SHE'S STILL WATCHING

[Anonymous No.9192829]

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>9187685

DOOM/II/ULTIMATE/FINAL/64/CHEX/QUAKE/DUKE/HERETIC/HEXEN/ETC
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/PASTEBIN
http://pastebin.com/hzDnLpct

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Thief, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0

IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake Trilogy (2020-11): https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Doom, Quake, Douk, Blood, and more):
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA
More /vr/ shooters:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac
Doom Shovelware:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzR
Fileplanet archives:
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ftp.planetquake.com/
Doom RPG series:
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4
Doom 3 Resurrection of Evil:
https://mega.nz/file/BzxyGBBZ#cHtxsid-0wpeFltrPAYCStiwYCXshndXUCfOEXSP7gs
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
http://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

TUTORIALS/UTILITIES
https://pastebin.com/7vKYWYp0

RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==

THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22doom%20thread%22/type/op/

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE DATABASE
http://vrdoom.booru.org/?page=post&s=list

OUR WADS
https://rentry.org/8ca3061522e0

[Anonymous No.9192830]

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
94 PROTONS OF /vr/
Deadline extended, see picture
https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/512linesvr

=== NEWS ===

[8-18] Threewave Capture the Flag and Rubicon 2 added to Quake remaster
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2310/announcements/detail/3337750462906016220
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1560297992841732096

[8-18] Various id games on PC Game Pass
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1560305065683865600

[8-18] Trailer for Chasm: The Rift, confirmed to be on GOG and Steam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPqHQpiq1A

[8-18] Revolution added to DOOM 2, also interview.
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/6BZ4kXCNDikWq0C4gBtyRy/nods-to-mods-interview-revolution

[8-17] GOG versions of Doom now offer re-release ports
https://twitter.com/GOGcom/status/1559903276094656513

[8-17] Voxel Doom is out
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-voxel-project/addons/voxel-doom

[8-12] The guidelines for the Quake 2 25th anniversary collaborative UNIT is here!
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1558056148795887618

[8-12] Quakespasm-Spiked has been updated
https://fte.triptohell.info/moodles/qss/

[8-11] Circadian Offset released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/circadian-offset-full-release/news/circadian-offset-full-release

[8-10] Various id games and their expansions are being merged into one install package on Steam
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2280/announcements/detail/3370400926531461244

[8-8]Coppertone Summer Jam 2 for Quake released(Copper for Quake required)
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/coppertone-summer-jam-2.103/

[8-8]The Quake 2 25th anniversary collaborative UNIT is here and open for submissions!
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1556598386110906369

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

[Anonymous No.9192834]

>>9192829
If she is not playable in a 3rd person Doom mod I'm gonna learn to mod/program just so I can make that game.

Ok I'm full of shit, but WHO

[Anonymous No.9192853]

>replaying Hexen using the Walpurgis mod

I forgot how tedious and dull Hexen's levels were, and this is already with a mod that mixes up the encounter design a bit and throws in new enemy variants so you aren't just always fighting one enemy type at a time.

[Anonymous No.9192867]

>>9192853
eh. Heretic and Hexen CE when

[Anonymous No.9192975]

Doom 64 is free on Epicgames store for a limited time. Is it worth grabbing?

[Anonymous No.9192981]

>>9192975
Definitely worth playing, though idk if the fanmade one or the release that came with Eternal is better.
Speaking of which, what's the best way to play PSX DOOM?
Is it even worth a play?

[Anonymous No.9192993]

>>9192975
Nice, thanks for the heads up.

[Anonymous No.9192996]

>>9192981
>PSX Doom

Why play an inferior port? All the 'extra features' were just salve for the low framerates and various missing elements. Most ports offer nothing, unless there are real enhancements at no detriment to the original game.

[Anonymous No.9193001]

>>9192975
You can grab it from gog-games, so you don't need to download a client to get Doom 64 for free.
>>9192981
Either use a PSX emulator or PsyDoom. (https://doomwiki.org/wiki/PsyDoom))

[Anonymous No.9193021]

Ah, back from my refreshing 3-day vacation with assurances that my landlord is no longer serving FOUR ENTIRE APARTMENTS with one fucking router and a switch. Last time I get a place with internet included, let me tell you.
So, titlemap. I'm working on the camera, and I have no idea what one of these is better. Basically there are two options: Option A is this webm, where the camera twists and turns to look through each portal before shooting off. Option B is the next webm, where the camera goes straight through.

[Anonymous No.9193028]

>>9192981
PSX Doom and Final Doom are a bit more reduced maps but the atmosphere is really different. PsyDoom is a faithful port and you have also Doom/Final PSX/64 CE that include expansions and extra features including previously removed archviles, ambient sounds and bump mapping

[Anonymous No.9193031]

>>9193021
Option B. If I were to do this one, I'd rotate the insides of the portals so the cam can see more stuff as it passes. This is also faster. Note that the blue screen at the end turns into the TITLEPIC lump normally.

[Anonymous No.9193047]

>>9192975
its a good game,not amazing (id say the combat is mostly weaker than DOOM2), but its good.

[Anonymous No.9193058]

>>9193021
>>9193031
Out of these two, I prefer option B. Also that it would be much faster in revealing the TITLEPIC. Will you put an option in to turn off the TITLEMAP altogether?

[Anonymous No.9193060]

>>9192975
Nothing is worth grabbing on Epic Games Store. You're better than this, anon. As >>9193001 mentioned, you can just take it from GOG.
https://gog-games.com/game/doom_64

[Anonymous No.9193063]

>>9193058
I'm going to release a version sans-TITLEMAP for those who want it. It's really, really simple to do so I figure I might as well. I don't really want to go with two titlemaps plus a no-titlemap though, that's excessive.
I'm also thinking about moving the mod to an itch.io page since a bunch of people did that and it'll allow some channels for feedback that aren't here, but also aren't either cancerous discord chats or existing community forums that I don't want to associate with.

[Anonymous No.9193081]

>>9193060
What a hard on for GNU and the like. OR you could pirate the actual N64 ROM instead and use Doom 64 EX or whatever its called and save some bandwidth. I really can't understand people complaining about being able to get free games. Like, they think their ISP doesn't see everything they do online and that installing a fucking game store app/launcher is going to shred their l33t cred or something? Get real. Real digital

[Anonymous No.9193085]

Doom 1 ~ Doom 64 > Final Doom > Doom 2 >>>>>>> Doom 3

That's a fact.

[Anonymous No.9193091]

Anything similar to russian overkill but maybe not quite as fucking OP to power through the NM in UD or maybe FD?

[Anonymous No.9193094]

>>9193091
Dakka maybe? It's not that similar to RO though, just a higher power mod for hard mapsets.

[Anonymous No.9193103]

>>9193094
Problem with dakka is - for whatever fucked up reason the interface bar is suspended somewhere in the middle of the screen and pressing fire REMOVES THE WEAPON and switches to fist.

[Anonymous No.9193105]

>>9193085
Spitting the fax like a plasma riffle desu.
64 and Final may switch places depending on mood tho.

[Anonymous No.9193116]

>>9193085
Correct

[Anonymous No.9193118]

>>9193094
tbhf UD still kicking my arse on the third level

[Anonymous No.9193121]

getting my value out of that GOG Hexen/Heretic pack but you cant pay to get me to stop playing Chasm the Rift

[Anonymous No.9193127]

>>9192975
It's absolutely worth grabbing, just steer clear from Timmy Tencent

[Anonymous No.9193136]

hey does anybody know some cool cheats to maybe help beat Doom on UV? Cause on sites like gamecheats it's all bullshit that game doesn't accept

[Anonymous No.9193157]

>>9193136
Wtf, anon

[Anonymous No.9193167]

>>9193063
>an itch.io page
Honestly, I'd say that's a great idea. I'd also throw a few bucks your way as well, because I enjoy Babel immensely and it's been my main gameplay mod for the past few months now.

[Anonymous No.9193171]

>>9193081
>What a hard on for GNU and the like.
I just rapidly grew tired of Windows with 10/11, so I took back control of my own hardware.
Timmy hates me for this and the feeling is mutual, I already have Doom 64 from Steam anyway.

[Anonymous No.9193175]

>>9193063
>I'm also thinking about moving the mod to an itch.io page
Good call. It's where I manage all of my shit nowadays. I don't get many comments on my mods though, it's just mainly you boys here.

[Anonymous No.9193180]

>>9193175
You forgot the fire selector on the Separated Arms ZM cookoffs.

[Anonymous No.9193187]

>>9193180
Is that even a thing?

[Anonymous No.9193204]

>>9193187
Only rifles with the fire selector are able to cookoff in the first place, but the little orange pip above the grip representing the fire selector disappears on the cookoff sprites compared to the regular pickup.

[Anonymous No.9193209]

>>9193204
Ah fuck I had it backwards. I'll add that to the todo list.

[Anonymous No.9193210]

Scythe is fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.9193227]

>>9193204
Single fire ZMs can cookoff. It's all about rate of fire, if you keep hammering the trigger, it will heat up. Letting a full auto ZM cool off for even a second or two after 10/15 rounds or 3/4 bursts will let you keep firing it for much longer without cookoffs. The reason burst cooks as well and stays heated for longer is because of the hyperburst firerate equalling that to the fuller auto firemode on the vulc.

[Anonymous No.9193237]

>>9193171
Oh no, STEAM?! Bah I sometimes respond harshly to shit here because we all know about pissing into oceans of piss etc. Doom 64 EX was legit tho. Didn't finish it a couple months ago when replaying it. Ah well. Cheers.

[Anonymous No.9193245]

>>9193227
I think the ZM's electronic trigger delay is long enough to prevent single-fire from ever cooking off. Either way, no unique sprites / sprite definitions exist for a cookoff from a semi-only ZM.

[Anonymous No.9193259]

>>9192981
I liked this one https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-ce/downloads

[Anonymous No.9193269]

>>9192829
trying to run zdl on linux
i can get zdl to launch gzdoom but it cant seem to pick up my iwad from the zdl menu?

[Anonymous No.9193279]

Which games would be better, had they been conceived on a different engine? I'm not talking about porting the game 1:1, but rather if it had been developed from the get-go with said engine's quirks and perks in mind. Let's say the technology can't be more than 5 years ahead of the game's initial release.

>OG Rise of The Triad on Build Engine.
>Daikatana on Pain Engine.
>Duke Nukem Forever on literally anything except Unreal Engine 1.
>Nu Rise of The Triad on Serious Engine 4.
>Nu Shadow Warrior on idTech 7.

[Anonymous No.9193281]

>>9193269
it also wont load any wads either. zdl just launches gzdoom with whatever iwad i had in the config folder

[Anonymous No.9193293]

I was on the internet today, and I found this.

[Anonymous No.9193295]

>>9193293
I also found this.

[Anonymous No.9193297]

>>9193269
Is there even a native version of ZDL, or are you running it in Wine?

[Anonymous No.9193301]

>>9193297
theres a linux version yea
https://github.com/lcferrum/qzdl/releases/tag/3-1.1
i think im just gonna use a shell script but im having a bitch of a time getting it to launch when i have a wad

[Anonymous No.9193306]

>>9193301
I use DoomRunner, it's corrupted my configs the couple times my computer crashed or I lost power, but I found where they're stored so I can back them up, and I've had no other issues with it.

[Anonymous No.9193308]

>>9193293
>>9193295
Quake 5 will be an ensemble-cast grrl power game in the vein of Birds of Prey, featuring Hunter, Crash, Slash, and Nyx and their wacky adventures in defeating racism (Lovecraftian entities) and fascism (The Strogg). Also Hunter is darker and Slash is asian now.

[Anonymous No.9193315]

>>9193279
>Pain Engine
Trying to get Necrovision running properly has given me a lasting hatred of the Pain Engine.

[Anonymous No.9193342]

>>9193308
>Slash is asian now.
>now

[Anonymous No.9193347]

>>9192853
> playing Hexen for combat
Hexen gameplay actually starts when all enemies are dead. Killing them is just an intro to puzzle-solving. Spent half an hour yesterday night turning bull statues on and off trying to lower the green gem column on Lost Luxury (didn't succeed), peak SOVL.

[Anonymous No.9193350]

>>9193279
>OG Rise of The Triad on Build Engine.
Sounds really cool, I have a feeling it would be an earlier but maybe better RTCW.

[Anonymous No.9193367]

>>9193347
It's fun throwing a bunch of enemies off a cliff with that ring or leading them into a poison/bomb potion trap. One other fun strat I've found for the Cleric is that you can push poisonous clouds into a room with the Disc. But yeah unfortunately that's pretty much it for Hexen combat.

[Anonymous No.9193370]

>>9193347
God Hexen 1 sucks so much.

[Anonymous No.9193378]

>>9193370
Combat in 2 feels even worse.

[Anonymous No.9193379]

>>9193367
>One other fun strat I've found for the Cleric is that you can push poisonous clouds into a room with the Disc
Gothic cropdusting.

[Anonymous No.9193393]

>>9192834
make her an addon to that one ck kid mod

[Anonymous No.9193398]

>>9193342
watching anime and bleaching your skin does NOT make you japanese
>>9193315
i love pain engine's movement and physics, as retarded as they may be at times. much less stiff feeling than quake 2 engine, especially with the smoother animations. i'd also say it holds up tons better than other 2004-ish engines with how well it runs and how nicely it handles pretty models and textures.
i think it'd fit the feel daikatana was going for and make it play less shittily, especially with the wonky weapons.

[Anonymous No.9193402]

Finally done with detailing. Now all I need is monsters lmao.

[Anonymous No.9193405]

>>9193370
>>9193378
Holy FILTERED
Hexen brought something that was sorely missing in Doom and that's exploration and an actual atmosphere. While the combat can be a bit stiff at times, its other qualities more than make up for that. At the time, Raven had a lot more passion for game development while id were too busy being celebrities.

[Anonymous No.9193427]

>>9193405
I've beat Hexen on skill 4 like 5 times now, with all 3 clases, deathkings like 8. The combat fucking SUCKS and I don't understand anyone that plays fighter outside of multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.9193430]

>>9193427
>the combat fucking sucks
>btw I've beat the game a zillion times
Huh??? If you can't appreciate it, don't play it, simple as.

[Anonymous No.9193432]

>>9193430
Not that anon but it's a fact, and despite that I still love the game for all the other things that were mentioned.

[Anonymous No.9193434]

>>9193430
I appreciate it for its other aspects, but do understand that those do Not and will never overcome the issues that it has. It doesn't need to but they should also not be overlooked or tossed aside as like, 70% of hexen is pure combat and parts of hub 3, hub 4 and korax fight is pure slaughterwad tier stuff. Nevermind the sheer fucking walls of meat you have to cheese through in deathkings.
The combat fucking SUCKS DICK in vanilla so I mostly replay it with mods that enhance such.

[Anonymous No.9193438]

Thanks to whoever recommended Divine Frequency demo on /v/, it was great.
Are there any notable Resident Evil-like wads with ammo starvation, multiple treacherous paths and interwoven levels? Something where the combat doesn't leave too much space for finesse, so the order of encounters and resources you spend matter more than aim and dodging.

[Anonymous No.9193485]

yo is smooth doom compatible with ancient aliens?

[Anonymous No.9193491]

>>9193485
Ask yourself, why wouldn't it be?
Common sense can get you very far you know.

[Anonymous No.9193495]

>>9193491
He plays Smooth Doom because of his smooth brain pls understand

[Anonymous No.9193529]

>>9193491
Ancient Aliens have different palette so if smooth doom changes sprites it would look... interesting.

[Anonymous No.9193532]

>>9193405
i disagree about Doom being atmosphereless. the midi kinda ruins it sometimes tho especially the first track what was Bobby thinking...

[Anonymous No.9193537]

what's the purpose of the ring of shadows on e1m3?

[Anonymous No.9193538]

what's your favorite song from the community midi packs?

[Anonymous No.9193541]

What's the theme of 94 protons? Something duke nukem themed?
Just grabbed all the resources, probably not gunna submit anything but these textures are cool

[Anonymous No.9193550]

>>9193538
Escaping the doomed fortress, Introducing Mrs. F Tier, Wank City and whatever one for secret level of No Rest called.

[Anonymous No.9193560]

>>9193491
Because if AA changes sprites then it would look really fucking weird since SD adds extra animation. FUCKING RETARD

[Anonymous No.9193573]

Why does it always have to be A COUPLE OF FUCKING ARCHVILLES _AND_ YOU HAVE NO AMMO

[Anonymous No.9193575]

is it wrong to cheat in ammo if a game refuses to give you any for a boss fight that absolutely requires it and expects you to have fucking clairvoyance throughout the past 2 maps so you conserve enough cells

[Anonymous No.9193581]

>>9193575
that's when you use the quad

[Anonymous No.9193583]

>>9193575
press square to chainsaw duh! kek

[Anonymous No.9193587]

>>9193581
i don't think the rogue expansion has quad, only double damage
i had a defender sphere and an invuln and even with both + all the ammo at my disposal i couldn't kill it before i died to the unavoidable kamikaze drones
meanwhile a few bfg shots and some chaingun fire is enough to down it without any buffs
fucking stupid encounter
>>9193583
huh?

[Anonymous No.9193589]

>>9193538
sadly none of it

[Anonymous No.9193590]

>>9193587
Doom Eternal joke i'm so sorry.

[Anonymous No.9193593]

>>9193590
if this piece of fucking shit did 50 damage instead of 10 and gave back a random ammo drop on kill it'd genuinely make the expansion better

[Anonymous No.9193595]

>>9193593
kek

[Anonymous No.9193596]

>>9193538
I like "Catnip Forest" from Master Levels pack.

[Anonymous No.9193606]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRkxTPXNtBg

[Anonymous No.9193607]

>>9193596
>>9193538
oh right i said none of it but this one is good and maybe Archvile King too.

[Anonymous No.9193608]

>>9193593
Why does the lighting look so terrible in this screenshot? Fix your gl_modulate, everything is too bleached out.

[Anonymous No.9193610]

>>9193606
i fucking warned them about the damn imp but they wouldn't listen.
looks interesting

[Anonymous No.9193615]

>>9193608
He's playing Quake 2, it's supposed to look terrible.

[Anonymous No.9193618]

>>9193575
>>9193587
disregard these posts i didn't realize the defender sphere had damage resist
went back and used the invuln separately and barely won

[Anonymous No.9193624]

How to get rid of this obnoxious fucking bullshit?

[Anonymous No.9193626]

>>9193624
uninstall wad.exe

[Anonymous No.9193628]

>>9193624
Try fucking around with your HUD_Scale in the console.

[Anonymous No.9193631]

Alright boys it's that time of the week again, FUCKING SCREENSHOT SATURDAY! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? NOW'S THE TIME TO POST THAT SHIT.

[Anonymous No.9193645]

>>9193628
Already found it in the settings but thanks

[Anonymous No.9193647]

>>9193631
This is the worst level in human history. Seventh in SOD

[Anonymous No.9193659]

>>9193647
You made this?

[Anonymous No.9193660]

>>9193659
no. I don't make levels, I play em. Don't care about LE RULE of replying to the post

[Anonymous No.9193663]

>>9193624
Play something that isn't D4D like D4T or Embers of Armageddon.

D4D is obnoxious as fuck

[Anonymous No.9193671]

>>9193663
It's kinda what I need right now, I feel like I played some much vanilla type dooms that I got burned out a little.
Need something fun and mindless and not super hard now

[Anonymous No.9193680]

>>9193663
Is d4d even still being developed? Also, it occurs to me that that image wouldn't look half as bad if there were alternate versions of those sprites with no hands on them.

[Anonymous No.9193690]

>>9193680
I think it got bailed on at some point after he was trying to incorporate Doom Eternal features into it before that game was even out.

[Anonymous No.9193696]

What's the name of that mod where it ACTUALLY makes it play like doom 4 with jumps n shit and ACTUALLY has level from it? Not d4d or d4t

[Anonymous No.9193710]

>>9192975
My account was laying dormant (could not grab Bioshock and other giveaways because some region shit which I fixed yesterday) so decide to add it and now it is asking me to download its client. No way.

Grabbed EX instead and started playing it. What is that horror hallway like music? I was expected metal beats. Turned down the music because it felt lame. And I thought Doom 3 was their first attempt at making a horror game.

[Anonymous No.9193715]

>>9192975
My account was laying dormant (could not grab Bioshock and other giveaways because some region-lock shit I didn't realize first which I fixed yesterday) so decided to add it to the library and now it is asking me to download its store client. No way.

Grabbed EX instead and started playing it. What is up with that horror hallway like music? I was expecting metal beat like previous games. Turned down the music cuz that was lame. And I thought Doom 3 was their first attempt at making a horror game.

[Anonymous No.9193717]

>>9193085
Replayed Doom 1 and felt like a smooth butter. Why couldn't they make Doom 2 like that too?

[Anonymous No.9193720]

>>9193434
> The combat fucking SUCKS DICK in vanilla so I mostly replay it with mods that enhance such.
Can you rate Wrath of Cronos, Walpurgis, Brutal Hexen (and others combat mods I don't know) between each other? I am really enjoying BH-enhanced monster behaviour currently, and WoC was great with upgraded monsters variety, yet to play Walpurgis.

[Anonymous No.9193734]

>>9193342
Slosh is russian jap

[Anonymous No.9193739]

>>9193575
when i upscaled this fucker i noticed that some of the textures, even as pcx suffers from texture warping caused by MD2.

[Anonymous No.9193748]

>>9193615
shitposter tourist please

[Anonymous No.9193751]

>>9193748
direct downgrade
cant see shit

[Anonymous No.9193756]

I love techbases.

[Anonymous No.9193757]

do not give the shitposter (you), wait til the jannies give him a 3 day vacation once more because the anti quakes and dooms baits are obvious.


>>9193663
i gave D4T a chance along with D4D years ago, but nowadays i can't bring myself to play it anymore.
it is good, but it becomes boring later on and less challenging.

[Anonymous No.9193758]

>>9193210
Wait till you get into Scythe 2. You are going to cum.

[Anonymous No.9193762]

>>9193308
Sounds fun unironically.

[Anonymous No.9193763]

My semi-final thoughts on Ground Zero are that it makes a valiant effort to create engaging fights given how shit Q2's enemy behaviors are, 99% due to the enemy-generating Medics and Turrets, but it's fucking retarded how the turrets don't have an idle sound and can't be destroyed before they appear, and whoever made medics immune to the BFG when they crouch may bite the deepest reaches of my asshole.

Also Daedaluses are stupid useless grenade sponges that aren't even fun to kill with your surplus of grenades because of how they move + their shit ai + your GL's shit projectile orientation and arc.

[Anonymous No.9193768]

>>9193756
Holy based

[Anonymous No.9193771]

>>9193757
> paranoid
> janny
> constantly wants to ban peoplee
> "i"
We got a forum retard bingo. Go back to your bulletin forums, we like freedom here.

[Anonymous No.9193773]

>>9193763
Ground Zero is a great example of how 1 small thing can ruin an otherwise great map pack/wad
The turrets are so incredibly obnoxious and the ruin the gameplay pace because they teach you to constantly look over your shoulder every time you pass a doorway so that you don't get insta-killed

[Anonymous No.9193780]

umm?

[Anonymous No.9193782]

>>9193780
>using Doomseeker
There's your issue

[Anonymous No.9193785]

>>9193782
no other way to play MM8BDM and it DID work before

[Anonymous No.9193802]

>Bug renders the map impossible to complete
Do you just noclip and shrug it off or do you cancel the entire run? there is an invisible bridge which i cant lower and it blocks the next area

[Anonymous No.9193804]

>>9193802
Gamebreaking bugs just take the fun out of things so unless the map is super good I peace out. I'm autistic about using cheats, even if it's to get out of a map error

[Anonymous No.9193812]

>>9193210
Except for "Run From It" and "Fire and Ice".

[Anonymous No.9193813]

>>9193802
Compendium,Scythe 1 map 18 if anyone is curious

[Anonymous No.9193816]

>Level 30 about to finish a mapset
>Alright i can do this
>its a icon of sin fight,ok no biggie
>modded weapons have no rocket launcher equivalent or lacks the splash damage
>mfw

[Anonymous No.9193820]

>>9193812
If Run from it is the spider level I love it. The next (I think) level with archvilles in cages AND NO FUCKING AMMO is a let down.

[Anonymous No.9193824]

>>9193820
Run from it is the one with the time limit

[Anonymous No.9193831]

>>9193748
some people may find it too spoopy, same with Doom 3 so they resort to cope explanations
>>9193751
FILTERED

[Anonymous No.9193837]

>>9193756
sexy.

[Anonymous No.9193840]

>>9193720
>WoC
Pretty close to an 8.7, the new additions are kinda fitting (minus parias) and there's some nice amount of replayability to it. Don't like the massive amount of inventory juggling. Some of the spells are just uninteresting copies of something ripped off from WoW (including the goddamn icons) or some other MMO, although combining some effects with certain weapons or items can be quite a treat, it feels somewhat boring in a way.
I'm rating it that and not a 9 because of Parias and because some character starts (mainly necro, assasin) are rather boring or lackluster.
>Walpurgis
>Parias pussified again
>implying anyone ever plays druid with that awful voiceacting
It's actually close to a 8.0, maybe a bit lower.
Don't like some of the new monsters, it's like they saw Centaurs and said "Invuln frames are the next best thing besides sliced bread!" and made a Revenant version of it. You'd probably like it though, just don't play it on skill 4 (aka nightmare equiv) like I normally do because it's godawful.
Mage actually is amazing to play in this mod and the sole reason I'd ever try it. Too bad they fucked up the magic balance and made the lighting spell not only consume more green mana per attack, but also kill things slower than the two blue mana spells, specially in comparison to Ice shards which are absolutely sick in this mod.
>Brutal hexen
Don't like it, doesn't fix any of the issues with hexen combat. Also fighter focused. 4.2.
>Other mods
Hexercise is actually amazing and it saddens me that nobody ever mentions it. Easily an 8.9 for me, but sadly just a solid 7 in reality because newer versions of gzdoom make it break certain scripts on a lot of maps making it virtually unplayable if you don't know how to fix it.

For comparison, a 10/10 would probably be playing with something like Demonsteele and having a monster mod that replaces Centaurs with something else or removes invuln from them.

[Anonymous No.9193854]

>>9193560
sounds like a skill issue to me

[Anonymous No.9193856]

>>9193831
Doom 3 will always work better on a CRT, carmack's tech autism wanted people playing on high end ones like the super triniton.

[Anonymous No.9193857]

>>9193720
WoC felt pretty strange for me
>Play warrior
>STR is useless,you want to go full INT and spam your aoe nukes nonstop

[Anonymous No.9193859]

>>9193717
the pact with satan was only for one game...

[Anonymous No.9193876]

>>9193856
to be fair almost anything kinda works better on a CRT. if it wasn't so inconvenient and expensive i'd get a giant one with HDMI 1080 input.

[Anonymous No.9193878]

>>9193717
>>9193859
Am I normalfag? To me Doom 2 just felt like "more of Doom 1 but with a super shotgun and a couple of new enemies". Why do people act like they're so incredibly different?

[Anonymous No.9193884]

>>9193878
Downtown.

[Anonymous No.9193889]

>>9193878
level design and aesthetics are pretty meh in general compared to 1

[Anonymous No.9193892]

>>9193878
The added monster roster changes up stuff and fixes a few gaps.

[Anonymous No.9193897]

>>9193167
Oh man I would never take money. Defeats the whole purpose for me. Thanks though.
>>9193175
Yeah it's more about having it open at all for bug reports than getting huge feedback. Makes it easier to keep track, searching posts with "Babel" on warosu when I have to dip out for weeks/months isn't that efficient.

[Anonymous No.9193907]

>>9193279
It’s actually shocking how much better ROTT would have been if you took all of its ideas and gave it an engine like Build. Might have straight up made Half-Life before Half-Life.

Hell, even that Return of the Triad mod for Doom shows how great it is when it’s not confined to an upgraded Wolfenstein engine.

[Anonymous No.9193923]

>>9193878
doom 2 had harder enemies and good map design that utilized them
doom 1 was just a demo where you clicked on hitscanners with the shotgun to win

[Anonymous No.9193925]

>>9193840
I don't like how the newer versions of WoC added the synergy shit to the skills and made summons scale off a separate stat from everything else.

[Anonymous No.9193926]

was firing Hall and Romero a good choice?
i don't remember why Hall was fired.
Carmack in his last interview expressed some kind of regrets in the way he handled id's strategy as in maybe they could have hired more and let other projects develop in parallel instead if single releases at a time.
ROTT would have benefited greatly from id's tech.

[Anonymous No.9193928]

>>9193907
>>9193926
forgot to quote sorry.

[Anonymous No.9193947]

Lost Luxury is the best Hexen hub I've played so far, just solved bulls puzzle, onto to steel factory level, highly recommend

[Anonymous No.9193974]

>>9193926
>>9193928
Romero? Possibly, he really wasn’t pulling his weight at the time, even though he was right about ID becoming too stagnant.

Hall? Absolutely, dude was Chockfull of great ideas at the time and clearly put the work in when necessary. Even Doom, a game he wasn’t interested in, got a full Bible from him trying to explain the lore and flesh out the world only to be told to fuck off. I think apogee/iD should’ve worked closer together and let Hall do more creative stuff with iDtech because ROTT shows how good he was at creating interesting gameplay mechanics

[Anonymous No.9193986]

>>9193926
>>9193974
Id was fucked before Romero left, really but it became more about the engine and less about the gameplay and stuff.

Quake was a fucking mess with stuff like the non-boss fights as a result.


Tom got screwed so fucking hard by Romero buggering Ion Storm and never seemed to get a break after that, at least not in the way that somebody like Sandy did by finding his way into stuff like Age of Empires.

[Anonymous No.9194002]

Where do I buy lives in Stronghold? Is it in the shop with the powerups?

[Anonymous No.9194007]

>>9193608
Isn't that an official screenshot?

[Anonymous No.9194013]

>>9194007
I think it might be.
But if your Quake 2 doesn't look like this, you're playing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.9194014]

God I love the mission pack skyboxes.

[Anonymous No.9194017]

Ah, to be young again and to be playing coop with a friend from across the pond...

[Anonymous No.9194025]

>>9193986
Sandy Petersen had a better success after it than Romero or Hall

>>9194007
Yes it is, but quake 2 filtering was notorious for sucking badly in higher res.
in fact it was obvious the game had high res in mind per beta and promo screenshots, but no voodoo 2 would handle it

[Anonymous No.9194034]

>>9193085
Switch Doom 1 with Doom 2

[Anonymous No.9194037]

>>9194034
BOOO

[Anonymous No.9194038]

>>9194025
This super-clean high-res texture pack you're using is pretty gay. Stroggos is supposed to be dirty and grimy.

[Anonymous No.9194043]

>>9194025
>Sandy Petersen had a better success after it than Romero or Hall
He did in so much that he actually did other stuff of note, even if he's not ever been a huge name.

Romero's done, well, actually very little, sort of followed Tom through companies after a while, even ones that ended up making mobile games.

I guess lately he set up a company to make games but that's also his wife's thing with some nuX-Com-alike.

[Anonymous No.9194056]

>>9194037
I'm sorry but it's true. Doom 2 has larger and more open-ended levels with denser enemy encounters. And the inclusion of the SSG in some maps makes pistol-starts more interesting. Not to mention the fact that the extended enemy roster is iconic at this point. My only legitimate complaint would be the fact that there are too many Pain Elementals. It's like idsoft didn't realize how OP they were.

[Anonymous No.9194068]

>>9194056
PE are a non issue to me especially with a chaingun or an SSG but yeah i agree at least about the added monsters and SSG they are quite cool.

[Anonymous No.9194074]

I'm interested in any Doom wad recommendations that tweak the arsenal without completely replacing it,

things like rebalancing or adding secondary fires to existing weapons

[Anonymous No.9194080]

>>9194074
Dakka, more so the old version (0.06 or so) if you're looking for something closer to vanilla than the recent ones.

[Anonymous No.9194087]

>>9194068
Oh no, I agree, my issue is more so with the placement and amount of them. It's just jarring playing pwads and returning back to Doom 2 since it feels like most mappers understand that the PE is a dangerous and high priority enemy (especially on non-vanilla complevels). But in Doom 2 they're just treated like cacos and haphazardly placed around some levels. Pistol starting barrels o' fun is never a fun experience.

[Anonymous No.9194094]

>>9193631
I am fucking awful at frankenspriting

[Anonymous No.9194140]

>>9194094
I think I've stared at this for so long that I can't even tell if it looks bad anymore.

[Anonymous No.9194150]

>>9194140
it will visit you in your nightmares

[Anonymous No.9194153]

>>9194094
nice typewriter

[Anonymous No.9194160]

>>9194150
Literally the whole reason I'm doing this is just to replace one section of this sprite because I don't like it. Original is this.
>>9194153
At least that part is hidden by the offsets lmao

[Anonymous No.9194164]

>>9194160
yes they betrayed the penis in the original sprite.

[Anonymous No.9194189]

>>9194080
what happens in the newer versions that the older one is better?

[Anonymous No.9194191]

>>9194160
>personalizing babel weapons
Cool. I did the same awhile ago but ended up just missing the vanilla PG look.

[Anonymous No.9194197]

>>9193293

[Anonymous No.9194208]

>>9194191
Well considering I'm the author it's not so much personalizing as trying to make slightly better, but yeah. I do like that sprite you posted as well. I'll have to do some more tinkering.
Not too much though, I have some other things I want to work on as well.

[Anonymous No.9194217]

>>9194189
Most of the weapons were redone to be more impressive and more their own thing, and the mod was fixed up to not use it's own built in monster replacer.

[Anonymous No.9194218]

>>9194208
>Well considering I'm the author it's not so much personalizing as trying to make slightly better

[Anonymous No.9194227]

>>9194218
No biggie my man I just hate tripfagging so I hardly ever use mine except when posting release updates.
Actually this whole "change the weapon look" thing makes me want to write a small guide on how to do a decorate-based replacement or patch for the mod. I remember a while back some guy wanted to play Babel Monsters with Legendoom and it required a specific compat patch to work right.

[Anonymous No.9194238]

>>9193631
Grand finale for my second episode, and possibly entire wad.
>>9193402
It's been several years, maybe it's time to wrap it up.

[NotVaeros !!VL2uqFRAHp0 No.9194259]

>>9192829
>>9192830
Alright anons, I think it's about time we get this show on the road.

AD MORTEM PHASE 2
>Maps will be made in MBF21 format (complevel 21)
>Use the Doom 2 IWAD
>NO SLOT CLAIMS THIS TIME! All restriction-based maps have already been submitted. Map order will be figured out in the polishing phase.
>You can submit more than one map, just make them good
>Use the provided resources. Stock textures are okay except for tech/base textures
>Maps of any size are allowed, but small ones are preferred. It's up to you in the end.
>Use DSDA-Doom, Woof! or any related ports to test your maps. Do not use GZDoom to test your maps.
>You may not use thing ID 1000 (Pumpkinhead) or 1055 (Hanging man) for your maps
>SUBMISSION DEADLINE: OCTOBER 12TH, 11:59 PM EST

Please follow the map submission template for submitting maps, otherwise I might miss your maps.
Map Name: (Title of your map)
Author: (Name you wish to be credited by, leave blank for Anonymous)
Playtime: (Estimated playtime for your map)
MIDI: (Name of custom MIDI used)
Tag the anchor post and provide a screenshot of your map!

That should pretty much cover it. I am not Vaeros, but he hasn't been seen for months and I want to get as much work done as possible in his absence, I'll try and stay close to his original vision for this.

RESOURCES: https://mega.nz/file/hUcghCpC#IhvDev4E11vn2ekUFwuaRr8BrRaNGiSVaKNSn1Ker3Y

[Anonymous No.9194265]

>>9192829
>>9192830
94 Protons Of /vr/
For those interested, go for broke! From August 11th to September 12th

MegaUpload: https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA
>Proton Pack 1.9.6 (now works in Woof)
>PROTDECO16 (patch for testing your levels in GzDoom)
>94SplatDefault, 94SplatNC-HUD
>A collection of MIDIs for mappers to use.
Please stake a claim on a MIDI you've settled on so that we don't get doubles, also, you are not restricted to the MIDIs in the folder, feel free to use one you sourced/made yourself.
If the assets update, I'll reply to this post stating so.

Slots:
>E1 Boss Level, x2 Paratamizers as a finale: Claimed (?)
>E2 Boss Level: Discuss
Are you interested in making an E2 boss level, do you have anything special in mind, or would you be ok with a modified Icon Of Sin battle?

>Optional Hunted style map: Unclaimed
We could have up to two of these if there's the interest for it. Feel free to be playful with the concept of an Arch-Vile labyrinth.

>Optional Dead Simple map: Finished
>Large city battle level akin to Odyssey Of Noises: Discuss
One suggestion for a larger city level was that we all take turns designing parts for it. How would we best go about this?

>Secret slaughter map, ala Go 2 It: Discuss
Multiple ideas has been suggested. One cool idea was to use an existing /vr/ map as a base and slaughterifying it, is anyone interested in this, and do they have further suggestions for a suitable candidate? Someone else suggested another approach, mind that we could have two secret slaughter maps if we wanted to.

Current Submissions: 17 Maps!

To Do:
>M_DOOM (something styled after Plutonium in the periodic table)
>ENDOOM
>Interpics (optionally one per episode)
>E2 Boss
>E3 Boss
>Chainsaw
>Fist
>Super Shotgun
>Plasma
>BFG9000
>Possibly rework the Death Exit effects somehow

Reply to this post with submissions or questions.

[Anonymous No.9194268]

>>9193631
planning my raid on another game's textures

[Anonymous No.9194284]

>>9194227
Legendoom actually doesn't but you have to find the option in it's stuff to turn off Legendoom's own spawns.

or you fuck with it's load order.

[Anonymous No.9194290]

The fuck is ROTT?

[Anonymous No.9194291]

>>9193085
Plutonia>Doom64>Thy Flesh Consumed >Episode 1>Doom 2>No Rest for the Living=TNT>Episode 2 & 3>Doom 2's City levels>The Master Levels

[Anonymous No.9194293]

>>9194291
> this fucking mess
We're comparing games here, not parts of games

[Anonymous No.9194295]

>Doom
more like dumb lol

[Anonymous No.9194297]

>>9194290
rise of the triad? or are you asking what the he'll is going on in that game?

[Anonymous No.9194305]

>>9193085
plutonia/TNT > NTFTL >>> DOOM2 >> DOOM64 > DOOM>>>>>DOOM 3.

[Anonymous No.9194306]

doom 2 and plutonia are on the same exact level of difficulty because both are wholly dependant on knowing the map layout to not die but once you do it's easy
why does everyone shit themselves over the latter? it's the same core gameplay

[Anonymous No.9194315]

>>9193293
something about the body-type feels almost twinkish to me
not gonna complain though

[Anonymous No.9194320]

>>9193085
Enough with this shit, it's time for /vr/ project POWER RANKINGS
S: Ad Mortem
A: HFFM, 400 minutes
B: 2048 units, 300 minutes
C: 512 linedefs, 100 minutes
D: 200 minutes
Not coming out tier: Temporal Tantrum, 94 Protons

[Anonymous No.9194326]

>>9194315
It's not being stacked and being fit enough to be relatively flat.

Sorta gives a slightly fem dude-like appearance from the other side of things.

[Anonymous No.9194328]

Guys HOW THE FUCK do you change the level in ad mortem? IDclev doesn't work

[Anonymous No.9194331]

>>9194320
Not coming out tier is lacking the Heretic map pack.

[Anonymous No.9194338]

>>9194295
HOLY BTFO

[Anonymous No.9194351]

Ok so do I need to load something with Ad Mortem for it to work in GZD? When loading level 10 there are a bunch of missing textures and then it just crashes

[Anonymous No.9194353]

>>9194351
READ, NIGGA, READ!

[Anonymous No.9194362]

>>9194320
Top tier: Ad Mortem, HFFM
Great: 300 min, 2048 units, 500 ml, Violent Rumble
Good: 400 min, 512 linedefs
Didn't like: HUH
Didn't play: 100 min, 200 min

Looking at what there is for 94 protons so far I expect it's going to be one of the best when it's finished.

[Anonymous No.9194397]

>>9193878
level design is quite different, sometimes it makes great levels like the living end, and other times its a stinker.

[Anonymous No.9194404]

>>9194326
yeah, the lack of bodyfat + being fit must be what's doing it.

[Anonymous No.9194417]

>>9193974
>>9193986
Tom Hall really got screwed for no fucking reason. Dude consistently proved he was a team player and only got lax at iD because they rejected literally everything he wanted to do.

His work on ROTT and Anachronox showed he was a brilliant designer who really couldve flourished if he had more access to the latest iD Tech. Damn shame.

[Anonymous No.9194432]

>>9194417
His more recent career history is fucking depressing, ended up making casual mobile games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hall#Career

[Anonymous No.9194449]

>>9194432
>In March 2013, Hall joined PlayFirst as Principal Designer.
>They haven't made anything since 2011.

[Anonymous No.9194453]

>>9194417
>only got lax at iD because they rejected literally everything he wanted to do.
Wasn't what he wanted to do to dumpster fps and go back to side scrollers?

[Anonymous No.9194459]

>>9194417
Tom and iD really was a matter of creative differences, they all wanted to go in a different direction from him.

[Anonymous No.9194504]

>>9194459
This, tom really wanted to make fun stuff that was a bit on the more cartoony-wacky side, which is why we got stuff like RoTT.

Romero wanted to make darker stuff and then more character-focused stuff and Carmack wanted to make the best engines.

[Anonymous No.9194508]

>>9194449
Soon after this one and the next failed kickstarter - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lootdrop/an-old-school-rpg-by-brenda-brathwaite-and-tom-hal
I wonder if anyone has a video from Shaker campaign, it is not on youtube, both John Romero and Hall were in that vid

[Anonymous No.9194513]

>>9194508
>shaker
>rekkr
>shrekkr
IT'S ALL CONNECTED!

[Anonymous No.9194524]

>>9194351
Works on my machine. Update your GZDoom?

[Anonymous No.9194527]

>>9194504
>Carmack wanted to make the best engines.
He was the death of id. He sucked out the creativity of the team because all he cared about is the tech. I respect him for his work on the games but I wish he didn't have such a one-track mind.

[Anonymous No.9194531]

>>9194527
In part, but what really did the damage was Tim Willits, who was basically systematically fucking over everybody else in the company and using his position as being a voice in Carmack's ear to get him to get rid of people.

[Anonymous No.9194536]

>>9194513
>shrekkr
Someone needs to photoshop REKKR helmet on this pic, perfect match for next op pic

[Anonymous No.9194546]

>>9194531
How dare you say such slanderous lies about the inventor of deathmatch!

[Anonymous No.9194552]

some OC for the fire

[Anonymous No.9194556]

should i use zandronum or gzdoom?
is zandronum downstream and therefore less frequently updated?

[Anonymous No.9194560]

>>9194504
ROTT wasn't even really what he wanted to make, he's just kinda fond of that game, injecting some of his humor and ideas into it, but what he really wanted to do was to explore Keen games further, a direction which neither iD nor Apogee/3DRealms were remotely interested in at the time.

[Anonymous No.9194561]

>>9193631
I finished my 3 map wad more or less so I'm moving on to try out udmf format and making a space themed map.
Stuff like making the sky render over walls to make structures appear to be floating and using self referencing sectors and teleports to cross gaps.
Need to make a custom sky texture that tiles properly first but it should be fun.
Also I checked out the protons textures and they seem really cool, don't think I'd be able to make a boss level for the pack in the time left though, I'm quite a slow mapper

[Anonymous No.9194579]

>>9194074
Final Doomer should be up your alley.

[Anonymous No.9194580]

>>9194552
Nice

[Anonymous No.9194586]

>>9194552
>QUIT HITTING THE ARCHVILE BUTTON YOU CHUCKLEFUCK

[Anonymous No.9194632]

>>9194556
yeah it's rather old
> zan 3.1's gzdoom codebase is the same as zan 3.0's, which is that of gzdoom 1.8.6 (may 8 2014)
i wouldn't use zandronum unless you're doing multiplayer

[Anonymous No.9194648]

>>9194586

[Anonymous No.9194670]

>>9194632
I dunno, there are some advantages to not having to deal with some of Graf's later bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9194682]

>>9194080
>>9194579
Thanks, I'll check these out

[Anonymous No.9194727]

>>9193840
>newer versions of gzdoom make it break certain scripts on a lot of maps making it virtually unplayable if you don't know how to fix it.
I just played up to Castle of Grief without incident. The only technical problems I've noted are that the HUD doesn't show your slot 4 pieces (which was always an issue, even when it was a new mod) and that crushers will softlock you without being able to kill you if you're playing as cleric and you have your extra life. Still a fantastic mod, I'm actually surprised how well it plays on the highest difficulty. I thought making all centaurs into slaughtaurs would be a problem with fastmonsters, but it works out perfectly because when the game throws centaurs at you, there's usually some ettins as well. It might've only been intended as visual variety, but with slaughtaur projectiles, it results in mass infighting and turns ettins into a valuable combat resource. It's the sort of brilliant design that can only happen by accident.

[Anonymous No.9194734]

Any mapsets for DOOM with futuristic/inside a spaceship theme? wanna try the star wars enemies but they dont blend well with the common doom maps

[Anonymous No.9194736]

>>9194734
Daedalus: Alien Defense

[Anonymous No.9194791]

>>9194290
Rise of the Triad, an classic FPS on modified Wolf3D engine developed and originally published by 3D Realms in 1994.
>>9194560
>what he really wanted to do was to explore Keen games further
IIRC Tom wants to work on Commander Keen again to this very day. That's both wholesome and depressing when you think about it.

[Anonymous No.9194792]

>>9194734
Dark Universe feels like you're inside the Death Star.

[Anonymous No.9194793]

How to shotgunstart on mission pack

[Anonymous No.9194804]

>>9194791
>why is this a gi-
>EUGH EUGH EUGH EUGH EUGH

[Anonymous No.9194823]

>>9193631
Just playing some Golden Souls

[Anonymous No.9194826]

>>9194823
I missed the AK from the first game until I upgraded the AR

[Anonymous No.9194827]

>>9194791
>That's both wholesome and depressing when you think about it.
It fucking hurt to see his reaction to the Commander Keen mobile game, like holy shit id stuck the knife in and twisted it with the killing hanging Keen in Doom 2 but that shit is something else entirely.

[Anonymous No.9194829]

>>9194791
>IIRC Tom wants to work on Commander Keen again to this very day
Yeh. We're never going to see another Keen after they tried to forcefeed people a phone game though.
Would be neat to see a 3D Keen tho.

[Anonymous No.9194834]

>>9194736
>>9194792
i will check em out,thanks

[Anonymous No.9194842]

[Anonymous No.9194845]

>>9194842
>that hud
Is this the future of 8k gaming?

[Anonymous No.9194847]

>>9194842
>>9194845
Heh I didn't even notice it

[Anonymous No.9194861]

No Serious Business Saturday today, sorry about the double whammy of not hosting two weeks in a row. But I do have an actual excuse today compared to last week. Hopefully this recent mapping jam will be out by next weekend so we can play that.

[Anonymous No.9194905]

What the fuck is in the berserk packs that makes doomguys so strong, literally more deadlies than a fucking shotgun blast. How does doomguys hand not fucking explode?

[Anonymous No.9194912]

>>9194905
roids

[Anonymous No.9194913]

[Anonymous No.9194915]

>>9194305
where do you put sigil?
>inb4 the trash bin

[Anonymous No.9194916]

>>9194905
RAGE FOR DAISY

[Anonymous No.9194919]

>>9194905
COCAINUM desu.

[Anonymous No.9194923]

>>9194915
In the "it's overrated to fuck because it's by Romero" pile.

[Anonymous No.9194924]

TFC > SOH ~ I > S ~ KDITD

but all good

[Anonymous No.9194930]

>>9194727
>Up to castle of grief without incident
Is my copy broken then? I have issues in Guardian of Ice with the trap room before the visit to the death wendigo room teleport in Guardian of Steel as an ice pillar that is supposed to lower after killing two centaurs does not lower and certain other scripts regarding some puzzles in Shadow Wood do not trigger properly or don't raise/lower certain walls the whole way.

And yeah, despite my issues, the mod is probably the only one that is a cut above the rest in the slew of Hexen mods. Fast, crunchy and fun melee, satisfying ranged support weapons for all classes, good sounds, projectile parrying, etc.
The difficulty isn't actually lowered that much despite being called by the author as an OP weapons mod because of the centaur changes and as you said, playing on skill 4 makes it fast paced and frenetic in some areas.

[Anonymous No.9194932]

>>9194923
damn i actually like it. should have been a whole megawad tho. hyping and selling a collector's edition for an episode in this day and age is a bit pompous yeah.

[Anonymous No.9194958]

I swear i will play every map someday! i refuse to clean up my folder

[Anonymous No.9194967]

>>9194915
design-wise, id put it at close to NRFTL, i actually really liked it, but the enemies put it at about the same as DOOM 2
his new one is getting close to plutonia and really shocked me.

[Anonymous No.9194970]

>>9193878
I only think like 1/3 of the levels in Doom 1 and 2 each are actually fun, obviously they were pioneering this shit as they went but they're so scattershot and inconsistent that I don't really consider them great games on their own.

[Anonymous No.9194971]

>>9194958
i do that a lot with a few games too...

[Anonymous No.9194985]

https://twitter.com/muk0r/status/1561086283975360512/
The average Q2 detractor. What's this supposed to mean even?

[Anonymous No.9194986]

>>9193541
Theme is Plutonia

[Anonymous No.9194990]

>>9194930
It might just be a flaw of the original scripting that's more noticeable because of the faster combat. I just had an issue with the second Heresiarch fight in Gibbet where it wouldn't open up the rest of the fight after killing the four chaos serpents. Apparently that script just breaks if you kill more than one serpent at a time. I had to not use firestorm even though it was the obvious best choice for four tightly-packed serpents.

[Anonymous No.9195010]

>>9193631

[Anonymous No.9195021]

I took an entire nap, wrote 3k words in a webnovel, came back, and realized I'm fucking retarded.
I can't believe how good this looks. Am I crazy for thinking that?

[Anonymous No.9195027]

>>9194295
it's over

[Anonymous No.9195029]

>>9195021
i like it.
what is that novel about? is it sexy?

[Anonymous No.9195030]

>>9195021
Ingame. Honestly, my assessment of my own intelligence has fallen so much in the last 15 minutes. All I did was frankensprite a desaturated part of the original pgun onto this and it's incredible. I spent like 2 hours trying to get shading to look good on the last section when I could have just grabbed a sprite with shading already in it.

[Anonymous No.9195034]

>>9195021
Nice work.

[Anonymous No.9195035]

>>9194913
>stuff

[Anonymous No.9195036]

>>9195021
>>9195030
Just because you're slow doesn't mean you're dumb. Looks pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.9195043]

>>9195029
It's a novel about a futuristic human-like AI that was used as a warbot being incarnated into an actual human body on a weird planet where everyone can heal super fast and do short-range magic shit, for the purpose of doing some nebulous objective because he doesn't like to ask questions and that's exactly what whoever put him there was looking for in a... employee. Hilarity ensues as many, many murders occur, and conspiracy abounds in the background. I'm not doing it justice, because writing a blurb for it is fucking insanely hard. It's not as anime as you probably think. If you're one of the ~110 people following it right now, please don't out me on Royal Road. Also monday's chapter is my favorite from Volume 1.
So how about that Doom?
>>9195034
>>9195036
Me am pretty sure me am dumb man, but me like votes of confidence. Probably going to use this one in the next Babel version then, assuming I don't end up seeing something I hate about it. I might also spruce up some more sprites, idk. I'm also trying to make the chaingun sound a bit meatier, but it's hard.

[Anonymous No.9195052]

>>9194648
>hell closet
too bad there's no sound

[Anonymous No.9195057]

>>9195043
>Me am pretty sure me am dumb man, but me like votes of confidence
I've been making sprites for awhile now, so take my word when I say: That plasma gun's pretty good. That's a good usage of assets to make a slick frankensprite.

[Anonymous No.9195060]

>>9195052
>too bad there's no sound
That's where you're wrong.
https://www.twitch.tv/fortofhardknox/clip/HumbleMushySheepPeteZarollTie?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[Anonymous No.9195061]

>>9195057
Well hey, like everything in Babel it's free to take if you or anyone else wants to use it. Original sprite was credited to Shadesmaster & JoeyTD, in case anyone cares.

[Anonymous No.9195062]

>>9195060
kek

[Anonymous No.9195065]

>>9195061
good attitude to have, but if I was gonna do anything, I'd give you an updated set of Plasma SMG sprites.
Fug u FKERguy, I know you're Babel guy nowadays, but you'll always be FKERguy to me.

[Anonymous No.9195074]

>>9195060
geez some people have to relax,its just a game

[Anonymous No.9195076]

>>9195065
I'm kind of genuinely shocked that nobody has ripped any of my code considering that I've pretty much tried to force it on people whenever the topic comes up. I do check mods occasionally just to see if they're using it when someone does something similar, but I guess I'm 2obscure. Working as intended I suppose, unless it's just that my code is horrible unreadable garbage in which case lol.
Fug u Kegan I like your PSMG the way it is u giant fag. I had fun making it look less bent.

[Anonymous No.9195078]

>>9194913
>rekkr psx
when

[Anonymous No.9195081]

>>9193631
Conkoff.

[Anonymous No.9195084]

>>9195078
this.

[Anonymous No.9195095]

>>9193085
Doom 3 it's just Halo with Demons. I have played for 40 minutes and dropped.

[Anonymous No.9195103]

Heh, I don't have the original but I still have this gif from when I was making it symmetrical

[Anonymous No.9195107]

>>9195081
is this a floating, sentient gun?

[Anonymous No.9195108]

>>9195095
>Halo with demons
What a retarded thing to say, makes me think you didn't play Halo ever at all.

[Anonymous No.9195118]

>>9195103
[aggressive wobbling]
also I happen to still have the old .xcf I made for you years ago. Amazing how far I've come since this, because looking at how this sprite is made of like 11 layers, you can tell I didn't have much confidence in what I was doing.
But by God did I try

[Anonymous No.9195124]

>>9195118
>But by God did I try
And in the end, it was good enough. Honestly, the other weapon I was looking for new sprites for was the regular SMG. I had a few things I was working on but nothing fit right. I suppose I'm just one of those guys who's never satisfied unless he sits down and physically presses a finalize button.

[Anonymous No.9195125]

>>9195107
Hideous Destructor. When your standard issue space-age piece of shit shoots too much it cooks off and continues to fire even when you drop it.
Since I replaced its sprites, I needed to replace the rotations for when it's dropped like this.
>>9195103
>>9195118
Fuck the alpha machine gun sprites, seriously. It's nigh-fucking-impossible to line everything up when basing something on them.

[Anonymous No.9195128]

>>9195125
Yeah, I had to pretty much just add an entire extra column of pixels to my version to get stuff to start lining up. if you put them side by side you can see that mine's a bit thicker.

[Anonymous No.9195147]

>>9195124
>And in the end, it was good enough.
and that means a lot, I was pretty proud to have contributed to Babel. But you know that.
>I suppose I'm just one of those guys who's never satisfied unless he sits down and physically presses a finalize button.
I have the same problem, but even then, I've already made the decision to give all of my mods one last update as a sendoff.
Maybe even the original Blastmaster. Could at least make weapon switching not fucking awful.

[Anonymous No.9195149]

>>9195108
Gus expansion when
Half-life
Opposing Force
Blue Shift
all scientific principles. how would this one get named?

[Anonymous No.9195153]

>>9194197
>end of the barrels is a heart

[Anonymous No.9195157]

>>9195153
>always have been

[Anonymous No.9195159]

>>9195081
Is that a FAMAS?

[Anonymous No.9195161]

>>9195157
Shotgun is love.
Shotgun is life.

[Anonymous No.9195171]

>>9195147
>I was pretty proud to have contributed to Babel. But you know that.
If only GayMOTA was a ZScript mod I'd be able to return the favor. I'm totally useless at Zandy ACS and Decorate. After using all the more "modern" tools it feels like coding with one hand tied behind my back. Hell, even the first version of Babel was like that compared to the newest one. So many fucking inventory hacks, good god.
Anyhow this was one of the candidates for the new SMG that I threw out. Based on some sprite by a guy called YukiHerz or something, with a few edits. I even made flash frames for it.

[Anonymous No.9195175]

>>9195171
That "ay" was supposed to be spoilered but okay.

[Anonymous No.9195197]

>>9195171
>>9195175
It's ok, GMOTA is a sausagefest so it's expected, even Kustam has a girthy purple shaft.

[Anonymous No.9195217]

>>9195197
Look I can't be putting love interests in my big dumb doom mod but
Blaz marries a pyromancer grill eventually
Samson gets with a dragoness
Kustam doesn't get with anyone but he still brings a successor into the world one day
I got a lot of shit planned once I break off from Doom mods. If I can even realize half of them I can die happy.

[Anonymous No.9195218]

>>9194913
>kek
>baron
>cry

[Anonymous No.9195224]

>>9195171
Speaking of this SMG, I actually have this semi-standalone version sitting around where it ghetto-replaces the chaingun https://files.catbox.moe/2yaibr.pk3
Really kinda puts the weapon's power into perspective when you use it against "normal" enemies.

[Anonymous No.9195230]

>>9195078
Is there a large demand for that?

[Anonymous No.9195237]

>>9195218
>picrel
i wish there was a remus TC based on his art

[Anonymous No.9195247]

>>9195217
>Samson gets with a dragoness

So this is actually about him?

[Anonymous No.9195316]

>>9195161

[Anonymous No.9195373]

>>9195218
>>9195237
there's a lot of designs in fanart i wish were converted into mods

[Anonymous No.9195376]

>>9195373
Same

[Anonymous No.9195382]

>>9195376
>Wario Land 666

[Anonymous No.9195401]

>just completed Earthen Depths in Hands of Necromancy

Hooo boy, what a ride. This is how you do a 45+ minute-long map. It's not perfect, but it really feels like a huge adventure, like an entire Demon's Souls world squeezed into one map.

[Anonymous No.9195421]

>The Shores of Zdoom
>when

[Anonymous No.9195442]

which one for you lads?

[Anonymous No.9195450]

>>9195442
Software

[Anonymous No.9195462]

>>9195442
Doom

[Anonymous No.9195463]

>>9195442
None of the sector light level names make any sense.
I use "bright" because despite the name it makes dark sectors a little darker compared to the default sector light mode but not as dark as software style

[Anonymous No.9195464]

>>9195442
Software

[Anonymous No.9195467]

>>9195421
>2011
holy shit when

[Anonymous No.9195510]

>>9195421
After Thy Flesh GZDoomed

[Anonymous No.9195526]

>>9194295
gotem

[Anonymous No.9195531]

>>9194295
dumbbros.... we lost.....

[Anonymous No.9195542]

>>9194295

[Anonymous No.9195560]

>>9194913
>basically chance friends
>awesome city
>arti doomguy
>KILL BOSS
>classic retarded

>>9195103
It looks happy.

[Anonymous No.9195563]

>>9194913
>farthing
bongs get out

[Anonymous No.9195564]

>>9195442
Standard, unless I'm playing something where the author specified the light level, like Ashes.

[Anonymous No.9195570]

>>9195230
lol, that was me
isn't rekkr one of the official doom addons?

[Anonymous No.9195571]

>>9195570
It is now.

[Anonymous No.9195572]

>>9195571
well, I guess revae got his happy ending

[Anonymous No.9195576]

>>9194295

[Anonymous No.9195585]

>>9195230
>>9195570
It's ok I made sure to tickle Revae's balls too.
>>9195570
I think it's the free one and not the full thing on the Unity one.

[Anonymous No.9195586]

What are the most aesthetically pleasing Doom wads?

[Anonymous No.9195593]

>>9195572
>>9195571
Has been for a while. Sunken Land released after it was already an addon.
I'm generally happy.
>>9195570
It sells maybe two a day average. I don't keep close tabs on it.

[Anonymous No.9195597]

>>9195585
Thank you for your service.

[Anonymous No.9195598]

>>>9195230
I pirated Sunken Land and still haven't played it.
I promise I'll give you a 20 if I ever go to Cali, don't hurt me Revae.

[Anonymous No.9195605]

>>9193631
Spess, ze final frontier, these are the voyages of a mapper nobody gives a shit about.

[Anonymous No.9195608]

>>9195597
I want my medal too

[Anonymous No.9195610]

>>9195597
Thanks for making a genuinely fucking fun mod/standalone gaem.

[Anonymous No.9195623]

>>9195586
augzen's sign textures have a cool scanline effect in software rendering and it also has DECORATE for custom dynamic lights in newer sourceports
and it has Deckardguy

[Anonymous No.9195653]

Old-games.ru hates doom 3 and hl2

[Anonymous No.9195656]

Fuck man, making an itch.io page look good is a bit hard. You need a tiling background image and everything. Sheeit.
I noticed at least 3 spelling errors on the old Babel site and I'm ashamed

[Anonymous No.9195660]

>>9195653
I dont care you autistic retard

[Anonymous No.9195663]

>>9195660
They are actual boomers who love retro games.

[Anonymous No.9195669]

>>9195660
Report and hide dumb faggots so their dumb faggotry gets deleted.

[Anonymous No.9195673]

>>9195586
Ancient Aliens and >>9195623

[Anonymous No.9195686]

>>9195598
Not even bovvered bruvver.
>>9195608
Uh. You get. Uh. Uh. Gold star of... Heroism.

[Anonymous No.9195704]

>>9195586
For some reason, I'm oddly fond of Moon Blood for being such a simple and chill mapset.

[Anonymous No.9195708]

>>9195586
Depends on your choice of aesthetics, I'm partial to some of the Chainworm Kommando maps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQMbNb4G7pM

[Anonymous No.9195861]

>make gunshot sound in DarkAudacity
>Sounds good, nice and powerful
>Put into GZDoom
>pitch shifts up by like 30% and all the bass is gone
I fucking hate this audio engine. Damn my autism of not wanting to use anything but 11025Hz to match the original audio. I just want a chaingun sound that sounds the same ingame as it does in editor, fuck.

[Anonymous No.9195920]

>>9195861
i never know what to use as samplerate and scaling solution. i like linear for some reason.

[Anonymous No.9195936]

>>9195593
You ever tried getting a youtuber to play it?

[Anonymous No.9195940]

>>9194290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX_Kb0cDN98
Best FPS soundtrack

[Anonymous No.9195943]

>>9195936
Didn't Dwars play it?

[Anonymous No.9196008]

>>9195861
Why bother using 11025Hz in GZDoom? The main "good" thing about GZDoom is the fact that it's the only sourceport that properly upscales audio to higher samplerates unlike other sourceports.

[Anonymous No.9196009]

>>9195936
Not really, no. I had a leftover key after giving keys to friends and family, so I shot it at Civvie, but with not expectations or request. I don't know if it was even registered.
>>9195943
He did. Sunken Land, too. Watched those.

[Anonymous No.9196010]

>>9196008
Powerful autistic forces compel me to try to not have one piece of audio with a way higher sampling rate than the rest.

[Anonymous No.9196015]

>>9196010
Fair enough, I respect hardworking autism when I see it.

[Anonymous No.9196019]

>>9196015
Yeah I mean worst case scenario I just leave it as-is which is a bass-deepened DSPISTOL so whatever. I was just hoping I could get something even better. I might be obsessing because I searched Babel on youtube for the first time in almost 5 years recently and the only real complaint I saw from the one guy who played it was about sound. Well, that and getting bonered by revvies, but that part was intentional.

[Anonymous No.9196027]

>>9194734
Junko

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/j-l/junko

[Anonymous No.9196092]

>>9194804
lol
>>9194827
>>9194829
Perhaps one day, there's gonna be something good for Keen... You wish, yeah.
>>9194913
>anon mods
>thief btw
>rest fight
>>9195043
>Royal Road
How it is there? Only good for original nonsense or fanfic shit is fine there too. Some anon on /adv/ suggested Archive of Your Own for this type of thing a long time ago, but I still haven't really looked into it.
>>9195078
I think Sunken Land already has controller support since it's on GZDoom by default. It might be feasible to make it look closely to Playstation version, but I'm not sure: haven't messed another that engine and REKKR setting in my rushed playthrough.

[Anonymous No.9196121]

>>9196092
If you change the levels format making colored sectors should be fairly trivial.
Other than that what else does the psx version have? Animated sky... Less detail.

[Anonymous No.9196130]

>>9196121
dark ambient music and reverbs are important too.

[Anonymous No.9196153]

>>9196092
>spoiler
NTA but Ao3 is a cesspit of weird bullshit, I'd avoid using it

[Anonymous No.9196263]

Ke**n is a cute!
A Cute!!!

[Anonymous No.9196281]

>composes the most ephemeral, haunting .MIDIs I've ever heard
>put them in map full of funny nose boogers and a map where you fight an angry fat man who eats your mushrooms
wonder if he still does music after doom

[Anonymous No.9196287]

>>9196263
No one should be put on a pedestal. I sure as hell don't want to be. You've said this before, there's no need to repeat yourself.
Cus really all you'll be doing in the long run is annoying other anons here.

[Anonymous No.9196314]

>>9196287
Sorry for repeating myself, I just could help it because it's true. I'll try to restrain myself from now on though.

[Anonymous No.9196328]

>>9196314
If you could just not post at all anymore, that would really be best

[Anonymous No.9196340]

>>9196263
>>9196287
samefag

[Anonymous No.9196348]

>>9196121
>Other than that what else does the psx version have?
Darker HUD. And what >>9196130, at the very least.
>>9196153
I knew that something just seemed odd about it, but wouldn't ask for details. This is not the right place for it and I'm not sure if I wanna know.
>>9196263
No, he's short and smells bad. (^:

[Anonymous No.9196356]

>>9196340
You're not a very bright boy.

[Anonymous No.9196392]

>>9195442
Software, it's the closest to actual software render.

[Anonymous No.9196402]

>>9193615
Washed out visuals is the worst meme plaguing the idea of an authentic retro aesthetic.

All the old Quake games are supposed to saturate beyond 100% brightness. It's only disabled due to OpenGL limitations. Restoring it can have a huge impact on visual fidelity, especially with more realistic environments seen in Half-Life.

[Anonymous No.9196410]

>>9196402
I take it the Steam version still hasn't fixed this? I know it had no overbrights for the longest time

[Anonymous No.9196414]

>>9196402
Can't you fake it by setting gamma to 1.3 and then increasing contrast?

[Anonymous No.9196420]

How do you feel about the fact that DOOM was renamed into DOOM 1993?
I think NUDOOM should have been renamed into DOOM 2016

[Anonymous No.9196423]

>>9196420
sauce?

[Anonymous No.9196424]

>>9196423

[Anonymous No.9196426]

>>9196424
>MARINAX
kek

[Anonymous No.9196435]

>>9195230
I would buy REKKR as a gift for every of my Steam friends, but I don't have any. I unironicalky think it is that good

[Anonymous No.9196449]

>>9196410
It actually never really worked to begin with, or rather, it has always worked.
You can hack the driver to disable multitexturing, and then it will work.
>>9196414
No, there is a hard limit on how bright the lighting can get. The best you can do is to just set brightness to 0, which should at least make things a bit more contrasty.

[Anonymous No.9196451]

Any recommendation for Doom 3 mods ? I finished it once when it came out and I was thinking about replaying it.

(wtf is that captcha)

[Anonymous No.9196462]

>>9196423
Well it was already fucked up censored version.
PS1 final doom is still grate

[Anonymous No.9196501]

>>9193715
I forgive you for not liking the start of Doom 64 as it doesnt get good until episode 2, which starts on map07 or whatever the dead simple clone is. The music is based, though. Play Doom 64 while listening to Dr Pierce and it sounds like you're listening to a Fallout radio station https://archive.org/details/William-Pierce-Archive/Pierce-20000812+-+The+Significance+of+the+Holocaust.mp3

[Anonymous No.9196525]

>its been almost 3 weeks since my last post >>9141215 ending things on a cliffhanger
Okay now that I solved the predicament regarding my "'accidental vacation'" I can continue and finish what I wanted to do almost half a month prior . . .

[Anonymous No.9196570]

>>9196451
I was ready to unroll my list of great custom campaigns but then realised you probably mean the main game enhancements. For that I can recommend these:
Doom 3 Essential HD Pack. Current go-to HD mod: https://www.moddb.com/mods/d3hdp-doom-3-essential-hd-pack
CED's Assets Pack. Weapon overhaul, new animations and such. Pick this if you want to make your Doom 3 harder, more survival horror-like (think Killing Floor, Resident Evil): https://www.moddb.com/downloads/ceds-assets-pack
Fragging Free. A huge mod which has it's own campaign but also allows to play Vanilla/ROE. Personally I really hate it for being a mish-mash of things which ruin the atmosphere (Unreal-like dashes, demon summon/possesion, powerups, slow-mo, etc.), but if you look for high-speed action it might be for you: https://www.moddb.com/mods/fragging-free

[Anonymous No.9196580]

>>9196525
I had to cheat a little when fighting the Bane unfortunetely , as he kept rezzing the Dragons and a pair of Shambers I hadn't got a chance to gib before he appeared - and without knowing that he can clone himself

[Anonymous No.9196595]

>>9194295
i don't get it

[Anonymous No.9196597]

>set pm_speed to 300 in console
>game goes from "quake 2 but good" to "quake 2 but better in every conceivable way"
you fuckers lied to me this is great
the guns and weapon switching are a ton more responsive and impactful and the enemies can actually fucking kill you and the corridors are wide enough to bhop / slide around with ease
wtf

[Anonymous No.9196598]

>>9193756
The brushwork of the big protusion in the lower left image is based around a huge cock and balls.
I had to add a penis into my maps somewhere.

[Anonymous No.9196608]

>>9196597
The core mechanics are great, but it does suffer from typical military shooter bullshit. Quake 2 doesn't have turret sections at least.

[Anonymous No.9196609]

>>9196597
I like Quake 4's blaster a lot. It feels good to shoot, even if it's just a pea shooter.

[Anonymous No.9196612]

>>9196597
>>9196608
Also check out Quake 4: False Dawn if you've enjoyed the game, it's basically a high quality fanmade expansion.

[Anonymous No.9196614]

>>9194013
>>9194014
>>9194017
Take me bacc.

[Anonymous No.9196615]

>>9196597
Yeah it becomes fun when you get good movement speed, but it baffles me they made player before stroggification THAT slow. It's set on 160 I think. What the fuck? Was it just to prove "strogg>humans" story point they were going for?
That and General difficulty is total ass. Otherwise I too consider it better than Q2.

[Anonymous No.9196617]

>>9196615
what's wrong with general? i thought it was just a damage boost to the enemies so i picked it. does it do something that messes up gameplay?

[Anonymous No.9196630]

>>9196617
It also increases their health, to the point of not being able to consistently take out basic grunts with a shotgun blast.

[Anonymous No.9196632]

>>9196630
is there some console/config variable i can set to give them max damage but a respectable amount of hp?

[Anonymous No.9196652]

>>9196570
Thanks a lot ! I think I will try the second one and maybe the third.

[Anonymous No.9196654]

>>9196580
Knowing now that NSoE is unfortunatelty much shorter mapwise to the prior installment (despite most of them being much bigger each), this final level certainly knows how to leave the player fully satisfied nontheless

[Anonymous No.9196658]

>>9196632
Not aware of such.
Looked trough CVARs list (https://modwiki.dhewm3.org/CVars_(Quake_4)), haven't found anything useful. Even Doom 3's "g_damageScale" (which controls damage taken by player) is not present in Q4 for some reason. Bummer.

[Anonymous No.9196660]

>>9194536

[Anonymous No.9196662]

>>9193840
have you ever tried any of these?
Tempered Arms (by Lippeth)
Hexen Rebalance (by ReaperAA)

[Anonymous No.9196669]

>>9196632
>>9196658
Although several cheat sites list "g_damageScale" as legit command in Quake 4's console. You can try it. I don't have the game nearby so I can't test it myself.

[Anonymous No.9196671]

I forgot I recorded this

[Anonymous No.9196708]

>>9196654
Hexen's elite archers are a major PITA, glad this is the only place map they are present
>read the archives lately and learnt that VR-anon wanted to implement a throwable Mjolnir - well this mod actually has that implemmented as a feature

[Anonymous No.9196716]

>>9196708
No idea if there's any other mod that features this gun (MIRV launcher), and the only 2 instances to check it out are either too hectic or purely a mop-up affair so you cant even compare it to a normal RL on regular monsters - and I swear this weapon should consume 5 rockets at each shot but doesn't do that for some reason, feels incredibly broken even if each projectile is only half as strong as a normal rocket

[Anonymous No.9196738]

>>9196716
What custom map/mod is it?

[Anonymous No.9196750]

I think Doom 3 would have worked great if it had been a spinoff and not a main game in the franchise.
If it had been titled "red hell" or something like that, it would be considered one of the best fps in history

[Anonymous No.9196770]

>>9196608
>>9196630
>modern milshit shooter tropes
>blood health difficulty scaling
i think i spoke too soon

[Anonymous No.9196772]

>>9192829
>[8-17] GOG versions of Doom now offer re-release ports
>https://twitter.com/GOGcom/status/1559903276094656513
what are these exactly?!

[Anonymous No.9196775]

>>9196750
>this game would be better if absolutely nothing changed about it
holy shit

[Anonymous No.9196782]

my only complaint about quake 4 so far is the grenade launcher is held like a shotgun so i blow myself up thinking i'm going for a meatshot

[Anonymous No.9196790]

>>9196750
That's how I consider it. It's also comfortably modded, a standard I wish wasn't lost on the newer ones.

[Anonymous No.9196806]

>>9196750
Not really since besides the "bruhhh it's not how classic doom plays!!!" it had severe issues in gameplay like the weak shotgun,weak assault rifle, lack of proper feedback on enemies.

At least for me, especially the feedback from gunplay is important, which is why the first FEAR still holds up to some extent, the impact the weapons have on enemies is excellent (but that game is held back by it's lack of enemy variety and you move like a glacier)

[Anonymous No.9196808]

>>9195373
i do know one of drla monsters, it's pain elemental boss tier monster, the fan art depicted it having a vagina but it's not present in the sprited version.

[Anonymous No.9196820]

>>9196750
>>9196806
I don't mind the weapons, I think they're alright. But I don't like how most encounters are like that one room in E1M3 where you get a key and then lights turn off and an enemy closet opens.

[Anonymous No.9196826]

>>9196806
Modded 3 mogs FEAR for me. I'll see what I can do for FEAR because those slow tracers really suck the fun out, and I didn't remember the G2 sounding this shitty.

[Anonymous No.9196836]

>>9196806
>>9196826
Also speaking of FEAR, is there any noteworthy custom campaign/mod content for it?

[Anonymous No.9196860]

>>9196263
anon, this is the /doom/ not the fighting game general.

[Anonymous No.9196872]

>>9196836
As a new set of levels, FEAR Resurrection appears the most promising but I've not played it.

[Anonymous No.9196923]

>hexercise mage's mana transfers are affected by the 50% ammo bonus on skill 4
now this is wizardry

[Anonymous No.9196935]

>>9196923
Is that Deathkings? I recently got to that same level through High Noon Drifter, weird timing.

[Anonymous No.9196954]

>>9196772
>what are these exactly?!
So-called "Unity ports" from 2019 that were released on pretty much everything. You still get original versions wrapped in DOSBox (which >>9192830 should've also noted just in case; like, "now also offer") there. Similarly to how it worked for classic DOOM's on Steam. And Quake after its re-release came out. And some other FPS with recent listing changes.

[Anonymous No.9196968]

>>9196708
And as you can see it also has a seperate "ammo count" that regenerates on its own, unlike how it works in SoA

[Anonymous No.9196976]

>>9196708
are those thief textures?
>>9196420
more like doom 4 or better yet: doom (subtitle)
fuck same name entries in a series

[Anonymous No.9196981]

>>9196954
Man I remember when the Unity ports got blasted to hell when they came out, but after a couple patches they were lauded. To be fair, though, they're good ports for what they are.

[Anonymous No.9196986]

>>9196782
I don't understand this one fully, do you like how it looks in Q3A, i.e. a stupid dinky lil pistol thingy which inexplicably shoots hand-thrown pineapples almost as big as itself?
I kinda dig how it's depicted as a throwback to Q1's miniature grenade launcher used by the Ogres instead of the players weapon itself

[Anonymous No.9196998]

>>9196738
New Soul of Evil - Indian Summer
Essentialy a predecessor to the Drakemod by Tronyn

>>9196976
Might as well be - I only played the demos of both first Thief(s) as a kiddo around 2000/2

[Anonymous No.9197001]

I would just like to use this anonymous chinese noodle painting discord to rant that carmack's arrogance really fucking triggers me and "keen technologies" is going to be a dumb boondoggle like everything else this guy has done after quake1 or so. a fucking psycho that has been unchecked by his peers his whole life and believes too much in himself, it's going to be a fucking shitshow. screw him and his arrogance, i'm glad 'masters of doom' and his ex-wifes twitter are around to make it clear he fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.9197035]

>>9197001
Venture capital is a fun thing, these guys from Stripe and Github who are giving Carmack money - they need to spend these money somewhere. Carmack is still a genius, judt don't take anything around VC-funding at a face value, it is always smoke and mirrors and even actual technical achievements will be inflated 100x to get better next VC round.

[Anonymous No.9197041]

>>9193575
ProTip: never use the Plasma Beamer unless you're playing the Citadel mappack by Andrea Rosa - where it's finally gotten a damage buff to a more reasonable level

[Anonymous No.9197046]

In Ashes Afterglow, can someone show a screenshot where the scavenger you're supposed to find is? I got advice from someone maybe a week ago but either I'm interpreting the advice wrong or the NPC just isn't there.

I'm in the subways right next to the flooded district level changer and I interpreted that the NPC would be here.

[Anonymous No.9197051]

>>9197046
Going to 2063 now, it is in my WAD queue for over year. Should I go with the orig release, or the updated one linked in doomwiki, any notable differences?

[Anonymous No.9197054]

>>9197001
Despite his wife's gripes and obvious twitter editing, she left up the tweet where she said "the Oculus quest wouldn't exist without carmack". Even the person who has an axe to grind can give more credit where due than you - an internet who.

[Anonymous No.9197058]

>>9196662
A good addion to my collection, I've seen the latter, but not the former.

[Anonymous No.9197059]

>>9196750
it was bad all around,bad enemies, boring level design, bad weapons, certainly never scary, and too easy too (even on my steam controller), especially for a more horror-focused FPS.

FEAR, HL or even classic halo holds up so much better

[Anonymous No.9197063]

>>9196981
they're alot more useful for console-frens, and for that, i like the unity port.

[Anonymous No.9197073]

where's the FEAR mapping scene?

[Anonymous No.9197075]

>>9197054
Shame it's tied to Facebook, which utterly fucking ruined Oculus as a whole, shit's so DRM'd people were locked out of theirs when Facebook's servers went down one time.

[Anonymous No.9197079]

>>9197059
FEAR is never really scary (the actual horror moments are pretty lame) but its good at building tension so every combat encounter feels dangerous

[Anonymous No.9197082]

>>9196981
>>9197063
it still crashes on my ps4 when opening some doors in deathless

[Anonymous No.9197083]

>>9197059
>FEAR, HL or even classic halo holds up so much better
Lolno to FEAR, maybe to HL, and maybe/yes to Halo. Half Life has lots of level and encounter variety despite being so linear, and Halo isn't bound by the same small rooms for combat as Doom 3 and FEAR are.

[Anonymous No.9197097]

>>9197051
I just got the standalone version, don't know anything about version differences, sorry :( .

But I can tell you 2063 and Afterglow have both been amazing! Great atmosphere, weapons with good feedback (firing sounds, power, effects on enemies ) and a lot of secrets / easter eggs. Enjoy!

>>9197046
Also, I found this JUST as I had posted.

[Anonymous No.9197107]

>>9197079
they are lame, but still better than what was in DOOM3, a 3/10 is better than a 1/10 even if both are bad at it.
though id agree on the tention.
>>9197083
had way more fun in all 3 than DOOM 3, though it took me awhile to truly warm-up to halo.

[Anonymous No.9197108]

>>9196981
>To be fair, though, they're good ports for what they are.
Yep. Good starting point from newcomers on PC, mobile and (especially) consoles. It would've been neat if they added alternative variations of HUD from older console ports though.

[Anonymous No.9197128]

>>9196402

[Anonymous No.9197137]

>>9197051
Pretty sure the sprites in the original weren't as good as they are now. It also has better sounds and ambience in maps. You want the updated version.

[Anonymous No.9197139]

>>9197075
You can disconnect that shit easily, but I agree. Noting to do with Carmack though, as he was purely focused on the tech side of things.

[Anonymous No.9197158]

>>9196402
>>9197128
post-processing might be the solution

[Anonymous No.9197196]

>>9196750
Nobody would have played this game, if it wasn't part of Doom franchise. Carmack basically fucked up by making too heavy engine, and they had gimp the gameplay to make fps game out of it. Quake 2 had more complex AI and all previous id titles already more satisfying counterparts for weapons. Doom 3 fails as a horror game, first person shooter and as a Doom game. If I had something good to say about it, at least it cares about it's own lore and atmosphere. Developers created the game with love for Doom, but Carmack basically ruined it because of his ego and desire to make an engine that wasn't suited for gaming back then.

(I do howerer like Doom 3 more than the Dooms that came after it. I occasionally do play it, but it's far from masterpiece.)

[Anonymous No.9197202]

>>9197046
right where you're facing, behind what I'm looking at there's a staircase

[Anonymous No.9197207]

>>9197196
>Nobody would have played this game, if it wasn't part of Doom franchise.
Nonsense.

[Anonymous No.9197226]

>>9197196
>Nobody would have played this game, if it wasn't part of Doom franchise
Highly disagree with you there.

[Anonymous No.9197234]

>>9197046
>>9197202
TFW I prefer the original version of Ashes over Afterglow and Enriched.

[Anonymous No.9197246]

>>9197234
why?

[Anonymous No.9197258]

>>9197246
Feels like it loses something when it got cleaned up into the later stuff.

The older sprites feel more in line with stuff like Fallout and stuff that was trying to be bootleg Fallout in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.9197262]

>>9197158
Ports with all standard OpenGL 1.x functions are enough. You probably only need shaders if you are really autistic about replicating software effects such as water warping.

[Anonymous No.9197276]

>>9197083
Goddamn, I was expecting this shotgun to be thrown, killing the enemy.

[Anonymous No.9197286]

>>9197258
Is revolver with oversized casings one of them?

[Anonymous No.9197302]

>>9197083
I always wondered how mixing up the gunplay of FEAR with more traditional FPS designs would pan out. Could you have a working horde/arena shooter with FEAR's slow movement and gun accuracy?

[Anonymous No.9197307]

Is Alien World Order worth playing?

[Anonymous No.9197316]

>>9197302
Selaco claims to be partly FEAR inspired. It's not very horde though.

[Anonymous No.9197323]

>>9197307
Yes it's very good. You can play it through Raze.

[Anonymous No.9197336]

Does anyone has the "finished" version of Quake 2 Unseen with the Cutscenes included?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBpmyLUYUUw

[Anonymous No.9197337]

>>9197316
>It's not very horde though.
I should have probably said slaughter.

[Anonymous No.9197338]

I had a horrible idea to make certain enemies who stop shooting when you break LOS have a wait time where they'll pop you the instant you peek out of cover, but I thought better of it once I tried it and realized how fucking awful it was to play with.
In other news, I have "fixed" a "balance issue" with Cacodemons and Barons where the spread attacks they do tend to have way too much width over time. Through the power of ZScript, you will now actually be able to strafe these attacks at range in semi-wide hallways, and you will get absolutely fucked by them in narrow hallways (haven't worked out how to avoid that yet). Still tweaking the exact width they get to, but initial estimates look playable. This also has the side effect of slightly reducing the melee power of these combo attacks due to how it changes their underlying implementation, which is good because they were too strong in the Cacodemon's case.
>>9196092
>How it is there?
Basically if you aren't writing something on-meta it's hard as fuck to get followers. I'm not writing something on-meta, because the meta is LitRPG progression fantasy with very easy-to-digest character stereotypes and near-zero foreshadowing. It's not a bad site though. I've been looking for another site to post to in tandem but most of the others are even worse, AO3 included.

[Anonymous No.9197354]

>>9197302
>Could you have a working horde/arena shooter with FEAR's slow movement and gun accuracy?
That sounds like Serious Sam 3 or 4, so yeah it could work. I thought those were fun, especially once 3 got updated.
>>9197107
I give vanilla Doom 3 a 5 or 6/10 once it's on Nightmare, the 25 limit without medkits makes for some fun and actually threatening segments. BFG Edition just sucks all around in spite of the framerate boost.

[Anonymous No.9197358]

>>9197336
Nvm, found on a fucking 4shared link with vicpas patches and videos included
https://legendsworld.net/shooter/game/6626

i will upload on moddb for guarantee later on

[Anonymous No.9197367]

>>9197338
>fight Babel cacos shortly before Babel guy talks about cacos
This has been an interesting day so far.

[Anonymous No.9197374]

>>9197338
say babel guy, quick question, are you planning on potentially also releasing your Zscript videos on zdoom forums and the likes?
I don't expect you to do so for youtube but other mirrors of the video would be useful.

[Anonymous No.9197381]

>>9197367
What do they call that? Synchronicity? I actually did an update to their AI to improve the dodging too, but sometimes I feel like I actually made them dumber.
>>9197374
You mean the ones from like 2017? I forgot the password to that account, so probably not. I don't really care if someone else rips them though. Personally I think they could be done better, I was kinda just winging it at the time.

[Anonymous No.9197384]

>>9197354
3 is my favorite in the series, mostly because it doesn't trap you in tiny arenas with enemies spawning right next to you every other minute. The ADS is honestly just a gimmick that might as well not have been there, it's a good Doom-esque otherwise.

[Anonymous No.9197392]

>>9197381
>What do they call that? Synchronicity?
Yes

[Anonymous No.9197393]

>>9196923
Kinda fitting isn't it? Considering what the difficulty settings imply

[Anonymous No.9197403]

>>9194913
>better level maybe
I AM ALREADY TRYING YOU FUCK

[Anonymous No.9197405]

I was debating doubling the caco's xscale for this to make a joke.
I'm thinking though, that maybe having the projectiles spread wider faster is a good way to have them not utterly skullfuck the player in hallways, since there are maps where you need to hug walls to bait projectiles into them. Not as relevant with the caco, but with the Baron it's a consideration.

[Anonymous No.9197415]

>>9197338
>I had a horrible idea to make certain enemies who stop shooting when you break LOS have a wait time where they'll pop you the instant you peek out of cover, but I thought better of it once I tried it and realized how fucking awful it was to play with.
Is it weird that, no matter what difficulty, or sourceport I play, this exact thing happens even with vanilla monsters? I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if the RNG hates me, but everything I play now, chaingunners that are already alerted and around the corner are a lot more dangereous than closets chockfull of them. At least the closets give me a split second to react before they start winding up for an attack, though it happens with every projectile throwing monster as well.

[Anonymous No.9197419]

Is Wolfenstein 2009 any good? Not retro I know but its kinda a sequel to RTCW so close enough

[Anonymous No.9197421]

>>9197415
>Is it weird that, no matter what difficulty, or sourceport I play, this exact thing happens even with vanilla monsters?
Not really, the vanilla monsters kind of emulate this with a chance to stop firing, and if you're super unlucky it certainly looks like this is happening. What I did though, was make a state where a monster could stop and anticipate dishing out an attack (the mancubus specifically), waiting until it could see you before doing so. Doubly fucked by the fact that it worked with chain attacks for them, so if you dodged one's blasts the follow-up mancubi would just hold and wait to see you, then blast you. I mean don't get me wrong, it was a neat behavior, but just like the (horribly processor incinerating due to my own retardation) cover-taking logic I experimented with in the early ZS versions, it would probably have made gameplay unfun.

[Anonymous No.9197431]

What are some good survival horror-like close to vanilla WADs?
No Hideous Destructor please, something more mid-term

[Anonymous No.9197436]

>>9197419
i spent an hour tinkering with settings and trying to make the mouse input usable and then realized it's one of those games with regenerating health where your gun is completely useless unless you aim down sights
i was so exasperated by this that i never finished the first mission

[Anonymous No.9197460]

>>9197316
Selaco really isn't F.E.A.R at all, and most of that shit is them going "we have smart AI" and even F.E.A.R didn't really.

[Anonymous No.9197462]

>>9197431
Again, Unloved.

[Anonymous No.9197469]

>>9197460
Selaco devs never said they were F.E.A.R.. People need to stop assuming that using inspiration from a title means making an exact copy. The ideas are clearly there while still being very much its own game.

Play Trepang if you want an uninspired version of FEAR

[Anonymous No.9197470]

>>9197460
"partially inspired" you absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.9197474]

>>9196806
What a shit looking character.

Also why is the blood of the enemy's pink in the demo?

[Anonymous No.9197475]

>>9197302
It does not have slow-mo, but Selaco is what you are describing. It is pretty much Doom meets FEAR

[Anonymous No.9197480]

>>9197469
Trepang is so blatantly just FEAR that its hilarious, still keeping an eye on it though. FEAR but with better movement is a good enough premise to get me interested.

[Anonymous No.9197483]

>>9197480
And it looks like system shock 2. Which is a point in its favour. Fear looks like nothing.

[Anonymous No.9197485]

>>9197483
Trepang looks like System Shock? I think you mean Selaco

[Anonymous No.9197489]

>>9197485
Yes I meant selaco. I quoted the wrong post.>>9197475

[Anonymous No.9197493]

>>9197474
Dawn is awesome stfu

[Anonymous No.9197501]

>>9197493

The art of the characters looks like utter shit her included.

Well at least its not hedon levels of bad art.

[Anonymous No.9197505]

>>9197501
To each their own retard

[Anonymous No.9197506]

>>9197475
>It does not have slow-mo, but Selaco is what you are describing.
Not by default as far as I know, but it could be modded in. Selaco is just gzdoom with a coat of paint and there are slowmo mods for it.
>>9197474
>What a shit looking character.
At least she's cute rather than ion fury.
>pink blood
Aliens, I think. Or androids. You can change it in options.
>>9197501
I enjoy the thiccness, at least it has character.

[Anonymous No.9197510]

>>9197493
Shelly, but boring.

[Anonymous No.9197513]

>>9197510
You mean Shelly but interesting. I'm backing the game and they spend a considerable amount of time making her an actual character

[Anonymous No.9197515]

>>9197513
No, I mean Shelly but transsexual.

[Anonymous No.9197526]

>>9197460
>Selaco really isn't F.E.A.R
>spectacular environmental destruction
>exaggerated hit reactions
>mooks primed to flank and flush you
>hard hitting hitscan combat
>intelligent combat chatter

[Anonymous No.9197528]

>>9197515
She's is not, but keep trying.

[Anonymous No.9197529]

>>9197513
Not that anon but I think she looks terrible. She is someone OC snowflake that is for sure.

[Anonymous No.9197541]

>>9197506
If thickness is character, Daina from LTG must have a lot of it

[Anonymous No.9197572]

>>9197469
>Selaco devs never said they were F.E.A.R

>https://twitter.com/SelacoGame/status/1390324689290108928
>Creating F.E.A.R.-like AI in the Doom Engine is no easy task, but improvements are made day after day.
Bro they've mad fucktons of claims of their game is having AI that's like fear.

[Anonymous No.9197576]

>>9197526
The AI in FEAR is still more nuanced, which is fine if Selaco proceeds to make up for it with a faster player and more varied enemy roster. One "Fear-like" thing I hope it doesn't do is have the rest of the game's level design be as boxy as the demo was.

[Anonymous No.9197581]

>>9197541
Our dude's put more character into her and the other two LTG characters than the Seleco devs have put into one character.

[Anonymous No.9197589]

I'm kind of seeing that my inability to make the effect I wanted to years ago might have accidentally been a balance feature. That or I'm bad at video games, but the second one is too painful of an idea to even entertain.

[Anonymous No.9197591]

>>9197572
Yes. But having FEAR-like AI does not mean the whole game will be like FEAR. The Devs on Twitter have said plenty of times that players should not go in expecting a copy of FEAR

[Anonymous No.9197595]

>>9197581
I like the underboob demon.

[Anonymous No.9197597]

>>9197591
They've said they're basing the AI, combat and level design on it, what else is there to be distinctive in the gameplay?

[Anonymous No.9197656]

Wasn't there a way to make half life 3D sound better with console commands, specifically make it not sound like you have a bucket in your head?

[Anonymous No.9197658]

>>9197656
>>9197656
>3D sound better
Reverb*

[Anonymous No.9197682]

>>9197474
>Also why is the blood of the enemy's pink in the demo?
I don't know but it's fucking retarded. And I get upsetti spaghetti when people dismiss the distaste over pink blood as "nitpicking".

Hoping it will be the first thing to be modded away.

>>9197576
The "amazing A.I " in FEAR was in no small part a lot of smoke and mirrors and a lot of attention to detail in giving them places to take cover in, and animations interacting with the environment, and level design was a big part of it. Which isn't to say it's not impressive because it gave the game a big boost but what I'm also saying is that there were a lot more factors to FEAR A.I being perceived good than strictly just the A.I itself.

[Anonymous No.9197686]

>why is the blood purple
>why is the ammo blue

[Anonymous No.9197694]

>>9196660
nah too high effort
>>9194536
here

[Anonymous No.9197695]

I just looked at Selaco's ZS. That was a mistake. Ouch my eyes.
I was hoping there'd be something cool in here in terms of the AI, but it really does just looks like they're using fairly standard "wander when you can't see, aim, shoot, and strafe when you can" logic with a bunch of audio on top to make it seem like more than it is. Not to say that the enemy logic is bad in execution, it's actually quite detailed compared to the more basic stuff in Doom with a lot of extra sprites and stuff, it's just not that "smart" really. I don't even see cover-taking logic in here, which is something you could do fairly easily with custom maps and invisible objects.
So basically it really is just like FEAR

[Anonymous No.9197696]

>>9197682
The AI calling out their actions did so much for it, it convinced the players the AI was super intelligent and they were outsmarting them.

[Anonymous No.9197697]

>>9194913
>quakecon kill
yeah it is
fuckin SUCKS

[Anonymous No.9197710]

Quakecon was dissapointing.

[Anonymous No.9197715]

>>9197710
Was there any Quake during Quakecon?

[Anonymous No.9197719]

>>9197715
No. There were barely any announcements either. Just new content for the Quake Remaster iirc

[Anonymous No.9197724]

>>9196716
Mirv is in Nyarlathotep by Tronyn too
Man I love Tronyn's custom enemies and weapons. Its a shame they aren't used that much outside of his mapsets. He even has a heretic tome of power in arwop and it feels like the best powerup in q1, again, shame its used only once

[Anonymous No.9197726]

>>9197695
ACE_SOLDIER.zsc is outdated. Look at SOLDIER.zsc. Selaco does not use wander

[Anonymous No.9197732]

>>9197474
>Also why is the blood of the enemy's pink in the demo?
They're being controlled by dodgy nanomachines, one of the notes you can find talks about it.

[Anonymous No.9197737]

>>9197695
lol, I remember seeing people playing the demos saying the AI was totally playing against them in a tactical way.

[Anonymous No.9197742]

>>9197737
The code in the image is not used in the demo. Its old

[Anonymous No.9197750]

>>9197726
I dunno man, it looks like the search state in MasterAI.zsc is basically a wander state. This is, admittedly, a gigantic mess that I might be reading wrong, but even if it's not literally calling A_Wander because it isn't using exactly this state, it's pretty much doing the same thing. There's also A_Wander() in A_Track() when there's no target, so...
Like again, I'm not saying this is bad, though the code is messy as all fuck. I'm saying it's not as smart as I expected, sadly.

[Anonymous No.9197753]

>>9197750
Look at the code. It literally uses A* Pathfinding instead of wander. Learn to read code.

[Anonymous No.9197761]

>>9197358
>legendsworld is STILL up and going after all those years
This makes me more happy than it should

[Anonymous No.9197762]

>>9197750
Oh wait, lol, lmao even.
>>9197753
I can see the A*, faggot. Maybe clean your ipk3 next time if you don't want people commenting on unused code.
Also add cover points. You already have A* that presumably works, that shit should be asy.

[Anonymous No.9197768]

>>9197762
Not the dev lol, I've been modding the demo. If you read the News & Updates page in the game it mentions Ai cover and movement options like climbing are added later.

[Anonymous No.9197772]

But what IDE is that? It seems to read Zscript

[Anonymous No.9197781]

>>9197768
>Not the dev lol
Yeah okay buddy, I totally believe you, what with you getting defensive over the dev's code and such.
>If you read the News & Updates page in the game it mentions Ai cover and movement options like climbing are added later
I do not, in fact, read those pages because I don't make a habit of following early access games. I just picked up the demo and looked at it because people started talking about it.
>>9197772
SLADE3's editor.

[Anonymous No.9197783]

>>9197338
Even if I go with meta, I won't get far in terms of following. I'm terrible at advertising shit, if my shitty Blogger blog is anything to go by. It would've been nice, but that shouldn't be a point. It's about trying new thing, challenging yourself and all that stuff. Just trying to take notes here and there for whenever I stop slacking.
So that's just a lucky coincidence. Thank you very much. Got a new bookmark and warned about AO3. And keep up the good work[/spoilers]
>>9197694
NTA, but neat.

>Selaco protagonist is not a copy of Shelly.
>Selaco gameplay is not a copy of F.E.A.R.
At least I know that I shouldn't give F.E.A.R. a try. lol
Much more interested in that soulful Chasm-esque FPS with a bit of Quake & Build Engine stuff thrown into the mix.

[Anonymous No.9197793]

>akshully it's scripted/level driven/smoke and mirrors
every fucking time fear gets mentioned. If there is any appreciation for the spectacle of it, it's always reserved and conditional.
No one mentions how replicas will shoot one-handed while retreating or crawling, showing intense survival drive and versatilty. No one mentions how heartfelt and appropriate their swearing is, except to chuckle.

[Anonymous No.9197803]

>>9197793

It is also not smoke and mirrors either. Part of it is, but a lot of what it is did was extremely impressive, even today. It set the stage for Goal Oriented AI

[Anonymous No.9197807]

>>9197793
It's two issues: Any AI that actually works quickly becomes 'not real AI just an algorithm' as the novelty wears off, and fps games have the additional problem that it's hard for an minor speedbump enemy to demonstrate being smart in the 10 seconds before they inevitably get shot in the face.

[Anonymous No.9197809]

>>9197338
Even if I go with meta, I won't get far in terms of following. I'm terrible at advertising shit, if my shitty Blogger blog is anything to go by. It would've been nice, but that shouldn't be a point. It's about trying new thing, challenging yourself and all that stuff. Just trying to take notes here and there for whenever I stop slacking.
So that's just a lucky coincidence. Thank you very much. Got a new bookmark and warned about AO3. And keep up the good work. Unlike me, who can't even get the spoiler tag right at night.
>>9197694
NTA, but neat.

>Selaco protagonist is not a copy of Shelly.
>Selaco gameplay is not a copy of F.E.A.R.
At least I know that I shouldn't give F.E.A.R a try. Seriously, thanks to Selaco for that because previosuly I didn't bother with looking at F.E.A.R's gameplay. Much more interested in that soulful Chasm-esque FPS with some Quake & Build Engine stuff thrown into the mix though.

[Anonymous No.9197828]

>>9197807
>hard for an minor speedbump enemy to demonstrate being smart in the 10 seconds before they inevitably get shot in the face.
That's always a huge issue. IIRC Duke 3D basic enemies can apparently do a lot but they can die immediately when on screen.
>>9197809
>At least I know that I shouldn't give F.E.A.R a try
If anything, check out a source mod called Underhell. Especially if you liked Insurgency.

[Anonymous No.9197837]

>>9197724
>Even more 'gems & coins' OCD autism
Cool beans fren - might take a look at those sometime later, as I completely forgot that SoE had an "Arena Mode" that I'll quickly check out with some '"remix'" mod I found while looking for both of these earlier . . .

[Anonymous No.9197852]

>>9197828
>you now remember when supplice was related to doom's setting
i wonder if they still have those doom related assets

[Anonymous No.9197864]

>>9197807
There's a pretty good video out there of HL2 having that issue. Where the combine grunts actually have pretty great combat AI, where they'll flank, retreat, and move differently depending on eachothers positions.
But none of it matters because what really happens is you round a corner, snipe one, launch a grenade into 3/5 then sprint up to the next with a shotgun and finish him off. There's no chance for them to appear smart because they're fodder.

[Anonymous No.9197867]

>>9197852
I remember Hedon had parts in it referencing the Doom keycards and shit.

[Anonymous No.9197883]

>>9197867
Hedons code is pretty much Doom tbf. The only custom bits are ACS scripts

[Anonymous No.9197972]

>>9197597
nta, but after playing the demo, the movement, enemies (they already added 2 new enemy types), artstyle/tone, and level design (being much more secret based) are already fairly different.
i wouldn't say its 100% trying to be FEAR again, and the more i played it, the closer i played it to DOOM than a game like FEAR.
>>9197576
afaik, alot of the limits are due to the AI being still not done yet, the release AI should be alot better

[Anonymous No.9197981]

>>9197807
Really the main issue is that there are 3 definitions of "good" AI, and they don't always overlap, but they're all necessary components of an AI.
>AI that is efficient at obstructing the player's progress
>AI that makes the "correct" decision in a scenario
>AI that provides an entertaining gameplay experience
Type 1 is super easy to make, and also not fun at all. An instakill turret with perfect hitscan accuracy is a perfect example of Type 1 taken to the extreme. Less extreme but more realistic versions of this might include stuff like the jackal snipers on Halo 2 Legendary (though you could be forgiven for thinking they're not any different).
Type 2 is "smart" AI, but can usually be gamed in some way and ends up boring in the long run. For example, an AI that will always take cover if being shot at can be forced to take cover by a smart player, making it predictable. FEAR AI is more type 2 than any other type, made a bit better by the fact that by its very nature it can't function at perfect efficiency, so it makes "wrong" decisions that are less predictable.
Type 3 AI is the rarest and hardly ever designed for in FPS. This is a hypothetical AI that is made to push you to the brink, but still let you win and make you satisfied. I see the Marauders in Eternal as an attempt at this. The AI director in L4D is sort of Type 3 as well, which leads into the next point.
AI shouldn't be thought of as just a single enemy, it's the whole set of active enemies at once. Doom's AI is actually pretty good, even though it's also dumb as bricks, because as a whole it provides a very good experience (level design notwithstanding). An imp might be stupid and weak, but a group of imps and cacodemons and a few revenants in the right area is a very fun experience, where you'll have to keep track of many firing lines, weave in and out of projectiles, prioritize targets, and have a lot of freedom in what approaches you take to beat it.
I'd write more, but post too long.

[Anonymous No.9197982]

>>9197828
>Especially if you liked Insurgency.
Not familiar with it. Probably can't even launch it on my potato laptop. To continue with being serious, in both cases it's essentially about the overall vibe I get from the game. When it comes to F.E.A.R, I think it's mostly that specific horror aspect of it doesn't click with me. Don't really care about the genre usually with Blood and another retro FPS being an exception to that rule.
As for the Selaco... It seems secondary and "off-topic" in context of it being a part of the whole retro FPS niche. Unlike a bunch of shovelware you can stumble upon nowadays, I can't perceive it as being in the same group with Ion Fury, REKKR: Sunken Land and other aforementioned titles. Another major point would probably be the protagonist that, aside from being not-Shelly (I remember reading here that "female brunette protagonist" are overused in these FPS), is pushed into the "masses" as 'waifu icon'. You can make a point that whenever specific person think if she's cute or not is subjective opinion, but it just feels like that's all the character has to offer. Which, again, just doesn't make me care about the game as a whole. But most TL;DR here will be "I'm looking for retro FPS and this isn't one, so I skip it".

Don't forget to bake a new thread properly, lads.

[Anonymous No.9197989]

>all this talk about AI.

Do you know why Doom is still fun to play this day?

RNG

We dont need smart enemies, just enough randomness to not make them boring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3x1Jy8pYM

[Anonymous No.9198001]

>>9197989
You never almost every game does it like this, right? AI is often random.

[Anonymous No.9198003]

>>9197982
>I'm looking for retro FPS and this isn't one
I look for fun GZDoom stuff regardless so I'm looking forward to it and Supplice, the latter of which is more more a traditional FPS.
>>9197989
>Overthinked Doom 3
I wish there was a "gameplay only" component to this, it's still too shiny and weird looking even when setting everything off. Still fun for a few.

[Anonymous No.9198008]

>>9197989
i think what matters about an enemy is the overall "role" or at least ability
like what one does that the other doesn't or at least a particular gimmick that makes them memorable
it's why the arch-vile, revenant and pain elementals are memorable because of how unique they are
then there's examples like heretic's iron lich which have the tornado attack
but you can also have wasted potential examples like the gun stealing gremlins from quake
it says something about enemy mods in doom where some additions will feel unique or special, then you have the recolored cacodemons that shoot 4 fireballs at once or basic variations like that
but i guess it's because programming can be a bitch, no matter how ambitious you get
i also think "ai" in itself can be treated as an "ability", if you pair smarter and dumber enemies for the sake of extreme variety
>this guy is smarter but this guy has the crazier ability
and so on

[Anonymous No.9198120]

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[Anonymous No.9198129]

>>9198003
The Age of Hell is another one I'm looking forward to

[Anonymous No.9198162]

>>9198129
This too. It ran weird the first time but it was still fun, and it’s likely to be smoother on release.

[Anonymous No.9198225]

>>9197196
Doom 3 is pretty close in atmoaphere to PS1 doom and final doom

[Anonymous No.9198247]

i'm convinced that Doom 1 and 2's atmosphere were lost tin translation given the ps1, 64 and 3 went. play 1 and 2 without music or dark ambient and they feel very different.

[Anonymous No.9198252]

>>9198247
*given the direction

[Anonymous No.9198270]

>>9197196
~/ISleep.webp

[Anonymous No.9198286]

>>9198247
You could also say it got lost in the powerpants fantasy “riptear” focus desired by a lot of the fanbase. Some also say the current direction makes sense with how “leveled up” Doomguy has become.

[Anonymous No.9198309]

>>9198286
Anything "modern" Doom is pretty much fanfic. 2016 in a vacuum might have been acceptable, but Eternal retroactively made the story completely fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.9198319]

>>9198286
i'm not really a fan of the rip and tear/ doomslayer approach.
it's been victim of memes of a userbase that plays doom a week a year but spams memes about it on social media

[Anonymous No.9198330]

>>9198309
>but Eternal retroactively made the story completely fucking retarded.
RIP AND TEAR!!!!11!!!! XD
Wat's a Doom comic?

[Anonymous No.9198351]

>>9198330
I'll bite this obvious autistic bait since the thread is over anyway.
2016's writing:
>We're on mars trying to solve an energy crisis
>Sam Hayden, a genius who turned himself into a robot or some shit, finds out about hell
>"Oh fuck look at all this free power lmao"
>Demons aren't happy about that though
>"When we were digging around we found this coffin with a guy in it, weird right? Also this armor suit thing."
>"Oh shit demons are killing everyone aa"
>Coffin guy wakes up and proceeds to tear everything, including a bunch of important shit for humanity, to pieces
>Sam Hayden tries to keep him from destroying the most important bits, then traps him at the end because the coffin guy is just an angry retard and Hayden is a genius
>Like 3 whole references to the Doom comic in the entire game
Eternal's writing:
>"Akshually DoomSLAYER is le spin legendary godkiller from another dimension and a sooper special knight and he likes linkin park and hates my teacher and stuff"
>"The SLAYER took off his bicep armor because he's so manly even though the whole point of the suit was that it was sealed. Also it made him stronger to take it off like OMGGG"
>"Akshually Sam hayden is an angel even though that makes no sense but angels are le EVIL and are bugs because I don't like them"
>"Akshually VEGA, a random helper AI from the first game, is God for some reason lol, Deus Ex Machina right? I google translated that"
>"Akshually, Satan or something like super satan is also real kind of and is also DoomSLAYER (tm) kind of because the only one badass enough to fight A SLAYER IZ ANUTHER SLAYURR"
>Game practically imports an entire fucking high fantasy story just to use it to jack off about how great the MC is.
>Every single fucking character can't stop either talking about how badass the SLAYER is or being amazed or confused about how badass he is.
I could go on and on about Eternal but it depresses me to even think about it.

[Anonymous No.9198352]

>>9198351
You didn't read the codex entries that are exactly the same as Eternal.

[Anonymous No.9198356]

>>9193538
The replacement for the Final Frontier midi made the map for me, the organ part so good.

[Anonymous No.9198358]

>>9198309
well Hugo Martin's first reaction when seeing Doom(64 iirc) was "this is ridiculous". you can see from his interviews that he's doing mental gymnastics to never acknowledge the the violence of the games and he made his toddler play Eternal. many little things that show he was never going to take this seriously.
doomguy works better when he's not Batman in the land of giant mechs. he works better when you can forget about him and just immerse in the game.

[Anonymous No.9198359]

>>9198352
Yes I did, and they aren't nearly as bad because the whole fucking game doesn't focus around them. However, you are partially correct, the game is better if you aren't a faggot who cares about codex entries and you never read a single one of them.

[Anonymous No.9198365]

>>9198351
KEK
it prefer when it's written "THE SLAYA"

[Anonymous No.9198369]

>>9198365
I should have done that, god damnit.
>DA SLAYA BLUE A WHOLE IN DA SURFIS UV MARS WIF DA BEE EF GEEE

[Anonymous No.9198380]

>>9198369
>narrated by xzibit

[Anonymous No.9198384]

>>9198351
A.L.T. Doomguy died for this...
This is his doom

[Anonymous No.9198386]

Yeah Eternal.

Now we need to rape Quake with a modern sanitized version. You guys know IT WILL happen.

[Anonymous No.9198392]

>>9198386
You and I both know that stroggification will never be allowed into the modern discourse because publishers know exactly what will happen if they do it. Maybe fantasy quake might happen, but considering how Eternal did sales-wise, I doubt it. They'll just do Doom: Unending or something.

[Anonymous No.9198395]

>>9198386
well Quake Champion's version of ranger already looks inoffensive. Q1 and 3's ranger looked like he salted his wounds to to clean them. Champion's looks like he's sorry to be here.

[Anonymous No.9198423]

look at these bakas

[Anonymous No.9198440]

>Quake gets CTF added
>usually only one match up at a time
>some asshole is running around with the flag and refusing to score
What to already ruin the fun

[Anonymous No.9198498]

>>9198351
all that + his power isn't even earned, just given to him by a space wizard

[Anonymous No.9198507]

>>9198498
I think my brain erased that detail of the story from my memory to protect me from cringing myself to death.

[Anonymous No.9198508]

>>9198386
Quake is already too inconsistent to get ruined, like does anyone give a shit about the lore of the Strogg? A reboot is probably the best chance we have of getting back to Quake 1's aesthetic, but I guess it depends on whoever they get to develop it

[Anonymous No.9198510]

>>9198507
from the dlc iirc

[Anonymous No.9198516]

>>9198510
I'm gonna say that I was thoroughly checked out by that point. Goddamn though, what a retarded plot point to introduce.

[Anonymous No.9198545]

>>9198516
I much prefer my headcanon after reading the shit in 2016 that the Seraphim was the player, granting Mr. Doom his power through his own skill.

[Anonymous No.9198546]

>>9198507
>>9198516
The storytelling of the expansion is to present a twist in the story, and then present an even bigger twist than that one 5 minutes later. It's like the writer looked at Shyamalan and thought "I should do this with everything."

[Anonymous No.9198559]

>>9198546
"subverting expectations" and it's consequences have been a disaster for writing

[Anonymous No.9198563]

>>9198559
>Here, have this sandwich
>Aha it's filled with shit, I subverted your expectation
>What's that? You expected shit? Did you expect the shit to be laced with polonium though? Because that shit was.
>Lmao double subverted

[Anonymous No.9198568]

How about you dorks talk about some good Doom instead of the modern shit that's not even retro? I'm sure some of you have played WADs recently that aren't horrid.

[Anonymous No.9198573]

>>9198559
I see this a lot in the modern world in everything, by trying to not imitate or emulate you imitate not imitating.

But you can only for example, be a great painter, when you master how to do simple painting by imitating the classics, then later do your own thing and subvert.

I fully expect more brunette fps protags.

>>9198508
Quake 4 type of ruined is quaint, but it would indeed be sad to see an Eternal type Quake.

[Anonymous No.9198580]

>>9198559
>>9198563
Feels like there’s a desire to fatten wikis so people sit glued to them on Fandom. There’s also people I’ve seen genuinely interested towards piecing this together.
>>9198508
In addition, there’s been a guy popping into here once in awhile who is clearly invested heavily into Quake lore and backstory, and there were a concerning amount of people interested into unlocking Quake Champions lore logs.

[Anonymous No.9198584]

>>9198568
Thread's already dead, that's why we're on Eternal. I'm also looking for new non-slaughter wads. DBP50 was pretty good but I want more.

[Anonymous No.9198602]

>>9198351
I didn't care for eternals story either. 2016 is better in most ways. There are things I like about eternals gameplay, but it railroads you too often into a single strategy. A mix between the two, gameplay wise, would've been best. The story could've been completely rewritten and I don't think I would've missed much of the plot we got.
I did like the scientist slowly coming around to worshipping doomguy, even though it's retarded. It played well into the power fantasy for me. And I liked the depiction of hell. And the stupid automated messages promoting the demononic invasion in stupid peudosocial advertising fashion.
2016s codex entries were fanfic tier, but at least the plot wasn't tainted by them. It stayed pretty decent.
Overall I like eternal, but it didn't capture 2016s charm in many ways.

[Anonymous No.9198606]

>>9198510
It's vaguely mentioned in the main story as well that his abilities were gifted.
I didn't play the dlc because the original release was honestly enough. Maybe someday. Hell, I didn't play ep4 of doom 1 until like 15 year later.

[Anonymous No.9198607]

shit i crashed right at the pic

[Anonymous No.9198612]

>>9198440
Just play Quakeworld, anon.

[Anonymous No.9198613]

>>9198120
Thanks for joining.

[Anonymous No.9198617]

>>9198613
pingas

[Anonymous No.9198618]

>>9198613
pingas pingas pingas

[Anonymous No.9198624]

>>9198568
>>9198584
Is it time for a new thread? If so, I'll make one.

[Anonymous No.9198626]

>>9198624
I'm doing it right now, hold.

[Anonymous No.9198629]

>>9198613
PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGASPINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGASPINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGASPINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS

[Anonymous No.9198637]

>>9198618
That time of the month, huh?

[Anonymous No.9198648]

NEW THREAD
>>9198638
>>9198638
>>9198638

[Anonymous No.9198649]

>>9198120
>>9198613

[Anonymous No.9198652]

>>9198423
>>9198649

[Anonymous No.9198813]

>>9198351
i actually really like eternals (and 2016s) gameplay, but it feels like the only purpose of the story is to hype the player up, which feels cool for like 5 mins, but ends up being bad.

[Anonymous No.9198906]

>>9198813
nta.
2016's minimalist presentation >>>>>>>>Eternal's.
feels like they treated the guy like a comic book character. less is more. players' imagination did the job just right.
Eternal's story is the equivalent of putting all the fridge's content in the same pot.

[Anonymous No.9198940]

>>9198351
Super Satan was actually the real god the whole time.

[Anonymous No.9198942]

>>9198392
The next game will be called Doom: Slayers and will be about Crash and Phobos.

[Anonymous No.9198948]

>>9198906
id say it was still pretty similar, though id would agree 2016 did it better.

[Anonymous No.9198953]

>>9198498
I mean I'd say he earned it by shitstomping demons forever as a normal until he got to the Sentinel dimension.

[Anonymous No.9199345]

Is there a proper sniper rifle mod for hideous destructor yet? With all the disadvantages of carrying one such as above average weapon weight even when unloaded, rare unobtanium snowflake overkill caliber, long barrel that makes it legitimately difficult to wield in close quarters and all that stuff. Minus the whole jamming thing that the Boss has that is. I do know about the custom chamber but it's still messy from level to level to have to clean it afterwards.

[Anonymous No.9199346]

>>9197981
Good breakdown, but your descriptions are bit muddled, like how type 3 is described using difficulty and subjective satisfaction. You note the overlap and necessity of each facet, but it reads like ranking from worst to best.
I'd refine the aspects into

>1. difficulty
Your summary is perfect.

>2. acting/pantomime
The characters seem aware of the world and emerging threats and opportunities, have responses in line with their role.
FEAR's flashlight call out is iconic and probably contributes 20% to that AI's reputation. Halo is exceptional at this - grunts panic when the leader dies, elites hide to recharge shields, everyone shoots corpses for good measure. Doom's infighting paints the demonic ferocity.
The response isn't always best for the actor, but appropriate for the role. The spectacle I feel is the most overlooked and underappreciated of AI's jobs.

>3. forcing decision making
Inseparable from level design.
Your take on Doom or even more predictable Serious Sam serve as a distilled example of an engaging opponent with zero bells and whistles and a single brain cell. Fear's replicas are more sophisticated, they keep you from playing peekaboo from a corner with grenades, and the flank threat is a constant consideration in your mind.

[Anonymous No.9199349]

>>9199345
There's an anti-materiel rifle in Peppergrinder that shoots the big Fuck Off bullets. I haven't used it, though.

[Anonymous No.9199354]

>>9199349
>the .50 OMG anti-materiel cannon
I find it hilarious but not what I'm looking for. I'm kinda looking for a bolt-action rifle fielding something similar to 7.76 but snowflakey, like a british or russian caliber of some sort.
I guess I could try one of the Boss rechamber mods instead.