9486845
dont forget shitty english and bringing the N64 out of nowhere

[Anonymous No.9486867]

>>9486860
cry more

[Anonymous No.9486874]

>>9485495
>>9485516
>>9485521
those ports either came many years later, and/or had a lot of technical issues. Crazy Taxi on PC had horrible microstutter and didn't even include the original Offspring music.

Imagine if someone released a Wolfenstein 3d clone in 1996 next to Quake and Duke3d. That's how those late ports felt.

[Anonymous No.9486878]

>>9485612
yeah, the retards who could pick from both version and chose the SNES one.

[Anonymous No.9487016]

>>9486015
>Western devs skipped Saturn
Sega Saturn had EA, the biggsest Western publisher. Dreamcast did not.

[Anonymous No.9487726]

>>9485479
Cool hot take zoombie. Is there anything in that vacuous noggin of yours that didn't come from youtube?

[Anonymous No.9487786]

>>9485479
Dreamcast went under because they didnt sell enough software for it. Says everything about the console there is to say.

[Anonymous No.9487865]

>>9485495
>>9485516
>>9485521
kek

[Anonymous No.9487872]

>>9486874
Bullshit excuse. If those tiny issues turn a 90% game into shit, it was never a 90% game to begin with. And many of those ports are arguably better or rather neutral like Sonic Adventure 2

[Anonymous No.9487885]

>>9486878
>SNES Al has actual platforming balanced around your momentum throughout the entire game rather than crouch and massacre guards which plays like slow shit and isn't Aladdin like
>actually has the movie's color scheme and backgrounds
>flying carpet level is free-form like Helicopter Game and not le press where arrow is
>uses movie music and new fitting arrangements and medleys rather than only slapping the movie music on the game without any rhyme or reason (Prince Ali music in the first level for some reason)
>Sega Al's multi planes like stairs are retarded to use, can't just jump on them like in Castlevania at that time
>fundamentally broken because the camera doesn't stay centric
Prefering Sega Aladdin is an absolute midwit concession. Period.
One was made by Mikami and one by 2 trash-game developers from the UK for God's sake

[Anonymous No.9487908]

>>9486874
>Crazy Taxi on PC had horrible microstutter and didn't even include the original Offspring music.
What was so wrong with the GC version that made it 20 points worse?

[Anonymous No.9488023]

>>9487908
Nintendo fanboyism rating sega dreamcast games lower even on their own system they cannot admit to the greatness of dreamcast

[Anonymous No.9488056]

>>9485479
It's good, but I don't think I'd put it above Playstation 1 or 2

Still worth picking up if prices go down

[Anonymous No.9488060]

>>9487872
>If those tiny issues turn a 90% game into shit, it was never a 90% game to begin with.

Making the controls borderline unusable means the game can still be 90%? If that was true, Bubsy 3d would've been bigger than mario 64.

>And many of those ports are arguably better or rather neutral like Sonic Adventure 2
I played most of them, they weren't. PS2 ports all had worse textures and less sharp graphics, GC ports had the lightning screwed up, PC ports had a plethora of random bugs due to being ports of a port of a port.

[Anonymous No.9488075]

>>9487908
>What was so wrong with the GC version that made it 20 points worse?

It came out 2 years later on a 5x more powerful system and it looked the same and had no extra content whatsoever. By the time you could get better looking games with a lot more content.

[Anonymous No.9488145]

Worth owning just for House of the Dead 2, Soul Calibur and the main town district of Shenmue :)

[Anonymous No.9488152]

>>9487786
Well to be fair the hardware was being sold at such a massive loss that the amount of software required to make up the difference was absurd. The attach rate for the Dreamcast was pretty good actually at about 8:1. That's pretty much on par for a lot of other systems of that generation as well as previous generations.

The problem is that in the US they kept dropping the hardware to keep hype going and it just made the hole they were trying to get out of deeper. So while their attach rate was 8:1, they needed it to be something absurd like 16:1 or more to make up the difference.

[Anonymous No.9488156]

>>9488075
Sounds like the GC and PS2 raised the bar when it comes to game quailty.

[Anonymous No.9488165]

>>9486661
>makes a claim
>puts burden of proof on the other person
thats not how it works

[Anonymous No.9488234]

>>9486681
>dc version has more polys than the pc version btw
LMAO, more polys than what? PC version on lowest settings? DC would explode trying to run Q3 with max geometry, textures, shadows, etc. and that's not even accounting for the fact that Q3 on DC only supports 4 fucking players. holy shit you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.9488246]

>>9488234
cope more while I play quake 3 with more polys on vga with my keyboard and online

[Anonymous No.9488396]

>>9488060
please show me all the instances of broken lighting in the gc version that account for a 20 point deficit and balance out all the gc improvements like the better framerate, multiplayer, much better chao garden and fixed 2d sprites

ofc let's also continue ignoring it's a trash game on both systems and the 90% are beyond ridiculous either way

[Anonymous No.9488401]

>>9488396
>better framerate, multiplayer, much better chao garden and fixed 2d sprites
the dc version already runs at 60fps retard, without mentionimg the vga support, and the garden is better on dc, you have the mini game

[Anonymous No.9488404]

>>9485479
I will say that I found out the other day that my Gamecube disc drive had died, so I plugged my Dreamcast in to see if it was broken too since it's older, and guess what? The Dreamcast is running just fine because diamonds don't break.

[Anonymous No.9488416]

>>9488404
More likely that it doesn't have anywhere near the mileage because there's fuck all to play on the thing.

[Anonymous No.9488654]

>>9485486
PowerStone is like that too. Was like a 9/10 game on DC and then the PSP collection was trashed by reviewers
>>9488401
>dc version already runs at 60fps retard
That doesn't mean it's as constant, brainlet. DC was weak as shit

[Anonymous No.9489059]

>>9488654
>That doesn't mean it's as constant, brainlet. DC was weak as shit
it runs at 60fps and slow downs aren't noticicables, I'd say the dc version is better and the gc sucks

[Anonymous No.9489095]

>>9485547
The middle Aladdin is widely considered a better game. You are trying to derail. Sega was a more innovative company in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.9489201]

>>9488404
>The Dreamcast is running just fine because diamonds don't break.

some many dreamcasts already have dead drives

[Anonymous No.9489502]

>>9489059
Source?

[Anonymous No.9489505]

>>9489095
>middle
Bottom is the movie and the SNES game is objectively better unless you like eating shit, see >>9487885

[Anonymous No.9489564]

>>9489502
>Source?
Actually playing the game. You can look at VGA captures as well on youtube and see it's not really slowing down or stuttering in any noticeable way. Now in 2 player mode it might reduce the frame rate, but that's understandable.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Sonic Adventure 1? That one is capped at 30fps on Dreamcast with it being able to hit 60fps on Gamecube. However it's all over the place on Gamecube with the frame rate going as low as the teens. As a result most prefer the Dreamcast version as a locked 30fps is generally more enjoyable than an erratic framerate that sometimes hits 60fps.

[Anonymous No.9490105]

>>9486383
my dreamcast setup cost me 50 bux

[Anonymous No.9490450]

>>9489502
like this anon said>>9489564

[Anonymous No.9492042]

>>9488246
cope more while I play the PC version that has more polys, 1920x1080 res and better effects with up to 64 players.

[Anonymous No.9492086]

>>9492042
>cope
ay

[Anonymous No.9492397]

>>9485925
>>9485925
>>9485925

He's saying dreamcast had no "killer app"

[Anonymous No.9492983]

>>9492397
neither did snes by that metric

[Anonymous No.9492985]

>>9485479
Man what a good console. Still bust mine out from time to time. Great for multiplayer and looks awesome on vga!

[Anonymous No.9492987]

>>9492983
what

[Anonymous No.9492990]

>>9492987
is that what matters to you?

[Anonymous No.9493108]

>>9492985
you're not fooling anyone, shill

[Anonymous No.9493148]

>failed system has cult following
>normies calling it overrated is somehow criticism
lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.9493182]

>>9493108
but hes right, maybe you should kys

[Anonymous No.9493217]

>>9485479
I played
>Sonic Adventure
>Grandia 2
>MvC2
>Capcom vs. SNK 1/2
>Power Stone
>Crazy Taxi
>Shenmue
>Code Veronica
Plus assorted other games. That's not all that bad. You might not think Crazy Taxi is objectively better than other games that were available at the time, but that's not how things work. I played it because it was a new thing, it was one of the things available on the Dreamcast, and it ended up being fun for many hours. What else is a game supposed to do?

[Anonymous No.9493218]

>>9493148

[Anonymous No.9493229]

>>9485692
all of those 2k sports games were the best of their entire series and were the only sports game i ever truly enjoyed. considering the era that's a respectable list of online games let alone being mostly great games.

[Anonymous No.9494346]

>>9493108
He's not trying to fool anyone. Seethe moar.

[Anonymous No.9495468]

>>9485605
i feel bad for you for not enjoying the kino that was PSO

[Anonymous No.9495471]

It's simple. Some people had it as kids and it gives them a great nostalgia.

Consider this: I never had a PS1, but I had a PS2, so I did have access to PS1 but I only had like 5 PS1 games total, and they were kinda all bad. However, I did buy lots of PS1 magazines. (yes they were still making PS1 magazines in 01-03). Those magazines had demos in it. So I got to play lots of demos and I was 100% invested in the PS1 scene and its many titles.... even though I had never really played any of them. I ended up having lots of PS2 games but I never saw the PS2 as being as good as the PS1. It's just difficult to explain, despite not having hands-on experience with practically any PS1 games, there is still something incredibly soulful about PS1 that PS2 never reached. I bought and played tons of PS2 games and I only played the odd PS1 game through emulator or something but I still preferred PS1.
The point is, it doesn't matter how many games Dreamcast had, for some people it encapsulates a certain moment in time, a certain mantra. I think Dreamcast is meh but I think I can understand this pov since I have a similar relationship with PS1

[Anonymous No.9495472]

>>9485516
man this game sucked, esp the find the emerald levels
so shit

[Anonymous No.9495476]

>>9495471
>Some people had it as kids and it gives them a great nostalgia.
ur talking about the n64

[Anonymous No.9495478]

>>9485479
>terrible controller: horrible ergonomics, not enough buttons

I've never understood the disdain for the Dreamcast controller, I've never had a problem with it.

>sharp edges

Not really? I've never felt any discomfort from it

>cord comes out the bottom

that's what the notch in back is for

>Not enough buttons

Maybe it could benefit from a second thumbstick, but using the shoulder buttons to rotate the camera works fine.

[Anonymous No.9495513]

>>9495476
>I was a kid in 96 but I wasn't a kid in 99!
ok, retard

[Anonymous No.9495608]

>>9495472
1 is even worse, imo. Just finding where to go in those awful hubs and then the terrible """"""""""""""""""""""""""platforming""""""""""""""""""""""""""" in the Sonic levels. At least the boost to win Sonic levels in 2 are somewhat polished and fun after the trash levels before and after

[Anonymous No.9496216]

>>9486874
Sonic Adventure 2 Battle came only 8 months after the Dreamcast version.

North American releases:
DC: June 19, 2001
GC: February 11, 2002

[Anonymous No.9496223]

>>9495513
>cope
some more

[Anonymous No.9496227]

>>9487872
>tiny issues
Lol. No offspring music no thanks.

[Anonymous No.9496681]

>>9496223
nta u r coping 2, but you need to go back to le tiktok. lurk moar. when mommies lets u use thems iphone.

[Anonymous No.9496801]

DC sonic advenutre had its fair share of glitches tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcoEdFm3mlE

[Anonymous No.9496806]

ok

[Anonymous No.9496815]

>>9496681
now thats what we call in the 4chans a redit response

[Anonymous No.9497179]

>>9495476
exactly. n64 is only considered good by those who had it as a kid, result of marketing inertia nintendo had.

[Anonymous No.9497730]

>>9496815
lurk moar tiktok

[Anonymous No.9497749]

>>9485541
>Sorry kid, you need to be 25 or older to post here.
Based, fuck zoomers

[Anonymous No.9497829]

>>9485479
Kys retard

[Anonymous No.9497832]

>It didn't have GTA and FF, so it's bad
Awful.

[Anonymous No.9497836]

>>9489201
I have 2 DC one of them was abused really hard and ran a lot of burned disks.
Works perfectly still.

[Anonymous No.9497840]

>>9486696
Because it was and still is an amazing adventure game and we've never seen anything as good in the genre ever again (including Shenmue 3 and every Yakuza games)
>a console that was basically dead at that point?
Spotted the zoomer. Shenmue 2 was released when the console essentially died, but for Shenmue 1 it wasn't the case at all.

>>9486709
You're just wrong and have shit tastes.

[Anonymous No.9497856]

the biggest flaw of shenmue is that it's about a chinese guy. nobody wants to be a manlet who can't grow a beard and has a small pp. if it had been about a white guy living in japan it would've sold a lot better. just look at the last samurai.

[Anonymous No.9497916]

>>9485692
The Sega sports games are actually good. They mog the fuck out of EA shit.

[Anonymous No.9499208]

cool

[Anonymous No.9499219]

>>9485626
anon who the fuck are you tryna to fool

[Anonymous No.9500076]

>>9485479
The Dreamcast obviously has a lot of popular games and to suggest otherwise is just being contrarian, but most of them have computer ports by now. That's a good thing, but it means the Dreamcast is now obsolete.

[Anonymous No.9500382]

>>9485541
oh ok, so it ruined gaming.
good to know it was a bigger piece of shit than I thought

[Anonymous No.9500396]

>>9500076
Most of the Dreamcast's best games got ports or sequels on the PS2 within a year or two
>B-but less jaggies on DC
Nobody gives a fuck compared to getting thousands more games

[Anonymous No.9500398]

>>9500076
>That's a good thing, but it means the Dreamcast is now obsolete.
so by ur retarded logic every console that has pc ports is obsolete

[Anonymous No.9500403]

>>9500382
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.9500404]

>>9500398
The Dreamcast was made obsolete by its own competition.

[Anonymous No.9500406]

>>9500403
I agree, it was a mistake to ever allow Dreamcast on /vr/

[Anonymous No.9500410]

>>9500396
ps2 ports are shit, on the dreamcast you can at least play them on a vga monitor with a crisp image and the games run at a good frame rate unlike pshit2 games that are more pixalated than the cunt of a jap in a porno
(also very blurry)

[Anonymous No.9500413]

>>9500403
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.9500415]

>>9500410
Typical dcfag can't even read

[Anonymous No.9500416]

>>9500404
>The Dreamcast was made obsolete by its own competition.
>>9500406
zoom along

[Anonymous No.9500419]

>>9500415
cope more

[Anonymous No.9500420]

>>9500413
r/eddit

[Anonymous No.9500425]

>>9500416
yeah, zoomers discussing 6th gen consoles killed this board

[Anonymous No.9500426]

>>9485479
The Dreamcast is like Bruce Lee, good, but is only as popular as it is because it died so soon.

[Anonymous No.9500445]

>>9485947
Devil May Cry 3