/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9268021]

So this is basically better than software emulation, right?

[Anonymous No.9268062]

>>9268021
FGPA Everdrive>Aya Neo Pro>Anbernic RG 351>>Odroid>Aya Neo (regular)>Raspberry Pi>>>Retro Pocket 3>>Evercade>Coolboy RS-97+>>Powkiddy a66>>Analouge Pocket>Pirate multicart>>>Coolboy RS-97>>>>>MiSTER

[Anonymous No.9268070]

No. I own and love my MiSTer, but people should stop praising it as the second coming of Jesus in retro gaming. It is a small handy emulation machine which requires its emulators to be written differently from usual PC emulators. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Anonymous No.9268074]

Might as well go full PC to CRT

[Anonymous No.9268083]

>>9268021
If it's well-made from decent components and you don't completely bungle whatever configuration is required on your end, then yeah probably

[Anonymous No.9269783]

>>9268021
Not really no and it suffers the same bugs software emulators do
You're better off buying original consoles and their fgpa drives and if that doesn't work just use those fully functional emulators with raspberry pi over scart with a CRT and RetroArch 240-480 output

[Anonymous No.9269907]

By what metric are you better off using a Pi with retroarch?

[Anonymous No.9269926]

you already have a thread mister shill.

[Anonymous No.9269928]

>>9269907
Because it's cheaper and it will look the same after you convert your pi to component/scart. And if money is no object you'd go for the original consoles + each of their fgpa drives, mister is an early access product with the same issues/bugs as normal emulators. So you may as well just stick with what works over experimental with a higher price tag over a pi. Mister has that weird cultism in it similar to audiophools And only those types will disagree

[Anonymous No.9269978]

>>9269928
Or even what a previous anon said in just going PC > to CRT TV/Monitor and using rtx super resolutions

[Anonymous No.9270021]

>>9268021
Yeah it's worth every buck

[Anonymous No.9270085]

Yeah it is. Even if someone could get software emulation to equal accuracy then it's still superior for being more convenient

[Anonymous No.9270120]

It's much closer to original hardware than software emulation. No additional I put delay, no additional audio delay, just wels with peripherals, and easy to hook up to both a CRT and modern TV

If you value that native hardware feel, definitely go for the mister

[Anonymous No.9270416]

just buy the mister right now before price explodes

[Anonymous No.9271575]

>>9268021
An off-topic rant BUT:
Everyone talks about how unstable emulation is, but it's actually has much less problems than running some games on modern PC' natively.
If some emulated game has visible issues, it can be improved by improving the code of a single purpose software (the emulator)
PC games are infamous for having compatibility issues related to both software and hardware. Deus Ex 2 and Blood 2 are great example of games that most people just couldn't run because of said problems.
While this is less of an issue nowadays, PC games still tend to have performance accuracy related problems.
Some modern games (especially Japanese ones) tend to run better on Emulators (Yakuza 3 PC release for examples is infamous for being heavier on the CPU and runs worse than 4,5,6 and 0).

[Anonymous No.9271593]

>>9268021
no it's the same thing

[Anonymous No.9271647]

oh yeah for sure, since you have to pay money for it. it must be better somehow.

[Anonymous No.9271671]

>>9268070
Don’t be sensible, that’s not allowed at /vr/.

[Anonymous No.9271707]

>>9271647
Stop being poor.

[Anonymous No.9271713]

>>9271707
keep buying stupid shit. Me? I'm buying Japanese Women's Pro Wrestling VHS tapes from the 90s. you just don't know how to spend your retard money you retard

[Anonymous No.9271785]

It's all snake oil.

[Anonymous No.9271823]

>>9271785
lol retard

[Anonymous No.9271831]

>>9268070
if by "different way" you mean re-creating the original hardware at a logic level, then yes.
It's not emulation though, emulation is taking one set of instructions and either interpreting them on a different architecture or recompiling them on the fly to produce a valid output on alien hardware.

FPGAs are programmable logic gate arrays. You replicate the original hardware at the bare metal level, at the logic level.

[Anonymous No.9272298]

>>9269907
well for starters owning the pi doesn't automatically make you reddit

[Anonymous No.9272301]

>>9268021
If you're autistic about graphics then probably yes.
Otherwise no.

[Anonymous No.9272338]

>>9271831
Are you saying software emulation doesn’t mimic the function of a consoles logic?
The fuck am I reading here
Isn’t the main difference that it doesn’t need to be contained as a program and use the OS and API

[Anonymous No.9272357]

>>9268021
Nope. It's a piece of junk. PC is the better option to emulate games with.

[Anonymous No.9272447]

>>9268021
i love how this thing makes emufags seethe, merely posting a picture of it brings them out

[Anonymous No.9272451]

>>9272447
Before the Mister they used to hate the Wii.

[Anonymous No.9272459]

>>9272451
I can only imagine what they were like when it was favorable to mod an OG xbox as an emulation machine, lol. Just totally unprovoked they flock to a thread like this like flies on shit.

[Anonymous No.9272460]

>>9272338
"Logic" has a specific meaning. Software emulation doesn't even try to simulate the console at the logic level, because doing so would be impractically inefficient. Cycle accuracy is usually the ceiling for software emulation.

[Anonymous No.9273045]

>>9268070
based
It really is just another emulation box, don't let reddit fool you

[Anonymous No.9273065]

>>9268070
post mister

[Anonymous No.9273148]

>>9272447
The MiSTer is emulation. Lol Keep seething though, your tears are delicious.

[Anonymous No.9273301]

>>9268021
MiSTer offers a more realistic replacement for real hardware when supply inevitably diminishes. The best way to put it is that It's basically a bunch of everdrive carts wrapped into one as far as consoles go. Personally, the pros and cons come with what you are looking for but there are no absolute reasons why you can't use both. On the actual gaming side, software emulation is convenient to access on multiple devices you should already own. Companies have also re-released their games as part of compilations sometimes with enhancements or just basic modern emulator features to help new players enjoy old games. You don't even have to download shit, you just open a web browser and play the game on archive's web emulators. Where MiSTer wins though is the comparable performance to the actual hardware which provides a closer reference point to how a game should behave when you don't have convenient access to original hardware. What I don't understand is why people get so stuck up about the MiSTer. People are curious about novel ways to enjoy retro games and that alone is a valid reason to pick up a MiSTer FPGA. If you don't end up liking it, just resell it and possibly make a little bit extra back because the demand is insane. These threads are always flooded with people gripping to the illusion that there is only one true solution and the other options are going to give you cancer. What it seems like you think you are doing is saving people money by arguing against FPGA but you're actually stagnating a beneficial relationship where obscure games have a chance to be playable on software emulators thanks to the developments discovered while tracing functions on the physical chips.

[Anonymous No.9273431]

>>9273148
keep replying when someone posts a mister picture jungle rat, it never gets old :)

[Anonymous No.9273534]

>>9271831
At the end of the day if mister is not programmed correctly it can be worse than software emulation, so it isn't inherently magically better, still needs the work put in to be a good replication of the hardware.

faggots create a 3do and cdi core and I will buy right away.

[Anonymous No.9273540]

Scam. Programming hardware is the same as programming software and it's no better than a well-made software emulator.
Don't fall for it.

[Anonymous No.9273557]

>>9268021
Its easier to setup for 15khz compared to Groovymame/arcade or getting Batocera to do it. But for playing on a modern TV is absolutely retarded. Especially if you want to play later consoles, even N64 is way better upscaled and the filter turned off on a 4k TV

[Anonymous No.9273560]

>>9273301
holy shit wtf

[Anonymous No.9273959]

>>9273431
Lay off the copium, it's making you delusional.

[Anonymous No.9274093]

>>9268021
It is better than a pi

[Anonymous No.9274148]

Ignore the spammer.

MiSTer is better than software emulation if accuracy is your concern, if you dont care about accuracy theres no reason to get it. Even then the differences in accuracy with what it can currently emulate are so minimal it won't matter to most people, only true autists like me care.

The main draw of the MiSTer over emulation currently is its complete lack of additional input latency which will never be achievable with emulation. However with most emulators if you have powerful enough hardware you can enable hard GPU sync and run-ahead which can work around the emulator and let you achieve the input latency of original hardware. Its not TECHNICALLY accurate to do this and can cause animation hiccups on top of sacrificing the emulators processing towards accuracy, but again most people probably aren't going to give a shit.

People act like MiSTer is some premium product just because its more expensive than emulation boxes. Its not, its a niche device for people who want something that can fully replace real hardware. Not everyone wants or needs that and thats fine.

[Anonymous No.9274192]

>>9272447
>an emufag is seething about other emufags seething
I will never understand zoomers.

[Anonymous No.9274268]

>>9268021
It's worse than software emulation for most systems (Atari 2600 is the only exception I can think of), because it doesn't have runahead. Correctly configured emulation can have lower latency than the original hardware.

[Anonymous No.9274373]

>>9273301
Trying to sell myself on it but it is tough for me.
I have a snes with basic flashcart (no special chip games), a genesis with card, an rgb modded pce duo with cart/burning games, a nes with cart (not rgb modded tho), a modded ps1, a modded saturn and a wii. I really would like to play sega cd games, gba games, nes games in rgb and maybe dabble with neo geo and arcade titles (shmups), but otherwise I'm pretty well sorted currently. The wii can do all of those but the gba is not great and it doesn't play many arcade titles

[Anonymous No.9274385]

>>9274373
Yeah, MiSTer becomes a worse prospect the more shit you have. You could probably sell half that to zoomers and make your money back, but I know a lot of people don't like letting go of this stuff, I've still got all my flashcarts and consoles even though they haven't been plugged in for a couple of years.

[Anonymous No.9274443]

>>9274148
>ignore the spammer
>spams a big wall of text
Kek

[Anonymous No.9274467]

>>9274443
He is also 100 percent correct

[Anonymous No.9274549]

>>9274373
Keep in mind if you sell all that shit you would actually profit from getting a MiSTer but I understand not wanting to just for sentimental value.

[Anonymous No.9274825]

>>9274467
He's forgetting about the several frames of audio delay in software emulation as well. That's one of the big things for me

[Anonymous No.9275129]

>>9274467
Not really.

[Anonymous No.9275141]

>>9274825
or audio accuracy period, only megadrive emulator with accurate megadrive audio is Exodus

[Anonymous No.9275962]

>>9268021
No. It's no more accurate that software emulation. There was a massive interview with the creators in Edge magazine where they confirmed it.
They also don't have less input lag than software emulators, that's completely false.
Basically, the are a scam.

[Anonymous No.9275964]

>>9275141
Genesisplus GX in Retroarch has accurate audio. You just have to change like 2 settings in the core options.

[Anonymous No.9276195]

>>9275962
Resorting to lies? You're only lying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.9276345]

>>9275962
lol

[Anonymous No.9276350]

>>9275964
which settings?

[Anonymous No.9276453]

>>9275962
Correct. I own a MiSTer, it's not accurate. It's basically a mini computer with software emulation. Hardware emulation is a lie. You're better off owning a PC & downloading emulators than owning a MiSTer.v

[Anonymous No.9276512]

>>9269928
a Raspberry Pi is cheaper than what now? What is this, 2019?

[Anonymous No.9276515]

>>9276453
lol this false flagging

[Anonymous No.9276575]

>>9276453
>>9275962
What kind of mental illness is it for you to spam every single MiSTer thread with nonsense misinformation? Seriously why are you so obsessed? Claiming its a scam when its OPEN SOURCE has to be the single biggest retarded shit ive ever seen.

I seriously dont understand this type of autism, I swear I only see it here.

[Anonymous No.9276590]

>>9276575
what having no job does to a nigga

[Anonymous No.9276614]

>>9274443
I am sorry your mind is so broken that you dont have the attention span to read 2 paragraphs

[Anonymous No.9276652]

>>9276575
I fucking hate what companies who fucking outright lie to people about overpriced shit hardware has done to the world. This garbage is yet another example of a bunch of scammers creating shitty, limited hardware that has zero advantages over traditional emulation and viral marketing it to fucking gullible people.
Those shitlords should be in prison and forced to refund every bit of money they took in from the suckers they scammed. MiSTer is an actual scam and it's sad that you have been brainwashed into thinking it's not. I feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.9276667]

>>9276652
Are you fucking serious right now? You do know the DE-10 Nano wasnt intended for emulation in the first place right? Its an FPGA board that was intended for university education (computer engineering since your dumb fucking brain probably wouldnt make that connection). In fact its heavily subsidized by Intel and is very cheap for an FPGA board, and they probably arent happy with retro game enthusiasts eating up the supply when its being sold on a razor thin margin as is.

The whole reason the project started on it is BECAUSE it was relatively affordable and hobbyist devs saw the opportunity. MiSTer devs are not making any money off of this since they dont sell or produce the hardware. Thats what open source means, dumb shit.

Why am I even wasting my time replying to this asinine disaster of a post? I feel like I'm talking to a 9 year old right now.

[Anonymous No.9276672]

>>9268021
depends on the core
but technically yes
its easier once its configured properly
also boots faster than your toaster pc

[Anonymous No.9276705]

>>9276667
Let me know when your shit isn't sold for a premium price. Oh wait. Razor thin margin, my ass. FPGA boards are cheap as living fuck and MiSTer is an expensive pile of shit marketed to idiots.
Good fucking god, all you have to do is aggressively market shit to people and all of a sudden you don't even have to market it any more, people will just promote and defend the fuck out of it because they don't want to feel like they wasted money on something that was an obvious waste of money.
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.9276707]

>>9276705
Youre embarassing yourself, just stop. You got BTFO.

[Anonymous No.9276721]

>>9276667
Capped for all eternity. Every time the anti-MiSTer fag shows up I'm just going to post this.

[Anonymous No.9276727]

>>9276721
Nice bit you should use Tomorrow instead of Yotsuba B for screenshots.

[Anonymous No.9276730]

>>9276727
I'm a retard, how do I do that

[Anonymous No.9276739]

>>9276730
Look at the bottom right of your screen for a box that says style: and change it from Yotsuba B to Tomorrow.
Cute pic by the way.

[Anonymous No.9276741]

>>9276739
different anon but thank you for respecting Mr. Koro.

[Anonymous No.9276778]

>>9276739
done

[Anonymous No.9276812]

>>9276778
>>9276721
No one is ever going to read these shitty screenshots. Post anime or video games pics in future.

[Anonymous No.9276940]

Few things.
a) Emulation is serial processing, which is not even close to how actual hardware runs a game. An FPGA can replicate a given piece of hardware. Infact hardware is prototyped on an FPGA before that is replicated and mass produced.
2) MiSTer devs and suppliers do actually make money in various ways just like everyone else who provides goods and services.
d) As soon as you make money the issue you are immediately disregarded as the broke ass nigga that you are. Stay poor.

[Anonymous No.9276948]

>>9276940
whitoids saying nigga is cringe

[Anonymous No.9276953]

>>9276948
The hard R was implied, nigga.

[Anonymous No.9276956]

>>9276953
shut the fuck up nigger

[Anonymous No.9276957]

>>9276956
Stop being poor, nigga.

[Anonymous No.9277002]

>>9274373
MiSTer is an extreme solution to move to if you already have hardware because you won't gain much other than reducing space. I have a modded PS1 but I never recovered my Genesis and NES so it took no second though to pick one up. Gained NEO GEO and PC Engine in return which adds value to the MiSTer for me personally. If not for consoles, then you better be an arcade or retro PC enthusiasts to consider getting a MiSTer FPGA out of the blue because the cores offered there are astounding. The original Street Fighter 2 will feel very different than what most people are used to on MAME or FBA on FPGA but it's one of those things where you gotta try to believe.

[Anonymous No.9277023]

>>9276948
Nigger.

[Anonymous No.9277450]

>>9276705
Tha's a good ol' load of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9277464]

>>9272451
Come on now, Wii? That little controller that looks like a dildo, I ain't trying to play my games with no DILDO.
Maybe if the game is like
>WarioWare shove it up your own ass game
but IDK if there's any minigames where, you know, shove it up your own ass.

[Anonymous No.9277608]

>>9276940
MiSTer devs make money through patreon and donations just like any other open source dev, not through selling anything

And yes suppliers for add ons do make money but those are also open source and you can easily buy a chinese clone.

[Anonymous No.9277712]

>>9276515
>>9276575
You MiSTer shill never cease to amuse me with the reactions you give to someone who genuinely owns a MiSTer speaks the truth about it & you guys flip because it would hurt your sales if everybody knew it was a scam.

[Anonymous No.9277727]

>>9276940
I'm pretty sure poorfags are more likely to buy a MiSTer than multiple OG hardware consoles, clone consoles(ANALogue included), mini consoles, arcade 1ups, HDMI converters, usb retro controllers, physical copies of games, everdrives & CRT TV's for lightgun games. Sorry the poorfag argument holds no water when it cost more to game on OG hardware. LOL