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Love the first shining force, how many of the others are worth playing and what’s the best platform to play each one?

>> No.9440048

All of them, 2 and 3 are amazing especially. Play on the original platforms if possible, but feel free to emulate if you can't. If you don't read Japanese, you'll need the translation patches for the rest of 3 (only scenario 1 was released officially in English).

>> No.9440051

All of them before Camelot stopped making them I mean. I have no clue how the later Shining Force games are.

>> No.9440052

Thanks anon

>> No.9440058

>If you don't read Japanese
>Play on the original platforms if possible,
Poser, the GBA version is much superior to the original if you play in Japanese since it uses more kanji. Fuck kana only or mostly kana games.

>> No.9440060

OP here, I’m an English only player so it doesn’t matter. Are the shining force Gaiden games good too?

>> No.9440067

Play the Shining Force CD versions if you want more of the same as 1 and 2. Between all that and the 3 scenarios of 3 that should keep you busy for a while.

>> No.9440473

i quite like the game gear shining force games. i think all 3 are included on shining force cd* and that's cool because only 1 had an english translation.

*for sega cd

>> No.9441723

GBA version of what? AFAIK, only SF1 had a GBA remake. And that had an English release.

>> No.9441741

sf2 is basically a mechanical improvement over 1 in every metric. the only criticism is maybe the difference in art style being more cartoony and less "serious/gritty" looking.

>> No.9441753

There's also how the world is designed, like each chapter being self-contained environment in 1 rather than being able to wander the world in 2. I preferred 1's self contained chapters.

>> No.9441891

Play the GBA remake, maybe try Shining in the Darkness, then try FEDA.

>> No.9442892

Sword of Hajya (Gaiden 2) is my favorite in the series, when taken for what it is. Its not the best of them in almost any regard, but it had a lot of really cool ideas, especially for being on the game gear at the time. I know everyone jumps to the CD version, but I have a soft spot for a lot of the bugs and presentation from the original GG release. Just keep in mind its going to feel like a step back in some regards due to the limitations it had.

>> No.9443239

>i prefer not being able to go back for any reason
actual brainlet take.

>> No.9443256

are you just on the hunt to insult people who don't share the same opinions?

>> No.9443298

Shining Force the series is mostly associated with Camelot and the Takahashi brothers. Yoshitaka Tamaki had quite an influence in the first Shining Force, so you may want to look into the things he did after, FEDA, Landstalker.

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>Yoshitaka Tamaki had quite an influence in the first Shining Force
That's honestly an understatement.

>> No.9443609

huh, https://segaretro.org/Yoshitaka_Tamaki

Looks like he was involved with Shining Soul, Shining Soul II and Shining Force Neo. I can't say I've played any of them. Were they good?

>> No.9443637

>i like having my hand held, so the second game not doing that means that its a valid criticism.
no, you're just literally retarded.

>> No.9444001

>Shining Soul
For what they were, they were good. Especially in multiplayer.
>Shining Force Neo
He was barely involved in it (just the monster design IIRC). But I guess it's decent-ish for a standalone single-player-only Diablo clone game loosely inspired by SF1. Just don't expect it to be connected to other games in the series, including Shining Force EXA, which rehashes most of the work on Neo, except for the storyline, new and better designs and various improvements.

>> No.9444118

shining the holy ark

dont miss it

>> No.9445529
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Best girls of Camelot era, in no particular order: Mae, May, Dawn

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Kyantols are fine too.

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>> No.9446768

What does /vr/ think of Exa?

>> No.9446779
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I bought the genesis mini 2 and it has 3 SF games on it. I remember having SF1 on cart back in the day but was too young to get very far - same with landstalker.
Anyway I started SF2 and after losing the first fight a few times I realized hero and healer didn't have weapons equipped and now I'm making progress, just having had the jewel of light attach itself to the hero's neck.
Also also I own SF3 for Saturn and that shit cost me like $500.

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Thanks for reminding me need to do my yearly playthrough.

The Gen game isn't kana only though?

>> No.9446804

you literally need to kill yourself

>> No.9446806

it's an okay diablo clone. it's the same developer that made the dreamcast lodoss diablo clone, which was much better. EXA's story is the most half hearted and lamest shit ever though, it would have actually helped the game a lot of it just didn't have much story at all like most diablo clones.

>> No.9446809

I've beaten Shining Force a number of times, but I always just played straight through. No Egress to grind levels or anything, so I decided to go the opposite route this time and grind every character up to 20, promote and then up to 20 again just to see where they end up, because there's a lot of characters like Arthur that I always just trashed right away. It's interesting. I'm currently trying to grind up Bleu and Lyle in Dragonia.

>> No.9446812

You literally need to suck a fart outta my ass.

>> No.9446814

ew...literally get a WASSERSLAUCH and suck fart out of your OWN ass

>> No.9446827

What problems were you having? I beat Shining Force 1 when I was 10, it's one of the easiest games on the system.

>> No.9446862

I was under 10 and I played a lot of Maximum Carnage and Revolution X, in short I was a retard. Not much has changed in 25 years but I do like SRPGs now.

>> No.9446892

Jeez man, what did I do to deserve your vitriol? I'm just asking about Exa

>> No.9446893

What's Exa?

>> No.9446904

arthur struggles a little bit at the start, but he's absolutely worth investing the love into. some other characters are kind of mediocre, but arthur is an absolute death machine after promotion. one thing i really hated about sf1 is how many characters join you woefully underpowered and how hard/tedious it is to get them up to competent levels/stats.

i hope you find some good results! i always hear about certain characters being great, but i always hit some sort of roadblock and never used them. like the birds! i always hit a moment when they just dont have the strength to deal damage, so they never get experience enough to kill and keep up with the rest, but some people somehow swear by them. i never did domingo because i liked my lady mages, but apparently he's kind of busted with the flying and absurd defense stats. i have put in the effort for bleu and adam, but i feel like they were mediocre (or maybe i never finished catching adam up to the rest because it takes an absurd amount of redoing battles to get him to 20 and then catch up) or "at this point, does it even matter? basically everyone is good this late".

>> No.9446914

>Shining Force thread
take a wild guess anon, you'll figure it out

>> No.9446927

The point was just to tell him there's translation patches available for 3. I didn't want to get into GBA vs original for 1 since OP already played 1 and I haven't tried the GBA version. Always thought it looked cool though. Is it actually worth playing if you've already played the Genesis version?

>> No.9446979

I googled it and it took several results until I found out it's one of the gay lame ones. Honestly after reading the wiki I'm shocked how many games have the SF branding even though they stopped being dungeon crawlers or TRPGs.
Oh well at least scenarios 2 and 3 are translated now.

>> No.9446994

The birds are awesome. Their stats really aren't that bad, they just suffer in the same way Max does early on, they're just stuck with crappy weapons too long. It's worth throwing the power ring on them though, and then when they promote, they have competent stats even without the ring and are great for attacking enemies from odd positions. Domingo is a beast early on, but Anri eventually outpaces him in nearly every way.

>> No.9447472

They stopped being dungeon crawlers or TRPGs back when Camelot released lame-ass shit known as Shining Wisdom.
That said, it's not like they stopped releasing TRPGs either. Like RoDD, Feather, Blade, Arc, Wind X and EXA Mobile.

>> No.9447593

>The Gen game isn't kana only though?
It is mostly kana and uses way less kanji than the GBA game.

>> No.9448176

maybe next time i play, i'll drop tao for domingo and see how it goes. i wish alef didnt join so late and take so many levels to do anything decent. big bolt spells are cool, but really its the one-shots that are the best value. do you think its worth doing both birds?

my favorite end team is max, tao, gort, mae, anri, arthur, zylo, guntz, musashi, torasu, bleu, kokichi. other than kokichi and maybe bleu, i dont know who i would want to swap out.

>> No.9448243

Both birds isn't really necessary. It's fun, but only one of them can hold the Chaos Breaker, so it can be smarter to just run one of them. Balbaroy usually ends up with higher attack, but Amon is more well-rounded, so I prefer her. It's hard to let go of Tao for anybody, but Domingo is strong, mostly because he levels up so fast, he can fly, and he has a ton of defense. Furthermore, he is often second priority for enemy targeting after Max, so you can kind of just use him as a shield even if he runs out of MP.

>> No.9448465

>Like RoDD, Feather, Blade, Arc, Wind X and EXA Mobile.
Are any of these any good?

>> No.9448486

>Fuck kana only or mostly kana games.
>The Gen game isn't kana only though?
>It is mostly kana and uses way less kanji than the GBA game.

Why exactly does this matter?

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>> No.9448498

Do players in Japan quarrel over which script is superior?

>> No.9448502

RoDD is a remake of the first game with some good stuff abd some bad stuff. You probably heard about it already.
The rest is only in Japanese.
Feather is great. Blade and Arc are okay knock-offs of Valkyria Chronicles, especially the former. Wind X and EXA Mobile play like SF Gaidens/CD with some additional mechanics, but they were made for Japanese mobile phones and never ported to anything else, so they are potentially a lost media now.

>> No.9448524

Not him, but from what I remember it's something about Japanese having a lot of homophones, so common words like しん or かめ can have a lot of meanings just with kana, while kanji is much more certain.
I mean, there are illiterate fucks (and kids) who can't properly read kanji that aren't that common there too.

>> No.9448531

>so common words like しん or かめ can have a lot of meanings just with kana, while kanji is much more certain.
I get that part, but is there a lot of wordplay in Japanese writing? How is that a problem?

>> No.9448567

I'm not weeb enough to answer you with examples, but there is a lot of wordplay and secondary meanings in the nip, so that can be a problem.

>> No.9449184

It's a problem if the whole game is kana only because it's much more difficult for people who didn't grow up with the language to read due to homophones and having to process the language differently. If it's some kana-only it's usually not so bad. It should also be noted Shining Force 1 has a very inaccurate translation in its original Sega format, although I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it.

>> No.9449206

Do you know if there is a more accurate translation anywhere? Doesn't need to be a hack, just a transcript or something.

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makes being bad look so good

>> No.9449353

Not that I know of, although the GBA port is simultaneously more accurate while also adding a bunch of stuff that wasn't in the original.

>> No.9449551

The GBA port is worth it simply because of the updated sprites. All the faces are RPG Maker tier but the battle sprites got extra frames of animation and all the special outfits (like Tao's swimsuit/Anri's dress/Khris' new maid outfit) have full-size battlers as well. Definitely a labor of love

>> No.9449554

The sprites look awful though.

>> No.9449613

I mean, yes, I'm not a fan of the washed-out colors, shit-tier face sprites, and extra unnecessary characters in a game that already loads you down with them. But I also get Khris in a maid outfit. Every man must live with the choices they make

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>> No.9449946

These two sentences are phonetically identical. The way it is written in the second version is much easier to read.
>うらにわには にわ にわには にわ にわとりがある

>> No.9450420

But anon both are moonrunes and equally undecipherable.

>> No.9450452

>Bubble-era Anri
It always gave me mixed feelings.
Neat idea, I guess, but I prefer her secret outfit from the original more.

>> No.9450486

What are the chances of Nintendo adding sega cd games on the genesis online app? I would love to play Shining Forces CD without having to pay $300-500.

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I like the original graphics too much, which were very impressive at release, although the new special outfit animations sound nice.

>> No.9450512

Shining Force CD is on the Sega Megadrive Mini 2, which cost me $120 including shipping from japen.

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>> No.9450618

Am I only one who leaves Hans to the very end in the party in SF1? At least in LV20 promotion runs.
Everyone seems to drop him, despite the fact that all archers become murder machines later on and range of their post-promotion weapons gives them a ton of utility.

>> No.9450729 [DELETED] 

are they catholic furries

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not retro by any means but i honestly just found this scrapped mobile reimagining of 1 and 2 googling shining force art
looks like it could have been cute
wonder why something like that would get so far into getting made just to get dropped?

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It was expensive to produce, while the parent company was bleeding money as is, IIRC.
I wish it could've spark a new remake of the classics, kinda like Langrisser mobile did. Following the artstyles of each game (like retaining classic chins for SF1 characters) won me over. I wish RoDD would've done that too, instead of removing Khris' dog snout.

>> No.9451089

around the time hans is typically dropped he has been gaining only speed and HP while the knights have just gotten access to power spears which is better ranged. By the time archer promotion weapons appear anri and domingo are close to/gained freeze 3 for the huge range attacks and if you level hans at this point you are going to get lyle soon as well who is just better out of the box.

I do recall on my first playthrough I never really had an issue with hans and diane and I ended up keeping them both for the rest of the game but in all of replays they just never do much damage

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Lyle has a lot of catching up to do when he joins and he shares the same problem as all centaurs - abyssimal movement in the woods and the like, which starts since the first possible sortie.
At that point, Hans starts getting attack fast too and not having to think about MP or fragility of the unit is pretty nice.
That said, I usually end up using all three archers. Even if they are slightly weaker than their counterparts from the later games.

>> No.9452068

Diane > Hans > Lyle
Diane tends to always shows up stronger than Hans for me but I still bring out Hans because I like archers. Lyle I don't like so much because his movement is really bad on most maps you have him.

>> No.9452179

What order should I play the Shining games in for the story?
I'm guessing it goes this way:
>Shining Force I
>Shining Force CD
>Shining Force II
>Shining Force Gaiden: Final Conflict (it takes place between I and II but the story would make more sense after II)
>Shining Wisdom
>Shining Force III
>Shining in the Darkness
>Shining the Holy Ark

>> No.9452279

personally, I would say
Shining Force (Genesis)
Shining Force CD (Sega CD)
Shining Force Gaiden: Final Conflict (Game Gear)

All the rest of the games are more self contained with only very small passing references. And really, you could probably skip Shining Force CD. Final Conflict is the only one that really continues from Shining Force.

>> No.9452593

Playing in anything other than release order is retarded

>> No.9452635

>Diane tends to always shows up stronger than Hans for me
That's weird. It's usually the opposite for me. When do you promote them?

>> No.9452651

Shining in the Darkness goes after Final Conflict, if you aren't going for the release order.
Holy Ark goes before III since one of the protagonists shows there first.

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Myself, I think ice is nice.

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I had intended to start up one of these threads at some point since I find them comfy, but I find I was beaten to the punch.

It's been said before, but a lot of that stuff was in JP-only supplements. I would imagine a lot of stuff was invented for the support conversations at base, though. Some of them are pretty cool. Some of them are not.

Fucking hell, Lowe, you've got to have more to say than just to tell me how hungry you are all the time.

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2 is the best and in the top games ever made, like top 25 or something

>> No.9454263

who are these

>> No.9454268

could you really call shining force a trpg when it's designed almost entirely like a typical jrpg but with a grid in battles? I think the comparisons to fire emblem games is unfair when those games play more like a board game, and the ogre games are the same way.

>> No.9454369

I really think that's splitting hairs. Final Fantasy Tactics uses a hybrid system of unrepeatable story battles + repeatable/semi-randomized battles for grindan. Valkyria Chronicles lets you do repeatable side missions for bonus money that affects the main game. Nobody's making you repeat those battles, either: If you don't revive people who die, and power forward in every mission, you're essentially playing Fire Emblem

>> No.9454371

Probably Anri and Tao

>> No.9454393
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>started yet another SF2 playthrough
>got to the battle where you get Gerhalt
>somewhat bored already
>kinda want to go replay SF1 instead
>it's not the first time that happens
Anyone else like that?
I love SF2, but it takes too long to get to some of more interesting parts.

>> No.9454419

you get luke (not that he's any good) and you're at max capacity. the kraken fight is right around the corner 2 battles later, and then taros 2 battles after that. between kraken and taros you should probably be right about the point of hitting 20s, so you can start thinking about promotions. then shortly after that is creed's and the chess battle.

honestly, i like to shoot for lvl40 promotions, but i start to feel the burnout between the first visit to pacalon and moun/nazca because lacking the promotion weapons really makes things difficult and enemies start having large amount of health.

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I have a weird fondness of Shining Tears but I'll be honest and tell you right out it's not that great.

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Man, Sarah was way cuter than that stupid narcoleptic princess. What a bring down that was.

>> No.9454528

>I really think that's splitting hairs
>Final Fantasy Tactics uses a hybrid system of unrepeatable story battles + repeatable/semi-randomized battles for grindan. Valkyria Chronicles lets you do repeatable side missions for bonus money that affects the main game.
What does that have to do with anything? Not only does Shining Force progress like typical Jrpgs but the mechanics are just like DQ and the like with an added movement grid.
>If you don't revive people who die, and power forward in every mission, you're essentially playing Fire Emblem
You can say that about literally anything. You went the extreme opposite of "splitting hairs" you accused me of for no reason.

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>> No.9454894

Supposedly, Wind is better, but they never brought it to the west.

>> No.9454928

It's a turn-based tactics and it's an RPG.
I mean, I sort of get what you mean, since no one calls Pool of Radiance a TRPG, despite a similar battle system, but both genres are extremely close anyway since RPGs descended from wargames in general, so it really doesn't matter.

>> No.9455116

Which is just typical

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I had fun with it. I hated the fact that like with so many other Shining games they locked half the lore behind supplements that never came West.

>> No.9455357

Shining Force 1 has much better pacing and I prefer the town variety as well. I can't believe how often people say you should just skip it, likewise with Suikoden.

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That's another thing I liked but don't see mentioned often. The locations in SF1 are mostly super memorable. Mage city in the desert, town built into a cliffside, island town, town that's actually a giant train, coastal fortress town, town with nothing but kids... SF2 also had places like Bedoe and Tristan. The unique character of the locales is something I always liked about the series.

>> No.9455683

Dora is cute, but I feel like the transformation to ride monsters is cheating.

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What did he mean by that?

>> No.9455807

i dont think either game has better or worse "pacing". 1 has a more clear objectives and reasons for pressing forward, 2 has a little more "go help my brother at the cliffs" and "we need to go to this place" but its 2+ battles to GET there. however, the battlefield layout for a LOT of battles is an absolute slog. just full forest/mountains for so many fucking battles. also stupid 1-tile choke points that you have to bust through before you can even really USE your army sometimes. sf2 did a lot better with most fields having grass paths so you can progress FORWARD and not waste 4+ turns just moving with zero engagement. the only battle that takes forever to engage that i can excuse is the general elliot fight, because of the structure and design of really crashing 2 armies together, and its rare that enemies are fully grouped up like that. it was cool.
sf1 definitely had more unique towns. mage city, island city, kid town, underground castle, train town, cliffside, and rindo with the actors. sf2 has bedoe, tristan, pacalon, elf/dwarf forest, and creed's. thats about it. i wouldnt even count the port town after the kraken. even though the count is only a couple off, the locations in 1 were so much more poignant and memorable for being different.

>> No.9455857

They mean the king ordered them to not let you leave.

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I didn't vote for him.

>> No.9455876

Yeah the 2+ battles to get to the battle is what makes the pacing worse. Shining Force 1 does have maps that make you go slower but I'll take that any day over several pointless, sometimes respawning battles before you get to the actual battle.

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>tfw just wanted to go alone, but this bimbo horse insists on tagging along

>> No.9455979

she's one of the very best fighters in the game

>> No.9456014

>he doesn't like girls with a big defense stat

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the dev that was supposed to handle it, vespa, made a bunch of bad decisions so they were on the verge of dying and just cancelled it.
they are still doing pretty bad and are putting all their efforts into their upcoming game.
shame really because i was interested to see how it would turn out.
was kind of amazed that they stuck to being as close to the original art as they could

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First a horse, now some stray dog.
What is this, Shining Zoo?
She was never THAT good to me. Other than as a tank, I guess.
I prefer girls with a crossbow and redhead guards with disdain for slackers, thank you for asking. Neither are in this game though.

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>best mage was in

>> No.9456047

you have to promote the centaurs a little later, like level 14. she is top 3 fighters

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>> No.9456102

We're full go back.

>> No.9456103

I promote everyone at level 20 usually, but I'm sure that even at level 14 she's in top 3, since there are a lot of heavy hitters. Even among the centaurs, Pelle should still be better, like he is at level 10 promotion runs.

>> No.9456126

>she's not in top 3
I meant that, sorry for confusion.

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Who would ever use centaur Jay Leno?

>> No.9456187

But I never see a shining thread anymore

>> No.9456198

Then drop the trip, gramps and trannyleaf were bad enough

>> No.9456210
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I can't, I'm sorry anon, but you can filter me. I just mainly post art anyway I've said pretty much all I would say on the older games anyway

>> No.9456226

The only centaur that I almost never use is Vankar. Who is kinda cool but almost always sucks ass compared to other five knights and other centaurs and polearm users.
Pelle is pretty good.

>> No.9456231

...I actually don't have that pic.
Okay, you can stay.

>> No.9456246

except for ken and arthur all the centuars level out towards the end. Shining force 1 has some significant variance on max stats possible but for Mae, Pelle, Vankar and Ernst their maximum possible stats are all within 3-4 points of each other.

>> No.9456265

Yeah that is a cute Tao, guess you're alright

>> No.9456334

Huh, this does have a pretty similar "feel" to Shining Force. Maybe the sound / music?

>> No.9456352
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It's literally made by same people as SF1 and SitD.

>> No.9456353
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Same devs mainly, mostly people who worked on the first Shining but there's some people who also worked on SF2 later.

Landstalker was also composed by Takenouchi, who would did most of the games in the older shining games up until Wisdom. Which was his final work for Shining

>> No.9456356

Has the same sound driver

>> No.9456430
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And why should I go conosle some ice bitch who was rude to me? I'm going straight to the next battle instead.

>> No.9456465

Landstalker was originally going to star Max and be called "Shining Rogue", but then Climax had their falling out and a bunch of stuff got switched up.

Might've been for the best, I can't see Max as the treasure hunting type, unless the game was going to be dramatically different.

>> No.9456510
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Damn, that sounds like a better end for Max than settling down as a farmer and going back into action only because duty called. Would explain why didn't he go to his Guardiana friends better too.
Like, he seems to be an adventurous type unlike most of other Shining heroes, even if he puts duty first. Not that I expect him to be as rogue-ish as Nigel of course.
Btw, wasn't the unused hardcoded name for the Hero of SitD in Japanese Max too? Seems to be a trend for Cli-Max games. They named their FEDA development team Max Entertainment too, after all.

>> No.9456527

Same artist/character designer, too (obviously). He (or she? idk his or her name) also did the art for Alundra and... some other games... but I'm drawing a blank at le moment.

>> No.9456540
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Yoshitaka Tamaki, yeah. The OG shining force artist. He did Alundra and a few other games

Also has a personal twitter:


he still does the occasional drawing every now and then

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>> No.9456578
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I remember the anime version where I guess Xion became a fujo angel. That was kind of a bummer.

>> No.9456639
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One more NEET thanks to our trio of adventurers!

>> No.9456701
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And now for the real horror: birds are unskippable.

>> No.9456710
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No, thank you, I can find the way myself.
It's getting crowded there as is.

>> No.9456849

Is anyone willing to help a retard like me by linking a "how to get English SF3 for morons" site or mini-guide?

My google-fu is failure and I'd like to try SF3. I remember liking it on the Saturn only to be so disappointed at the "no more game 4 u" ending that I ragequit everything Sega-related for 20 yrs.

>> No.9456861
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Speaking of pain-in-the-ass to grind characters...

>> No.9456927
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>highest attack on the team at the time of the joining
>my Max and Mae are level 15
While I got a lot of unlucky rolls, especially with the birds, Pelle certainly is a powerhouse.

>> No.9456940

He's not that bad.
Unlike Adam.
Or Eric when you don't pick him at the Creed's Mansion the first time.

>> No.9456959
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Nice thread. Anri is my girl and I name all of my female characters or mage characters after her.

Here is a screenshot I took when I played SF2 on GENS in 2006. Don't mind the filters. Slade was my favorite in this game for his extreme versatility.

>> No.9456968

It's been a while but I think one of the problems with the birds is that they use swords and there are a very limited number of high tier swords to go around.

>> No.9456979

slade rules. one of the best rpg characters ever

>> No.9456987

>+4 defense on the first level up
Now it's higher than Mae's too. Despite being 6 levels lower.
Dude's awesome.

>> No.9457214
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I think it's a good place to stop for now.
Skipping pretty much everyone felt fresh, though that might be because of playing with just three characters for quite a while.
Will continue later after some sleep.

>> No.9457332

its weird, when i was younger, i would give him the power ring, and him and slade would always be vying for best hitter (and then peter also steps up), and i never had a problem with him. but in my most recent playthrough, he couldnt keep up and was as useless as luke. he was literally the first one i subbed out because at least luke could be a flying healing seed dispenser. maybe i just got really bad level up rng that time and didnt gain enough attack. i used to love the little guy. realistically, he does kind of suck, because he's always so vulnerable to getting one-shot by magic. neat gimmick character, and better than jogurt, but still not quite good enough.

>> No.9457792
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I always figured that the reason he never contacted the OG crew was because he didn't want to drag them back into things while hunting Mishaela. But yeah, Climax's always had a soft spot for Max, and I appreciate that since he's the best.

>> No.9457798
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See that's what I'm talking about. You beat the game, [SUPPLEMENTS HAPPEN], then all of a sudden he's a half-dead demon angel who murdered one of his companions. What the hell did we miss?! You don't translate the beginning and end of a story and leave the middle out in the air!

>> No.9457829
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Updated SF3 translation patch released

>> No.9457946

>The order of difficulties “Difficult” and “Hard” have been fixed. Previously they were swapped such that “Hard” was to the left of “Difficult” in options. Now they are properly in order of difficulty from left to right
I don't understand. How does this happen in the first place? I thought it is just a translation so why would the order of difficulty not go from left to right? I always assumed they are just editing a notepad. Do they need to hex edit stuff or something?

>> No.9457948

He is shivering. Will you name him?

>> No.9457980

Or that whole thing about Wind X being the grand epilogue to that whole story, while tying it to Camelot stuff and setting up Blade all while being a Japanese mobile phone TRPG that was never ported to anything else.
I wish Sega treated Shining series better, though I guess they don't care about it anymore, since Cross ended and Resonance Refrain flopped.

>> No.9457989

>The Moogie Arrow was placed on the empty mountain top in Battle 16. Previously a game shark only item which enables the special attack Goddess Charm, which has the effect of a Charm spell. The Moogie Arrow was, of course, named after our Goddess Moogie and this addition to the game will be accompanied by her inclusion in the lore, specifically in the SF3 World Book Translation Project. This is a fitting tribute to everything she has done for us over these many years.
Okay, but is there a version without this gay ass shit?

>> No.9458051
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Resonance was a surprisingly solid game. It was more or less Tales of Shining. Then again my standards have taken such a beating in recent years it just might be my brain trying to cope.

Does anyone know WTF happened in Wind X? You see hints of connections to OG Shining here and there in the Blade/Wind saga, but nothing more. It's driving me nuts not knowing WTF happened.

>> No.9458052

I know RoDD isn't as beloved as the original, but among the things it added, I always loved the battle sprites being tweaked in small ways for every character. Having different armor and not just the colors made characters more pleasant to use.
Oh, and adding promotions to Musashi and Hanzou was cool too.

>> No.9458067

Why is there eceleb shit in the english patch?

>> No.9458082

Anyone got a previous version of SF3 patch?

>> No.9458086

I fucking hate trannylators so much it's unreal.

>> No.9458103
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https://archive.org/download/sega-saturn-champion-collection-updated/S/ (look up shining)

Not a patch by itself but they are older versions pre patched

>Why not cdromance
Because they already updated it with the newer patches like the owner always does

>> No.9458125

Thank you!
Hey, >>9456849 if you're still here, this should help you too!

>> No.9458135

>legalize freedom!

What's this in reference to?

>> No.9458138

ug now I wonder what other fan fiction they stuffed into their translations

>> No.9458604
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Damn, the little guy can probably solo the rest of the game by himself.

>> No.9458937
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I feel myself slowly dying inside trying to level this piece of shit. Could be not as bad if I did that in the mission where he joins, but I accidentally killed Chaos with Bleu (44 HP wasn't a safe zone at all) and I didn't feel like replaying, so suffering through forest slog it is.
Why the fuck is he level 10 when he joins anyway? Especially when Alef and Torasu are way above that and you technically get them beforehand?
Speaking of that, I guess I got my first mage. Yay.

>> No.9458940
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>> No.9458967
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Favorite OSTs? For me it's water goddess mitula (ignore the sonic retards in the comments)

>> No.9458997
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There are a lot of stuff I could post, like from SitD or CD, but this one is probably my fave overall.

>> No.9459003
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Unfortunately, this game has a lot of appeal to furfags and degens, for obvious reasons. I don't blame the game though.

>> No.9459010
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>implying you wouldn't

>> No.9459041

I'm still here - like I said, I'm retarded about this stuff, so I assume it will take me a few days to figure this shit out.

Is RetroArch any good for Sega .bin .cue files? Everyone on reddit is too stupid to explain anything properly and I'm not watcihng some dumb "hey it's ya boi like and subscribe" 20 minute YouTard tutorial.

>> No.9459047
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I love Adam despite his stats. Laser-blasting a dragon never gets old for me.

I wouldn't because there's a perfectly good princess right there.

>> No.9459070

Laser-blasting a dragon to critically deal 1 point of damage gets old very fast.
Shooting rockets at a dragon with a bazooka on the other hand, now that's just beautiful!

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>> No.9459115

no use mednafen

>> No.9459152
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Hey man, you'll never hear me say a word against Lyle.

It's a nice pic, innit? Here's one of the narrator for Final Conflict just to throw in something obscure.

>> No.9459160
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She cute.

>> No.9459162
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>I always assumed they are just editing a notepad.

>> No.9459164
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Ah shining storyteller girls...

>> No.9459169
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Made me want to sketch my girl Tao, she's fantastic in in the early to mid game and even later on she's still useful.
Left one is her original and I drew her a new dress on the right.

>> No.9459227

Doesn't he make ludes from time to time?

>> No.9459260

doesnt adam become decent if you actually farm him to 20 and then promote him, and then have him catch up in levels to the rest? yes you have to egress and deliberately feed him a gorillion kills, but doesnt he do decent once he is of equivalent level?

>> No.9459279
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Why, yes, he actually started to do decent-ish damage around level 20+10 (with a power ring). The problem is getting there. Like I wouldn't do that if I wasn't playing on the emulator using speed up.

>> No.9459286

yes, hes like any non weapon character and gains assload of attack typically reaching the 80 - 90 range, his HP and DEF gains can be pretty random but often have at least one higher than his attack.

The real issue is his low movement and the fact you get Musashi right before him who is also just a brick shithouse character that is also slow but is leveled and ready to go.

>> No.9459291
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>yes, hes like any non weapon character and gains assload of attack typically reaching the 80 - 90 range
I trust my luck with Gong too.

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>> No.9459371

I thought I was the only person who preferred Sword of Hajya, that was my favorite GG game as a kid. When I started a game I would spend forever using the code to name change every character.

>> No.9459409
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And so, here they are, eleven brave warriors who call themselves Shining Force (probably because all the members were bright about forcing themselves onto Max), ready to take on Dark Sol forces in Runefaust.
Unlike me, who needs to take a break after getting Alef, Torasu and Adam to 30+ levels, even though I could probably just leave them be.

>> No.9459440
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As someone who played only the CD version, I got to ask how did the story feel as a standalone for you? Especially the last battle.
Like, I love the scenario and the characters a ton. It's probably the most creative one before the Saturn era. But still it's hard to see it for me as its own thing, with all the things from the prequel.

>> No.9459498

>I wish Sega treated Shining series better,
you can say that about a lot of their franchises. And a lot of other developers too.

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>> No.9459519

There is a depressing lack of decent fanart that's not absolutely gay. Why the hell did Sega fans never learn how to draw? Draw things that weren't Sonic.

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>> No.9459538

How was the GBA version of Shining Force 1? I remember playing it for a bit but never got very far and ended up usually just going back to my Genesis version.

>> No.9459579

>(ignore the sonic retards in the comments)
I want to kill every zoomer. Sonic can't stop infecting other things can he?

>> No.9459860

other than the fact it has worse sound and resolution than the Genesis version, it was better overall, imo.

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>> No.9460143
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I was always lukewarm on Diane, but this dude draws her perfect.

I think it's a function of how obscure it is nowadays. The more popular a thing is, the bigger net you've got to catch good artists wanting to draw it, or people with money wanting to pay good artists to draw it.

>> No.9460153
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I mean that's certainly a factor, but it's not like the games were especially obscure either so I feel like there should be at least something.

>> No.9460345
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Very cool, but not definitive by a long shot. I prefer treating it as a standalone thing, even if I love some elements from it a lot.
Talking to the other members in HQ is nice, even though there are some oddities here and there. Expanded cutscenes and lines that characters got against some of the enemies or in battle intros are nice.
Battle sprites are very good, especially since everyone isn't just a colorswap anymore. Oh, and alt costumes for the girls are also got them now.
New storyline with Narsha and new characters are great.
Musashi and Hanzou got classes to be promoted to.
New Game+ with increase of the difficulty is neat.
Better translation
Max is more talkative now and not in a good way
Music is worse
New characters are broken as fuck, except for the coolest one (who is a rip-off from FEDA anyway)
Screen is crunched
Promotion gimps magic-users hard now
Musashi and Hanzou promotions might be too weeb and not as cool, depending on your tastes.
Game didn't really account for any of the sequels and some of the other side materials existing, so there might be some oddities and/or questionable decisions if you're into SF lore.

>> No.9460380

Even worse, it's not actual Sonic fans, it's "Sonic.exe" fans, because it was used in a fucking fan-game.

I hate it. Seeing a random dipshit call Shining Force II "Some obscure Japanese game" in the comments. I hate it all.

>> No.9460473
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>Seeing a random dipshit call Shining Force II "Some obscure Japanese game" in the comments.
I mean, I don't know if I would really call him wrong, even if I love the game.

>> No.9460608

It's literally the first SRPG series to be brought over to English speaking countries besides the first Langrisser game. It isn't obscure. He's a mouthbreather for saying that.
I also didn't see that in the comments at all but I believe.

>> No.9460665

I should take my mini sega outside and keep playing SF2 but it's cold and I'm hungover.

>> No.9460680

Wasn't that Crystal Warriors?
You know, that one obscure game on Game Gear?
Shining series got a cult following, sure, but it's not widely known nowadays.

>> No.9460796

Shining Force beats it by a month.

>> No.9460801

>Crystal Warriors
I had that for GG back when I was a kid. Loved that shizzle. Still do, actually. Was very happy to learn it had a sequel that built on the OG in every way while still staying moreorless true to the formula. Loved it when that got a translation.

>> No.9460804

True. When I got SF after playing CW first, I was blown away by how in depth the gameplay was in comparison.

>> No.9460930
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>Beyond The Times
You belong to me sayonara ienakute
Can someone remind me the lore about Max, Kane, lady of the pool and Ian? It's been a long time since I've read it or played RoDD.

>> No.9461048

I rolled the sequel in the Gauntlet. Great looking game, really enjoyed it, and was surprised at how grim it got at times.

>> No.9461084

What wazzit with Sega doing so much Arabian-themed fantasy in the 90s while everyone else went the Euro-fantasy route? Crystal Warriors, Royal Stone, Defenders of Oasis, Beyond Oasis, Monster World IV and Legend of Oasis. That's six, mostly unrelated games from a single company. Has any other company done as many (or more)?

>> No.9461112

>fuck my horse pussy senpai
I keep wanting to enjoy these games but the furfaggotry is too intense

>> No.9461121
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>> No.9461141
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I get you, those games tend to be distracting.

>> No.9461153
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Max and Kane were brothers, Kane knocked up some lady who birthed Ian.

According to JP supplements and ROTDD, both Max and Kane are Ancients who were cryo-frozen to act as guardians of the Seal/wielders of the Swords of Light and Darkness, but Darksol fucked it up. (You can actually see the cryo-machines in SF1, but they don't explain what it is). In this timeline, the Lady of the Pool is the ghost of their mother or a hologram representation of her, can't remember which.

Pic unrelated.

>> No.9461182

>Kane knocked up some lady who birthed Ian.
That's the part I've been wondering about. How, where and when did that happen?
IIRC there wasn't that much time for that, unless it was while Kane was under Dark Sol's control.

>> No.9461186

This is great and matches that distinctly almost cartoony look of early Shining

>> No.9461191
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If it's ever stated, I couldn't find it.

>> No.9461198

Ah, well, it's not like I expected much info.
As interesting as FC seems, it always felt a bit forced into the continuity just to tie everything together.

>> No.9461532
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Ah supplements, you can imagine my shock upon learning that Lisa done got knocked up by Galm the Vanddal in some supplemental that never lead to anything of note.

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Baby dady in question

>> No.9461568
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IIRC they were planning to use that plot point in the future, but then everything fell apart. I think there was concept art of the kid somewhere.

Given that Lisa was knocked up while unconscious, and she seems none the wiser when she wakes up/rejoins the party, I wonder at what point she figured out what happened.

>> No.9461587
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And here I would love to demonstrate why Alef is the best wizard in Shining Force 1.

>> No.9461593
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Look at her go.

>> No.9461661

>Dark Sol's final words were "Cringe fools!"

>> No.9461690
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Uh, Lowe, why are you even here? I left you in Guardiana.
And who are those people behind you? Princess' entourage that picked her up from Manarina?

>> No.9461750
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So you comment on the armor and not the cyborg?
Also makes me wonder what race is that guy. He looks a bit like Gnorn from SitD.

>> No.9461781

Well Max's not wearing armor in the picture, so I always figured he was an idiot that thought the robot was a dude in armor despite the fact that HIS HEAD IS FLOATING.

>> No.9461841
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>I wonder at what point she figured out what happened.
I imagined she'd put 2+2 fairly quickly once she notices the gaping ruins of what was once her vagina.

>> No.9461879

where are the cryo machines?

>> No.9461883
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>> No.9461892
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Nice watermark.

>> No.9461924

Darksol is also an Ancient himself. Dark Dragon was created by the Ancients and it destroyed them. Darksol like merges or something with Dark Dragon and that's how it is controlled.

>> No.9461930

Wasn't Darksol one of three devil kings with Zeon and Lucifer?

>> No.9461932

Well, that's from the remake on GBA, but I've heard it's a much more accurate translation. Perhaps it was a recon, though.

>> No.9461938
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Zeon being some really crazy devil looking thing, while Darksol just look like a man, the retcon could be that he's a devil king.

>> No.9461942
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You get her way too late for her great damage spell selection to matter. It'd be fine if you could cast from an item like in FE, but with a limited amount of MP you'll have to redo maps over and over.
Anri is great, you get her pretty early on and she has the best damage/MP ratio with her Freeze spells. Even Tao is better simply because she's been a promoted Wizard for 10 levels before you get Alef, and Tao gets the Attack Up spell.

Thanks. I tried to make her look like she does in game. I really like the SF 1 and 2 art, it has a very particular 80's vibe. ...and the guys have chins, even the wizard gets a chin!

>> No.9461945

no mention of devil kings at all in the first game, iirc.

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Thank ya kindly.
>Thanks. I tried to make her look like she does in game. I really like the SF 1 and 2 art, it has a very particular 80's vibe.
It's sort of got that Rankin bass fairy tale vibe to it, which I rather miss. I don't have any beef against and even rather enjoy anime style but I feel like this just sort of has a more timeless universal quality. Back when you didn't much think about where your games came from beyond their platform.

>> No.9461958

Being a retcon is a possibility. Remake pretty much ignored any sequels.
Could be, but that just exposes how poorly Shining games were connected before StHA to SF3. Though the map in Simone's book features a land that is similar to Paramecia.

>> No.9461963

I never saw why everything had to be connected, It was sort of cool when three and arc did it's whole "thing" but I feel like a game needs to stand on it's own more. I feel like the games always kind of felt like stories and legends rather than something like that so there being a few inconsistencies shouldn't be the major bother.

>> No.9461972

>you'll have to redo maps over and over.
Or you can just let her deal finishing blows to every enemy from that point on. Unlike Adam, that would be a piece of cake since magic doesn't care about defense.
Also giving her Demon Rod might help.

>> No.9461980

>Or you can just let her deal finishing blows to every enemy from that point on
You could do that for a lot of characters.

>> No.9461991

You might think that it can work with Adam, but without abusing Egress it won't. Might be a bit tight with Hanzou too.
Otherwise, yes, pretty much. It's just Alef worth it much more than most characters.

>> No.9462061

i dont know about the gba remake, but the storytellers in tristan after the zalbard fight in sf2 say that "dark sol, dark dragon (probably a mistranslation instead of lucifer), and zeon all fought to control arc valley, and the winner would be crowned king of the devils. zeon won, and the other two envied him, so they sealed his powers (somehow, despite him being strong than them apparently) in the jewel of evil.

>> No.9462324

SF1 has a serious problem with characters you could use, or just finish the game in five hours less.
In 2 the only guys that hit that category are Chaz, and the Creed guys you leave for later.

>> No.9462443

I'm sorry but the lore is sounding dumb as shit.

>> No.9462478

It is because we are missing an important piece like what devils are and why they are even allowed to do fucking anything. The giant bird god Volcanon is literally willing and able to instantly go slap around devils and during shining force II if Bowie had legit failed he would have instantly stepped in to wreck shit but didn't help for some reason?

>> No.9462514

I remember reading somewhere that Volcanon was disillusioned with humans for fucking so hard and he wanted them to prove him their worth.

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This. Since mortals released Zeon, he wanted mortals to re-seal him, or at least try their damnedest before stepping in. Mitula says as much with the line about how the god can't have mortals relying on them all the time.

Darksol was originally an Ancient with special powers, but his constant fuckery with evil turned him into a Devil King as far as I could tell. His kid does something similar in Shining in the Darkness, with that pact he makes at the end. You see Darksol's Devil King form at the end of Final Conflict.

There's also a novel that explains everything as well as more connections between 1 and 2. Bleu goes on a journey to Parmecia because someone steals the Manual of the Seal again and meets a bunch of SF2 characters, but, you guessed it, it's only in Japanese.

I tried to Google translate a few summaries of it I found, but the results were... unfortunate.

>> No.9462630

Well, even gods like Volcanon don't really mesh with Shining Force 1. It's said the Ancients are the ones that created all the different types of characters, like elves, centaurs and the like. So where the heck did these gods show up from?

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I skip the plot to get to the battles

>> No.9463063

Huh, so I guess we're just left with a lot of questions. I just eventually considered all the game not related in any way. It would be nice if we had those extra bits that might have made it all make more sense.

Fun games none-the-less.

>> No.9463115

2's good.
The 3 trilogy has the best gameplay and great presentation, but awful writing. The fact that the translation effort for that game is coordinated by a weird fan cult that adds their fanfiction to the game doesn't help.
The Gaiden games are really bad. Absolutely no unit options and awful maps.
Shining Wisdom is also dogshit.
Shining the Holy Ark is a very comfy 5/10.

>> No.9463128

They've been at this for years. Their fan translation has never been accurate. The fucking subtitle of Scenario 3 isnt even remotely correct. They've been billing money from the fandom to "translate" the JP resource books, which actually means changing the composition and contents of the pages and even redrawing assets for no good reason.

>> No.9463171

Is there a list of what was changed then or not? Because while 3 was my least favourite for the overall setting and plot, it didn't exactly stand out to me either compared to what the official ones were doing.

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Shining the Holy Ark is way better than 5/10. It's not super deep or anything, but it's a very fun dungeon crawler. Shining in the Darkness is fun too, but Shining the Holy Ark has more variety with multiple towns and more interesting dungeons.

>> No.9463304

That would work if not for the FC cementing the connections.
Gaiden games are great. Unit options are as good as in the SF2 in practice and maps are at least decent.

>> No.9463312

SitD artstyle and animations are a soul overload.
It's such a shame that SF1 featured them much less and the games after were made without Climax.

>> No.9463323

Holy Ark has more pure content but is a far less engaging game mechanically and has way worse map design. Anyone patient enough to deal with either game has tons of better options, but Holy Ark is far more mind numbing than Darkness. 5/10 is a perfectly reasonable assessment. It's inoffensive but has nothing going for it, either.

>> No.9463326

that's cute. I want more shining in the darkness stuff.

>> No.9463330

So everyone agrees that Shining Wisdom is an abomination?

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Wisdom is an odd game. As a Zelda clone its lacking in fact you can say its shit. Its a souped up genesis title on Saturn when even on that system there's better clones

But I like the other aspects of it. I like the designs and art, I appreciate the more experimental OST, and I don't mind the connections to SF2.

But if Wisdom never existed and Camelot focused more on either Holy ark or SF3 more or just make a brand new IP then Wisdom. I wouldn't miss it too much

>> No.9463348

There are much better Shining Action RPGs in the series, even if Camelot-only fags will never acknowledge that.

>> No.9463351

It's more of a really bad Ys clone.
>But I like the other aspects of it. I like the designs and art
of course you would, you coomer idiot.

>> No.9463356

They did a Helluva lot of alluding to things you never got to experience, but that didn't feel that odd at the time. It was like how in Star Wars they always talked about the stuff that would have eventually become the prequel trilogy, you just kinda rolled with it as some ongoing conflict you were just a part of. The whole amnesia thing made it work well enough I guess.

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I guess with the accelerator gimmick I can understand

>of course you would, you coomer idiot.
I know anon, but I'm not blind enough to claim Wisdom is a hidden masterpiece at least.

>> No.9463446

>Unit options are as good as in the SF2
Gaiden 2 only has like four optional characters, and for two of them you already have strictly better versions of the same archetype.

>> No.9463495

The joke is that you get pretty much everyone worth using before hitting North Paramecia, except for, like, two more healers and the other magic user at Creed's. But even then it's a winmore thing. And on top of that experimentation with the troops isn't nearly as fun as it is in SF1.

>> No.9463508

I wonder how hard would it be to make a Final Conflict 16-bit remake using assets from SF2.

>> No.9463518

I know SF2 isn't the best on this, I'm just stressing how bad Sword of Hajya's options are. They may as well not let you choose your troops at all. None of the games ever matched SF1 on player options, but at least 2 and 3 kinda tried.

>> No.9463523

Depends: how close do you want it to be to the original and how willing are you to gut and reconstruct an entire Genesis game?

>> No.9463540

I'm saying that I'm okay with that.
It might do more with the fact that I really love all original Force members in SFG2, so getting to use nearly all of them across the split Force situation is pretty good deal for me.
Kinda sucks for the variety in tactics, I guess, but I doubt that it's what most people play SF for anyway.

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I'm not saying to do so as a hack of the second game (though that might be an option), but more as a thought experiment, considering how much of it can be thought about as a demake.
If I wanted to just play it with updated graphics, I'd probably try to look into locating and porting the translation to the Android version of the game.

>> No.9463732

I really want to play StHA but I'm not super up on the emulation scene anymore, what's a good functional emulator for the Saturn?

From what I've seen and read you're the only person saying it's a 5/10 game. Chances are you're the one being a contrarian.

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StHA is 8/10 for me, with SitD being 7/10. These scores are assigned with both fun factor and the limits of past technology in mind.

>> No.9463897

Or I just have an opinion. Jesus Christ.

Like I said, it's a comfy game. Good looks and music, nice atmosphere. I just think the actual gameplay and design is middle of the road. Not offensive or frustrating enough to be bad, not engaging or creative enough to be good. It's just kinda there, which is why it doesn't get talked about much.

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Probably biased because it was the first JRPG I ever played but I love Shining in the Darkness, but I also enjoy making my own maps. I also enjoy the first person fantasy anime town perspective.

>> No.9463962

>Shining in the Darkness
>Shining the Holy Ark
play these games if you like Golden Sun

>> No.9464002

I played it for the first time this year and enjoyed it. The normal encounters were usually mash fests, but otherwise it was exceptionally tight. The art was really charming.

>> No.9464016

Then realize just how crap golden sun is

>> No.9464017

not really

>> No.9464024

ya really

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Does this have anything to do with the games, or is it just some side story or something?

シャイニング・フォース ~神々の降臨~
Shining Force - Descent of the Gods (?)

Looks like a 3 volume comic.


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>> No.9464282

So the first game came out in March of 1992 and it looks like this was 6 months later September of 1992. I wonder what it's about and if it provides information that would help understand how everything ties together.

>> No.9464289

Goddamn, Max.

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Bean Bandit?

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It's a direct sequel to SF1, though I'm not certain how canonical it is given how off the rails it goes.

It was partially translated ages ago, though the scanlation never got off the ground.

I know for a fact that the other SF manga (the one done by the Pokemon artist) was not canonical.

>> No.9464964

No in-between every chapter you have to place as a donut steel in baby-tier original battles that ruin the pacing and add fanfiction.net writing to the story. I'm personally not a fan of the art in the GBA version either.

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>as a donut steel
>fanfiction.net writing
Camelot was more guilty of that than RotDD devs. Not that Gaiden 1 is bad. Guardiana fools had it coming to them.
And considering that the "new stuff" was written and designed by people who worked on the first game, I wouldn't disregard it that easily anyway.

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>Guardiana fools
Who let this Runefaust wretch into this thread?

>> No.9465064
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So Dark Dragon is the last boss of Shining Soul? I think I might have to give it a try...

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I'm Cypress patriot actually.
Imagine lending your army to a guy from a country that put your queen into coma without any background checks.

>> No.9465257

Why is she blue?

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>> No.9465294

she is also a demon and darksol's wife

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Been playing it myself over the last couple days; can't really rec it though. The soul's there but it's all frontloaded; just finished up SMT 2 and I felt it far more engaging for similar amounts of tediousness. From my notes:

I have this on 'Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection'.... but totally played it on 3ds Picodrive instead.

Because this is NOT a game you play without speedup function. Even then I used the 2021 Ilya Indigo anti-grinding patch on the suggestion of a /vr/ anon - and you can IMMEDIATELY see why. The dungeon you step into within 5 minutes of starting the game is just a 20 minute trek towards one of the dumbest RPG beefgates I've ever seen; this giant enemy crab just scuttles around the corner and proceeds to push your shit in, and that was WITH the patched game freely giving me the sword/leather armor you would've had to grind for an hour+ for in the unpatched game, too. You start this up on an actual genesis, be prepared to mindlessly press C for ages before you can do more than dip your toe into dungeon crawling.

Beyond that:
-The game is nice about its dungeon design at least; it's labyrinthine right off the get-go, but unlike SMT or the like it actually has little environmental markers like torches or puddles to freshen the stank up a tad.
-The game's visuals in the town and NPC are also really striking in that unique Genesis way...
-It's just a shame they do jack all with them. You explore the town at the start of the game, see one legit humorous skit with your party members when they join up, and the the game CEASES TO UPDATE DIALOGUE OR PRESENT ANY SEMBLANCE OF TERTIARY GOALS FOR THE NEXT SIX HOURS OF PLAYTIME. It's such a fucking waste of a very decent world.

>> No.9465548

She's a dark elf.

>> No.9465558

Yup, but it is all in alternate universe and not quite the same, though the Shining feeling is there.

>> No.9465805

YOU are the poser playing Sega games on Nintendon't platforms.

>> No.9465946

I play it on PC though.

>> No.9466091

Provided citation.

>> No.9466131

Not sure about demon part, but Dark Sol did knock her up. Or so Final Conflict says.
Their son is the boss of SitD.

>> No.9466521

I wanna play a Cooking Mama style spin-off called Shining Fork that tells the story of the unsung hero cooks who fed each iteration of the Force. Fuck you, it's a good idea.

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>unsung hero
It's Lowe in SF1 and likely Gaiden 1 and Jaha in Gaiden 2
Don't know about SF2 and FC though.

>> No.9466670

I'd play it.

>> No.9466743

Seriously, tho, that's exactly who I was thinking. As for SF2, I'd say it's probably Astral himself or that game's Jaha.

Danke. I'd bet Quick Chicken would ironically take an /eternity/ to cook up.

>> No.9466831

Never understood why they gave her pink hair in the remake.

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>> No.9467181

Shining Force 1 & 2 are crippled by the fact you can't turn off battle animations. That being said 2 is wayyy better than 1.

>> No.9467249

>soulless poster

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No one is immune to the idiot ball once the writers pass it to you.

So long as you're not one of those human-sacrificing Iomite dogs.

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