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Does the Mario advance remakes make the orginal obsolete?

>> No.9469185
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9469185

>>9469179
I don't know but it was just w\hat I needed

>> No.9469265

>>9469179
I don't think that this is a good way to look at remakes

>> No.9469285

GBA doesn't hold a candle to SNES. They're good for a replay at least. The only exception would probably be Super Mario Advance, since it is basically Nintendo upping Super Mario Bros 2 to a real mario entry instead of an obscure romhack made for the USA, it is the GBA's mainline Mario title. They were attempting to replace SMB2 for the NES.

>> No.9469336

>>9469179
>obsolete
No. Mario 3 is the closest since it fine-tunes some mechanics (for example bringing shells through pipes), but the audio still sucks.
Some people don't even consider the All-Stars versions to replace the NES ones.

>> No.9469387

>Just what I needed

>> No.9470025

I'M READY FOR YOU THIS TIME

>> No.9470063

>>9469179
with romhacks no. all the qol features they introduced have been ported over to the original games.

>> No.9470082

>>9469285
This.
SMA1 is also the only one that got remade from ground up for GBA. The rest were based on original game code and weren't tweaked as much.

>> No.9470157

>>9469285
>>9470082
What the fuck are you guys smoking? The only thing sma1 added were:
>useless score nobody cares about
>extra health and mushrooms everywhere so the game is now piss easy
>random extra enemies added randomly
>random enemies replaced with large enemies
>some graphical enhances to showcase gbas capabilities like sprite rotation etc
>annoying voice clips
>nerfed toads run speed

And the actually good things they added:
>5 A-coins in each level
>Yoshi Challenge mode
>R button being dedicated run button separate from the B button which can be used as grab/throw button if you use R as run button
>you can now change characters if you die in level
>new boss

Not to mention the overly bright colors/palette and screen crunch which makes it worse by default. And overall its the same game. SMA4 is the one that actually got good upgrade and new stuff with the e-reader stuff.

>> No.9470195

>>9470157
Because US SMB2 isn't a real Mario game. It's considered the 5th Mario game in its home country, like some little shovelware. SMA1 is a proper introduction as the mainline title on the GBA, and the definitive version of this game by Nintendo. If one would revise the mainline titles, lost levels would be SMB2 and US "SMB2" would be better fit as SMA on the Mario catalogue.

>> No.9470208

>>9470157
>bright colors/palette
Not if you play a Virtual Console release or on original hardware.
>screen crunch
They tweaked the levels for SMA1, so that's not an issue at all. There could be some minor issues, but not nearly as bad as in SMB Deluxe or SMA2-4 (minus e-Reader levels for the latter).

>> No.9470275

>>9470195
>US SMB2 isn't a real Mario game
can people stop parroting this meme, its not true and not funny anymore.

>> No.9470483

>>9470275
meme?

>> No.9470503

>>9470275
i always imagine a less integrated neurodivergent lad honking that fact at his handlers

>> No.9470598

>>9470483
As soon as the irate gamers smb2 video came out, people took it literally and started to spread it, and then it become meme. Before that nobody cared and only knew that there are two SMB2's via all-stars. That guys videos were always poorly made and were full of mistakes and misinformation. So even these days you see people say "AchHuaLlLy sMb2 Is NoT rEaL mArIo GaEm iTs DoUki DoUki PaNiK" because of that goddamn video, and those people mostly likely doesn't even know what famicom disk system is, or have even played the doki doki panic in the first place, or even know anything about it.

>> No.9470609

>>9469179
Only smb3.

>> No.9470616

>>9469336
You can bring shells through pipes in the NES version

>> No.9470712

The original Mario Bros. remake included in all of them is kinda better than the arcade & NES versions.

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9470783

>>9469179
(You) don't make previous males obsolete for example so no, just being smaller, paler and noisier doesn't really cut it.

>> No.9470910

>>9469179
The first one is unique and worth playing if you want an easy version of SMB2 with some new things added. Plus funny voice clips.
SMW isn't really worth dealing with the screen crunch and fart music. Only new thing is Luigi floaty mechanics. Also a new cutscene at the beginning, and another one after completing the Special Zone.
Yoshi's Island adds 6 new levels after beating the game, so that might be worth it.
SMB3 adds a bunch of new levels and mechanics, but you need the e-reader/e-cards or cheats to access them.

>> No.9470925

>>9470025
Kinda disturbing seeing Birdo turn into a green zombie with that rough voice

>> No.9470930

>>9470910
>an easy version of SMB2
Never played it. How is it easier?

>> No.9470937

>>9470930
They added more hearts everywhere I believe.

>> No.9470967

>>9470925
the side effects of HRT

>> No.9471065

>>9469179
>fucked up sound
>fucked up brightness
>romhacky feel
let me guess

>> No.9471076

>>9470930
They added giant enemies, in many places, which can be picked up and thrown on the ground, leaving a heart behind. This can be done as much as you like, so you get many spots with free life refil.

>> No.9471112

>>9470598
I generally dislike USA localization changes, but SMB 2 feels more like SMB 2. Lost levels is more like an expansion. It also set a lot of the characteristics of the series.

>> No.9471204
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9471204

>>9469179

>> No.9471210

>>9471065
Just what I needed.

>> No.9471224

>>9471204
>updated graphics

>> No.9471280

>>9469179
There is no reason to play any of these aside from the ereader levels (the Wii U .gba rom has all of them unlocked)

>> No.9471301

>>9470616
I just checked the NES and SNES versions. You can enter a pipe but it doesn't come out with you into the next room.

>> No.9471310

>>9469179
Super Mario Advance 4 is objectively the best version of SMB3. It has 32 brand new levels. These are long, full-fledged levels that are some of the best in the game. That's about 33% more content than the original SMB3 game. If you play the Virtual Console version, all the new levels are playable from the start.

>> No.9471338

The games look nice and have extra stuff added, but I never played them as what has been holding me back is the smaller screen.
How painful is the smaller screen for both smb2 and smb3?

>> No.9471421

>>9470910
>but you need the e-reader/e-cards or cheats to access them.

They're all unlocked in the Virtual Console version.

>> No.9471429
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9471429

>>9471338
3 isn't a big deal because the original had a bigass HUD taking up half of the screen.

>> No.9471561

>>9471429
Ohh thanks!

>> No.9471596

>>9469179
>WOOHOO JOUST WHAT I NEEDED

>> No.9471606

What are the definitive versions (gba or virtual console or patched) versions of each mario advance title? I don’t care about the voices because I keep the volume low

>> No.9471681

>>9471338
Never had an issue in GBA SMB2. I heard they reworked the levels so that they would feel better on a smaller screen, but changes are fairly minor.

>> No.9471775

PREPARE TO GET... TOASTED

>> No.9471842

>>9471606

>SMA1
SNES Color Restoration: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6439/
Music Pitch Correction: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6468/
Boss Intro Restoration: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6545/

>SMA2
SNES Color Restoration: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/470/
Music Pitch Correction: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4411/

>SMA3
SNES Color Restoration: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2597/

>SMA4 (Use Virtual Console version for e-Reader levels)
SNES Color Restoration: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6227/
SNES Map Restoration: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6000/
Cartridge Rumble (for flashcarts): https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6234/
Glove Fix: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5999/
All Items: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3323/

>> No.9472312

>>9470157
I'm a nostalgic zoomer, and the lack of voice clips, score, and big enemies make the previous versions soulless.

>> No.9472317

>>9469336
Again, me being a nostalgic zoomer, the audio sounds fuller because of the compression.

>> No.9472404

>>9471842
Nice hacks, thanks, mariobro

>> No.9473125

>>9470712
Agreed. Being able to control your jumps midair is a godsend.

>> No.9473218

I wish the other GBA remakes got the same amount of love. SMB3 at least got a lot of extra levels and YI got some too, but poor World got the worst treatment. I would have loved some new enemies, bosses and levels.

>> No.9473226

>>9470967
Kek

>> No.9473235
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9473235

>>9469179
Not really, if anything the smaller screen kinda ruins them.
I do like some of the added stuff though, like the extended ending in Super Mario Workd where they go on a balloon ride.

>> No.9473323

>>9471842
Voice removal hacks?

>> No.9473364

>>9470598
>Donkey donkey picnic

>> No.9474187

>>9473323
SMA1: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2571/
SMA2: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2564/
SMA3: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2590/
SMA4: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2566/

>> No.9474195

>>9471112
this
JP SMB2 feels like a DLC/expansion pack rather than a true sequel

>> No.9474202

>>9474195
Name of Castlevania and SMB 2, might be only time American localizers had a great idea.

>> No.9474843
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9474843

>>9469179
>Make a genuinely amazing remake with tons of QoL updates and new features
>Make 90% of the new features locked behind a card scanning peripheral that nobody bought
What the fuck were they thinking? Had that not been a thing this could have been one of the greatest remakes of all time, but all the cool shit was locked behind card-pack randomness.

>> No.9474913

>>9474843
Thankfully, the Virtual Console version has everything unlocked. PSA, a rom of it exists.

>> No.9474917

>>9470598
>nintendo changes a previously made game to be a mario sequel
>has mario title
>has mario characters
>is sold and treated as a sequel
>i-its not! nooooo muh japerinooooos had a different game!

>> No.9474920

>>9474913
Only the levels. There were other features not enabled in the VC release.
https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Advance_4:_Super_Mario_Bros._3_e-Cards

>> No.9474931

>>9474920
>power-up cards
>demo cards

I can live without them.

>> No.9475007

Are the e-reader levels good?

>> No.9475026

>>9475007
They're great.

>> No.9475124

>>9474917
that poster agrees with you...

>> No.9475273
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9475273

>>9469179
No. In fact, I would say that the Mario Advance games are obsolete nowadays because of how mainstreamed emulation has become compared to twenty years ago. You can play the originals (NES and SNES versions alike) without screen crunch or subpar music, and you can play them on anything from your PC, Switch or even your phone. Hell you could boot em up on a smart fridge if you're feeling cheeky.
But even when the Mario Advance games were new, they did not make obsolete the originals or their All-Star remakes because people didn't really have their old consoles or old Mario games on hand or in working condition. We weren't dropping All-Stars for Mario Advance; we just didn't have widespread access to All-Stars like today. Emulation existed but wasn't as popular or as good as now. Maybe that's because PC compatible controllers were still kind of a rarity then. Now you can use just about any modern console controller on your PC or get a cheap USB controller from Amazon. I mean, yeah in 2005 you could have gotten an USB controller and be in emulation heaven, but people weren't really doing that back then outside of really dedicated gamers.
It's still worth it to play through the SMA4: SMB3 if only because of the e-Reader stuff, most of which we did not get in America back then.

>> No.9475276

>>9475273
In the 00's I was playing emulated games on a keyboard and I still think it works great for 2d games.

>> No.9475278

>>9469179
No, all remakes, remasters and reimaginations are bad
And you shoud kill yourself for making this thread

>> No.9475286

>>9475276
Some people liked the keyboard controls, especially for RPGs and stuff like that, but I remember a common gripe being that playing platformers with a keyboard wasn't nearly as good as a controller. I still played a lot of fast-paced NES and SNES games that way back then though because I was just so hungry to play all these games I missed out on in the 90s.

>> No.9475435

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9H7ulK4Cbw

SMB3 on GBA had a SHIT load of bug fixes and gameplay improvements.

>> No.9475753

>>9469179
>Does the Mario advance remakes make the orginal obsolete?
No. Sort of the other way around: you can emulate All-Stars + World and SMW2 at any time on almost any device so there's no reason to keep playing inferior versions of them that have lower resolution and JUST WHAT I NEEDED. Only thing that keeps the Super Mario Advance series from being totally replaced is there's some e-Reader content in the SMB3 remake that makes it worth a try.

>> No.9475857
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9475857

>>9474931
>Hard Mode approximating OG Famicom release
>SMB2 Veggies as a common gameplay feature

>> No.9475905
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9475905

Is SMA4's story mode ultimately easier than SMB3's? I heard of added blocks and tighetened pits in some places but does the smaller screen size offset it or not?

>> No.9475909

>>9470025
I’LL REMEMBER THIS!

>> No.9475919

It would be cool if they made remakes that don't look shitty for these games. I don't see the point the point of these anymore

>> No.9475993

>>9475753
but I want to play SMA specifically for JUST WHAT I NEEDED

>> No.9475998

>>9475919
this is the point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj0ubNAkkco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8xQn5gqWk

>> No.9476443

>>9475857
Just so you know, GBA emulators nowadays can read e-Reader card FILES (which you'll have to download, of course).

>> No.9477975

Bump

>> No.9479662

>>9476443
What if I want to use them on real hardware?

>> No.9480147
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9480147

Something interesting that RetroAchievements introduced me to.
One of the e-cards in SMA4 activates a hard mode that gives you only 2 hits, like SMB1 and SMW; doubles boss health; converts all Koopas into Buzzy Beetles or Spinies, and also converts all Piranha Plants into the fire-breathing kind.
It makes certain levels like 7-8 brutally difficult unless you just fly over this part

Wendy is also very challenging, you have to jump on her 6 times while her 3 projectiles are flying around.