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9140204 No.9140204 [Reply] [Original]

this is better than doom 1 or 2 vanilla singleplayer.

>> No.9140482

>>9140204
isn't it just doom with doom 64 gfx and sounds

>> No.9140641

>>9140204
It's got a different vibe that I like more than the PC versions. It's more lonely and foreboding thanks to the music and lighting effects.
>>9140482
Doom 64 came after but used the same sound effects and intro music.

>> No.9140658

yep, less content and butchered maps truly makes for the definitive experience.

>> No.9140663

>>9140658
>less content
you mean more content than either game taken individually with new levels added too
>butchered maps
you mean improved maps

>> No.9140667

>>9140658
At the time, it was the best you were going to get on consoles.

>> No.9140676

>>9140663
Doom 2 doesnt even have any unique music, its incredibly phoned in. forget the lack of archvile no playstation level could hold every doom enemy so they had to cut down on enemy variety.
They didnt even bother editing the jaguar doom 1 maps to make them more faithful. Just lazy.
>>9140667
yes, but not better than doom 1 or 2 vanilla.

>> No.9140832

>>9140204
yes it removes a lot of the goof factor from the PC version. it uses the Jaguar maps and textures which got rid of the ugly bright blue among other things.. Final Doom is available too and compatible with the mouse.
It combines TNT Plutonia an Master Levels in one questionable package but it's pretty comfy.

>> No.9140838

I like both of the Doom releases on the PlayStation a lot. I ultimately prefer the original soundtrack but I like the soundtrack in these versions, too.
The lighting in these versions looks especially nice.

>> No.9140840

>>9140838
People forget how garbage the PC Doom soundtrack gets after the first couple stages everyone is familiar with.

>> No.9140843

most episode 4 and Doom 2 maps run at like 8 fps.

Perfect Hatred runs as low as 5 fps and if you can beat it on Ultra-violence with the ps1 controller to do all that platforming over damaging floors you deserve a medal. Doom 1 also just ends, no Spider Mastermind fight, you get teleported to a room full of barons and pain elementals (yes, in Doom 1) but you can just run past them to the exit and beat the game.

>> No.9140851

>>9140204
not with those controls, tardlard.

>> No.9140879

>>9140840
Bobby Prince's music fits really fucking well with stuff like Wolf3D or Duke 3D but the PC Doom soundtrack is just metal mashup over MIDI which is only good with nostalgia headphones...
it's also tedious for long playthroughs aside from some moody tracks...
>>9140851
that's the control scheme is use with chocolate Doom. deal with it.

>> No.9140916

DOOM CE (PSX DOOM, Final DOOM, DOOM 64) is probably the best way to play DOOM.

>> No.9140918

>>9140667
>Bothering with console Doom in 1995 at all

>> No.9140938

>>9140918
My computer in 1995 was an i386. Not powerful enough to run Doom.

>> No.9141024

>>9140204
The only thing more reatrded than doomniggers are retarded console warrior doomniggers.

>> No.9141296

>>9140916
absolute kino Doom experience.

>> No.9141829

this version is better because it cuts the fat. why is the first secret in E1M1 of DOOM 1 a switch 100 feet away from your starting point that opens a door into a courtyard where you can grab blue armor and skip 90% of the level? why is that a good secret? who thought that made the level better? then you have shit like the big metal platform in e1m2 in the middle of the toxic goo that raises up after you jump down and press the switch -- whereas in the PS1 version it's just a solid open platform where you can easily run across without fiddling around. the original games are filled to the brim with retarded shit like this that doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. then you have the original music which is legitimately terrible, replaced by a nice ambient soundtrack that not only enhances the mood of the game but doesn't become grating when you decide to explore or take awhile to finish a level. the original graphics were gaudy and largely uninteresting, but the colored lighting effects of the PS1 version transform the levels into something legitimately cool and create a much more sinister atmosphere. what's more, being an effective amalgam of the first two games, many of the worst levels (particularly from D2) are absent, improving the overall quality of the seld-contained experience. aside from this, the game remains largely unchanged from the PC originals; everything that was good about the PC games remains good in this port, but this version improves upon the games so much as to make the originals, taken in their vanilla form, irrelevant. I could play this version all day long but the thought of wading through some of those Inferno levels in D1 or... most of D2... sounds honestly, painful. this is the best version of the game, so much so that even the original devs seem enamoured of it.

>> No.9141830

>>9140938
I remember one of my friends was able to convince his parents to let him buy doom (based on showing them the shareware) because the graphics were so pixelated and low res on his computer that it didn't really look that violent.

>> No.9141869

>>9140204
>vanilla singleplayer
Who fuckin gives a shit. People played doom for WADs and Deathmatch. Imagine being so much of a pleb that you would prefer a dogshit console port of DOOM, fuckin lmao

>> No.9141879
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9141879

>>9140916
>bLOOM lighting

>> No.9141897

>>9141869
>caring about wads aka fat retard fan perversions of a classic work
retard detected

>> No.9141906

>>9141897
>caring about a bastardized port of a classic PC game
retard detected

>> No.9141943

>>9141906
>bastardized port
that would imply it being worse, instead it fixes the problems the originals had. try again.

>> No.9141950

>>9141943
>less content is better
do console niggers really? holy cope

>> No.9141956

>>9141950
less content than what exactly? doom 1 or doom 2, which are separate games released at different times. doom pax has more content than either of those games individually, plus new levels. try again.

>> No.9141971

>>9141956
>no online multiplayer
>no wads
literally less content, cope
>gay ps1 controller
console niggers are hilarious

>> No.9142045
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>> No.9142062

>>9141971
>no wads
refer to the subject of the thread retard
>ps1 controller
>implying i dont emulate
o i am laffin

>> No.9142067

>>9142045
you can change the controls in the options menu dude...

>> No.9142418

>>9141869
>People played doom for WADs and Deathmatch
not true, the modding community was very niche at the start and multiplayer wasn't as widespread as nowadays. of my friends who had Doom on comp, none of them played these...

>> No.9142426

I played it and despite the graphics being ''better'' the game play poorly compared to the pc version, doom 64 at least was atmospheric

>> No.9142445

>>9142426
who said anything about the graphics being better and what are your complaints about the gameplay

>> No.9142501

commandos in d1 is kind of cool

>> No.9142635

>>9141829
That's a lot of cope to justify it not having all the maps.
>>9141956
What a shitty excuse, there's packages for PC that had Doom 1, 2 and Final Doom.
>>9142062
>emulation
Then it's not vanilla anymore, retard, you can't have it both ways by pretending emulation's benefits count but PC wads (mods) don't.

You're nothing but a contrarian little fuckstick who's probably blinded by nostalgia.

>> No.9142664

>>9142635
you're calling the guy contrarian but you're the contrarian of the thread kek.
angry little man.

>> No.9142864

>>9142635
>emulating a game means you aren't playing it vanilla
holy shit point and laugh at this buttclown

>> No.9142879

>>9142635
>nostalgia
i didnt play this game until 2017 at 26 years old lol

>> No.9143205

>>9141296
Based man of culture.

>>9141879
You can turn it off if you like.

>> No.9143347

>>9140204
I don't agree. Playstation Doom is somewhat cool for what it is, but I mostly think of it as an unrefined half-measure between classic PC Doom and Doom 64's reinvented image.

>>9140482
No, Doom 64 was a later project with a more souped up engine, and they built on the sound set they made for the Playstation port, making all new graphics and levels to go with those, making sort of a Doom 2.4 or something like that.
I feel that the new sounds in the Playstation version mostly don't fit all that well with the original Doom aesthetic, and that they are much better used in Doom 64 where they revamped everything else to fit it.

>>9140663
Reducing the actual complexity and visual detail of levels together with reducing the amount of enemy types, all due to memory limitations, I feel isn't that much of an improvement. At least Doom 64 is basically an all new game built around Doom's core gameplay, and it actually does a lot more interesting things with a far more limited media (consider how little you can fit on that little cartridge versus a CD).
One can only imagine what Doom 64 would have been like if Nintendo had set out to make the console use a disc media from the get go, even with those goofy proprietary sleeved discs you would have way more capacity than cartridges.

>>9140667
Kind of?

>>9140918
Thing is that hooking a Playstation up to a TV you already owned is a lot cheaper than buying a complete computer setup, which can get expensive. There's of course drawbacks, but it's still a playable Doom with some exclusive content.

>> No.9143942 [DELETED] 

>>9143347
>essay length reddit spaced drivel directed at 5 fucking posts
anything you said can be safely disregarded

>> No.9144118

>>9140916
Does it put the archvile back in?

>> No.9144172

>>9144118
Yes.

>> No.9144391

>>9144172
Very nice. Once it gets Hideous D. support I’ll be hooked.

>> No.9144418

>>9140204
There's only one way to play Doom, the DOS or Windows versions. Obviously these days we have nice source ports and all but in the before times every version apart from the original removed something from somewhere, or had shit audio / graphics / framerate. The PS1 version is goddamn laughable to what Doom was like even on a shitbox of a PC in 1995.

>> No.9144838

>>9144418
>The PS1 version is goddamn laughable to what Doom was like even on a shitbox of a PC in 1995.
oh yeah? why?

>> No.9144928

>>9144838
Probably because a decent 1995 era PC will be able to run Doom and Doom 2 at a consistent 35fps, while on consoles, particularly Playstation, you would hover around 20, dipping below at times.

>> No.9144931

>>9144838
Simplified map geometry and missing textures.
Reduced monster variation in maps
Reduced unique textures in certain spots
Reduced vertical heights to account for engine limitations
Baronw, mancubus, cyberdemon, spiders, appear less frequently
archvile removed entirely
Doom 2 final boss removed entirely along with the Wolfenstein 3D levels
Notable handfull of levels removed
Performance of PSX version is slooooow, single digit frames in places.
Animations had frames cut
resolution reduced (null point because weaker computers you often had to do the same to accomodate)
Weapon art downsized
No Nightmare difficulty
All the baggage that comes with playing Doom on a controller
I do credit the PSX version with neat colored lighting and the animated skybox.

>> No.9144962

>>9144931
People have made mods to replicate PSX Doom in GzDoom, I wonder if someone would be willing to convert full PC levels to add the reverb, colored lighting, Doom 2 monsters hidden in Doom 1, etc, so you can have the better PSX experience.

>> No.9145112

>>9144931
you know what, you're right. but PSX doom is still more fun.

>> No.9145215

I was wondering why every map had the same brick texture replacing everything, I thought ps1 discs were well equiped to hold all the textures from both wads. I guess the ram on a ps1 can't have too many textures loaded at once. I bet the crash bandicoot devs could have come up with something like make super texture atlas on the fly per level so that there was more variety of textures

>> No.9145293

>>9140204
>this is better than doom 1 or 2 vanilla singleplayer.
t. console pleb

>> No.9145339

>>9140204
Better music, but no port will truly beat the original.

>> No.9145559

>>9145293
I emulate this on a PC i custom built myaelf in 2001.

>> No.9145619

>>9144418
>The PS1 version is goddamn laughable to what Doom was like even on a shitbox of a PC in 1995.

I don't dispute this argument, but in 1995 shitbox PC with the absolutely minimum to play doom still costed at least 2~3x the price of a PS1. It's a impressive port job, given the limitations.

I'm not saying it's a good excuse though. Consoles are primarily for kids. As a parent if you let your pre-teen kid play doom you're a shitty parent. And if you're an adult and you can't afford to play Doom in its full glory on a PC then you have your priorities upside down and should rethink your life. Doom has no place on consoles other than a curiosity.

>> No.9145624

>>9145619
>if you let your pre-teen kid play doom you're a shitty parent
why? afraid they might turn out heterosexual?

>> No.9147019

>>9145619
retard

>> No.9147617

>>9140204
how did the snes handle all of the trig calculations needed for 3d?

>> No.9147639

>>9145619
I played doom as a pre teen and I turned out fine, I even own a house!

>> No.9148071
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>>9147639
how many dead prostitutes have you buried in that crawl space?

>> No.9148115

>>9145624
>>9147639
I played doom as a 9 year old in 1995. I am homeless and homosexual

>> No.9148120

I played Doom as a seven year old in snes9x on the Xbox and can rotate all sorts of three dimensional shapes in my mind's eye whenever I want. I am a single, 27 year old rentoid.

>> No.9148196

>>9148120
>rotsting shapes
>not being able to generate entire highly detailed landscapes with moving scenery, dynamic lighting and audio/tactile feeling, and populate them with semi-sentient NPCs powered by fragmented pieces of your conciousness
get on my level retard