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This controller is SO close to being perfect. The form factor and button-layout is great, but there are a few things holding it back.
>1. Most buttons being pressure-sensitive; a feature that's hardly ever used by games at all and make the buttons in question feel shitty (mushy) to press.
>2. Weighing as much as a feather, pretty much weightless. It feels like you're holding nothing.

If only these glaring issues were fixed I would have no reason to ever use anything else. Such a shame, really.

Anyway, do you think it's worth it getting rubber pad replacements? I'm not sure if the chink ones are good enough to warrant purchasing them. Maybe the buttons of mine feel terrible to press due to the age of my controllers.

>> No.9203024

I've never liked the D-Pad, it caused me callused when playing fighters. Also the triggers are too tall which caused problems in the transition to the 7th gen (I know, not retro). Analog stick placement was also bad for 3D games, although understandable since they were a patch over the original PSX gamepad design.

>> No.9203032

>>9203024
I really gotta disagree hard with you on the analog stick placement, I think the asymmetrical placement of the Xbox/GC was rather uncomfortable ergonomics wise, but I can relate a bit with your other points.
Sony didn't "patch" the DS1 design enough, imo.

>> No.9203054

>>9203024
The original playstation controller is superior, it has better quality plastic and the dpad and buttons feel much better.

>> No.9203061

>>9203054
The dpad of the DS1 is too stiff, and the control sticks are less precise.
Other than that I'd say it's better in every single way.

>> No.9203089

>>9203000
>2. Weighing as much as a feather, pretty much weightless. It feels like you're holding nothing.

What the hell are you talking about. Dualshock pads weight a ton mainly because of the stupid forced feedback meme that nobody cares about.

Also the analog is shit on PS1/2 pads

If you don't use analog: use the og PS1 pad, no stupid pressure thing, no useless weight from the force feedback, no shitty analog.
Then if you want analog, just use a modern pad, they're better at it.

>> No.9203176

>>9203000
>>1. Most buttons being pressure-sensitive; a feature that's hardly ever used by games at all and make the buttons in question feel shitty (mushy) to press.
>>2. Weighing as much as a feather, pretty much weightless. It feels like you're holding nothing.
Neither of these are true. The PS2 buttons feel no more mushy than any other rubber membrane button, yours have probably just degraded.

As for the weight, they're extremely heavy because of the rumble motors. They're only light in comparison to modern dogshit with bulky batteries in it.

>> No.9203212

>>9203000
If you don't like the pressure sensitive buttons just use a PS1 dual shock. Or a PS3 six-axis or dual shock 3. Don't like the triggers on the six-axis? Don't like the stiffness of the PS1 dual shock? Mod the d-pad and buttons from a six-axis into an old dual shock 1. Never tried it but it should work.

I think the late era PSone translucent dual shock 1's have the softer d-pad and buttons anyway.

>> No.9203230

They only thing that I find annoying is the lack of analog triggers and the subpar d-pad. At least the triggers got sorted out the gen afterwards.

>> No.9203242

>>9203000
>Most buttons being pressure-sensitive; a feature that's hardly ever used by games at all and make the buttons in question feel shitty (mushy) to press.
No. The pressure sensing has nothing to do with that. Sounds like you don't understand the difference between pressure sensitive and analog. Any musshyness is caused by the silicone in your clapped out controller. Or the voices in your head.

>> No.9203245

>>9203000
In terms of part quality the only flaw is the easily replaceable contact film, the actual component quality on ds2s is the best there ever was in a game controller except maybe something like the saturn 3dcp. Sony had a good deal with ALPS and got their best binned sticks, every manufacturer they used had solid quality, and even though the rev1 alps ds2s are the best, the difference between the variations is very minimal. Also they are the most fun controller to repair.

>> No.9203253

The digital only pad is perfect and the analog pad was something of a downgrade.

>> No.9203262
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>>9203024
I disagree.

I use a PS2 pad to play picrel and have put on 500 hours on it. Best pad ever and feels amazing.

>> No.9203285

>>9203000
The pressure sensitive buttons could be done well if they just had a bit of a 'click' at the end of the press.

>> No.9203387

>>9203000
Whats up with the sticks top plastic
Whenever I find one at flea market the sticks are all sticky and like melting away

>> No.9203790

>>9203253
I used a digital controller for the first time like a year ago. I thought it would feel weird without analog sticks but it had the complete opposite effect, knowing how the original PS1 controller feels just makes the analog sticks on a dualshock1/2/3 feel even more tacked on than they already are.

I play all my PS1 games using a digital controller now.

>> No.9203797

>>9203000
Dualshock is absolutely dogshit. unless you've adapted it feels great. but it's bad for any kind of game

>> No.9203798

>>9203387
the stick caps are just rubber or something, they don't last that long against constant abrasion and sweat before they start degrading, and in the right climate they'll literally melt into slop.

good news is you can buy like a 500 pack of OEM quality replacement sticks on aliexpress or something for like 10$ and refurb any dualshock controller you find for nothing. I have a box just sitting in my closet full of them, I don't let the quality of the sticks stop me from buying dualshocks anymore since I can just replace them.

>> No.9203821
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>>9203000
3/10 controller

>> No.9203843

>>9203000
This controller is SO close to being perfect. The form factor and button-layout is great. In particular, there are two things that really set this controller above the rest
>1. Most buttons being pressure-sensitive; a feature that's used by games.
>2. Weighing as much as a feather, pretty much weightless. It feels like you're holding nothing.

>> No.9203853

>>9203061
I'm talking about the original controller not the dual shock

>> No.9203867

>>9203000
the dual shock 2 is cheap shit, theres at least 2 variations, the buttons and stick r different, u will know if you've ever tried to switch them between controllers.

some of the sticks do go gacky idk wtf it is but i have an old alarm clock and an old sony ericsson thats done the same, also the sticks r quite springy, the og DS1 has much smoother moving sticks, more so than the DS3, also the DS1 is heavier it just feels more solid and heavier and not made from cheap jank.

the og psx analogue is bigger and would have been better if it had sticks that didnt spin and were rubber like the 360 pad, and if it had L3/R3 buttons

>> No.9203871

>>9203054
I think the PSOne DualShock is the best controller
The original one is too mushy for my liking

>> No.9203908

like i mentioed here>>9203867

there must be 2 variations of the psx DS1 (not talking PSone) , i had a transparent blue one back in the day so i forget how it felt, but i've got a grey DS1 in my hand and its buttons/analogue/dpad is superior to the DS2.

i dont know why people r shitting on it. the dpad feels precise compared to the spongy DS2, the buttons feel like actual buttons not a rubber lump on a plastic membrane, and the analogues move smoothly with no effort. i use it on ps1/ps2 if supported and on pc for all games Dinput. playing SFII, or any fighters with the analogue it easier to pull of moves than if i were using a DS2 or X360 pad

im starting to think no one here even owns one, and if they do it must be encrused in coom from putting it down their pants

>> No.9203990

>>9203867
>>9203908
Sony outsourced production of playstation controllers to three seperate companies: Alps, Mitsumi, and Hosiden. You can tell by the letter on the back of every controller. (I think Mitsumi might have only been on during the PS1 era)

While there was some core guidelines to follow with the design of the controller, they all made them a little differently and all had their own internal revisions, so there's just a stupid amount of variations when it comes to dualshock controllers. I own three Alps controllers that are all different enough to have incompatible parts, it's annoying.

>> No.9204102

>>9203990
>companies: Alps, Mitsumi, and Hosiden. You can tell by the letter on the back of every controller

dont think ive ever noticed that, my DS1 is M,and the DS2 is H, tho i have changed the internals, ill have to check the blue shell it came from to be sure.

but yeh its annoying. tabs on buttons dont all line up, L2/R2 arent interchangable and the sticks rub on the inside of the controller shell.

the DS2 isnt bad its just not as good as a DS1.

>> No.9204473

>>9203212
PS3 controllers also have pressure sensitive button,they had to,early ps3 could play ps2 games and mgs hd collection plays just like on PS2 thanks to them.

>> No.9204687

>>9203000
The mushy ass dpads are cancer

>> No.9205034

>>9203790
Yeah it's great, love especially playing games from 1995 to 1997 with it and then later games.

>> No.9205065

>>9203000
Are you playing d-pad games? because otherwise how do you put up with having to reach over to the analog stick from where your thumb rests (where the dpad is) and use a weird combination of rotating and extending your thumb joints to move the stick up or down, etc., instead of having rotation be side to side, flexion/extension be up down, like it would be if it was where the dpad is ?

>> No.9205067

>>9203000
>Analog stick placement was also bad for 3D games, although understandable since they were a patch over the original PSX gamepad design.
I heard they still haven't changed it though lmao

>> No.9205194

Symettrical stick placement is superior and more aesthetic.

Dualsense is the goat though besies. Battery life

>> No.9205216

>>9205194
>>9203032
Ergonomic specialists disagree.
The movement to reach the D-Pad with your left thumb in an asym controller is a simple contraction whereas in a sym controller is a stretch.
The latter makes reaching for the d-pad more stressful, despiste being used les frequently in 3d style games.
Reaching for less used buttons should (proportionally) require less force

>> No.9205259

>>9203000
I hate all gamepad with sticks.

>> No.9205306

>>9203000
I actually like the mushy DS2/DS3 buttons. It's more like a non-tactile mechanical keyboard switch to me compared to say a 8bitdo controller. Makes it feel like it'll never get stuck like poor quality 3rd party controllers tend to do.

>> No.9205332
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9205332

not a /vr/ controller but I think the Dualsense is honestly the best controller ever made and fixes all of the issues you have with the PS2 controller. It's weightier than all past playstation controllers and the buttons feel great. The only downside is that a lot of games don't utilize its cool features enough but that doesn't matter with retro games.

>> No.9205335

>>9203990
It's worse than that. Each of the three companies have half a dozen wildly different variations of the controllers.
The early Alps DS2 are a bit crap but the very last Alps DS2 are great. Mitsumi DS2 are all garbage beyond belief but some of their DS1 are ok. There's some decent Hosiden DS2 but they're still clearly inferior to late Alps.
The letter on the back only tells you the manufacturer, there's no way to know which variant from that manufacturer the insides are without opening up the controller.
So when someone tells you the DualShock 1/2 is shit cause it feels mushy or it's not sensitive enough or whatever know that they might not be wrong. Their controller is fundamentally different than yours and they've just never experienced a good DualShock variant.

>> No.9205378

>>9205335
>The early Alps DS2 are a bit crap but the very last Alps DS2 are great. Mitsumi DS2 are all garbage beyond belief but some of their DS1 are ok. There's some decent Hosiden DS2 but they're still clearly inferior to late Alps.
They're all good, the best is the rev1 ALPS Alpine with the thicker cable, sticker on the connector header and resistor on the flex connector on the PCB.

>> No.9205428

>>9203798
I really need to get a soldering kit so I can fix my DS3's loose analog stick. Would give me an excuse to finally learn to how to anyways.