/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9402976]

For the price of 1.5 Everdrives you could buy a MiSTer. Should I do this? It seems like the better option.

[Anonymous No.9402984]

>>9402976
Are you intending to play on a CRT? And how far up are you trying to emulate?

[Anonymous No.9402985]

>>9402976
for the price of a mister you could buy a good computer

[Anonymous No.9402994]

>>9402976
I got mine on Saturday and I've been enjoying it. I have it hooked up both to a 55" TV as well as my PVM, works well with both. I've already played a few games to completion, and I'm working my way through one of my favorite jRPGs. Looking forward to the Saturn core getting fully released. It's been surprisingly user friendly. I'm more comfortable with the menus in MiSTer after a few days than I am with Retroarch after about a fucking decade of using it. Also, between Mr. Fusion and the Update-All script, getting everything set up is basically automated.

I'm thinking about either getting a MT-32 Pi or getting an actual MT-32 and SC-55 to enhance the old computer experience.

[Anonymous No.9403005]

>>9402984
I'd like to do both if possible. I have a retro set up next to my office (in my basement) but in reality I'd really appreciate the option up play old games in my regular living room. I had a middling game collection from 2600-6th gen that I got rid of earlier this year. I was planning on modding my disc based consoles (already did my Wii and PS2) but have been more hesitant to shell out for the Everdrives I had planned on getting.

I seem to understand it emulates well and maybe gets rocky around the PS1 and Saturn? Dreamcast probably not possible? Fine by me considering I don't mind doing ODE mods.

[Anonymous No.9403008]

>>9402985
I already have one! Which makes me wonder too--should I build my own MiSTer or buy a pre built one?

[Anonymous No.9403010]

>>9403005
The PS1 core is great, the Saturn core is still under heavy development and hasn't been fully released (you can download it and install it yourself, but it's not coming down from the official updater script).

[Anonymous No.9403023]

>>9403008
They aren't hard to put together, but sourcing the parts can be difficult right now, and you could end up paying a mark-up that might make it worth just buying a pre-built.

[Anonymous No.9403048]

enjoy your expensive emulator

[Anonymous No.9403083]

>>9403010
>the Saturn core will never work but still buy it

[Anonymous No.9403086]

>>9403083
What's the evidence for that claim? It already fully works with some games, and they are releasing new builds all the time.

[Anonymous No.9403089]

>>9403086
Ignore that guy he trolls every MiSTer thread

[Anonymous No.9403137]

>>9402985
My big question for mister users is: How does it feel to pay so much for an emulator that is always two steps behind the free emulators?

For me at some point in time I would realize that after throwing money in a hole, fiddling, throwing more money in the hole, the pay out may not be worth it.

[Anonymous No.9403170]

>>9403137
what free emulators

[Anonymous No.9403467]

>>9402976
Only you know whether you prefer emulation or real hardware, OP.

[Anonymous No.9403515]

>>9402994
pure cope

[Anonymous No.9403519]

>>9402976
if you don't care about accurate sound go for it. but why not just emulate with a pc if you want to emulate?

[Anonymous No.9403643]

>>9403170
Dolphin.

[Anonymous No.9403647]

>>9403048
Thanks, I do enjoy it. Still, it's a good thing that I bought my DE10-Nano a few years ago, before the prices went up.

[Anonymous No.9403948]

>>9403519
>accurate sound
Sound is most of the time an issue with emulation in general. So mister sucks too in that regard?

[Anonymous No.9404240]

>>9403948
Mdfourier a third party tool shows mister is indistinguishable from real hardware sounds on consoles it has been ported to.

[Anonymous No.9404615]

When is this shit coming?

[Anonymous No.9404696]

>>9404240
they haven't even gotten the Sid chip correct yet. so who gives a fuck what some third party paid shills think

[Anonymous No.9404794]

Your only regret will be you didn't get one sooner.

[Anonymous No.9404798]

>>9404794
my only regret is that you FUCKING REDEEMED because sir nobody and i do not mean anybody has actually told you to FUCKING REDEEM BENCHOD

[Anonymous No.9405069]

>>9403467
Well, it's been a slippery slope. I thought it had to be real hardware, real game, real CRT, and then I dumped my old games and kept the hardware and the CRT, now I might be dumping the hardware. and part of the appeal is that I won't be locked down to my CRT, I like my retro game setup in my basement but I don't wanna hang out in the basement all the time. I wanna play games in the living room sometimes.

[Anonymous No.9405070]

>>9404615
Just get the hamburger.

[Anonymous No.9405071]

>>9404794
>>9405069
bad bastard benchod hand type this

[Anonymous No.9405075]

So what's the best way to built one of these now? What parts are considered a necessity?

[Anonymous No.9405078]

>>9405075
many parts you will require to do the needful

[Anonymous No.9405087]

>>9405078
Yeah, that's hilarious, mate.

[Anonymous No.9405092]

>>9405087
are you laughing at me sir? you BLOODY FUCKING BLOODY FUCK BASTARD BITCH

[Anonymous No.9405105]

>>9405092
I don't even understand the Indian connection.
None of this is as clever as you think it is.

[Anonymous No.9405107]

>>9405105
by the many arms of vishnu i hope you catch the plague of the ganges with along all of your descendANTS sir

[Anonymous No.9405114]

>>9405107
Are you going to say "goyslop" next?

[Anonymous No.9405115]

>>9405114
do the needful

[Anonymous No.9405118]

>>9402976
is this the ROBBIN AND PUNJAB'N thread for based dalits and chaiwalas?

[The guy who tells namefags to kill themselves No.9405157]

>>9403643
but that cost me $2000 because thats what the pc I installed it on cost

[Anonymous No.9405160]

this thing gets shilled very hard

[The guy who tells namefags to kill themselves No.9405169]

>>9404615
just make your own

[Anonymous No.9405175]

>>9405169
dont you hate when you namefag 1 post before going to bed and forget to remove it the next day

[Anonymous No.9405297]

>>9405075
De10-nano and 128 mb ram. You can get by with an otg USB hub.

The full hamburger is with it though the hamburger style board can help prevent damage to the micro USB port.

The analog board is worth having for RGB, line out and spdif audio. I use the extra micro SD a bit too, and it has the buttons.

You only need a heatsink you don't need a fan.

[Anonymous No.9405347]

>>9405075
The most expensive part is the DE-10 Nano, by far. I think the second most expensive part is the RAM chip. At that point, you may as well buy the USB hub and an IO board, to complete the set. You can get an analog IO board if you want to hook it up to a CRT, otherwise just get a digital IO board (this will allow you to use dual RAM later if you want).

Alternatively, you could buy something like a MiSTer Multisystem or Ironclad, which are both solutions that have everything except the DE-10 Nano built-in. I think you're better off building the sandwich though.

[Anonymous No.9405356]

It seems like a lot of places who sell these reputably are sold out, is that common, like with Everdrives? Where should I look to?

[Anonymous No.9405364]

>>9405356
If you want to just buy the DE-10 Nano, you can order them directly from Terasic (I tried posting a link but 4chan think it's spam, just search for Terasic D10-Nano, they sell them on their site). I think Ultimate Mister might have some pre-builts in stock, not sure.

[Anonymous No.9405365]

>>9405347
this is supposed to be a tranny, isnt it

[Anonymous No.9405367]

>>9405365
Just some spic's anime OC. He does lots of fanart of old anime, and he made this character to pose with various retro gaming shit.

[Anonymous No.9405368]

>>9405367
...but it's supposed to be a tranny, right?

[Anonymous No.9405370]

>>9405368
Don't think so.

[Anonymous No.9405372]

>>9405370
somebody in another thread said it was but then again maybe that guy was just a fag. anyway, carry on

[Anonymous No.9405379]

>>9405372
I could be wrong, but he uses a male name and just seems to peddle a bunch of 80's inspired anime art.

[Anonymous No.9405402]

>>9405297
the fan does more than the heatsink. there are several videos that prove this. thermal tape is garbage. unless you can tightly secure a heatsink with thermal paste a fan alone is best.

[Anonymous No.9405465]

>>9405402
sure, but he's correct in saying it's not needed

[Anonymous No.9405603]

>>9405402
Aren't those full-on aluminum cases supposed to keep them pretty cool, with no fan?

[Anonymous No.9405604]

>>9405465
I hear that then I also hear some people had glitches in SNES games without any cooling. you don't need anything if it's just sitting out open probably, but if you put it in a case you have to move cool air in and hot air out

[Anonymous No.9405645]

>>9405402
Link the videos. I have been using only a heatsink for more than a year and I run all the fat cores ao486, A1200, PSX. As long as the heatsink has a path to convect heat upwards it will work fine, no gay fan whining like that homo that shitposts mister threads.

[Anonymous No.9405650]

>>9405604
The hamburger case has a hole at the top for convection. I don't belive those reports about SNES are anything more than anecdotal, the FPGA doesn't even come with a heatsink if it needed active cooling it would come with it.

[Anonymous No.9405702]

>>9405603
>trap heat
>it keeps it cool lol
no anon

the board can run naked open-air (stock configuration) and it does OKAY - if youre gonna play for more than 30-90 minutes with intensive cores then i suggest a $5 heatsink/fan

the fan literally comes with most analog iO boards anyways might as well use it


tldr; dont trap heat unless you are building a toaster, the de-10 doesnt care about overheating it just shows graphical errors when it starts cooking/throttling

[Anonymous No.9405709]

>>9405650
ive got the de-10 to show fuckups via thermal throttling but i dont remember what core it was

[Anonymous No.9405723]

>>9405709
Solid evidence.

[Anonymous No.9405725]

>>9405702
I can leave mine on running DOOM on ao486 in the middle of summer without any issues. No fan.

[Anonymous No.9405730]

>>9405723
i only ran fanless for a few weeks anon
it wasnt a dramatic system halting error
just erratic behavior
>>9405725
i think it has to do with efficiency of the core itself more than the software roms

[Anonymous No.9405743]

>>9402976
Laser cut acrylic is like baby's first design-for-production.
I design circuit boards and I don't trust any product that doesn't have a proper housing.

[Anonymous No.9405750]

>>9402976
Just get a wii/wiiu and emulate

[Anonymous No.9405751]

>>9405743
>i design circuit boards
let me guess you put the iO all over the fucking place like the rest of the "engineers"

i swear zero common fucking sense
bad design and im blaming you directly/personally


>t actual electrical engineer

[Anonymous No.9405770]

>>9405743
There's plenty of cases to choose from, you don't have to get an acrylic case. Hell, you can use any mini-ITX case if you get an Ironclad.

[Anonymous No.9405863]

Is it possible to build a basic MiSTer and then keep adding things to it, or does it all need to be done more or less at the same time? I really want a decked out one but maybe the best way to figure out what I actually want is to get the basic functionality down first.

[Anonymous No.9405874]

>>9403137
sorry that $500 is a lot of money for you
i enjoy my mister and my pc

[Anonymous No.9405879]

>>9405365
seek help

[Anonymous No.9405882]

>>9405863
Yes see >>9405297

I ran with the plain DE-10 nano and a simple USB hub for about six months. The RAM is worthwhile though and you can play all cores with this setup.

[Anonymous No.9405987]

>>9405645
heres one. jump to 13 minute mark for final results

https://youtu.be/e6mWImsF9iI

[Anonymous No.9405996]

>>9405987
and notice how much bigger that heatsink is than the one you can fit on the de10.

I'll try to find the videos I saw on forums where the heatsink was causing higher temps than no heatsink because shitty thermal tape was just trapping heat onto the chip

[Anonymous No.9406028]

>>9405987
Rpi4 what are you on about? They come with a fan out of the box.
That has nothing to do with mister which is a low clock device which doesn't even need a heatsink let alone a fan.

[Anonymous No.9406045]

Isn't it just the arm part on the DE10 nano that generates heat with cores that only use the fpga plus minimal arm running cool?

[Anonymous No.9406052]

>>9406045
It's an 800 MHz dual core arm. For comparison my phone has an 8 core 2+ GHz arm with no fan or heatsink.

[Anonymous No.9406056]

>>9406052
I have a similar phone and had an iPhone 4 ten years ago. The former runs cool and the latter overheated. It isn't that simple.

[Anonymous No.9406159]

>>9406028
rpi4's don't come with fan. it does't matter what sbc is tested, the results will be the same. the claim was "you don't need a fan just a heatsink" when the opposite is true. a fan with no heatsink will cool better than a heatsink with no fan.

[Anonymous No.9406167]

>>9406159
You are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9406215]

>>9403048
i love mine, but cheers for the encouragement!

[Anonymous No.9406271]

>>9406159
You understand that there was a time when desktop PCs were passively cooled, yeah?

[Anonymous No.9406314]

>>9405075
Technically, the only essential part is the DE-10 Nano board, which is also the most expensive.

However, the DE-10 Nano alone is only able to run about 5% or so of the cores: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Cores-that-use-SDRAM

Notable ones that work without additional RAM are some arcades, 486 PC, Apple II+, Atari 2600, Sega Genesis, and TurboGrafix16/PCEngine. Although some others like Atari 5200 and GBA can work without it, depending on the game some will require it still.

Basically, the RAM is also considered pretty essential unless you have just a very specific system you want to emulate that does not need it. Also the majority of them don't really need 128MB, 32 or 64MS will eb enough for the vast majority, but that was back when there was an actual cost savings to be had with not going all out with a 128MB module. Nowadays it's not worth it to go with a module smaller than 128MB to save money, if it will even save you any money at all.

All the other boards and addons are 100% optional. The most common configuration generally has a USB board just to give you easier access to more USB ports for controllers/keyboards/other accessories, and an analog I/O board (Although there is also a digital I/O board, but there is practically zero reason to use this since the DE-10 has built-in HDMI, it's mostly if you want to use Dual-RAM since the analog board uses up the pins that would connect to a second RAM module or really need TOSLINK or the built-in power switch) that outputs the video in various analog formats.

Some also add a hat based on Raspberry Pi that emulates the MT-32 for enhanced MiDi on DOS, PC-98, and Sharp X68000 systems.

There are also all-in-one boards designed to make it easy to install it in a PC ITX case, Jamma boards to install it in an arcade cabinet, or "consoleizer" boards to make it more like a console if you just want one pre-made board to plus the DE-10 into or specifically want that form factor.

[Anonymous No.9406325]

>>9406159
De10 doesn't even have a fan header.

[Anonymous No.9407979]

>>9402976
>For the price of 1.5 Everdrives you could buy a MiSTer.
Where do I buy a mister for $45 bucks? Why would I want to pay for emulation?

[Anonymous No.9408613]

>>9407979
Don't then? :3c

[Anonymous No.9408646]

>>9406325
it's got like 5 or 6 places to connect a fan. 3.3v and 5.v on both GPIO, and 5v on Arduino (I think 3.3v too but I don't recall)

[Anonymous No.9408648]

>>9406167
you're a stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.9408651]

>>9406271
your point?

did they generate as much heat as todays processors? were they passively cooled with tiny heatsinks attached with double sided tape?

[Anonymous No.9408675]

>>9408646
Voltage yes, fan header no. If it needed a fan it would have a fan header.

[Anonymous No.9408686]

>>9402976
yes, with saturn and playstation support and neo geo, cps 1 and 2, and most if not all 16 bit and 8 bit systems running it's a great value even at current prices. Nobody I know has ever regretted it.

[Anonymous No.9408842]

>>9408613
>Why would I want to pay for emulation?
>Don't then? :3c