/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9127512]

Why does Nintendo hate Metroid?

[Anonymous No.9127535]

>>9127512
Because it sells less than Zelda and Mario? Nintendo also sucks at making good Metroid games.

[Anonymous No.9127547]

They just made a new 2D one and a new Prime game is on the way. I don't think they 'hate' it, it's just less popular than Mario and Zelda.

[Anonymous No.9127554]

>>9127512
Why does Nintendo hate kid icarus?

[Anonymous No.9127558]

>>9127512
it reminds them of their dark criminal history

[Anonymous No.9127582]

>>9127512
They clearly don't since they still release Metroid games. They just don't sell as well so they don't get as many games as Nintendo's more popular series. With Mercury Steam wanting to make Metroid games and Dread having the best sales out of the entire series I fully expect there to be more Metroid in the future. F-Zero on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.9127598]

>>9127582
why did they give the series to those spanish fuckers

[Anonymous No.9127664]

>>9127598
As far as I'm aware Nintendo projects get greenlit if there is someone up top backing it. Sakamoto had been wanting to make a Metroid 2 remake and needed a developer to work on it. MercurySteam pitched a first person Metroid game and a remake of Fusion and Sakamoto must have liked what he saw and put them on the remake and it went on from there.

[Anonymous No.9127678]

Nintendo don't hate Metroid. They make about as many Metroid games as the franchise can sustain. It doesn't sell as well as Mario or Zelda so it's unfair to expect as many releases as that. In any case, it's certainly much more well supported than F-Zero or Star Fox.

t. metroidfag

[Anonymous No.9127872]

>>9127664
Not only that, but a Metroid II remake seems to have been the filter many developers went through only to be denied. Both Retro and Next Level Games pitched from the getgo a Metroid 2 remake and there must've been something in their pitches that the whole thing fell apart.

As you're saying, there must've been something on Mercury's pitch that made Sakamoto consider them. Fusion isn't a game that needs a remake, the whole package still holds up as any well-polished game does. And whatever it happened behind the scenes, Mercury and Sakamoto must've meshed well to trust them on Dread just due to SR's final result alone. Granted, Dread is a massive improvement. I felt SR Samus felt too heavy while in Dread it feels how I remember ZM feeling.

[Anonymous No.9127882]

>>9127535
There is zero reason for zelda to be more popular than metroid. They are literally the same game. All zelda fans are metroid fans. If they moved metroid to 3d and made it cinematic it'd sell just as much to the norms

[Anonymous No.9127897]

>>9127872
I find it very funny that AM2R is so named because there were many Metroid II remakes in the works at the time, but all the others died while AM2R was the first to actually be completed.

[Anonymous No.9127908]

Because no Metroid game ever sold as much as Prime and japs hate that fact

[Anonymous No.9127921]

>>9127882
>If they moved metroid to 3d and made it cinematic it'd sell just as much to the norms

[Anonymous No.9127924]

Smash and Zero Suit tarnished Metroid into a bunch of coom posting

[Anonymous No.9128112]

>company releases fusion and prime 1 on the same day
>makes 3 more prime games
>zero mission sells under 500K

perhaps if gamers had more than a couple functioning brain cells theyd realize that nintendo put serious effort into revitilizating metroid, f-zero and the like. they even gave treasure a ton of money to make sin & punishment 2

gamers the problem, no one bought these game. i still see sin and punishment 2 the best rail shooter ever in bargain bins

nintendo does give a shit. did anyone in this thread even buy any of these games on day 1? probably not

its the same story with castlevania. all of those games were fucking bombs after the 16bit gen (including mostly sotn) and yet konami still gave them the money to make a ton more 2D entries that sold next to nothing. fuck konami though am i rite? absolutely dumb fuckers on these websites

same shit with silent hill. every single entry sold worst than the first game. konami made like 10 of these fuckers and people think that these companies dont care. nah they definitely did, its people like you that didnt buy them

i bought fzero gx day 1. two copies of sin and punishment DAY ONE. hell i even bought dragon force on the saturn. right into vic irelands sweaty palms.

fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9128118]

>>9128112
>hurr it's actually your fault
>I am very smart
Fuck off dude. This is a retarded arguments. I did my job. We all bought them. Why would you even try to defend anonymous companies over the very real people here?

[Anonymous No.9128121]

>>9127921
this wasn't 3d though

[Anonymous No.9128123]

>>9128121
Uh, yeah it was.

[Anonymous No.9128124]

>>9128112
But konami made them shitty retard. Nobody is gonna buy bad games. They betrayed both fans, critics, and masses and made shitty games nobody liked.
Same with nintendo.
They clearly didn't care.

[Anonymous No.9128127]

>>9128123
No it wasn't dude. It wasn't 3d. Do you think the metroid 2 remake is 3d too?

[Anonymous No.9128129]

>>9128127
no because you only move in two axes in that game

[Anonymous No.9128134]

>>9128129
Same with your game

[Anonymous No.9128136]

>>9128112
I was born in 2003 tell me more how it's personally my fault.

[Anonymous No.9128141]

>>9128134
you wouldn't make such wrong statements if you played the game
(not that I can blame you, because the game is very bad)

[Anonymous No.9128145]

>>9128141
Literally not 3d so I don't care.

[Anonymous No.9128148]

>>9128141
the gameplay is nothing like a 3d metroid so I don't see how you're valid at all. metroid is literally zelda. give link a gun and call it metroid it'll sell like hotcakes. my point still stands.

[Anonymous No.9128149]

>>9128148
>It isn't Prime so it isn't 3D
Really nigger?

[Anonymous No.9128150]

>>9128145
Stop being a doofus.

[Anonymous No.9128151]

>>9128149
Thanks for proving my point. Prime sold like hotcakes. You know I'm right. Not sure why you're bringing up mom as if it does anything I said.

[Anonymous No.9128154]

>>9128150
It's a 3d game called metroid but not a 3d metroid game

[Anonymous No.9128157]

>>9128151
It's 3D, it's cinematic, and it's trash.

[Anonymous No.9128159]

>>9128157
But it's not a metroid so I'm still right

[Anonymous No.9128163]

>>9128154
You changed the goalpost there. Your comment was debunked and you can't stand it.

[Anonymous No.9128169]

>>9127512
Metroidfags are such crybabies. Try being an F-Zero fan and then get back to me.

[Anonymous No.9128170]

>>9128163
Describe how I changed the goal post.

[Anonymous No.9128173]

>>9128170
please anon, just stop being a faggot. it's not that hard.

[Anonymous No.9128176]

Japs don’t care about it, that’s why they release the games so infrequently

[Anonymous No.9128185]

>>9128176
Japanese have awful taste in video games like DQ

[Anonymous No.9128189]

>>9128173
When you come to Los Angeles you can suck my cock.

[Anonymous No.9128191]

>>9128176

But you know I'm right. I haven't changed it at all. Everyone agreed that your not retro game was not a metroid on release. Not my fault you're autistic. You're trying to win an internet argument by bringing up a terrible video game nobody gives a duck about that has none of what people enjoy about games in it. What are you fucking insane? Fuck off to your earthbound threads.

[Anonymous No.9128195]

>>9128173
But you know I'm right. I haven't changed it at all. Everyone agreed that your not retro game was not a metroid on release. Not my fault you're autistic. You're trying to win an internet argument by bringing up a terrible video game nobody gives a duck about that has none of what people enjoy about games in it. What are you fucking insane? Fuck off to your earthbound threads. You're out of your mind bringing up irrelevant not retro bul

[Anonymous No.9128615]

>>9128176
> that’s why they release the games so infrequently
No it isn't. There were only two periods where we didn't get new games and it's not because they didn't care about it
>No game on the N64 because they couldn't figure out how to bring the series to 3D, then they found someone who could do it and made a 3D game.
>They tried for many years to make the next game in the story but it wasn't possible for a long time due to technical limitations.
Neither of those sound like they don't care. They kept trying to make new games.

[Anonymous No.9128618]

>>9128169
Or a fan of any non nintendo series

[Anonymous No.9128620]

>>9127882
bro you stuck in 1999?

[Anonymous No.9128672]

>>9127882
>If they moved metroid to 3d and made it cinematic
It would be like all the other garbage produced today without an identity.

[Anonymous No.9128675]

>>9128136
Get off this board, child.

[Anonymous No.9128678]

Imagine trying to understand Nintendo lmao

[Anonymous No.9128679]

>>9127554
This is the real question

[Anonymous No.9128707]

>>9127535
They suck at those games too as they never made a really good one past their NES days.

[Anonymous No.9128728]

>>9127882
Zelda has waifus and an anime pretty boy, that goes a long way than just Samus

[Anonymous No.9128737]

>>9128136
Its a general population problem, your generation just needs to be the focus of attention so when general statements are posed you have to dump your life story to justify why you're exempt. Its not just your generation, every wave of kids does this until they burn out.

[Anonymous No.9128743]

>>9127872
SR and Dread aren't bad games but they don't feel much like the Metroid I know and love. The move to 3D and the focus on giving Samus these cool boss battling moves just feels too overdesigned.

[Anonymous No.9128768]

>>9127664
>As far as I'm aware Nintendo projects get greenlit if there is someone up top backing it.
It is ran like that. The interactive Mario face at the start of Super Mario 64 was just because Miyamoto saw a random demo someone made and he liked it so he said to remake it for SM64.
It's even a weird addition when you think about it because you never do anything else like it in the game so it's hardly like it had an auxiliary or introductory purpose unless you logically stretch for one. At the very least there would be no chance it got put in - especially where it did - if a dev alone pushed for it.

[Anonymous No.9128884]

>>9128112
>castlevania

I love the LoS games, but I do wish Konami had let Iga keep making games. Sure, his dumb ass basically ran the franchise into the ground which is why LoS happened in the first place, but not only do I personally think he was finally making actually good games with PoR and OoE, but maybe we would've gotten less screeching if we were still getting metroid/Igavanias, particularly over what is and isn't a "real" Castlevania.

[Anonymous No.9128886]

>>9128884
sotn is the greatest game ever made.

[Anonymous No.9128891]

>>9127554
Takes previous seconds of Sakurai's remaining lifespan away from him developing Sm*sh. Frankly I'm surprised they still let him work on Kirby.

[Anonymous No.9128894]

>>9127554
>>9128891
Oh shit, I thought he still worked on new Kirby games but I just checked and he hasn't been credited for one since GBA. At any rate, my answer still applies.

[Anonymous No.9128901]

>>9128886
Your post is emblematic of why Castlevania might as well stay dead.

[Anonymous No.9128907]

>>9127598
They didn't have anyone internally to make the games they wanted. Dread was famously shelved for years, and Nintendo was impressed with the Samus Returns remake so MercurySteam got to make it.

[Anonymous No.9128912]

>>9128886
sotn in the worst game ever made.

[Anonymous No.9128913]

>>9128901
how???
>>9128912
Yeah maybe

[Anonymous No.9128931]

As someone who bought two copies of Samus Returns (Special Edition/Regular) and three copies of Dread (Special Edition, Regular, Digital) I'd say the franchise is in a good place right now. Better than it has been for a while.

Zero and Super are still my favorites, with Dread right behind them.

[Anonymous No.9128934]

>>9128931
They should make a game called symphony of the metroid

[Anonymous No.9128936]

>>9127512
bc it’s not bing bing wahoo kid shit

and i’m a life-long ‘Tendie, not trying to be edgy here

[Anonymous No.9128943]

>>9128913
Spend enough time in CV threads and it becomes enough how nuts and petty the general CV fandom can be, tribalistic as fuck as some would put it. As one example, there are people who would argue that SoTN never got a true sequel because lol handheld games don't count, a point they'll try to argue six ways to Sunday no matter how stupid it is considering we got six of them back to back, arguably eight if you count the 3D PS2 games.

Hell, when we got volume 1 collection largely focusing on the older games before SoTN, I remember seeing huge swaths of comments on Facebook posts complaining about there being no SoTN, despite SoTN already getting so many rereleases on other systems including a PS4 one along with Rondo of Blood. This is just focusing on SoTN, nevermind all the other sorts of shit, particularly that coming from the metroidvania fans who bitched even when they had the run of things before the LoSenning, during which they were still catered to on some level.

The short of it is, there is likely little to no winning with the CV fandom in general, nevermind the SoTN segment.

[Anonymous No.9128958]

>>9128943
Why are metroidvania,igavania whateveryounowhwatimsaying fans so much more insane and rabid than regular metroid fans or classicvania fans

[Anonymous No.9128991]

>>9128958
Honest to God, anon, I'm not entirely sure. Oh sure, I got guesses, guesses that range from SoTN fans being mad that their favorite game and its framework was snubbed at its time of release because 3D was all the rage then to maybe SoTN and a few of its brethren somehow attracting the worst people, who knows, but sometimes I look at it and it's like, maybe that's just fandoms for you, because I feel like I don't fucking get how people can be such stupid assholes about it to the point of being straight up dishonest in conversation/debate.
>more insane and rabid than regular metroid fans or classicvania fans
And it should probably be noted that, while I personally would attribute it to SoTN fans in particular agitating everyone else by being such assholes, I wouldn't say that it's just them or metroidvania fans who are like this. Classicvania threads are just as likely to go to shit for much the same reasons. I don't know about the Metroid fandom in particular, though, since while I am slowly getting into the series myself, I don't know much about that. From what I've seen, it's maybe not as bad? Aside from Other M and Federation Force, I don't think those guys get as polarized about shit. Not as polarized, that is.

[Anonymous No.9129136]

>>9128743
On Dread I disagree, it does feel like the Metroid I love with all the sequence break that can be done and the developers even encourage. There's a sequence break that led to a softlock and they even updated the game keeping that break but patching out the softlock so you can continue, it's incredible they're embracing it. As for the new stuff like the air dash, it just felt like a natural evolution. We already have shinespark and speedbooster, screw attack and the like so a quick dodging maneuver I feel was long overdue.

[Anonymous No.9129141]

>>9127512
underwhelming series.

[Anonymous No.9129270]

>>9128618
APE ESCAAAAAAAPE, WHYYY?!?!

[Anonymous No.9129321]

>>9127512
Who wouldn't hate Metroid? It's a evil parasite that destroys planets.

The only good Metroid is a dead one.

[Anonymous No.9129365]

>>9129321
The only good Metroid is one that is pegging me

[Anonymous No.9129427]

>>9129365
fuck off back to v or whichever degenerate red board you crawled out of

[Anonymous No.9129429]

>>9129427
This. I don't understand why people have to be so gross all the time.

[Anonymous No.9129484]

>>9127512
They should have stopped at prime 1&2

[Anonymous No.9129492]

>>9129427
>>9129429
>eww so icky!
bitch-made

[Anonymous No.9129805]

>>9129492
nah, porn obsessed retards like you need to kys. not everything needs to be about making your pp hard

[Anonymous No.9129808]

>>9128958
>more insane and rabid than regular metroid fans
You mean the ones that shit on any game that's not Super?

[Anonymous No.9129835]

>>9127512
They don't know what to do with it without Gunpei Yokoi.

[Anonymous No.9129892]

>>9129805
>no dude you shouldn't enjoy life
>be a miserable prude like me

[Anonymous No.9130117]

>>9127598
I still can't get over that, it still feels like a fever dream.
>Let's get those boludos who killed Castlevania for good, they're clearly the best developers for the job
Games turned out "only fine" and I'm sure it was due to Nintendo breathing down their neck the whole time

[Anonymous No.9130161]

>>9129835
that actually makes sense
also they don't do much with Wario either
maybe Samus could have a microgame collection spinoff too ?

[Anonymous No.9131016]

>>9127908
Japs don't care about Metroid period

[Anonymous No.9131113]

>>9127512
They don't They consider it one of their top franchises that are well known look it up. Dread also sold the best in the series.

[Anonymous No.9131427]

does dread have anything to do with judge dredd
is samus a judge now

[Anonymous No.9131442]

>>9128958
Anytime people have a cult following around a game designer it leads to shit like this

[Anonymous No.9131453]

I've never played a metroid or a castlevania game or any of the things Inspired by them. Should I? Where do I start? Ok I lied I tried Prime 1 but got bored

[Anonymous No.9131482]

>>9131453
If you're a zoom zoom play Zero Mission. It's short and snappy and fairly easy.

[Anonymous No.9131486]

>>9131482
I'm not a zoom zoom but thanks for being an asshole I guess

[Anonymous No.9131506]

>>9131486
That came off more condescending than I thought. What I mean is, it's the most accessible game in the series which still gets to the heart of what it's about.

[Anonymous No.9131519]

>>9127512
no one hates metroid, it's just boring and overrated

[Anonymous No.9131939]

>>9129484
Prime 2 suck.
3 is a much better, and unique game.

[Anonymous No.9131961]

>>9131519
this
the worst thing about metroid is the fans

[Anonymous No.9131991]

>>9127512
It's not a family friendly game with mascots, and doesn't fit to the portfolio

[Anonymous No.9131994]

>>9131453
Can't speak for Metroid but as far as Castlevania goes:

>Classicvania
Despite what it looks like, the older games are actually pretty damn different from each other despite centering around whip-wielding Belmonts out for Dracula's blood. If I had to recommend one game, it would probably be 1. It's rather simple compared to the others, but perhaps in part thanks to that, it's very well balanced, tough but fair, and sets the foundation that arguably every other game afterwards builds off of. That said, I would recommend watching gameplay vids and see which appeals to you most, start with that, and maybe go on from there.
>Metroidvania
If you're going to be playing actual Metroid games, you might as well come here. The games here tend to rely on the same template, with their stories typically being along the lines of "Don't fuck about with Dracula's powers unless you're the Chosen One with cool friends". However, despite their similarities, I've always been of the opinion that they each prioritize things differently, and on top of this, the earlier games tend to be more experimental while later ones sort their shit out. These, too, would I maybe recommend looking up vids on, and frankly I can't really recommend a game because of what I said before. Do you like the idea of exploration and collecting things? They all have that, but SoTN and the Sorrow games lean on that the hardest, and got style to boot. If you want that with a more well-rounded experience, I'd say CoTM, PoR, or OoE.

[Anonymous No.9132021]

>>9131994

Just wanna second playing Castlevania 1. To me it's the perfect NES game. It's pretty short, but every level has a lot of variety. Difficulty is quite fair and progresses well. You can beat it in an afternoon, and master it in a couple weeks of practice, but despite that, it still holds up as being really fun every time I go back to replay it. Unlike a lot of the worse action games of the era, there's just a great sense of pacing and every room has a different challenge in it.

[Anonymous No.9132024]

>>9127512
I hate Metroid, that's why.

[Anonymous No.9132050]

>>9131994
Wanted more space for 3Dvanias.

This group is even more hodgepodge than the others due to being made for different generations on different consoles by different teams.
>64
If you go for these, know that Legacy of Darkness is basically changed-up director's cut of the original release, and you might as well go for that one. Either way, these ones are the closest you'll get to 3D classicvania, though they're also beloved for their more serious, spooky gothic setting with straightforward stories that nonetheless manage to be deep and compelling. I wouldn't really call them clunky or janky, but you likely will have to come to grips with the controls at first you're probably going dodge/jump into a poisoned river at least once. Just giving forewarning.
>PS2
These two have some deliberately kooky shit thrown in along their melodramatic plots involving esoteric magic, tragedy, and narm along with an expanded take on combat, exploration, and collecting items of all sorts, with various interconnected systems making for a pretty tight, enjoyable experience. It's just too bad that they have one major drawback in repetitive level desing that drags on and arguably drags everything else down with it. No kidding, while the PS2vanias have fans, it wouldn't be difficult to argue they'd be better received in general, maybe even the best, if it weren't for that.
>Lords of Shadow
This trio could be thought of as an evolution of the PS2 games, or classics in modern 3D, or, well, God of War. There's on rails platforming that gets better the further in you are, puzzles to tickle your brain with unless you skip them, but combat is the bread & butter. Depending on playstyle and how well you avoid being hit, you can come out shining after every encounter by learning what move works best against what monster while combining magics with expanded whip attacks and subs for special effects, or it can snowball into your ass getting kicked.

[Anonymous No.9132052]

>>9130161
>maybe Samus could have a microgame collection spinoff too ?
Imagine
>space pirate gaming company

[Anonymous No.9132086]

>>9132021
>great sense of pacing and every room has a different challenge in it
This so much, yeah. The first two levels throw a lot of concepts at you, but not in a way that slows things down; there it is, learn it, absorb it, go on, with largely simple and not very threatening enemies and jumps that can be easily dealt with while you grasp how Simon handles. It probably won't be until level 3 that you hit a wall, none the least because of the intimidating but dumb hunchbacks that gun for you and flighty skeletons trying to frustrate you into making a dumb move. It starts holding a knife to your dick after that while still feeling whatever fuckups occur are more your own fault while the stakes ramp up, particularly level 5 where there are no pits but a lot of enemies to fight.

[Anonymous No.9132151]

You literally cannot look up Metroid or Samus without finding borderline porn. This series has been fucking ruined man.

[Anonymous No.9132153]

>>9131506
>>9131994
>>9132021
Thank you very much. I'm not sure if I'm a metroidvania guy but I'll give the lot a shot

[Anonymous No.9132160]

>>9132021
>It's pretty short
*blocks my path*

[Anonymous No.9132238]

>>9132151
Anon, that's every series now.

[Anonymous No.9133127]

>>9132238
Metroid made it bad since the barbie doll zero suit. It wasn't always like this, at least during Fusion and before when she looked tougher and more athletic. Other M was peak porno when they gave her a beauty mark and fuck me pumps and kept it that way ever since.

[Anonymous No.9133167]

>>9127512
Do you know why metroid has a gun? Its because they couldn't make the platforming feel right.

[Anonymous No.9133174]

>>9130117
Konami is Europe killed Castlevania, I forgot the name of the guy but someone from KoE, a brit bong, was the one conceptually responsible for Mirror of Fate and Lords of Shadow 2 and all their retarded elements like the shitty stealth. MoF was supposed to be a classic Castlevania for instance.
boludo is argentinian too

[Anonymous No.9133180]

>>9130161
>>9129835
Yokoi really didn't had much to do with the actual Metroid game outside of some early conceptual elements like it being a scifi element. The original concept, Space Hunter, didn't even had exploration

[Anonymous No.9133186]

>>9133127
Nah, back in the late 90's it was easy to find porn of Super Metroid Samus looking up for the game on ood search engines like Altavista and Yahoo, then some Fusion. Saying Zero Suit killed Metroid is ludicrous. There's more porn now and that has to do with Smash Bros Brawl, as it was many a Japanese introduction to Samus being a woman. Had it been Fusion or SM Samus, their porn would've multiplied.

[Anonymous No.9133197]

>>9133186
>Saying Zero Suit killed Metroid is ludicrous.
No it isn't. You're saying she was a good looking chick so so there was unofficial porn anyway, which is besides the point that ZSS turned her into a porned up blow up doll within the actual series.

[Anonymous No.9133309]

>>9128886
*Castlevsnia 64

[Anonymous No.9133310]

>>9128884
>Konami had let
Iga sadly left in 2011

[Anonymous No.9133478]

>>9127512
In Mario, logic doesn't matter. Bowser can kidnap peach as much as he wants, and mario can wipe out his army as much as he wants, and no one thinks too hard about it.

With Zelda, most games are centuries apart. You can repeat the same staple plot points and game mechanics for each entry of the series and people can still appreciate the lore because they have so much wiggle room to iron out the details.

Metroid does not have these luxuries. There is no easy way to bring back spacepirates, and samus starting with little equipment, and especially Ridley, without the game's world feeling more and more like a joke.
Even as careful as they tried to be about it, it happened anyway.

The main reason it took 20 fucking years for dread to continue fusion's story was because of how fucking hard they wrote themselves into a corner.

[Anonymous No.9133486]

>>9127872
Probably the Aeon energy system.
It gave a new angle to the chozo, to the game mechanics, and became a mcguffin that could give the "stop badguy from making metroid army" a little breathing room.

[Anonymous No.9133953]

>>9133478
>The main reason it took 20 fucking years for dread to continue fusion's story was because of how fucking hard they wrote themselves into a corner.
Considering the Nintendo modus operandi is "plot doesn't matter, gameplay does", I think I believe more the official reason they couldn't make the EMMI AI work as they wanted on Nintendo DS, the SA-X was very exploitable as it was scripted rather than any sort of dynamic AI. Plus, from what I saw after Other M's release, people would rather Samus to just start without her power ups without explanation like in Super or now in Samus Returns than what risk the possibility of another Authorization gimmick.

[Anonymous No.9133993]

>>9133953
Some of the Metroid games justify why Samus loses her powerups (Fusion, Prime, Prime 2) and others don't. I don't remember Dread justifying it, even though it has the perfect excuse.

Really, who gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.9134006]

>>9133993
Her old stuff breaking down is good enough imo

[Anonymous No.9134016]

>>9134006
I liked the ending of Prime 2 where she gave everything back.

[Anonymous No.9134043]

>>9133993
Raven Beak knocked her out and stripped her away of all her power ups.

[Anonymous No.9134062]

>>9134043
I couldn't recall whether or not the game said that explicitly, I haven't played it since release. Ah, well that's cool then.

[Anonymous No.9134074]

>>9134062
They call it "physical amnesia" since the suit is biomagitek (since you can see the muscles and all from the Fusion suit) but in layman terms it does mean "you're stripped of your shit, find a way around that fact".

[Anonymous No.9134081]

>>9133478
>The main reason it took 20 fucking years for dread to continue fusion's story was because of how fucking hard they wrote themselves into a corner.
I gradually stopped keeping up with Nintendo sometime after the Switch released, but I've still been kind of curious about Dread.
How did they even continue from Fusion's ominous aftermath? No repercussions? Everything is forgotten and forgiven and Samus is on a new mission from the Federation again?

[Anonymous No.9134086]

Metroid peaked at Super Metroid. Zero mission is shit and AM2R is a joke. Metroid Prime series was better than it had any right to be though. Everything after that is beyond trash.

[Anonymous No.9134087]

So Samus officially isn't an independent bounty hunter? She's a Fed operator?

[Anonymous No.9134089]

>>9127547
Can't be all that unpopular, otherwise it would have been relegated to F-Zero or Pilotwings status.

[Anonymous No.9134092]

>>9134081
It's not brought up at all. There's enough details to infer a justification for why Samus is taking another job for the Federation, but the game doesn't treat it like a big deal.

[Anonymous No.9134093]

>>9133478
>MUH ZELDA TIMELINE!!!!!
>MUH METROID PLOTHOLES!!!!
No respect for drooling consoomers like you. Story has never mattered in ANY of these franchises. It's just the same fucking game with the characters named the same so idiot bing bing wahoo children will keep buying it.

[Anonymous No.9134096]

>>9134087
I heard somewhere Samus is insane, or has mental problems, and needs to be kept on a Fed leash or something.

[Anonymous No.9134098]

>>9129805
That's my secret, anon. My peepee is always hard.

[Anonymous No.9134104]

>>9134098
you should have that checked out, it might go gangrene

[Anonymous No.9134110]

>>9133953
Gameplay over plot is the reason they prioritize the Motif's of their franchise in the first place.

Otherwise they wouldn't have samus fighting ridley 20 times in the span of 2 months of bounty hunting.

[Anonymous No.9134112]

>>9134093
This isn't really true man

[Anonymous No.9134121]

>>9134081
The Federation made some killer robots to go on missions instead of Samus, but they lost contact with the killer robots, and were desperate enough to hire her.

They also used Samus returns to seed a bunch of plot new plot points that came up later.

[Anonymous No.9134204]

>>9134081
The omnious ending of "we're now outlaws" was made up by the English localization and the details that the Federation isn't evil as a whole but rather there's a rogue faction was dropped from the English localization. Dread treats the Japanese Fusion as the canon ending, so Samus still works for the Federation as a Hunter, and yet, that faction may strike at any moment.

[Anonymous No.9134206]

Probably because Nintendo has no one on hand that has interest/skill in creating Metroid games. Nintendo hasn't made an F-Zero game in 20 years either.

[Anonymous No.9134212]

>>9134204
That's interesting, do you know where I can find more literal translations of the Japanese ending?

[Anonymous No.9134224]

>>9134212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTuMfsWwd0E
The relevant section on Fusion is from 17:57 to 21:30. The basic gist is basically that (Taken from another post):
>The fact is that the events of Metroid Fusion were the work of a rogue faction in the Galactic Federation's military that is being extremely secretive and is largely unknown to the larger Federation governing body.
>Why did this not come through in English? My best guess is that the translators didn't really think these lines were important. Probably just meaningless flavor text, and they opted to simplify the dialogue and make it more broad and generalized.
>Too bad it's now coming back to bite us in the butt 19 years later. The plot bunnies of "Samus vs. the Federation!" have been simmering for that long.

The english translation also dropped a lot of unlockable artwork depending on your clear time and conditions showing flashbacks to her youth when she became an orphan. I don't know if the artist for those is the same artist who illustrated the Metroid manga but the style is nearly identical.

[Anonymous No.9134241]

>>9134212
>>9134224
Not the ending but posting this tidbit because the issues must come from how difficult is to read such small pixelated kanji
https://crihak.wordpress.com/2020/05/02/the-line-as-for-me-one-life-ended-in-metroid-fusion-is-a-mistranslation/

[Anonymous No.9134251]

>>9134092
>>9134121
I was about to say how typical of Nintendo of dropping interesting plot points, but...

>>9134204
I can kind of understand the overseas release dropping the details what with the limited space the GBA cartridge and screen had. Or maybe it was just another one of those nasty localization issues, executive meddling and all that.
Anyway, thanks for clarifying.

[Anonymous No.9134254]

>>9134224
That clarifies well, thank you. I always had a headcanon that the evil Federation was just a small rogue faction but it's heartening to know that was more explicit in the Japanese script.

[Anonymous No.9134263]

>>9134251
>of dropping
or rather
*to drop

[Anonymous No.9134267]

>>9134254
The manga, per Nintendo's word back in the magazine Nintendo Dream, was meant to pretty much be taken as the canon events of Samus' backstory and the origin of the Metroids. Although Gray Voice isn't brought up in Dread, he's alluded by Raven Beak, as he claims Samus has the genes of the two Chozo tribes, it's just that the scientist tribe who made the Metroids, the same tribe Old Bird and Gray Voice belong to are now called the Thota while Raven Beak comes from the warrior tribe that saw potential in Metroids as bioweapons

The reason I bring this up is because this means Chairman Keaton is therefore canon to the Metroid universe, and therefore given his experience with Space Pirates, all he knows about Metroids and interactions with Samus, he would never allow the cloning and re-reproduction of Metroids as bioweapons to happen. So it must be happening under his nose.

Incidentally, it is because of the manga why Samus feels so much affinity for Pikachu according to Sakurai, reminds her of Pyonchi.

[Anonymous No.9135379]

>>9133478
>samus starting with little equipment
This is true for any series with a main character that powers up over time, e.g. Kratos in GoW.

[Anonymous No.9135924]

>>9135379
Yep.
The beginning of Megaman Legends 2 has a throwaway line that Roll sold your equipment from the last game without asking you to handle expenses for their ship.
that had some disasterous reults Souring people's oppinion on Roll, who the rest of the game spends trying to pair together with the main character. Coincidently, It's also the last game in the Megaman Legends series. Go figure.

[Anonymous No.9135973]

>Series is called Metroid
>You never get to play as a Metroid
DON'T say Dread, because that doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.9136016]

>>9127598
Spanish fuckers who made the best-selling Metroid game to date? Yeah, how could they?!

[Anonymous No.9136104]

>>9135973
Fusion

[Anonymous No.9136119]

>>9127882
>They are literally the same game

no you're just literally retarded.

>If they moved metroid to 3d and made it cinematic it'd sell just as much to the norms

other M you fucking moron

[Anonymous No.9136127]

>>9136016
>best-selling

it sold because of a major franchise drought for what is otherwise a beloved and world-renowned IP. the game itself is a mediocre entry.

[Anonymous No.9136131]

>>9136127
Doesn't matter, the bean counters saw dollar signs.

[Anonymous No.9136137]

>>9135973
Samus has been a Metroid since Fusion.

[Anonymous No.9136151]

>>9127598
Huh? It's the best Metroidvania, simply for the smooth movement.
It elevates the genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trvNQldLjsk

[Anonymous No.9136169]

>>9136151
>2D movement with an analog stick
It wasn't unplayable but it's hardly the best movement.

[Anonymous No.9136852]

>>9136119
>other M you fucking moron
Already went over it with that faggot, but the fucking jannies deleted the exchange while leaving his asinine comment.

[Anonymous No.9136861]

>>9136852
>>/vr/thread/S9127512#p9127921

[Anonymous No.9136908]

>>9128112
fusion and zero mission are masterpieces and f-zero gx is an all-time favorite
back when reboots could be good

[Anonymous No.9137001]

>>9136104
>>9136137
You know what I mean. A REAL Metroid.

[Anonymous No.9137474]

>>9127512
Boring space setting with confusing lore and shitty monster design.
t. my favourite snes game is Super Metroid.