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9455194 No.9455194 [Reply] [Original]

Why was GBA so short lived?

>> No.9455214

>>9455194
it stuck around for like 7 years what are you on about

>> No.9455215

It's weird to think the GBA was only really around for like four years. It feels like such a significant system.

>> No.9455216

>>9455194
psp

>> No.9455219

It was getting games until 2007, GBC got games only for 4 years

>> No.9455228

>>9455219
Third party releases, sure. I think Nintendo pretty much dropped it as soon as the DS was out though.

>> No.9455234

>GBC 1998, it's basically the same console as GB but still
>GBA 2001
>DS 2004
Bravo, Nintendo

>> No.9455237

>>9455234
And then DS got games until 2011

>> No.9455250

>>9455194
because Sony was bringing out the PSP, so Nintendo panicked and rushed out the DS to compete.
it's a shame we never got any real new Mario games on the GBA

>> No.9455261
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9455261

>>9455194
Much like the 90s, the 2000s were an era of rapid technological innovation.
Already by 2004, the GBA appeared dated compared to its competitor at the time, namely the PSP. Nintendo caught wind of this and swiftly released the DS in the same year.

They've tried to maintain the GBA line for a short while after its release, as a "safety" measure should the DS flop but since it happened the other way around with the Micro it seemed only natural to kill it from a business perspective.

>> No.9455263

>>9455250
Yeah but you could play all of the 2D Marios on it

>> No.9455267

>>9455194
The backlight was a huge improvement and not having to buy batteries every week too. There's no reason to use a gba over a ds.

>> No.9455272

>>9455215
That's because it was nearly as much of a shovelware magnet as the Wii. The sheer number of GBA games is staggering compared to what's actually good on it.

>> No.9455276

>>9455194
The PSP and mobile games, the GBA also received a decent amount of support after the DS launch because Nintendo was unsure if the DS would take off but we know how it went.

>> No.9455290

>>9455267
The GBA has a better screen for GBA games. Both of the improvements you mentioned are on the SP. The original fat DS is pretty bad.

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>>9455272
It has hidden classics for days.

>> No.9455309

>>9455272
Even then though, there's a lot of stuff on the GBA. Which probably says something about how much faster it was to develop games. We got two Metroid games. Two Fire Emblem games. Two Advance Wars games. Three Castlevania games, Four Megaman Zero games. Now it takes Nintendo six years to release a new Zelda, while reusing assets.

>> No.9455317

>>9455272
I second this bigly. At the time it was a revolution, but in retrospect that was only because it was a massive technological leap for handheld gaming. When I sit down and think about what to play, GBA exclusives are far down the list.

>> No.9455320

>>9455194
Gbc was shortlived. Gba stuck around too long.

>> No.9455326

>>9455261
Psp was more powerful than ps2. The thing was fucking amazing.

>> No.9455331

>>9455290
Sps screen sucks and so do its buttons.

>> No.9455338

>>9455194
>>9455234
I got the GBA in 2004 with pokemon leafgreen
I only got the DS in 2006, and it was the OG phat model

>> No.9455340

I think Nintendo's ergonomics peaked with GBA model 1. I don't know why they can't make handhelds comfortable to hold anymore.

>> No.9455345

>>9455320
GBC wasnt that short lived. You people really need to remember that console release dates are a terrible way of judging when people moved on. GBC games could be found brand new on the shelf through some of the GBA's lifetime. Just as it happens with literally ever other console.

>> No.9455356

>>9455194
>>9455216
>>9455250
This. Competition got a lot fiercer in portables. Otherwise we might’ve had a decade of GBA and variant upgrades. People forget the original GB lasted so long in large part because all the competition flunked out in the market. Game Gear had better everything—except cost and battery life, which killed it.

>> No.9455361

>>9455345
Depends when the big boys move on. Shovelware developers are going to stick around, because they're catering to a market of dumb children who don't have the latest tech, essentially.

>> No.9455419

Because on one end it was panic rushed to beat out the NGPC and on the other its successor was panic rushed to beat out the PSP

>> No.9455428

>>9455338
I skipped gba entirely. Went from gbc to ds fat.

>> No.9455431

It had a six year lifespan. That isn't short at all. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and Mother 3 both came out in 2006. and 3rd party went until 07.

>> No.9455486

>>9455234
gba probably should've came out in 1998 but they knew they could squeeze a pokemon sequel in on the current platform so they delayed with the GBC

>> No.9455487

>>9455228
DS was superior in every way and also played GBA games

>> No.9455531

>>9455234
Man, my memory of handheld lifespans is so fucked. It doesn’t help that I don’t think I got any of them on release anyway.

>> No.9455568

Really surprised by the GBA hate here.

It's my favorite handheld and probably in the top 3 of consoles. It was the peak of cozy 2d/pixel art games for me.

>> No.9455575

>>9455568
Ok zoomer

>> No.9455576

>>9455575
i'm literally 40 years old

>> No.9455601

>>9455575
Shut up faggot

>> No.9455610

>>9455267

The backlight should drain batteries even quicker. That was one of the neat things about the original GBA - low power reflective color screen. Some of the pixels looked metallic and shiny depending on what kind of lighting was used.

>> No.9455621

>>9455576
I'm also 40 and agree with you about the peak comfy of the 2D games. The first time I saw the GBA it blew my mind. I mean it was an SNES in your hand. Now I wasn't your typical person. I had lived without Internet or even a phone for extended periods of time, but I was quite amazed by this thing. It's also my biggest regret in gaming because I had a decent small collection of games and traded everything away including the GBA. If Nintendo simply put it all back on the market I'd pay the same price today I paid back then and collect everything I could afford to. I'm not dealing with the used market though. You pay more than you would when these things were brand new with a warranty.

>> No.9455631

It barely has good games, after watching a video with all of them I only found like less than 30 worth checking

>> No.9455643

>>9455361
All late releases for consoles are not shovelware. THPS3 was an N64 game released in 2002.

>> No.9455659

>>9455194
GBA was the Dreamcast of handhelds.

>> No.9455912

>>9455215
It stuck around for a bit longer after nintendo released the DS because they at first wanted both systems to be their own separate thing but then they decided around 2006-2007 to just focus entirelly on the DS.

>> No.9455940

>>9455659
wrong the vita was the dreamcast of handhelds

>> No.9455959

Most people who weren't nintendo fans were fucking tired of playing the same snes tier games or ports with zero innovations, we wanted handheld games with the current tech and PSP saved us and forced nintendo to abandon the GBA and do something with the DS
Didn't really work tho because 99% of that piece of shits library was browser game tier trash and the dual screens were a meme but at least it was different lol

>> No.9455976

>>9455959
you are too old to participate in a fanboy flamewar, son

>> No.9455985

>>9455215
It got so many great games in that time, and the games actually looked amazing. Going from the Gameboy Colour to your games actually looking like anime was amazing. From Sonic Advance, Mario & Luigi, Metroid Castlevania, etc, the GBA still has some of the best sprite work ever made. Because they were so stylish, the sprites were ubiquitous online in the 2000's. Dude Newgrounds, fuck the DS man, the GBA gave us SMBZ

>> No.9455989

>>9455326
Except for the GPU, yes

>> No.9455997

>>9455326
I will never understand why they decided to have only one stick on it, though.

>> No.9456003

It was underpowered and incredibly barebones for what handhelds could have done in the 2000's. The GBA was a great handheld all things considered but it would have been embarrassing to see Nintendo try to compete against the PSP with the GBA. It needed to be replaced.

>> No.9456031

>>9455250
>Snoy
>making Nintendo panic
top kek, it was super fucking obvious by then that their whole thing was riding the coattails of whatever Nintendo innovated and buying up third-party devs to make movie games for them

>> No.9456035

>>9455997
Probably because the ps1 almost never used the second stick.

>> No.9456045

>>9455997
To cut costs
Also encouraged developers to deviate from 1:1 home console game design and experiment

>> No.9456046

>>9456035
Yeah, but it was made in a post-PS2 world. At this point it was an industry standard.

>> No.9456051

>>9456035
Whats PS1 gotta do with it

>> No.9456074

>>9455568
It would have been fantastic if it had been released earlier, as planned. I appreciate the existence of both GBC and GBA as platforms; they offer something interesting. Unfortunately, they don't have a lot of games. Especially GBC.
>>9455959
>complains about ports
>suggests PSP
As far as Sony is concerned, they just put worse versions of their games made by B-teams on the PSP. Aside from a few exceptions, the best games are almost entirely JRPGS.

>> No.9456080

>>9456074
>Unfortunately, they don't have a lot of games
Do you smoke crack? Lol

>> No.9456087

>>9456080
You know what I'm talking about compare it to the Game Boy.

>> No.9456093

>>9456087
Yeah easily more shit I wanna play on the GBA than the GB
Name a Gameboy game and I'll name a comparable GBA game that mogs it

>> No.9456217

>>9455940
Vita was the PSP of handhelds

>> No.9456228

>>9456074
>just put worse versions of their games made by B-teams on the PSP
what a shitty approach, impressive system for the time nonetheless. which non-port jarpigs do you reference?

>> No.9456286

>short lived
i didnt even get one until the sp and it felt like it went on long after that

>> No.9456307

Who the hell played the PSP? PSP was a gimmick
>oi lookey its like a playstation but shite

>> No.9456328

>>9456307
PSP is a fantastic handheld for SRPGs, it did well in Europe and Japan

>> No.9456445

>>9455610
Contrarian bullshit. SP was way fucking better everyone liked it better.

>> No.9456446

>>9456307
Shut up idiot. Psp was a portable dreamcast.


PSP:

•007 Russia With Love, Armored Core 3/Raven/Silent/Formula, Ghost in the Shell, Gun Showdown, Gundam next plus, Killzone Liberation, MGS Peace Walker, Resistance Retribution, Syphon Filter Logans Shadow & Dark Mirror,

•Ace Combat X Deception & Joint Assault, After Burner Black Falcon, Macross Ace, Snoopy vs Red Baron,

•Assassins Creed Bloodlines, Dantes Inferno, God of War Chains & Ghost, Gurumin, Nayuta Boundless Trails, Prince Persia Revelations & Rival Swords, Soul Calibur BD, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Steambot Chronicles 2 BT, Tomb Raider Anniversary & Legend, Unbound Saga, Ys 1/2/3 Oath/6 Napishtim/7

•Breath of Fire 3, Far East of Eden 2/4/Fūun Kabukiden, Final Fantasy 1/3/4/Crisis Core/Type-0, Growlanser 1 & Wayfarer, Lunar Harmony, SMT Devil Summoner, Persona 1, P2 Sin, P2 Punishment, PoPoLoCrois, Star Ocean 2, Tales of Eternia, Valkyrie Profile,

•Disgaea 1&2, Field Commander, FF Tactics, Gungnir, Jean D Arc, La Pucelle, Makai Kingdom, MGS Acid 1&2, Tactics Ogre LUCT, Tom Clancy's Endwar, Trails in the Sky 1-3/Zero/Azure, Yggdra Union,

•Echochrome, Frogger Helmet, Gitaro Man Lives, Patapon 1-3, PQ1, PQ2, Mercury, Jelly Car 2, Pac Man World 3, Tokobot plus

•Metal Slug 7 XX, Parodius 1-5, The Red Star, Viewtiful Joe RHR, Salamander Portable,

•Motorstorm Arctic, Pursuit Force, Twisted Metal Head On, Wipeout Pure Special & Pulse FX350,

•Obscure Aftermath, Shadow Destiny, Silent Hill Origins & Shattered

>> No.9456459

>>9456003
It was only like $80 though.

>>9455631
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about zoom zoom

•Castlevania Aria [Alter]/Circle [Card Up]/Harmony [Findesiecle], Kirby Dreamland Mirror/Nightmare, Mario vs Donkey Kong, MM Zero 1-4, Metroid Zero & Fusion [Special], Sonic Advance, Super Mario 2&3 [Virtual Console], Wario Land 4

•Frogger Adventure 2, F-Zero GP Legend & Climax, Game Watch Gallery 4, Mr Driller 2

•Bomberman Pocket/Quest/Tournament, DQ Rocket Slime, Scurge Hive, Sword Mana [+Quick Menu], Zelda Minish,

•Battle Network 2/3/5/6, Dokapon Hunter, Full Metal Alchemist Rondo & Sonata, Golden Sun 1&2, Mario Luigi Superstar, Oriental Blue, Pokemon Fire Red/Orange/Crystal Advance/Emerald Alter/Prism/Card 1&2/Gaia/Sienna/Unbound, SMT Demikids/Devil Children/Last Bible 1&2/Another Bible

•Advance Wars 1&2, Black Matrix Zero, FE 6+/7+/8+/Sword Heaven Earth/Black Fang/Bloodlines, Game Boy Wars Turbo, Shining Force 1, Tactics Ogre Lodis [Rebalanced], Yggdra


That's as much as any hand held

>> No.9456462

>>9456459
>has to list pokemon rom hacks to pad out the library
lmfao

>> No.9456469

>>9455194
>short-lived
Compared to what, the original Game Boy's freak lifespan?

>> No.9456470

>>9456228
LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet, Jak , Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Motorstorm, Burnout, NFS, Syphon Filter, Resistance, Killzone, Assassins Creed.
While their sequels are good these are not: God of War Chains of Olympus, MGS Portable Ops

These are all made by B-teams and are inferior to console originals in everyway. What's more they are also not worth playing even as standalone titles. I would just replay original games.
There is also shitty ports all around like Prince of Persia, Tomb Raider, The Warriors, and so on.

>> No.9456471

>>9456228
Vice city stories rules, mgspo rules

>> No.9456478

>>9456470
Portable ops is an entirely different game and it is awesome.

>> No.9456483

>>9456217
the psp was the psp of handhelds

>> No.9456486

>>9455272
All successful systems are shovelware magnets. The DS also had tons of shovelware.

>> No.9456492

>>9456478
It's a good game, but it's worse in every way than 3. The only one I wasn't sure about including, but when playing it, the PSP just gets in the way.You don't realize how amazing a console the PSP is while you're playing it. Its limitations become apparent.
Peace Walker, on the other hand, makes you fall in love with the PSP, but there aren't many games like it aside from JRPGs, rhythm games, and puzzle games. Those all work very well on DS. Sony's strategy was to focus on action games rather than JRPGs, which it failed to deliver.

>> No.9456504

>>9456492
I never understood why the PSP MGS games weren't top down.

>> No.9456505

>>9456492
I like the capturing a team gameplay loop of portable ops.

>> No.9456512

Peace Walker is a masterpiece, even though using buttons to aim is terrible.
You are correct about the third game.I also asked that question myself, most likely because it was popular at the time. That's the main reason they put it at 3 with Substance.
>>9456505
Me too, but it's hardly a console seller. I loved Portable Ops a lot more before I played Peace Walker. But it's so superior in everyway that it sort of changed my memories about Portable ops.

>> No.9456515

>>9456459
Rent free zoomieposting

Early Zoomers are the ones that enjoyed the gba the most as a child

>> No.9456516

>>9456512
>Peace Walker is a masterpiece, even though using buttons to aim is terrible.
>You are correct about the third game.I also asked that question myself, most likely because it was popular at the time. That's the main reason they put it at 3 with Substance.
To >>9456504

>> No.9456517

>>9455194
I played enough snes

No reason to buy this. Unless it has some good shootemups then maybe

>> No.9456523

>>9456459
Pokenerd listed

Opinion discarded

>> No.9456529

>>9456523
funniest part is most of those games aren't even real games, just hacks made by fans

>> No.9456532

>>9456045
>Also encouraged developers to deviate from 1:1 home console game design and experiment
That's a retarded decision the whole point of the PSP was to offer console level games from that time on the go.

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9456595

>>9455214

>> No.9456605

>>9456595
cap

>> No.9456661

>>9455194
it got a lot more good games than the GBC, at least

im still shocked the og GB lasted over 10 years. i can barely name 30 good games on the system

>> No.9456664

>>9456595
Rent free.

>> No.9456671

>>9456483
lol no. the handheld was the psp of the psps.

>> No.9456679

I love that Nintendo Devs were making a new Gameboy and Yakuza man heard about the psp and said " we will have 2 screens!"

>> No.9456727

>>9456671
this

>> No.9456754

>>9455307
I consider GBA to be the peak of movie & TV show licensed games. They're surprisingly higher quality than the rest of the licensed shovelware before & after.

>> No.9457075

>>9456093
Don Kikon 94.

>> No.9457103

>>9455356
Game Gear's games were a lot worse, too. The only good games on it that stacked up to even decent games on Game Boy were the two Shinobis and Jurassic Park. All the Sonic games are mediocre at best.

Yes, I owned both, and still do. Owned the GG first, too.

>> No.9457108

>>9455356
>>9457103
Ok, the Columns games are better than Tetris, and Game Gear got a more fun version of Klax. The Majors is a great sports game, too. That's about it.

>> No.9457120

>>9456093
Link's Awakening. Minish Cap is a wall of text, boring and gay game.

Dream Land 2. Amazing Mirror is boring and uninspired, and easy.

Mega Man: Dr. Wily's Revenge. There is no like game on GBA as challenging and fun as this one in the action-platforming genre.

Tide pods are doing things to your senses, anon.

>> No.9457128

>>9457120
Everyone back then agreed the Mega Man World games were shite.

>> No.9457145

>>9457128
>>Mega Man World
>Mega Man V on Game Boy is not considered amazing, then and now
It's already been established that you're a zoomer here >>9457120.

>> No.9457149

people forget what an absolute failure of a system the Nintendo DS was at launch, it picked up a bit when Mario Kart DS launched but it really wasn't until the DS Lite came out that it became the hit that it is known for.
All that first year or two the DS was basically dead meant that the GBA got plenty of shit. People forget how Nintendo had this "third pillar" strategy for the Nintendo DS so the GBA got plenty of games during the beginning of the DS era from both first and third parties, hell they launched the failed GB Micro during this time and later put that same backlight on the GBA SPs (before that the SPs had a frontlight).
So yeah revisionist history of zoomers just looking at Wikipedia dates but not understanding what really went on in that era.

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>>9457145
cope
you may have considered that jank amazing, most did not

>> No.9457164

>>9457161
I don't think you understand what 8/10 means, anon.

>> No.9457168

>>9457164
It means not amazing, and that was the best review it got.

>> No.9457180

>>9457168
>8/10
>>It means not amazing
Now I see what the guy in another thread today meant when he said zoomers are the first generation with a lower IQ than the one preceding them.
>and that was the best review it got
That GameRankings.com score is an aggregate of all review scores, meaning 7.5/10, a high score, is the average of all reviews it got. So, 8/10.

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>>9457180
>meaning 7.5/10, a high score
top kek, cope worldnigger

>> No.9457216

>>9456664
Only rent zoomers can afford

>> No.9457218

>>9457075
Mario vs DK

>> No.9457220

>>9457120
Menu Awakening lololol, so yeah GBA has Minish Cap, LttP, and you can also get your overhead fix from Sword of Mana
>Amazing mirror
Is epic
>Willy's Revenge
I would rather play any Mega Man Zero over this since they're amazing games

>> No.9457223

>>9457186
How is 75 % bad? Shouldn't a 50% game be good? You know, that's a passing grade, it got a majority of the marks

>> No.9457230

>>9457223
would you wear a pair of khakis half-covered in shit?

>> No.9457249

>>9457230
Is a half covering of shit weighed the same as a half covering of water?

>> No.9457312

Nintendo got lazy after nes and snes

>> No.9457329

>>9456492
>psp is only good for jrpgs
Did you ever stop to think maybe you're just a fag for jrpgs? I hate that shit genre and I had plenty of awesome games to play on my psp

>> No.9457334

>>9457120
bruh, the gb megaman games are ass
megaman GB V is decent but still worse than all of the nes games

>> No.9457339

>>9457329
Name 10.

>> No.9457362

>>9455234
fuck outta here, zoomie. back then game tech was advancing so quickly with so much competition, consoles got replaced every 4-5 years. companies kept releasing games for them after they were superseded. it’s only been the last few generations that slowed down since graphics hit diminishing returns and competition flatlined, so the stingy companies started dragging out generations to almost a decade.

>> No.9457364

>>9457149
I'll never forget 'third pillar'
it's why I have trust issues to this day

>> No.9457379

>>9457362
The GB literally lasted a decade.

>> No.9457383

>>9457379
Sure, but Nintendo had already moved on to the GBC. Game companies kept releasing games for the GB since it had such high adoption.

>> No.9457384

>>9457379
Others tried to release lots of competing handhelds in that time but the reality of battery and screen technology meant it wasn't viable until the late 90s.

>> No.9457419

>>9456595
Just because you immediately jumped ship to the DS when it came out doesn't mean I'm a zoomer
It means I was poor lmao

>> No.9457421

>>9456051
The PSP was pretty much a portable ps1

>> No.9457423

>>9455194
short lived?
it felt like it lasted forever
And yet when I look at the games list there are so few

>> No.9457659

Anyone ITT with an Everdrive GBA willing to test a romhack?

>> No.9457687

>>9456446
I like the PSP as the next guy, but almost every single one of those are console ports.

>> No.9457705

>>9456515
>Early Zoomers are the ones that enjoyed the gba the most as a child

Born in '97, can confirm this is true. Even after getting a DS, most games I played were GBA games. Still my favorite console/handheld to this day.

>> No.9457708

>>9457421
No it was a portable ps2

>> No.9457762

>>9457708
PSP was the portable PS1.5 of the portable

>> No.9457778

>>9455959
In short, stupid teenagers and adults wanted games to be more like movies instead of based on gameplay, so the GBA had to die. Welcome to the world you created where everything is now shit.

>> No.9457815

>>9457329
I didn't really play any jrpgs outside of Disagaea on my PSP. Honestly struggled to find anything to play on that little shit. Should have just done what other people do and hack it for emulation. What a shitty game library that thing had unless you were really into some weird niche of games.

>> No.9457864

>>9457815
It had great JRPGs and niche games you should give them a try, but yes, the games that the PSP was designed for fail to deliver. Why was it so popular with otaku in Japan? A lot of PSP JRPGs are also ports that were previously released on PC in Japan.

>> No.9457871

I kind of wish handhelds never got to the point where 3D was viable. I wish there was still a market for companies like Nintendo and Capcom to be making full sprite based 2D games.

>> No.9457907

>>9457871
That's the main problem with PSP and what it tried to push. Handheld devs generally didn't even try to do a good job with low poly graphics, and when they did, you couldn't really appreciate it on an actual PSP. In a way, screens didn't really do a good job of showing what hardware was capable, and devs didn't really bother because of that. GoW, Crisis Core, MGS, and Kingdom Hearts all look much better in emulators or remasters. The DS at least had that PS1-era look.
GBA lasting longer would have been the best thing. In hindsight, Sony only hurt the handheld market. I'm still not sure what they were going for with the whole Vita thing.

>> No.9457917

>>9457907
Kind of just wish we had a GBA 2 that had hardware as good as a Neo Geo, and a better screen. 3D in general is overrated on handhelds.

>> No.9457941

>>9457917
The GBA is already very capable at 2D graphics. Screen resolution and the quality of the screen itself were the biggest issues. DS largely solved those issues and was a great platform for 2D games.

>> No.9457964

>>9456046
The 3DS did the same thing Sony did with the PSP a whopping 7 years later.

>> No.9457968

>>9457964
>The 3DS did the same thing Sony did with the PSP
Supporting it with high quality games instead of shovelware is not the same thing.

>> No.9457972

>>9457145
It was established in the previous thread that you're a black Brazilian

>> No.9457973

>>9457968
I was referring to it having only a single stick, you doofus.

>> No.9457974

reminder that the GBA turned SNES music into literal farts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prIXaXB62Tk

>> No.9457978

>>9457941
It also lead to a situation where instead of getting an original sprite based Mario for DS, you got NSMB, and I would have much rather had the former.

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>>9457974
Any more examples like this?

>> No.9457984

>>9457978
That sorta thing would happen regardless. They want to show how powerful the console is. Even SNES has 3D games.

>> No.9457990

>>9457984
Yeah, but I specifically don't like that that happened, because 3D on a handheld is lame.

>> No.9457993

>>9457974
>>9457979
Porting music is hard in general. Even the DS sounded kinda off in certain SNES ports like Chrono Trigger, despite being vastly more powerful, just because it didn't have the SNES's specific audio filters. Some of the worst offenders like Final Fantasy got significant improvements through fan patches though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-aQB_IYEE8
GBA's original compositions sound rather good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01O4prG3Kas

>> No.9458002

>>9457974
>literal
i was expecting this to be hyperbole

>> No.9458005

>>9457990
Oh, I agree. In some ways, I believe the DS retains some of the allure of the 5th generation, but it would have been better if it didn't exist at all. The PSP on the other hand, other than a few titles, always looked like cheap, amateurish stuff. Because it was worked on mainly as a side thing.
>>9457993
People always make hyperbole of this stuff, but in this case:>>9458002

>> No.9458009

>>9457978
True I guess, but I think the oversaturation of the NSMB style after it overstayed its welcome also contributes to that particular game's problem.
Late GBA games do have great 2D visuals, especially once developers stopped overcompensating for the dim screens of the earlier models. At that point the res is the only thing holding it back.

>> No.9458017

>>9457979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKhS8xvaai8

>> No.9458035
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>>9458017
This isn't that bad but still.

>> No.9458085

>>9457103
Agree completely. I meant better everything in terms of hardware and capability, but GG games were mostly trash, for sure.

>> No.9458104

>>9458085
>better everything in terms of hardware and capability
Is it really? Implementing a technology without considering its implications isn't good hardware design in my opinion. You can't overlook the battery issue.
Also not just SMS ports but even some original games are screen crunched for some reason.

>> No.9458120

>>9458104
It's tough to make value judgements. The game gear being a Master System with a few extra graphical features and lower res screen made lazy ports of master system games too easy for crap publishers and so you got loads of shitty cropped or crunched games.
But going against the grain and using non-compatible hardware to force standalone development also leads to complaining that it was not worth the time investment necessary to develop on.
The gameboy got many complaints for not being a NES but once Tetris happened publishers could no longer ignore it. So the moral of the story is: the path to success is to do your own thing AND have tetris. If you make it easy for devs you get lazy port jobs, if you make it harder you get no games. Until you Pokemon that shit and then people will endure any hardship to get on your good side.

>> No.9458130

>>9457421
The PSP had a better CPU and more RAM than the PS2, lol

>> No.9458136

>>9457974
https://youtu.be/lSUWIxn0Ihw
Plenty of times will the GBA version be heaps better than SNES

>> No.9458141

>>9458120
I think people also liked dmg look. Sure, people bitched about it, but monochrome screens had a certain charm, and they actually looked better because of the tech available at the time about the backlight issues.
Also, Sega themselves did a lot of lazy ports, and even some of the games they specifically made for GG play better on SMS despite being more buggy. I think other than the Genesis, Sega's hardware is a bit overrated.

>> No.9458149

>>9458130
IIRC the PSP reserved 8MB of RAM for the OS for some reason, so practically it had less.

>> No.9458150

>>9458141
SEGA had a dreadful tendency to outsource its own games when the internal teams didn't want to pick them up. You'll probably find most of the really bad SEGA GG games were really developed by some low rent brit-shop and then "finished" by sega inhouse.
SEGA's hardware was always "doing it wrong." They used off the shelf parts and rarely developed anything fully inhouse but the parts they used always caused them problems with supply, quality, cost... They'd always wind up paying license fees forever and they'd make umpteen board revisions to try and get costs down despite retooling manufacturing being one of the worst costs you could get. Their approach to failing to meet sales targets was always to redesign the board. It's amazing they managed to hang on as long as they did.

>> No.9458275

>>9458130
Worse gpu

Psp was a dreamcast

>> No.9458361

>>9458149
Most PSP's in circulation have 64MB of RAM

>> No.9458383

>>9458361
Licensed PSP games can't use the extra 32MB except as a disc cache. I recall emulators made good use of it though, there was even a multitasking homebrew.

>> No.9458413

>>9458383
FF Type-0 runs noticeably worse on the 32MB models
>Licensed PSP games can't use the extra 32MB except as a disc cache
As if that's insignificant. This greatly speeds up streaming and was certainly a technique in use on the PS2 as well

>> No.9458417

>>9458413
>FF Type-0 runs noticeably worse on the 32MB models
From UMD, digitally, or both? Interesting info either way.

>> No.9458435

>>9458417
Even from a memory card breh

>> No.9458453

>>9456595
Here's your (you)

>> No.9458463

>>9457364
Nintendo was probably honest about it. The NDS screamed "experimental project" and the fact they chose NOT to brand it as member of the Game Boy family seems to hint the believed it could flop. It being one of the most succesful consoles of all times must've blindsided Nintendo.

>> No.9458707

>>9458413
what temporary storage did the pos2 have?

>> No.9458717

>>9458463
between now and the time that the DS came out, I ask: WHAT Game Boy family?

>> No.9458719

>>9455194
>no backlight
>hard as shit to see anything even with a massive floodlight behind you
>even then the colors were too dark so you can't make out anything

Playing Sapphire was a nightmare but I got it done, then promptly sold this piece of trash.

>> No.9458762

didn't matter i kept playing mine til like 2011

>> No.9458773

>>9457216
This isn't even really that much of a dig. More sad really that boomers fucked Zoomers so hard in the housing dept

>> No.9458785

Promised the 'rents I'd take piano lessons until I finished school to get a GBA for Christmas when I was 8
Jokes on them, I quit piano in year 10

>> No.9458786

>>9457180
>8/10 is amazing
What does that make 9 and 10 then.

7-decent
8-good
9-great/amazing
10-masterpiece

At least according to modern rating systems where anything lower than 7 is shit

>> No.9458797

>>9455912

If you believe that Nintendo actually intended for that. I am sceptical since why would they want two different handhelds in the market at the same time?

I remember them saying the DS would be the "third pillar" but I think they were full of shit and didn't want to admit they were dropping the GBA.

Console makers do it every time a new console comes out.

>> No.9458902

>>9458797
The PS360 gen actually followed through with it though, both still had disc releases into 2016 and even 17

>> No.9458903

>>9457974
Holy fuck Im dying.
I didnt expect it to sound like literal farts.

>> No.9458934

>>9457230

Not really a good comparison. I wouldn't wear kakis that had even 1% of shit on them

>> No.9458943

>>9458773
It's honestly not a dig to any one group in particular since everyone is kinda in a shit place right now.

>>9458786
7 should really be where we consider things above average, not decent. Reminder that a rating scale is not the same as grades in school.

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>>9456595
fake

>> No.9459057

>>9457103
Someone stole my gamegear, and I dont even feel like buying another one as an adult lol

>> No.9459259

>>9457972
lol no. i'm a dark brown brazilian, not black. btfo again.

>> No.9459354

>>9455194
>Why was GBA so short lived?
Because of its shit sound card. How come the same company which made the incredible chip tune of SNES make that atrocity to the GBA? I suffer till this day

>> No.9459362

>>9455194
The DS wasn't supposed to replace the GBA and was just an experiment.

DS became a mega hit and the game boy line pretty much died.

>> No.9459445

>>9459354
>incredible chip tune of SNES

most snes games sound muffled as hell

>> No.9459450

>>9459362
The DS had a GBA slot though.

>> No.9459509

>>9458130
but did it have the vee u

>> No.9459523

>>9456679
>sir the psp will have 2 processors!
>then we will also have 2 processors
>and 2 screens

>> No.9459536

>>9458707
RAM
>>9459509
The PSP has an identical copy of one of the PSP's two VU's—however, the VU the PSP's missing was mainly for software rendered "shaders". I can't say for certain whether the vector coprocessor in the PSP's GPU can compare to this missing VU, but the PSP does support programmable pixel shaders unlike the PS2.

>> No.9459720

>>9459536
The PSP VFPU isn't an exact copy of VU0 but it is comparable in power, at least in macro mode. VU0 can also function in micro mode which may give a slight edge to the PS2 though.

>> No.9459869

>>9455234
The 3DS was officially discontinued like two years ago. Crazy how fast vidya hardware progressed back in the days

>> No.9459872

>>9455215
I remember the DS only getting big after 2006. Does nobody remember how bad the DS library was in the first few years?

>> No.9459875

>>9459445
That doesn't disprove my point. SNES had better hardware to play OSTs than GBA, meaning that even if the game's OST were better, its hw would just shit everything

>> No.9459882

>>9459872
>Mario 64
>Mario Kart
>Dawn of Sorrow
>Sonic Rush
>Phoenix Wright
>Animal Crossing
>Partners in Time
>Advance Wars
Do I remember how bad the DS library was in the first 2 years? Er, no?

>> No.9459883

>>9459882
Everyone hated PiT when it came out. Funny that the M&L has declined so much that it's now one of the better entries.
Dual Strike is still clearly the worst AW game though.

>> No.9459946

>>9459882
the only good game in there was Dawn of Sorrow, the rest is either shit or ports (though at least it was the first time we got phoenix wright in the west)

>> No.9460097

>>9458797
They were probably scared the DS could be a flop. The DS was the first nintendo handheld without the game boy name and it was trying completelly new things with the dual screen and touch screen, also remember that this was released during the 6th gen were nintendo ignoring the gba had very little videogame market share and then sony decided to also released their own handheld. The DS could had easilly failed during these times so if it did atleast nintendo could relly on the game boy brand again (either continuing supporting the gba or just release a new handheld with the game boy name)

>> No.9460442

>>9459883
>hated pit when it came out
Citation needed, it was my favorite at the time.

>> No.9460647

>>9459883
>that it's now one of the better entries.
Never happened. PiT is still the worst together with Paper Jam. PJ has much better combat but it's incredibly bland and uncreative, so I'm not sure which is worse.

>> No.9461818

>>9459946
As the good book says, you're a fuckin retard

>> No.9461824
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9461824

Gba had the best mario kart. Get fucked.

>> No.9461861

>>9455985
>Going from the Gameboy Colour to your games actually looking like anime was amazing

I actually remember being really underwhelmed by the GBA. I saw all the commercials and was lead to believe this would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. I desperately wanted, and wanted to be the first of my friends to get one, and I begged my parents all summer to get me one. They finally caved and agreed to get one if I traded in my GBC. After months of hyping this thing in my mind, I just remember the feeling of deflationary disappointment upon seeing the games for the first time. That shitty screen somehow managed to be worse than the GBC. The worst part of the whole thing was the guilt of asking my parents for this $100 piece of equipment and then just being completely underwhelmed by it.

The Advance SP fixed a lot of the problems and the games looked much, much better with a backlight.

>> No.9461897

>>9456046
Dual stickies on a handheld at that time just wasn't doable. I think they made the best compromise they could.

>> No.9461936

>>9461824
it's better than anything that came after it, i'll give you that.

>> No.9461947

>>9455194
I remember skipping it and getting a DS and buying all the gba games I wanted for 2-4$ in bins lol

>> No.9461962

>>9456307
I loved my psp it even played music and shit.
It's biggest along was lack a second stick and using a proprietary memory card.
>>9457778
The late 90s/early aughts were about graphics and 3d controls because they were still evolving and relatively new.the pop wss considered more 'adult' because it didn't have kiddy games on it.

>> No.9462001

>>9455940
>wrong the vita was the dreamcast of handhelds
No. The Atari Lynx was the Dreamcast of handhelds.

>> No.9463607

>>9455331
Shit taste. The only problem with the SP screen is the light lets you clearly see developers' oversaturated palette choices designed around the original GBA.

>> No.9465043

>>9457419
DS and GBA existed side by side for at least two years so I have no idea what that anon is talking about

>> No.9465078

>>9456307
The PSP was a great piece of hardware, although you had to install CFW to really get the most of it. Having access to most of the PS1 library on the go was also incredible.