/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9200335]

good or overrated?

[Anonymous No.9200379]

Very good for their era.
To say otherwise means you were not alive during their peak or just dont like their genres. Very few western companies of the era had their quality and consistency and they even beat out a good chunk of jap devs.

[Anonymous No.9200383]

Both

[Anonymous No.9200704]

>>9200335
overrated.

[Anonymous No.9200706]

meh

[Anonymous No.9200714]

Eurojank

[Anonymous No.9200743]

Zero classic games
Over rated as fuck

Their defining title, donkey Kong country was all smoke and mirrors

Goldeneye was a truly bad game in an era when 5fps multiplayer was the norm

Let's be honest here, the best thing about Goldeneye is that the guys who made it, actually made a good game (timesplitters)

[Anonymous No.9200973]

Donkey Kong Country 3 isn't canon

[Anonymous No.9200983]

Both. Incredibly limited by their partnership with nintendo though

[Anonymous No.9201004]

>>9200335
Overrated and the greedy retards ironically overrared and overpriced themselves to Nintendo and got buttfucked by Microsoft but no Nintendo is the bad guy of the story for not falling for their scam

[Anonymous No.9201026]

>>9200743

[Anonymous No.9201046]

They're great, but microsoft stopped funding their projects. Banjo blueprint system is awesome and their last game viva pinata was a great sporelike game. They were always ahead of their time, some games could be rough, but they were one of the best European developers at that time.

[Anonymous No.9201065]

overrated. the donkey kong country's were great.... because big daddy nintendo helped em. but by n64 they were meh again

[Anonymous No.9201075]

>>9201065
The Br*tish can't make good characters holy shit

[Anonymous No.9201086]

>>9200379
After dkc they started to decline with Goldeneye being the last decent game they released.

[Anonymous No.9201320]

>>9201004
Yes, they are. If they were a jap company, no way in fuck would they have backstabbed Rare like that and sold em off to a foreign competitor.

[Anonymous No.9201323]

The two british brothers in charge were autistic about work ethic and completely dedicated their lives to Rare. Supposedly only taking one day off the year from work. The timeless quality of their games definitely reflects that.

[Anonymous No.9201370]

>>9201086
dumb contrarian

[Anonymous No.9201406]

>>9201370
Battletoads and DKC were their best games. Nothing controversial about that opinion young zoomer.

[Anonymous No.9201413]

>>9200335
All their games pre-MS are good, even DK64 despite being their worst game of that period. Not sure why there are so many haters here.

[Anonymous No.9201416]

>>9200335
The range and quality of their titles kept the n64 afloat.

The rare logo meant something when you loaded up a game and the amount of genres they covered is insane.

Killer instinct -> blast corps-> goldeneye-> diddy kong racing-> banjo kazooie-> jet force gemini->dk64-> perfect dark->mickeys racing-> banjo tooie


My favorites are blast corps, banjo kazooie, goldeneye, and jet force gemini.

[Anonymous No.9201746]

They made a few great games like
Battletoads Arcade
Donkey Kong Country
Diddy's Kong Quest
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Tooie

some okay games like
Grabbed by the Ghoulies
Viva Pinata
Nuts and Bolts
Sea of Thieves


Everything else they put out is shovelware though

[Anonymous No.9201752]

>>9201406
im in my 30s. not everyone is your personal boogeyman

[Anonymous No.9201797]

>>9201752
>I'm a real grown adult
>I swear it
Let me guess, n64 your first console too? You're 100% a zoomer born in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.9202192]

>>9200335
great compared to the usual games that come out of england but fuck me, call me retarded if you want but their games are fucking hard, or at least the ones i played which are dkc1 and banjo kazooie
i can do most castlevania stages with only a couple deaths so it's not just that i suck, but it's also somethin about the way their games are designed
mostly dkc1 admittedly, banjo kazooie wouldn't be that bad if you could keep all your shit upon death

[Anonymous No.9203497]

Never owned an N64 nor do I ever lay goldeneye very often but there is no denying how mind blowing it was at the time. For about a year consoles had a full 3D shooter complete with reflective surfaces and advanced limb hit detection which wouldn’t be seen again for at least two years. Quake II was only better if you had a $3000 computer. Most people have payed it on software rendering and it didn’t look nearly as good. It is true that games like Blood, Duke and Quake 2 are overall better games that are much more fun to play today but that’s just the nature of PC gaming vs console gaming. Goldeneye was mind blowing on a 200 dollar console

[Anonymous No.9203534]

What is it about Rare that attracts so much continued seething about shit that happened over 20 years ago?

[Anonymous No.9203982]

Quality games. Should have stayed with Nintendo.
DK64 could have used a few tweaks.

[Anonymous No.9204040]

>>9203534
Probably ps1 or genesis owners.

[Anonymous No.9204047]

>>9203534
Contrarianism and the dopamine hit for (you)s is a hell a drug.

[Anonymous No.9204114]

>>9203534
everyone wants to fantasy book what would have happened if anything else happened in 2002

the rare red pill is that they were fucked after the Stampers left anyways, because MS killed the crunch culture at rare and didn't know what to do with them

[Anonymous No.9204324]

>>9200335
Top tier. Anyone saying anything different is lying to themselves.

[Anonymous No.9204332]

>>9204114
Microsoft are so stupid and greedy, that instead of making their own minecraft ''clone'', they buy minecraft. Now they are being taken to court for being stupid and greedy. Nuts and bolts did minecraft first and better

[Anonymous No.9204342]

>>9204332
>Nuts and bolts did minecraft first and better
Yeah that's why it went on to sell hundreds of millions of copies and became one of the most beloved gam-oh wait no it didn't it tried to be something it never was and did it badly

[Anonymous No.9204346]

>>9204342
You know most minecraft clones have sold thousands of copies, right? Minecraft is like catnip for kids, it's the best buildbox ever. If they had used nuts and bolts, they would have their own ip and not be sued by anti-competitive practices

[Anonymous No.9204354]

>>9204346
>If they had used nuts and bolts
Why would they use a game even non-BK fans liked?

[Anonymous No.9204369]

>>9204354
Because it's their IP. At that time they only owned Rare and Halo, if they had used Nuts and Bolts, they would have a game that would compete with minecraft and banjo was already somewhat recognized, parents would be interested in buying it and children would buy it because it's minecraft and they buy it any minecraftlike games

[Anonymous No.9204380]

>>9204369
>if they had used Nuts and Bolts, they would have a game that would compete with minecraft and banjo was already somewhat recognized
Yes and the people who recognized him hated this because it wasn't the game they were waiting for
>because it's minecraft and they buy it any minecraftlike games
Minecraft and N&B couldn't be any different, in you N&B could only make vehicles and even that part was wonky, Minecraft on the other hand it was more of a survival/adventure game you could even terraform the entire map if you were that autistic, and even if that wasn't your thing, the creative mode let you fuck around or make art with it

[Anonymous No.9204450]

>>9204324
Banjo was born a Nintendo ip and should have stayed one, even if rare wasnt making them. Would be like them selling off kirby or animal crossing. Only reason it happened was because they weren't a Japanese company.

[Anonymous No.9205007]

>>9200335
Overrated as a whole.
Their good games are really good, but they made a lot of "okay" and even "bad" games. Even in their prime on the n64, they had a few duds.

[Anonymous No.9206820]

Underrated

[Anonymous No.9206826]

>>9200743
timesplitters is like the generic brand goldeneye and perfect dark

[Anonymous No.9206878]

>>9204450
Banjo isn't even a top 5 rare game.

[Anonymous No.9206893]

>>9204114
I mean this timeline is not even that bad

[Anonymous No.9207065]

>>9206878
Says you. Banjo was big enough to be included in Nintendo 64 marketing of the time along side Mario and Pikachu. Even other big releases like Fzero X and Starfox 64 didn't have their characters popping up in official ads as much as Banjo did. It was the 64 eras DKC and was marketed heavily. Hate it if you want, but doesn't change the fact it was regarded as being a major new Nintendo ip for the time.

[Anonymous No.9207073]

>>9206878
>Killer Instinct
>Donkey Kong Country
>Perfect Dark
>Jet Force Gemini
>Battletoads
Yeah, that checks out.

[Anonymous No.9207571]

>>9201797
Imagine being this bad at mathematics.

[Anonymous No.9207574]

>>9200743
>zero classic games
Like it or not, but Battletoads frequently sits in NES top ten lists, , which is insane considering the garbage western devs were putting out.

[Anonymous No.9207578]

Why the hate?
Snek Rattle n Roll was great and i loved DKC

[Anonymous No.9207660]

>>9207073
Battletoads, dkc 1, 2 and 3 and maybe ge or rc pro am. Top 5.
>>9207571
If your birthdate is in the 90s that's automatic zoom.

[Anonymous No.9207671]

>>9207578
Because this board is filled with le epic contrarians so when a
>'Is X overrated?
is made they'll flock to it like flies to a piece of shit to spout opinions about games they didn't even finish 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.9207673]

One of the best to ever exist

[Anonymous No.9207693]

>>9200335
only nintendo era of rare was good

[Anonymous No.9207730]

>>9200335
classic britshart studio of bedroom coders

[Anonymous No.9207854]

>>9200335
Western games used to be better than Eastern games.

[Anonymous No.9207858]

>>9201075
>The Br*tish can't make good characters holy shit
Say HE's name.

[Anonymous No.9207860]

>>9207660
Mathematics doesn’t appear to be your strong point so let me help you out by sharing this useful chart. Read it or continue to seethe, let me know if you need help.

[Anonymous No.9207975]

>>9207858
HE

[Anonymous No.9208256]

>>9207975
HAS

[Anonymous No.9208305]

>>9207860
gee, how come they let boomers have TWO generations?

[Anonymous No.9208323]

>>9208305
Because the "Boomers II" generation also had a lot of kids. You underestimate just how fucking many millennials there are, myself included.
This is a really small town, but even so the classrooms throughout all grades were fucking packed, with 2nd classrooms being needed for each grade, sometimes a 3rd. It's certainly not like that today.

[Anonymous No.9208356]

>>9208256
KANGZ

[Anonymous No.9210157]

>>9200335
dkc was a technical marvel.
ge was a technical marvel (motion captured animation that looks better than much of what came later)
that's the end of the list

[Anonymous No.9210164]

>>9207671
sums up neo-/vr/ pretty damn well.
basically /v/ but slower and even dumber, somehow.

[Anonymous No.9210265]

Banjo and kazooie filtered so many millennials.

[Anonymous No.9210427]

>>9201086
Perfect Dark was even better. If you don't agree to that you're either an insufferable edgy faggot or you haven't played GoldenEye since the time it was fresh

[Anonymous No.9210487]

>>9201797
There’s a large minority contingent of us millennials for whom n64 was indeed the first console. In my case, my parents never let us play anything except Mac games for a limited time until I was 10.

>>9203497
Besides the thq wrestling games, Goldeneye was probably the first big “party” game I remember bc it was very easy to pick up, play, and required no setup, unlike most tcp/ip games back then. That alone makes it legendary.

[Anonymous No.9210496]

>>9210487
well the SNES had a lot of party games and the N64 had already Mario Kart, but it was the first shooter that was easy to pick up and play with friends

[Anonymous No.9210743]

>>9210496
Good point, I meant parties where it was all or mostly guys hanging out—Mario kart was not the popular game there

[Anonymous No.9211218]

>>9210496
>SNES had a lot of party games
What games? Got a party next month.

[Anonymous No.9211232]

>>9207860
>I'm not a zoomer I SWEAR
>Here look at this graph that proves why owning N64 as your first console and constantly talking about OoT is based

[Anonymous No.9211237]

>>9210427
I bought PD on launch and couldn't even be bothered to finish it it was that shit compared to Dreamcast shooters. Ge may be jank by today's stands but not on its launch.

[Anonymous No.9211247]

>>9200335
British nonsense, and i'm saying that as an aussie that grew up with a C64.
The only game of theirs that still holds up is Solar Jetman. Their N64 output is atrocious.

[Anonymous No.9211269]

>>9211247
Wtf were you playing in the 90s if their n64 games you consider on the level of "atrocious"?

[Anonymous No.9211361]

>>9211218

[Anonymous No.9211362]

>>9211361
kek

[Anonymous No.9211363]

>>9211362
Normies never will get it.

[Anonymous No.9211364]

>>9207860
kek got his ass

[Anonymous No.9211370]

>>9200973
How so?

[Anonymous No.9211372]

>>9211232
You chose to continue to seethe. Ok, got it.

[Anonymous No.9211387]

>>9210427
pd is a stinking piece of shit, people who think it is better are sports fans or something,
>but it's goldeneye with more, how can that be bad?
more bloat more gimmicks more slow more cringe. more voice 'acting' and more cutscenes and more loading times and more bad ideas for levels.
more levels? no!
more in a level? no (look at that pathetic chicago street level)
more fun shooting? shit no in fact we'll take away gun hit sounds and make the gun firing sounds into gay butt squeaks

goldeneye was in some ways accidentally good, and you never get a good follow up to that by applying the same process. pd never had a chance

[Anonymous No.9211394]

>>9211387
>PD never had a chance
But it had an expansion pak and +3 years more experience with the system. Surely they could have made a good game.

[Anonymous No.9211395]

Things can be good AND overrated.

Donkey Kong country is both, that said, I've been playing DKC2 for 25 years and I still have a blast with it to this day.

Being overrated isn't the game's fault, it's always the fault of the media hype.

[Anonymous No.9211410]

>>9200335

graphically they made incredibly impressive games in their time. i was a kid when DKC came out and I was blown away by it. of course looking at it now its aesthetically repugnant compared to the 2D sprite based platformers of the day. and mechanically the platforms are inconsistent and visually ambiguous which is inexcusable in a platforming game. to anyone that claims any of the DKC games are 10/10 i'd say that would make SMW a 30/10 game. DKC doesn't hold up well by today's standards and even at the time music and visuals were all it had going for it.

KI probably their best ever game/IP and if a known jap company had made it, it would be a top 3 fighting game in terms of prestige and popularity.

goldeneye is a similar story to to DKC. incredibly impressive in its day and fun as fuck with friends, particularly if you didnt have a PC that could run quake. but looking back now while the graphics themselves hold up compared to other games of the era, the FPS issues and bizarre control schemes are inexcusable.

[Anonymous No.9211451]

>>9200335
i feel like a chad when I come to threads like these

[Anonymous No.9211457]

>>9211394
You didn't seem to engage with the reason I said they never had a chance: because Goldeneye was holding up a bottle and happening to catch lightning (artists designing levels with no consideration for gameplay, etc). It's not going to happen again even with an expansion pack. You also need to understand that the competent programmer/designer who made very high quality systems for goldeneye, left. A bunch of average people got his code to bolt their bloaty features onto

[Anonymous No.9211656]

>>9211457
perfect dark is better

[Anonymous No.9211698]

>>9211656
Watch, I can do that too man:
>poop tastes good
What's the point of us doing this though?

[Anonymous No.9211705]

>>9211698
yead man you already did when you said goldeneye was better

[Anonymous No.9211761]

>>9211705
no, I gave a long explanation as to the specific reasons, in my original post

[Anonymous No.9211812]

>>9200335
Unstoppable in their prime. They completely shaped the identity of the N64 throughout it’s life and by the end mastered the hardware at wizard levels (Conker’s Bad Fur Day is the most impressive game on the system and maybe even the entire generation. Fully voiced and animated in-engine cutscenes that held their own even into 6th gen with large sprawling levels and variety. It nearly seems impossible for the N64 to pull off and yet it does, all in 64 megabytes. That’s talent and risk taking. Without them, Nintendo would have been in a far worse place.
They also rewrote the rules for multiplayer. No developer before or since has surpassed their mastery of splitscreen.
The only game I didn’t like from them was jet force gemini and banjo never appealed to me but that’s personal taste. Their “worst” game that gen was probably Mickey’s Speedway.
If you had an N64 in it’s prime, you would know they weren’t overrated and anyone who says they are, are being contrarian.
>>9201797
First half of 90’s births are considered millennials. ‘94 is the zoomer cutoff. N64 is millennial identity, Zoomers would have been just born when it released and their memories of it would be the echo it left.

[Anonymous No.9211912]

>>9201746
What's supposedly wrong with DKC3?

[Anonymous No.9211916]

>>9211912
not much. Kiddy Kong is shit and most of the enemy redesigns are shit. Soundtracks took a hit too. But it's a good game, no third installment in a series is the best one, DKC3 shouldn't be crucified for not being as good as the previous game either.

[Anonymous No.9211923]

Iron Sword and Wizards and Warriors were their best games. Every other answer is wrong.

[Anonymous No.9211925]

>>9211916
Agree with you there.

[Anonymous No.9211964]

>>9211916
True.
However, Super Mario Bros. 3, Metal Gear Solid 3 and Super Metroid are, in my opinion, the best of their respective series, my good sir.
Also I like Kiddy Kong lol

[Anonymous No.9211970]

>>9211964
I agree on Super Metroid. I prefer MGS2 but I love 3 as well, and SMB3 while a harder game, the stages are too short compared to SMW. I do prefer SMB3 sprites as well though.

[Anonymous No.9212109]

>>9211916
>>9211964
>>9211970
Castlevania 3, Megaman 3, Zelda Lttp, Contra 3, Sonic 3, Star fox 64, kirby dreamland 2 (maybe). I think the third game in a series can indeed be the best one.

[Anonymous No.9212137]

>>9211761
>here are the reasons poop tastes good, an essay by anon
you're still eatin' poo, anon

[Anonymous No.9212170]

>>9212137
no I said, I don't enjoy perfect dark. I don't even play it emulated with fixed frame rate because it still isn't fun in single player. Multi with bots is Ok. Multi with people is just awful compared to GE. Those fucking maps suck. You can try to force everything to be like GE, play on complex. But then you're just playing GE with 8-12 full seconds of black screen to start, end, restart any fucking match

[Anonymous No.9212216]

>>9201416
I kind of agree with this post. What you listed is a mixed bag to me. Some I like some I dont. But I love rare for the DKC series. I play all 3 with some regularity.

They all hold up to the test of time so I can forgive shit like dk64 which is just a slog of a collectathon. I like collectable 3D platformers like spyro, crash, or SM64, but DK64 is awful. never played conkers or banjo but I feel they would be the same to me.

[Anonymous No.9212338]

Dkc2 might be the greatest game ever made, so yeah they are food

[Anonymous No.9212498]

>>9207660
>If your birthdate is in the 90s that's automatic zoom.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.9212517]

>>9212216
The only thing you collect in Conker is cash. It’s hard to miss and you only need it to get to the Uga-Buga chapter after which it becomes completely useless. Conker is nothing like Banjo or DK64, it’s the antithesis to the rare platformer and you are missing out on one of the best games ever made thinking it’s another Banjo.

[Anonymous No.9212519]

>>9200335
underrated. best company ever saying otherwise is cope. in fact i'm gonna go play banjo-tooie right now, i'm at witchyworld

https://youtu.be/6MpWl4MfZGY

[Anonymous No.9212532]

>>9200335
They were mediocre at best with Nintendo holding their hand. Without Nintendo's guidance, they were abysmal.

[Anonymous No.9212545]

>>9212519
for example, i was looking for the glowbo near the wigwam in witchyworld, and it's actually inside so you have to think to go in without it. then if you go to mumbo you think ahh it's probs not inside again it's world 3, but you have a lookie anyway and there's an extra honeycomb inside. i love little things like this, and rare games are full of them

[Anonymous No.9212686]

>>9212170
yeah i know you said you liked eating poop (goldeneye)

[Anonymous No.9213454]

>>9212498
Zoom cope.

[Anonymous No.9214027]

>>9213454
boomer lead poisoned retard brain

[Anonymous No.9214028]

>>9200335
gooverrated.

[Anonymous No.9214032]

>>9204114
I want to grab the person who made this and force them to take their lithium.

[Anonymous No.9214035]

>>9211395
Why is your screen angry?

[Anonymous No.9214274]

>>9201075
Excuse you, man-ape.

[Anonymous No.9214290]

threads like this go to show you just how retarded the average human is. imagine having the skill to make games like DKC or Banjo, imagine all the effort that went into coding those games, creating those graphics, and marketing them to people so effectively, and then some fat virgin retard who never produced anything except a weak jizz wad says, "well, ackshually, you're stuff is shit." the kind of people who can't respect the best of Rare's work are the same kind of people who tell you that old Blizzard was "ackshually" shit, the same kind of people who tell you old id Software games are "ackshually" shit. Rare made some fucking awesome games, and even if they aren't your particular cup of tea, you should be able to appreciate the intelligence and finesse that went into making them. you faggots have no clue how hard it is to ship even a bottom-shelf product, let alone something that can remain relevant for decades. Rare was a very good company and you would have been really fucking lucky to get a SNES or N64 with the best Rare games as a kid.

[Anonymous No.9214351]

>>9211916
I honestly think that DKC3 was the best of the bunch. Sure it's not as consistent as 1 and 2 since it went for some bizarre gimmicks, but when it comes to the base level design, DKC3 is the peak of the original trilogy. Kiddy Kong might look like shit, but at least as a playable character he complements Dixie's play-style unlike Diddy in DKC2 which felt like a spare character.
I also don't get the hate for the soundtrack. It captures the aesthetic of that setting perfectly, and I honestly much prefer I to to the one made by David Wise for the GBA edition.

[Anonymous No.9214372]

>>9214351
>I honestly think that DKC3 was the best of the bunch.
That's a crackers thing to say. It's the one I grew up with, the first one I had, and I know this. DKC2 is objectively the best in the series and a strong contender for the greatest 2D platformer ever made. 3 definitely has 1 beat, though. 1 coasts entirely on its music, atmosphere, and visuals.
>I also don't get the hate for the soundtrack. It captures the aesthetic of that setting perfectly, and I honestly much prefer I to to the one made by David Wise for the GBA edition.
Now this is absolutely right. The forest music alone is something that always comes to me when I'm looking out past the treeline or reading stories about Bigfoot and other innawoods shit. The only track David Wise made a better replacement for is Stilt Village.

[Anonymous No.9214479]

>>9211218
Can't go wrong with Super Bomberman 2's versus mode.

[Anonymous No.9215003]

I like the one with the funny squirrel

[Anonymous No.9215436]

>>9201075
Donkey Kong characters are better than any Nintendo have invented
>>9201065
Nintendo also didnt do shit for the DKC development

[Anonymous No.9216871]

>>9215003
Possibly the best multiplayer mode ever conceived.

[Anonymous No.9218657]

>>9207858
Willy Wonka?

[Anonymous No.9218729]

>>9201065
>>9215436
Donkey Kong as a franchise is pretty much 99% all thanks to Rare. They basically made it a series as we know it, with its own look, style, how they generally will play. DK arcade was the initial inspiration and thats it. Jr and DK gameboy are really the only true sequels to the original Nintendo ever tried themselves, but even those never really took off. DK really is pretty much an entirely Rare ip, but one Nintendo kept because of its origins and popularity. DK as the world currency knows him and has been used since 94 is the longest icon of Rares legacy in the industry and their partnership with Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.9220169]

>>9200335
A rare question these days.