/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9118028]

>Turning a promising-looking cute 3D platformer into an edgy mature-rated game with humor that didn't aged well just because some people criticized the original version for being "too cutesy" and "too similar with other 3D platformers"
>Still it ended up flopping twice despite the praise it got

[Anonymous No.9118037]

>>9118028
I thought Rare was pissed at Nintendo back then for intervening with Dinosaur Planet so pulled out all the stops and honed all their technical mastery of the N64 on an absolute shitpost of a game.

[Anonymous No.9118050]

Conker's biggest mistake was hardly being a platformer

[Anonymous No.9118052]

>>9118050
It was mostly a 3D action? I ask since I've never played it.

[Anonymous No.9118059]

>>9118037
At least Star Fox Adventure sold well enough to be one of the biggest Gamecube hits, unlike Conker that flopped really hard. Still I hate Nintendo for butchering Dinosaur Planet even if I enjoyed Star Fox Adventure despite its issues.

[Anonymous No.9118095]

>Nooo Rare decided to make something different and not to my tatse!
>I must tell the world they're wrong if they like it!

[Anonymous No.9118106]

>humor that didn't aged well
the game is still funny

[Anonymous No.9118124]

>>9118106
Yeah, if you like outdated references in old Hollywood movies and edgy '90s humor for teenage MTV audience

[Anonymous No.9118175]

>>9118124
sounds great to me.

[Anonymous No.9118187]

this is what they took from you

[Anonymous No.9118203]

>>9118187
Unfortunately it was Rare themselves that decided to cancel this game and make Conker's Bad Fur Day instead.

[Anonymous No.9118206]

>>9118187
It was only about 30% done before retooling according to Chris Seavor, and only the first level was anywhere near playable.

[Anonymous No.9118208]

Never played this one, is it a collectathon like 90% of the N64 games?

[Anonymous No.9118221]

>>9118028
>didn't aged
dumb eslfag

[Anonymous No.9118228]

>>9118208
Not really, while there is a main collectable (cash) and some parts require certain amount of money to progress, it isn't like Mario 64 or Banjo where you explore worlds and collect items.
The game is more about giving you different styles of game (like Racing, TPS, turret section, puzzle, etc..) to progress through the story.

[Anonymous No.9118229]

Conker's BFD is god-tier. I guarantee everyone who doesn't like it got filtered by the bees and never finished it.

[Anonymous No.9118234]

>>9118187
this would've been so much more fun to play

[Anonymous No.9118235]

>>9118028
Nah this is probably the best rare game. Even if you dont like the single player, the multi player is god tier.

[Anonymous No.9118238]

>>9118206
the footage of the game that's online is way more than 30% finished. It's probably more like 60%

[Anonymous No.9118239]

>>9118229
I got filtered by the emulator constantly crashing

[Anonymous No.9118260]

>>9118028
idk i wasn't born in the 90s and i thought it was funny
it's not really that specific like gex or what not

[Anonymous No.9118361]

>>9118229
Some of us aren't entertained by pee pee poo poo humor.

[Anonymous No.9118384]

>>9118028
3 times, actually. 4 if you count re-releases as well as remakes.

[Anonymous No.9118405]

>>9118028
If you don't think this game is funny, you're probably French or German

[Anonymous No.9118442]

>>9118124
>outdated
Many of the movies parodied were already classics. Jaws, Terminator 2, Aliens, Clockwork Orange, Dr. Strangelove... And the newer movies are now classics such as Saving Private Ryan and Matrix.
And we need edgy humor more than ever, today's lame politically correct "humor" might be the trend but it won't last forever either, soon younger people will rediscover the simple pleasures of being edgy amd not giving a fuck.

[Anonymous No.9118572]

>>9118028
The games still funny. Funny doesn’t really change. Old comedy movies are still funny. It might not be everyones thing and its certainly not high brow but its silly and its good fun. Like an old episode of South Park. Its kind of for middle-schoolers I guess. It was something different for n64 and parodied everything from the collectathons of the time to classic movies.

I think its weird people hate it so much. I never thought of it as being a very important or noteworthy game but it doesn’t bother me. The multiplayer was the outstanding part. It had so much variety. One of the best 4 player games on the system. The story mode was just fine for a playthrough and a few laughs.

[Anonymous No.9118573]

>>9118124
Where is the problem?

[Anonymous No.9118575]

>>9118442
good post

[Anonymous No.9118579]

>>9118572
i've never heard people hate on it? Had no idea it was 'unnoteworthy' either since all I've ever heard for years is constant praise.

[Anonymous No.9118587]

>>9118579
not him but i have seen a lot of people shitting on Conker's BFD lately, either "bad controls", "too gimmicky" or "poorly-aged humor"

[Anonymous No.9118638]

>>9118187
That shiny balloon gives me a huge nostalgia boner thanks to Diddy Kong Racing.

[Anonymous No.9118651]

>>9118187
Well, at least the emotion system does appear to have been carried over.

[Anonymous No.9118690]

>>9118175
Either bring me back me missing cogs, or FUCK OFF!

[Anonymous No.9118698]

>>9118028
The game was a bit of an incoherent mess, though it had some occasional decent parts. It was in development hell for years but they actually turned it into "something" that people might want to play and released it so give them props for that. It's a bit of an anti-game if you ask me. Ironic. They seemed to be rebelling against development hell as much as anything and putting crazy things in just to keep themselves amused.

[Anonymous No.9118724]

It isn't poorly aged humor because it was never good, even back then.

[Anonymous No.9118731]

>>9118028
Did anyone at Rare had a food-inflation fetish?
I remember that there were at least two characters who died from overeating.

[Anonymous No.9118742]

>>9118037
No, Conker was a kneejerk response to their output reviews (and Conker's pre-release opinion) going "it's just another cartoony kid-friendly platformer from Rare, nothing knew or unique".

[Anonymous No.9118745]

>>9118442
Absolutely this, I'm just waiting for kids these days to rediscover that having a lil bit of edge and entertaining having some sharp edges can be fun.

[Anonymous No.9118768]

>>9118638
Had the same reaction

[Anonymous No.9118839]

>>9118572
>One of the best 4 player games on the system.
Honestly I liked it best with 2 players. Nothing beats raiding a base of Einstein bots with your mate. But then I always preferred co-op over pvp.

[Anonymous No.9118848]

>"Ηaha! Toilet humor and pointless gore so funny!"
Do you still have the mentality of an immature teenager that keeps watching South Park and playing Mortal Kombat while pretending being mature? No wonder American can't make "adult" media that can be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.9118868]

>>9118124
>nooooo it’s le edgy, my redditor friends on /r/cringe all agree!
>i only enjoy DNC approved nu-“comedians” and TicToks

[Anonymous No.9118891]

>>9118848
t. Weeb

[Anonymous No.9118896]

>>9118238
The creator disagrees.

[Anonymous No.9118905]

>>9118848
Found the Frenchie

[Anonymous No.9118964]

>>9118229
The War chapter long overstayed its welcome and bored me enough to keep me from replaying the game entirely.

[Anonymous No.9118969]

>so few people have actually seen the game in person that for decades it was assumed that they put a huge M rating on the box and this was incorporated into the game's lore
>there was never a huge M rating on the box, people just ran away with a mockup that was leaked by Nintendo of Canada of all places

[Anonymous No.9118970]

>>9118848
man, i laughed at that kinda crap when i was like 9
it doesn't have to do bein pretendin to be mature or whatever, that's different, but there's nothin wrong with laughin at some dumb shit every once in a while

[Anonymous No.9118983]

>>9118868
It's physically impossible for you to not seethe, is it? How obsessed are you?

[Anonymous No.9118986]

Beardy? But you haven't got a beard...

[Anonymous No.9118987]

>>9118187
the american childhoods were denied of another baby collectahon 64

[Anonymous No.9119005]

I thought the party games were very fun. I spend a lot of time playing heist alone and with friends. The dino game was just fun chaos.

The intro animation into the bar is stil great.

[Anonymous No.9119015]

>>9118187
I don't know why this "emotion system" was hyped so much when it's literally just basically changing face textures on the model

[Anonymous No.9119019]

>>9118745
Problem is, being edgy at age 14 now will be saved, stored, and used to destroy you years down the line. The kids all know this, because the show trials and public de-personifications are a core part of the media diet.

[Anonymous No.9119040]

>>9118028
The edge isn't even Conkers main issue. It's that the basic gameplay is bland as fuck.
Though it being needlessly gross just makes it worse.

[Anonymous No.9119408]

>>9119019
Social media was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.9119430]

>>9119019
>everything you upload to social media WILL come back to haunt you
>you're nobody if you choose not to have a social media presence
Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't.

[Anonymous No.9119446]

>>9119430
Since social media checks are part of background checks these days, I do wonder if not using social media would make you look MORE suspicious

[Anonymous No.9119471]

>>9118187
Well they gave us this in return so I don't see the issue.

[Anonymous No.9119715]

>>9118187
Yeah this probably would have been better lmao

[Anonymous No.9119730]

>>9118187
Do people actually think this looks interesting, it looks like the most generic platformer ever made.

[Anonymous No.9119732]

>>9118187
This looks like the most generic shit ever

[Anonymous No.9119748]

I like the premise of the game basically being a series of setpieces, with very little fluff. It's almost like Battletoads in a way.
It is very all over the place though. Some parts of it are way more fun than others. It doesn't feel like it controls as well as other Rare platformers. The writing hinges from actually funny, to just kind of shit.

[Anonymous No.9119758]

The humor is edgy and childish, but you have to understand where this was coming from, Nintendo games and platformers were really sanitized and child-friendly in those days, so this game was basically a parody of that with appropriately childish peepee poopoo humor, like if it were an edgy game but for children.
What I think was pretty cool was that it wasn't a collectathon, and it had a less closed concept for the levels, more linear and oriented on tasks, rather than on exploration. It's also tough as nails, at least compared to other platformers of the day.
It may not be a masterpiece (controls are pretty mediocre), but it's a really interesting curiosity and definitely one of a kind.
Thanks for reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.9119760]

>>9119446
You definitely would seem like an anti-social weirdo at the very least. Almost everyone is on Facebook uploading all aspects of their social lives for all to see, so only friendless uninteresting shut-ins wouldn't see the value in doing the same.

[Anonymous No.9119767]

>>9119758
I think a bigger problem with the game is a lot of the humour is just kind of lame. I know Chris Seaver himself called out "Suzy 9mm" as a terrible joke.
The stuff that works is the absurdist Monty Python kind of comedy. Greg the grim reaper. The entire plot of the game hinging on the panther king needing a squirrel to prop up his table, because he keeps spilling his milk. A giant poo that sings opera. All of that stuff still amuses me.

[Anonymous No.9119780]

>>9119767
Fair, but I mean, those games were made by teams of like one or two dozen people, they probably had to stitch together the plot and jokes with just the lads, not a whole writers room like games in the current year would do. So it's not surprising that some jokes fall flat (but just the same the Great Mighty Poo is brilliant). Was there even a concept of a true comedy game back then?

[Anonymous No.9119798]

>>9119780
I guess Lucasarts adventure games were the gold standard for comedic writing in a video game.

[Anonymous No.9119810]

>>9118238
>the footage of the game that's online is way more than 30% finished. It's probably more like 60%

Duke Nukem Forever looked near finished in the 2001 trailer, but in reality it was just a collection of mockup scenes specifically made for the trailer. Nearly none of it was gameplay footage, because the game had extremely little gameplay at that point.

[Anonymous No.9119835]

Dung Beetles with a Liverpool accent is the best joke ever.

[Anonymous No.9119847]

>>9118572
>Funny doesn’t really change. Old comedy movies are still funny.

This. I've watched "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" a while back, a 60 year old movie, and while there may have been only two references I understood, I was still crying from laughter nonstop, especially on the final joke (which, incidentally, was the oldest slapstick joke ever - a person slipping on a banana peel).

[Anonymous No.9119861]

>>9119847
Now go watch Animal Crackers, that one's almost a hundred years old

[Anonymous No.9119896]

>>9119408
>Social media was and still is a mistake.
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.9120049]

SIRS I DO NOT LIKE THE POO GAME

[Anonymous No.9120073]

>>9118028
Yeah man, it's pretty god damn based.

[Anonymous No.9120078]

>>9118187
They can keep it.

[Anonymous No.9120079]

>>9119760
Probably right, good thing I'm already employed, I'd be fucked

[Anonymous No.9120086]

>>9119810
conker twelve tales isn't nearly as big or complex as duke nukem forever

[Anonymous No.9120094]

>>9119015
I don't know if you played video games as a kid, but facial animation was pretty good damn new at the turn of the millennium. And conker had more than just swapped textures, it was animating the models and textures to match phonemes across multiple emotions per character, and it did it better than anything else before it and most things after it until HL2.
The only game I can think of that did anything similar beforehand was Shenmue.

[Anonymous No.9120095]

>>9118187
>some faggot at Rare has ripped ROMs of this, varying builds of Banjo and Project Dream sitting on his hard drive

[Anonymous No.9120141]

>>9119446
>My twitter follows are artists, photographers and japanese women with big asses
>The people that follow me are all bots
Man Im fucked if they ask for my social media details.

[Anonymous No.9120150]

>>9118187
I'm glad his girlfriend got a boob job and bone lengthening, I guess.

[Anonymous No.9120260]

>>9118124
>edgy '90s humor for teenage MTV audience
I was a teenager through most of the 90s, so forgive me
Moreover, in the 90s I watched a lot of 60s and 70s sitcoms, and unironically enjoyed them, so I don't know why you can't enjoy 90s humor

[Anonymous No.9120504]

>>9120094
I suppose you're right. I just took it for granted I suppose. Even these days I don't really pay much mind to facial animation since I'm more focused on the gameplay. That said, the only time I've ever truly felt impressed by a games facial animation is Silent Hill 3's. It's still impressive to me. And it's absolutely mind boggling to have found out later that it's all hand animated.

[Anonymous No.9120615]

>>9119767
>>9119780
Personally for me even if the jokes themselves were lame, its the delivery and tone of the game that made it funny enough.

[Anonymous No.9120625]

>>9118124
>references movies that were old and still "new" in 2001
>humor is just slightly more juvenile GTA3 which came out the same year
If you didn't play the game, just say so faggot.

[Anonymous No.9120684]

>>9120504
I've never played past SH1. Always meant to, never got around to it.
HL2 impressed me when it came out because the system they built to do it was neat. Similar for conkers. These days facial animation is the norm, but games often have so much dialogue that they can only hand-tweak some key moments to look particularly impressive. So you switch between a sort of interactive cutscene and then when you get into the world most people look a little flat again.

[Anonymous No.9121001]

>>9120684
Oh man, if you only played SH1, make some fucking time and play SH2 and SH3. All these games nowadays LARP as movies and talk about how they're cinematic masterpieces with detailed stories and characters, when they're really just >insisting upon themselves. Meanwhile, Silent Hill 2 and 3 are/if not over 20 years old and they're the only games I've ever played with stories that actually feel truly adult. The environments are well thought out, all of the enemy designs/environments in SH2 forward start to be intelligently designed, taking characters own psychiatric statuses into mind for their design. You learn more about the characters themselves through the environment.

Not to mention, the story scenario itself is very mature. Which of course I'm not the sort of guy to be like "uh I only play gaymes for mature adult men like myself," but I really do mean it when I say the story is really well done. The reason I mention that it's a mature/adult story is because it shits all over all these edgy modern video games and exposes them for how juvenile they really are.

I think the true power in the Silent Hill games is that it rarely outright shows you or tells you what you're seeing. Like many old games (and a lost art now) it tends to hinge on letting the players imagination go wild, which we're missing in games now because we can render a fuckton of shit. But back in the old days, rendering was more limited so the creators had to engage their players minds still. Silent Hill 2/3 were made a time when you were starting to be able to completely convey something with the visuals and get it across completely, but it was made by developers who had worked with the limitations of graphics in the past - so despite the games looking great, they still knew how to employ the old "get them to imagine" tricks.

Anyway sorry for the rambling. TL;DR; they're amazing games. And I didn't even dive into how cool the technology behind them is for the time.

[Anonymous No.9121064]

>>9118229
Haven't played this game in years. I remember bees but I don't remember anything especially difficult pertaining to them. What bee part did you have trouble with anon?

[Anonymous No.9121065]

>>9121001
Yeah, no worries. I come into /vr/ to talk about video games.
I do plan on playing them. I've only heard good things about 2/3. I really liked 1, even if some of it felt aimless.

[Anonymous No.9121182]

>>9118028
The humor aged fine. What are you talking about nigger?

[Anonymous No.9121804]

>>9118037
Conker is no I'm nowhere near a shitty game. I think 1 or 2 of the multiplayer need balances, but it's fine otherwise

[Anonymous No.9121808]

>>9118059
Conker is a great game, insatiable of how hard you rage at people rating at as one of the best games of all time.

[Anonymous No.9123035]

I liked Conker's Pocket Tales. Anybody else?

[Anonymous No.9123038]

>>9123035
I forgot that even existed.

[Anonymous No.9123279]

>>9118229
>I guarantee everyone who doesn't like it got filtered by the bees

if your joystick is grinded into dust, then yeah it's not possible

[Anonymous No.9123295]

Definitive edition coming through!

[Anonymous No.9123336]

>>9123295
I like how the developers talked about constantly coming up with different euphemisms for vagina just to fuck with Microsoft's attorneys.

[Anonymous No.9123341]

>>9118028
>didn't aged well
bye

[Anonymous No.9123348]

>>9123295
Definitive? Ehh, I disagree. The sound and music is much better, I liked 90% of what they added, but I really hate the graphics. Conker is way too fluffy and it really suffers from that blurry, murky artstyle that was popular at the time. Small point, but giving Conker only one gun for the Matrix parody instead of two was silly. But most egregious was the complete overhaul of multiplayer. The new style was cool but they ought to have kept the old.

[Anonymous No.9123418]

>>9120141
>and japanese women with big asses
You can't just give out that detail and not name names

[Anonymous No.9123475]

>>9123418
If you follow japanese models they just pop, I constantly get "you might like" or likes of people on my timeline, and its just a JP ass buffet.

[Anonymous No.9123775]

>>9118028
>didn't aged
>>9118731
>Did anyone at Rare had
Finish elementary school before posting, please.

[Anonymous No.9123841]

>>9123295
you made me post this

[Anonymous No.9123858]

>>9118124
Ok fag

[Anonymous No.9123862]

>>9120260
You're a fucking retard. Try not being a cringe boomer and being born IN the 90s and you'd understand a fresher perspective from someone who adored those same 70s and 80s sitcoms BECAUSE of the filth aimed at kids in the 90s. I bet you were one of those nauseating alt rock teens who basedfaced daily at Ren and Stimpy, celebrity death match and south park like it was the coolest shit in the world and not an embarrassment in retrospect for all parties involved. It's you people who went on to flood the internet with those pisspoor edgelord animations that flooded the early 2000s internet like edginess by itself has any value, you're basically acting like niggers

[Anonymous No.9123867]

>>9118187
>Genetic mascot 3D plaformer #64

Boring. Would've been overshadowed by Banjo.

[Anonymous No.9124065]

>>9118731
considering there's other questionable things throughout the game, and you only noticed the rat and the vampire, i'm going to sit here and wheeze at your expense.

[Anonymous No.9124092]

>>9123841
OH NO THE FISH DON’T MOVE THIS GAME IS A DUMPSTER FIRE

[Anonymous No.9124219]

>>9118124
Are you somehow implying that today's """"humor"""" is better?

[Anonymous No.9124226]

>>9119446
Really? Why? Thats retarded

[Anonymous No.9124590]

>>9124226
Thank the liberals with their cancel culture and crying over dumb shit like plastic straws.
Social media checks are a thing because a business would very much like to avoid any and all affiliation with controversial people or practices, even more so after the whole series of left-wing movements to pressure investors and affiliates to distance themselves from a business.

[Anonymous No.9124690]

>>9118028
The biggest mistake the remake did was completely overhaul the multiplayer

Heist was fun as fuck

[Anonymous No.9124721]

>>9119760
Dude, only people who are 27 like me still use Facebook, I think all the kids are on TikTok or whatever.

[Anonymous No.9124729]

>>9124590
You know, of all things I actually understand getting mad at plastic straws, because that is utterly needless waste. We should start retiring plastic bottles in favour of glass and aluminium too. These are actual practical changes that can be made that don't inconvenience anyone. Much better than screaming at people about how they need to eat bugs, because you're a control freak, and want everyone to be as miserable as you are.

[Anonymous No.9124745]

>>9119760
I'm never even sure what to do with Facebook. It seems like such fake interaction. You leave a post, and then everyone leaves a thumbs up, so they can pretend they have acknowledged you. This makes people happy? I'm a socially withdrawn weirdo, but if I'm going to interact with someone, I want to actually interact with them. Exchange words at least.

[Anonymous No.9124756]

>>9124690
It was a mistake because original conker's multiplayer was undisputed GOAT for local,
but the remake's online was fun in its own way. Played tons of matches on that desert coliseum stage. Good times. Got like a 30 killstreak with the grunt grenadier

[Anonymous No.9124826]

>>9124729
Some people need to use plastic straws for medical reasons.

[Anonymous No.9125074]

>>9124745
>This makes people happy?
It's like upboats over in Reddit or, in a more cynical way, (You)s here on 4chins. It's all about dem dopamine hits.

[Anonymous No.9127070]

>>9118028
I'm not playing this shit heap of a game unless the devs finish their let's play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP4ME3ivz3s
If they can't even finish it it's not worth my time.