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Let's discuss the greatest putah of all time, commodore 64

>> No.9193207

>>9193198
It would be fun to replicate the C64 soundchip with real bees so then using it produces honey

>> No.9193351

>>9193198
it was released in August 1982 so is exactly 40 years old this month! surely a case for a sticky here?

>> No.9193363

anyone ever been to the Back In Time C64 music concerts in Norway? I havent but may go to the upcoming one in October. Chris Huelsbeck and Fastloaders are playing
https://eqtix.no/bitlive

>> No.9193456

>>9193198
Not right now, I’m going to bed.

>> No.9193467
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>>9193198
New C64 game just launched. https://monteboyd.itch.io/knights-and-slimes

There's new games coming out for it all the time.

>> No.9193469

>>9193456
>when the Australians go to bed
best time to be on /vr/

>> No.9193474

>>9193467
The C64 is arguably the only retro platform that’s still alive in 2022. Dozens of new high quality games and utilities come out for the thing every month, not just garbage shovelware like a lot of other home brew scenes.

>> No.9193498

>>9193474
There was another one just recently, looks great, this one is free: https://psytronik.itch.io/lykia

>> No.9193783

>>9193474
The Spectrum and Atari have decent scenes too, not just garbage — but the C64 definitely has a way higher ratio of good stuff.

>> No.9193808

>I'll just combine Pink Floyd with Philip Glass and improve on them both
https://youtu.be/jOpIbm_XX-k

>> No.9193819

>>9193198
I always found the colour pallete to be ugly,the spectrum had bright vivid colours at least,why are the colours so muddy?

>> No.9193846

>>9193819
in skilled hands the C64 can look good
https://youtu.be/pXfq5PDt2aE
https://youtu.be/arQnQjk_Xus

>> No.9193848

>>9193469
This site would benefit from a range ban on Oceania

>> No.9193874

Creatures 2 is amazing. luv it, simple as.
https://youtu.be/6bIpXvt0wxo

>> No.9194151

>>9193819
Agreed, the C64s weird ass brown and yellow pastels always seem off-putting to me. The Spectrum is basically the total opposite, while the Atari machines fall somewhere in between.

>> No.9194319

>>9194151
Like the tms9918 pastel colors, you get used to it.

>> No.9194321
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>>9193819
If you wanted more bright vivid colors you could just turn the color up on your monitor/TV. Of course if you only had one TV which you also used for watching movies, then you probably wanted those settings set to what made the TV-shows and movies look good.

>> No.9194339

>>9193474
Speccy is just as alive and kicking. Spanish and eastern european speccy homebrew scene keeps producing good stuff.

>> No.9194348

>>9193819
It's a really smooth colour gradient. Metallic rather than muddy. Works great for shmup games.

>> No.9194434
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>this is what american households used to look like

>> No.9194502

>>9194434
we need to go back

>> No.9194728

>Commy thread
>no Martin Galway
what the shit, lets fix that
https://youtu.be/JXCvmJ-cdLA

>> No.9194914

>>9194339
...lol

>> No.9194946

>>9194434
great pic. I don't know why people nowadays talk about the C64 like it was just a subpar games machine, it was a home computer.

>> No.9194961

>>9194946
Being advertised one way doesn't mean it was really used like that. I'm sure some homes did their taxes on a C64, but it even Commodore knew it was primarily a games machine.

>> No.9194972

>>9194946
The best selling home computer. It reached that point in 1983. The very year the video game crash happened in America and Famicom was released in Japan:
"The Guinness Book of World Records says the C64 is the best selling single computer model of all time with sales of about 30 million units between 1982 and 1993. "

>> No.9194994

>>9194961
>Being advertised one way doesn't mean it was really used like that
Is that why I have dozens of cassettes filled with random people's homemade BASIC utilities?

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>> No.9195204

>>9194994
>random people's homemade BASIC utilities
That's what my parents did. They never owned any productivity software, they just made small BASIC programs themselves. And they never had any general interest in programming besides C64 BASIC.

>> No.9195208

>>9195204
I used to write programs to help me do my math homework.

>> No.9195310

>>9193198
I grew up with one and loved it. But replaying the games as an adult, a lot of them are atrocious. If any games need remaking, it's C64 games - a few redesigns, a lot of balancing and some proper controls and a lot of them could be really good.
>>9194946
>subpar
One thing i'll say is Ghosts n Goblins on C64 mogs the god-awful NES version.

>> No.9197096

>>9195310
>But replaying the games as an adult, a lot of them are atrocious. If
some games didn't age well at all

>> No.9199117
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>>9194961
>primarily a games machine.
a C64 with an inexpensive modem the gateway to the world of BBSes and warez.
Everyone I knew used it primarily for that.

>> No.9199363

Where there any copycat machines that ran C64 basic, but were a physically different product?

I have a childhood memory--and of course memory is fallible, who knows how accurate it is anymore--but I remember buying a machine from a garage sale way, way back in the day. It was definitely the classic blue Commodore BASIC screen. It came with the manual, I remember learning how to PEEK and POKE to change screen colors or the character set or put pixels on the screen. But the physical device wasn't the classic C64. It was smaller and had squishy chicklet keycaps, like a ZX Spectrum. Was there any such machine? Or have my wires just gotten crossed?

>> No.9199532

>>9195208
Nice, BASIC was very comfy.

>>9199363
Maybe it was an Atari 400 or a VTech Laser 200? I think those had blue backgrounds though they ran Microsoft BASIC.

>> No.9199628

>>9194946
Better than the NEZzzz. Raid on the Bungeling Bay, Infiltrator, Castle Wolfenstein, Turrican trilogy, Hard n Heavy, Starflight, Heart of Africa, the list goes on.

>> No.9199680

>>9193198
>collects dolls
next

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>>9199680

>> No.9199863

>>9199117
And what software was downloaded from those BBSs I wonder?
>>9199363
Sounds like you got your wires crossed, could very well be an Atari 400. The Atari didn't run Microsoft BASIC out of the box, but they came with the Atari BASIC cartridge.

>> No.9199867 [DELETED] 

>>9199680
Lmao cope some more you tubby little circumcised mutt.

>> No.9200096

>>9199863
People just downloaded BBS and terminal emulator wharez. The 64 totally wasn't a gaming toy. It can't even do scrolling.

>> No.9200117

>>9193198
>Let's discuss the greatest putah of all time
Ok, why don't you tells us about your mom, OP?

>> No.9201556

>>9199863
>what software was downloaded from those BBSs
Damn near anything to game the UL/DL ratio on other boards. With elite files it's always first/fastest but most people ended up with boxes of flippys that they never touched again.

>> No.9201872 [DELETED] 

>>9199680
did you get lost on the way to reddit?

>> No.9203453

>>9193207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRragvvrZcg

>> No.9203474

>>9193474
Is it worth buying a Commodore 64 for them?

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9203479

>>9200117
Upvoted, good sir!

>> No.9204420

>>9193198
it's a shame the breadbins weren't very reliable and have poor thermal design which leads to component failures although SwinSID now exists and some guy is working on an FPGA VIC-II. the C64C is much more solid but also not as aesthetic and it's harder to find in NTSC form.

>> No.9204425

>>9200117
bien memeado, hermano

>> No.9204734

>>9194914
https://www.indieretronews.com/search/label/Zx Spectrum
Spastic.

>> No.9204741

>>9193198
Let's discuss the greatest puta of all time, your mom

>> No.9204840

That reminds me that they had a special Commodore 64 event at the retro area of this year's Lanparty. Was 2022 an anniversary or something?

>> No.9204890

>>9199720
my bst gets complimented every thread
guess what zero toys dolls etc

please stop posting
>#funkpopslol

>> No.9205778

>>9204420
won't be long before we have modern replacements for every component in there

>> No.9207043

>>9204420
I don't think they had so good design tools back then for determining this. You would fab the PCB and chips and hope they did what you wanted them to. Modern electronics design is vastly more sophisticated and you can use simulations and other tools to gauge things like thermal output.

>> No.9207097

>>9194946
the graphics chip in it was literally designed for arcade machines

>> No.9207695

>>9194434
>do you know where your daughter is?
>we dooooooo

>> No.9208465

>>9204420
Ahem. Ship of Theseus.

>> No.9208494

>>9208465
is it? I mean the Duesenberg community is full of rich boomers who pay $40,000 for people to hand-craft replacement parts for their cars, so...

>> No.9208508

>>9199628
lol

>> No.9208689

>>9193469
>>9193848
Cunts.

>> No.9208704

>>9204420
SIDs mostly get fried from people doing stupid stuff that zaps them from ESD. VIC-IIs are more likely to die from overheating as they're easily the hottest chip in there. The breadbin case also didn't have excellent ventilation--the C64C was a lot better so it doesn't get as hot in there.

>> No.9208723

>>9208704
I once fried a VIC-2 by plugging in the composite lead with the machine on.

>> No.9208730

>>9208723
um, yeah. don't do that either. the only thing on C64 that is safe to hot plug are the joysticks.

>> No.9208734

>>9208730
Why?

>> No.9208768

>>9208730
Used to be the norm. I knew when I was a kid that you were told not to hot plug anything on a PC, when USB arrived it was a huge improvement to not have to turn everything off to plug in a mouse.

>> No.9208957

>>9208734
there's current running through the ports, dum dum. the joysticks are safe as long as the stick is in the neutral position and the button isn't pressed.

>> No.9209012

>>9208957
That’s never happened to me with any other console.

>> No.9209070

>>9209012
it was said in the C64 user's manuals and has been corroborated on Lemon64 many times. you can go on there and ask them. you cannot hot plug anything but the joysticks or you will fry something. i remember it clearly when I was a kid.

>do not insert or remove cartridges with the computer powered on

>> No.9209091

>>9209070
>do not insert or remove cartridges with the computer powered on
yeah but everything says that. I didn’t know that this time the warning was actually legitimate.

>> No.9209102

>>9208723
that happens because RCA plugs have an inherently shitty design where the contact goes in before it's grounded. It's why if you hot plug a speaker it will make feedback noise.

>> No.9209407

>>9193198
>NTSC C64
that will get you insulted on Lemon64

>> No.9209817

>>9203453
thank you

>> No.9209854

>>9209407
Is that like lemonparty?

>> No.9210090

>>9209407
PAL elitism is the funniest thing
>>9209854
lmao

>> No.9210256

>>9210090
Also for coomlectors Europeans are better off because there's more PAL C64s around so more spare parts and they're also newer (more late 80s-early 90s machines) while the bulk of NTSC ones were made in 1986 and earlier and have older less reliable components.

>> No.9210340

>>9210256
Oh certainly, the more the merrier —I just never understood the scoffing at NTSC machines.

>> No.9210348

>>9210256
>there's more PAL C64s around so more spare parts and
Realistically this only matters for the VIC-II. And the later breadbins were more stable than the flaky early revision ones from 82-84.

>> No.9210351

>>9210340
you can't do demo stuff or a lot of graphics effects on NTSC due to the shorter blank

>> No.9210593

>>9209102
>>9209070
I’m a retard, I know, but I still don’t understand why plugging in a composite lead with the power on would damage anything.

>> No.9210601
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>>9210593
The lead on the cables goes in before the grounding part (the metal ring). It's a not very good design from the 1950s that got memed into an industry standard.

>> No.9210605

>>9210601
What an awful design.
Were all electronics that used these similarly susceptible or did they find a way to work around it?

>> No.9210612
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On a USB plug the grounding collar goes in first. The two outer leads are GND and +5V with the two shorter inner ones being the signal lines. This ensures the plug is grounded before the signal lines make contact, so it can be hot plugged.

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https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/macintosh-se-broken-rom-low-chip.60566/#post-1272534

>Mac SE with a blown OS ROM
I found a picture of an SE motherboard and it looks like Korean-made ROM chips (but I don't recognize the logo on them). Not shocked; Korean products were a meme back in the 80s, but they were cheap and it saved Apple like $2 on costs. At least it's just a ROM and not a custom chip or anything.

>> No.9211157

>>9210605
Just Commodore and other stuff that was built super cheap. The more robust 8 bit machines (Apple, Atari, Commodore's own PET) are much harder to break.
>>9211058
Weird, I didn't know there were any SEs that didn't have cancerous leaky can capacitors.

>> No.9211167

>>9211157
I wouldn't say Apple were always top of the line. They've made quite a bit of hardware over the years where the penny-pinching was noticeable and if they could use low-grade Korean or Chinese parts to save some money they would.

>> No.9211179

>>9211167
In this case I'm specifically referring to their 8 bit machine(s), and the Apple II, even when heavily cost reduced was still very, very reliable. Macs after the Plus were another story, but the 128k, 512k, and Plus are tanks.

>> No.9211384

>>9211058
geez 80s chips were fucking huge

>> No.9211396

>>9211384
They're NMOS/HMOS chips. CMOS allowed smaller die sizes and lower operating temperatures.

>> No.9212630

>>9211058
this is C64 thread not thread for homo fruitcult

>> No.9212805

>>9212630
Clearly there's not nearly enough C64 love to sustain a thread if every C64 thread turns into a general retro computing thread. At least the Apple scene isn't entirely furries, which can't be said of Commodore's fans.

>> No.9212830

>>9211396
CMOS and NMOS both came out in the mid-70s though.

>> No.9212853

>>9212830
NMOS was cheaper and easier to make pre-90s. It does get warm though while CMOS basically doesn't generate any heat until you get over 500k transistors.