/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9467362]

Why don't they make dungeon crawlers that look like this anymore?

[Anonymous No.9467483]

>>9467362
There are tons of modern grid-based dungeon crawlers. What the fuck are you asking?

[Anonymous No.9467513]

>>9467483
>explore brown/grey square cave #138518

[Anonymous No.9467620]

Probably because gridbased dungeon crawlers went out of vogue roughly 30 years ago and now only crop up as the odd indie title.

[Anonymous No.9467667]

>>9467362
because thats not a Dungeon Crawler thats a Meadow Stroller

[Anonymous No.9467702]

>dungeon
>open skies
???

[Anonymous No.9467710]

>>9467513
tons of modern jap ones that have outdoor "dungeons" even then, but i can only assume you don't count those for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.9467727]

>>9467710
I like some of those but look how ugly that is compared to OP. I wish Japs would put a little more effort in the art for these games.

[Anonymous No.9467752]

>>9467362
Where is the dungeon?

[Anonymous No.9467763]

Because they're boring as shit, also you're wrong, there are plenty of new steam games like this, like grimrock legend of nahua-something tales of xel something etcetera

[Anonymous No.9467770]

>>9467483
>tons
>only grimrock comes close to a classic look and even then it's 3D then pixeled

[Anonymous No.9467785]

>>9467770
>waah the game play exactly the same but its 3D so it doesnt count

[Anonymous No.9468425]

>>9467770
Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar was the real last blobber, but even then it came out as a weird final product that needed a lot more polish in the gameplay department and the visuals are all a weird mishmash of styles. It was still fun to explore though.

[Anonymous No.9468486]

>>9467362
>>9467513

The most popular series of dungeon crawlers out there these days is full of lush environments though...

[Anonymous No.9468493]

>>9468486

[Anonymous No.9468507]

>>9468493

[Anonymous No.9468742]

>>9467362
Which game?

[Anonymous No.9468832]

>>9468742
Ishar. I think it's the first one.

[Anonymous No.9468842]

>>9467770
Grimrock I and II can be played in glorious nvidia 3D vision

[Anonymous No.9468858]

>>9467483
>>9467770
OP's complaint seemed more focused on dull browns and greys. I don't think Grimrock full of all it's grim looking rocks is going to satisfy him.

It's such a shame there isn't some big dungeon crawler series based around exploring crazy cool looking environments and gettingyour ass kicked by crazy mobs.

[Anonymous No.9468885]

The Ishar trilogy was such an insanely good looking series of games. They were absolutely awful to play, but they looked so good, and they had the best character portraits of all time. They really might be one of the best examples of pixel art.

[Anonymous No.9468938]

>>9468885
I legit can't tell if you are serious or trolling. This is the best pixel art of all time? Or is it funny to say you think this is the best pixel art of all time. On this board it's a coin flip which is all the weirder.

[Anonymous No.9469001]

>>9468938
Not that anon but the Ishar games look genuinely great on a CRT

[Anonymous No.9469058]

>>9467727
The game in that pic is merely underwhelming. Something like stranger in sword city has better art.

[Anonymous No.9469065]

>>9468842
I wish I had 3D vision but I can't find a download anywhere

[Anonymous No.9469213]

>>9468938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XulKFflIe7Y

Ishar looks absolutely fantastic, especially in motion.

[Anonymous No.9469295]

>>9468425
It is also a masterpiece. As expected of the absolute legend who created this quintessential work of vidya.

[Anonymous No.9469303]

>>9468938
Are you blind, bro? Your pic looks incredible.

[Anonymous No.9469308]

>>9467362
Probably due to the technological advances of the past 30 years, especially in graphics.

You’ll notice they also stopped making single screen action-platformers like Donkey Kong or Popeye.

[Anonymous No.9469343]

I love these kinds of games. They are, along with shmups, the last bastion of truly oldschool design philosophy. There's just a purity to the whole experience that modern RPGs can't even approach. It's like the difference between a ready made can of food warmed up in a microwave versus going out into the woods, hunting for meat, foraging for herbs and mushrooms, then building your own fire to cook it. It's way more grueling and uncomfortable to do, but it just feels so much more fucking real.

[Anonymous No.9470643]

>>9469213
Lol you people are surreal.

[Anonymous No.9470812]

>>9469343
You forgot fighters.

[Anonymous No.9470836]

>>9468486
>>9468493
Really good series.

[Anonymous No.9470998]

>>9469343
>microwave versus going out into the woods, hunting for meat, foraging for herbs and mushrooms, then building your own fire to cook it. It's way more grueling and uncomfortable to do, but it just feels so much more fucking real.

If you haven't, I recommend trying the original Monster Hunter. They lessened that aspect bit by bit with each new game, but especially in the first one you literally do all that. If you want a steak to keep your stamina up, you have to go kill a dinosaur, cut a hunk of meat off it then cook it for the right amount of time so it's not undercooked or burnt. It's also got a unique and wonderful control scheme that they totally ditched after that. Beautiful game.

[Anonymous No.9471615]

This stuff takes work and no one wants to work.
t. NEET

[Anonymous No.9471654]

>>9470836
It sure is. I wish the character designs were a little less moe, but other than that they're great. Monster designs are generally cool, dungeon layouts and aesthetics are awesome, the bullshit it throws at you compares to your available skills is a great balance (after EO2) and the music is out of this world.

[Anonymous No.9471684]

Starcrawlers

[Anonymous No.9471897]

>>9469295
>It is also a masterpiece. As expected of the absolute legend who created this quintessential work of vidya.
Absolute based Thal poster.

[Anonymous No.9471927]

>>9468425
>>9469295
>>9471897
Watching him troll normies on steam was hilarious. What has it been, 5 years? They are still sperging on the forums about things he said.

[Anonymous No.9471939]

>>9471927
5 years ago we were shitposting hard about this game...
where did the time go

[Anonymous No.9472741]

>>9470998
>unique and wonderful control scheme
That's a funny way to say stupid bullshit

[Anonymous No.9472749]

This untranslated wizardry alternative game is straight busin, item cap.

[Anonymous No.9472781]

>>9467667
Recommend some meadow strollers.

[Anonymous No.9472790]

>>9471897
KILL ALL SAPES

[Anonymous No.9473954]

>>9472741
I'm betting you haven't even played it, or did so only very briefly.

[Anonymous No.9473976]

>>9467770
>and even then it's 3D then pixeled
That's expedient because that means you don't need to draw up/pre-render lots of stills or segments of stills to then assemble, and the lighting can be altered as you go (again, without having to redo all the assets, or for instance doing a whole bunch of animation frames). It makes it easier to put the scenery together in general.
There's a certain kind of charm in those old games where a lot of that stuff was just plain painted up as a whole, it's a craft and I love seeing that shit, but I'm not gonna shit on anyone who doesn't want to go through all of that, especially when a straightforward modern approach just automatically solves a number of things for you like that, saving lots and LOTS of time. There's a reason people were doing pre-rendered 3D even in the early 90s.

As long as it isn't asset flips or AI generated shit/upscale bullshit (re-releases/remakes/remasters), or randomly generated levels for a first person shooter, I really am not that upset.

>>9468938
I'm maybe not blown the fuck away by that one screenshot, but it certainly doesn't look bad at all, everything is drawn and colored well, perspective and lighting is all well done. The environment looks slightly flat and boxy, but that's just the nature of this particular flavor of game, it's how they're put together.

>>9469213
Yep, it certainly is very nice to look at, there's nothing here which isn't at the very least quite competent, a lot looking particularly good. The way shading and coloring is done in a few character portraits looks like they're done in a bit of a different style (different artist?), so there's maybe a slight clash there, but none of the portraits look bad at all.
I've never played the Ishtar games, and I'll be honest and say that I'm really not in awe, but at the same time to say that this is mediocre or even ugly is just incorrect, this is pretty fucking good.

[Anonymous No.9474847]

>>9469065
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XulKFflIe7Y

You need a 3DTV or a 3D vision compatible monitor with the nvidia 3D pyramid emitter and the nvidia glasses. For 3DTV's you can use Xpand 104x glasses which you can program to any IR protocol.

Many DirectX9 games, most DirectX11 games are fully playable in stereoscopic 3D if you have the right 3D hardware. New universal fixes for both Unity and Unreal Engine 4 games are coming out all the time.

See Helix Mod for more details.

[Anonymous No.9475886]

Is there any good Dungeon Crawler Maker out there? Something easy to use like RPG Maker?

[Anonymous No.9477662]

>>9471927
I miss when devs had guts
Now they crumple like foil over a little bit of blowback

[Anonymous No.9477707]

What are some dungeon crawlers with free movement like Wizardry 8 and Wizards and Warriors? I loved those games and I don't mind grid-based movement but I loved just wandering around with my party.

[Anonymous No.9477759]

>>9477707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md41P_fxDKs
I honestly can't stand this shit. The movement frusturates me too much, but I know there are good games underneath. Speaking of which, also try the ultima underworld games. They are proto survival games.

[Anonymous No.9478027]

>>9471684
I actually played this not too long ago. pretty good, but just a bit too shallow, like most indie games.

[Anonymous No.9478571]

>>9474847
>map screen is a parchment on a table with a hand on it

[Anonymous No.9478771]

>>9467710
Etrian feels like it's almost all outdoors, which kind of sucks imo

[Anonymous No.9479319]

God, I have so much nostalgia for Ishar 1. If LoG2 could support an actually connected overworld I would've remade it already.

[Anonymous No.9479338]

>>9471897
>>9471927
I forgot about this guy. He thought he was a neanderthal, right? Gave me good lels, I forgot he was the one that made grimoire.

[Anonymous No.9479342]

>>9474847
I bought helix I think a year or two ago because I wanted to use it for VR (no longer have a 3DTV or monitor sadly) and a new one is on my list. 3D was fucking radical, Lost Planet 2 looked goddamn amazing in 3D. Always saddens me that others didn't agree. Thanks for the info, I've seen that discord before but it feels impenetrable and like everyone is kind of an insular weirdo, which is fine by me until I'm trying to get some info and they're going on and on about shit that's irrelevant to me. Felt like trying to sign up for dial up.

[Anonymous No.9479346]

i wish they would release Lands of Lore on steam, maybe a remastered version (just to make it feature rich, keep the original graphics).

i only got to play it once as a kid and it seemed kino as heck

[Anonymous No.9479351]

>>9477707
at some point shouldn't they just be a group of characters moving around who then engage in DnD combat where you move X distance per turn and can do Y actions? Kind of like the last remnant or xenoblade, though the latter is an action game.

[Anonymous No.9479353]

>>9475886
that'd be cool. bet there's one in Japanese somewhere.

[Anonymous No.9479398]

>>9467362
Same reason they don't make characters that look like this anymore

[Anonymous No.9479490]

>>9477759
I feel your pain, brother.
Don't get Menzoberranzan or the Ravenloft games either. I Want to but just can't play them

[Anonymous No.9479785]

I've been playing Might and Magic 7 after finishing 6 but it has so much arbitrarily gated off content it's frustrating give me Lloyd's Bacon already sheesh.

[Anonymous No.9479812]

>>9479490
I played them back when they came out, but god damn, they're unplayable now. I installed Ravenloft: Strahd's Possession and played for 5 minutes today. The controls are just awful.

[Anonymous No.9479850]

>>9467362
there was that game made by a guy who called people sapes and thought he fixed every microbug before release, don't remember what it's called

[Anonymous No.9479926]

>>9479850
Grimoire, already posted in the thread.

[Anonymous No.9479928]

>>9467362
Others have said it but the Etrian Odyssey games are like the go-to if you want modern first-person crawlers

[Anonymous No.9479961]

I prefer my dungeon crawlers to look like this.

[Anonymous No.9480015]

>>9479319
What is the best way to play the games today? Back when I had a 486 they worked well, but they reliably hanged in DOSBox whenever I tried more recently. Come to think of it, I don't believe they worked under win98 either

[Anonymous No.9480434]

>>9480015
>but they reliably hanged in DOSBox whenever I tried more recently.
Are you sure? Because I always use dosbox and they work fine; but if you want another option you can play the Amiga version, they're the same game with slightly better sound quality.