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[Anonymous No.9116253]

>real name: UNKNOWN

Even according to Sonic Channel, Robotnik isn't canon. He's been Eggman since the first game and he always will be. The shit written in your English manual is fan fiction written by a Sega of America staff who renamed Eggman after his sister's boyfriend.

[Anonymous No.9116273]

>what is Gerald and Maria Robotnik

[Anonymous No.9116286]

>>9116253
how is it fan fiction when it isn't written by fans but rather employees of sega

[Anonymous No.9116413]

>>9116253
Iirc his name is Ivan kintobar.

[Anonymous No.9116487]

>>9116253
Its in all versions of sonic assventure 2. Its over. Neither you nor jealous neo gooks can change history. Everyone played it and saw it. Its done. Please seek help for the sake of your family. Sonic autism is not worth dieing over.

[Anonymous No.9116502]

>>9116253
Okay but you have failed to consider that English is a superior language to Japanese, so why shouldn't localisers embrace this fact to make the English version superior? Who cares about Japanese canon, I'm looking at what's GOOD

[Anonymous No.9116507]

>>9116253
Eh. I like Robotnik more. Sounds cooler.

[Anonymous No.9116524]

I mean yeah, he has always been Eggman to me. Was he also Eggman in Europe? Also here's an interesting story: I live in a 3rd world country, during the famiclone/Dendy era we obviously only had bootleg carts without any kind of manuals. My father somehow knew about Koopa from SMB and had always called him Koopa instead of Bowser

[Anonymous No.9116541]

>YOU
>DOUBLE
>NIGGER

[Anonymous No.9116705]

>>9116253
The fact that Gerald Robotnik exists in Japanese makes your whole argument fall apart
At best you can say Ivo may not be his real name but of course we all know the answer to that

[Anonymous No.9116724]

>>9116253
Why are Sonic fans so fucking autistic. Did Genesis consoles have some like toxic chemical in them

[Anonymous No.9116730]

>>9116253
i call him professor pingas

[Anonymous No.9116817]

>>9116724
>Did Genesis consoles have some like toxic chemical in them

A whole chemical plant, and also toxic caves.

[Anonymous No.9116842]

>>9116273
A scientist and his granddaughter whom Eggman idolized but is otherwise not related to, in Iizuka's retarded mind.

[Anonymous No.9117137]

>>9116724
The Archie/SatAM fandom was smaller, but it's pretty much the patient zero. Very little guidance from SEGA when the comic delved into edginess, drama, furry love triangles and politics, and the audience ate that shit up. So many online shipping wars and recolored OCs spawned from it (so many of Archie's OCs were exactly that, mostly Echidnas) that it bled into the rest of the Sonic fandom.
Game autism started with the changes of Adventure and the removal of the western canon. Some people really took the green eyes and Eggman thing personally. And it exploded even more after every single Sonic game was ported over to GameCube, introducing it to a new generation of autistic Nintendo kids

[Anonymous No.9117321]

>>9116524
>Was he also Eggman in Europe?
Yes. Made sense too, I mean fucking look at him! Anyway, I always thought that the Robotnik shit started with the Archie comics or something, never gave two fucks about them though, as far as Sonic goes - only vidya for me.

[Anonymous No.9117345]

>>9117137
>>9116724
I don't believe that the obsession by autistic people started with the Mega Drive. At the time they were just action platforming games which showed off the power of the MD. It's the tv show, comics, and later Adventure Games that led to it. There is osmething about the sonic world and melodrama that autistic people love for some reason. And the ability to create easy insert original characters is very appealing since you have an obvious template you can follow.

These are kids who grew up with this either in the 90's or as teens in the Gamecube era, so they are now obsessvie about it.

[Anonymous No.9117346]

>>9117321
It started straight up from the first game. Comic books (early ones) were just adaptations of game and existing tv shows until eventually they've become their own thing.

Americans are always coming up with their own shit for some reason.

[Anonymous No.9117370]

>>9116541

[Anonymous No.9117380]

>>9116724
Its actually the Gamecube's fault since SA2 Battle and DX both appeared on there and turned autistic cubies into Sonicfags
It's why there is so much autistic attachment towards the Adventure games, if they were stuck on the Dreamcast it wouldnt be as bad

[Anonymous No.9117437]

>>9116253
1) Sega Channel profiles are incredibly outdated and haven't been updated in a long time.
2) This is probably supposed to be saying that Eggman's FULL name is unknown; his real LAST name has been Robotnik on the Japanese side since at least 1997, hence the infamous Naka quote that his name 'hasn't really changed', but for all the Japanese knew, his full name could've been Gerald Robotnik III since the first name "Ivo" was unheard of for the longest time.
3) Eat shit faggot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfYieaXmqrA&t=52s & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFBvzhmU5ho&t=54s

[Anonymous No.9117450]

Adventure seems like it was trying to appease everyone. It canonized his family's name as being Robotnik, however he still goes by Eggman.

[Anonymous No.9117459]

>>9117450
Because Sonic calls him Eggman.
That was supposed to be a nickname to mock him, but doctor, in a true chad fashion, took the nickname and started using it proudly by himself, thus stripping his opponent off a verbal weapon.

[Anonymous No.9117461]

>>9117459
Original Japanese canon calls him Eggman, and the whole thing is a Beatles Joke. "I am the Walrus, I am the Eggman." Thus he has a walrus like design. But Americans changed it to Robotnik. Adventure comes along and attempts vainly to make everyone happy, while changing as little as possible for the Japanese.

[Anonymous No.9117501]

[Anonymous No.9117508]

>>9116524
He was called Robotnik in Europe, even in local made comics (I don't think we had the US comics)

[Anonymous No.9117521]

>>9117459
>Because Sonic calls him Eggman.
I never did like Naka's "maybe Sonic came up with Eggman" explanation, but it got canonized recently and it is what it is.

[Anonymous No.9118553]

>>9116253
>we have Eggman at home

[Anonymous No.9118838]

>>9116817
Hearty kek

[Anonymous No.9118870]

>>9117321
>>9117508
the duality of man

[Anonymous No.9119264]

>>9117437
>his real LAST name has been Robotnik on the Japanese side since at least 1997
I also want to add, though, that the whole "Eggman is a nickname" thing originated from western media. The earliest references seem to be in 1993, with picrel in the official strategy guide for some early games, and at least one episode of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog that same year, then they did the same thing in the English Sonic Drift 2 manual (probably because Robotnik wouldn't fit the in-game text space) in 1995. Sonic Adventure was intended to "unify" the Western and Japanese storylines going forward (with an obvious bias towards the latter but mainly removing the implication of there being more than one set of Emeralds), so it's likely they started thinking of ways to do that by Sonic Jam, in which the Sonic World feature was basically a Sonic Adventure tech demo. It's possible that the Japanese developers reached the same idea independent of the west branch, but what is a fact is that early western previews of the first game were using "Egg Man" (sometimes "Egghead") and the finalized "Ivo Robotnik" was made without any Japanese input, which is why they prefer Eggman and want to reduce Robotnik to a footnote in the character's history. I actually suspect the live-action movies are the sole reason Sega of Japan is re-acknowledging Robotnik, which they haven't done since Sonic X.

[Anonymous No.9119432]

>>9117501
Show pic of angel’s bulge

[Anonymous No.9119450]

>>9117321
>I always thought that the Robotnik shit started with the Archie comics or something
He was called Robotnik in Brazil. Then again, we used to call Bowser as Koopa here too.

[Anonymous No.9119481]

>>9117461
>But Americans changed it to Robotnik
That is his name in the japanese too, see:>>9117437
The last line above the game screen shot is "his last name is Robotonikku" or Robotnik.

[Anonymous No.9119487]

>>9118553
No, that's Dr. Eggplant.

[Anonymous No.9119502]

>>9119481
tldr; doctor was designed as "Eggman" but was changed last minute to "Ivo Robotnik" in the west without permission and unification efforts to explain this discrepancy predate Sonic Adventure and stretch back at least as far back as '93 but for a good while the two names were a strictly regional change.

[Anonymous No.9119531]

>>9119502
You know, since the Sega hotline was a thing before widespread use of the internet, I wonder if Sega's "Eggman is Robotnik's nickname" explanation started as a result of a lot of kids calling in to ask what "EGGMAN-01" meant on the side of Wing Fortress, after Sonic 2's release.

[Anonymous No.9119598]

>>9119487
Heh... I'll have to remember that one.

[Anonymous No.9119724]

>>9118870
I'm the first dude, had a good kek at that too anon, trust. Probably different timelines, I blame the Large Hadron Collider. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.9119747]

>>9119724
Just checked the EU manual, he was right, guess my memory was hazy. Turns out that Eggman was indeed named as Dr Ivo Robotnik in Europe as well.

[Anonymous No.9119836]

>>9116524
The "Bowser" name didn't always pop up in localization; in the US cartoon he was King Koopa

[Anonymous No.9119845]

>>9119531
Most kids probably assumed it was the name of the ship.

[Anonymous No.9119848]

>>9119836
And the movie just called him Koopa, though I think the novelization gives him the full name of Bowser Koopa.

[Anonymous No.9119868]

>>9119450
>Then again, we used to call Bowser as Koopa here too.
That slipped by on occasion too, mainly via the cartoons and comics but printed media such as official guides and even manuals sometimes used "Koopa" and "Bowser" interchangeably. Eventually they came up with the explanation that "Bowser Koopa" is his full name, but it's rarely brought up now. Similar thing happened with the princess - "Peach" slipped by in Yoshi's Safari so Super Mario 64 merged "Toadstool" as "Peach Toadstool" and then rarely brought it up afterwards. The difference there is that Bowser/Koopa is back to being a regional thing but Japanese Peach completely overtook Western Toadstool worldwide.
>>9119531
Didn't Americans design Sonic 2's level graphics? Some Japanese dude must've been very sneaky to insert "Eggman" there. Guess we somehow got them back with "Robotnik Winter Zone" in Triple Trouble. (I'd almost say picrel too, but that was a bit too late.)

[Anonymous No.9119902]

>>9117137
>>9117137
European here, I've never read the comics but they don't seem any good and (mostly) US-American Sonic fans always look like hyper autistic to me, but somehow I want to read the comics to understand what the fuck is going on.

[Anonymous No.9119908]

>>9119845
>Death Egg Zone
The Death Egg
>Wing Fortress Zone
"EGGMAN-01"
............

[Anonymous No.9120214]

>>9118870
>the duality persons who can get pregnant
ftfy racist trumpling

[Anonymous No.9120227]

>>9117380
Now this is a desperate cope

[Anonymous No.9120631]

twofold African American

[Anonymous No.9120829]

It's funny; for all the autism about Robotnik's name, you never see anyone doing the same thing about Mario or Pokemon. Both of those have kept literally every single localization name (with the big exception of Peach) and not one has every complained about it.

[Anonymous No.9121030]

>>9119868
Nintendo of Japan does acknowledge Bowser. They made that whole joke about how the new boss of NoA shared the same name, though they did have to explain it to the Japanese audiences who primarily know him as Koopa

>Didn't Americans design Sonic 2's level graphics?
All Americans did for Sonic 2 was rent out office space to Sega's visiting staff from Japan.

[Anonymous No.9121494]

>>9121030
Makes sense, Bowser also showed up in Japanese Super Mario Sunshine due to the (English) dub being mostly the same, though weirdly it did contain alternate takes and even a handful of extra lines via Mario and Toadsworth background banter, so I'm not sure why they didn't just have a second recording where they call him Koopa to match the subtitles.

[Anonymous No.9121569]

>>9120829
You occasionally get some pokeautist insisting you use the Japanese names for the characters (like Kasumi for Misty), but because they're animefag secondaries they never care about the names of the Pokémon themselves and just use the English ones.

[Anonymous No.9121610]

>>9121030
>>9121494
Funny enough there's a reference Japan got that we didn't: In Mario Kart Wii, the US version of the game calls this bike the Flame Runner. But in Japan, it's the Super Bowser (スーパーバウザー).

[Anonymous No.9121629]

>>9119264
oh god, and I thought "Don't let the sun laugh at you" was bad enough.

[Anonymous No.9121659]

>>9116253
Well, unknown means it could be Robotnik, it could be anything.
If the western manuals of the good games (1-2-CD-3-&K) call him Robotnik then it's Robotnik for me. I was a SNES kid and thankfully not only it prevented me from becoming a furry but also I never had to deal with this weeb autism because no one ever demands that Toad must be called Kinopio or else because Japan settled on a name therefore all gaijin names are unnofficial.

[Anonymous No.9121665]

Sonic the Fighters uses both too.

[Anonymous No.9121681]

>>9121659
>Well, unknown means it could be Robotnik, it could be anything.
Exactly. The fact that SoJ never once suggested "yup Eggman is his real birthname" is enough. Either the dude who wrote this one profile wasn't aware of his first name and played it safe (at best), or it was someone who was too sore to concede Robotnik (at worst).

[Anonymous No.9121746]

His sister's boyfriend? What are you talking about? It's a clearly a combination of the word, "robot," with the suffix, "nik," used in stereotypical evil German professor names.

[Anonymous No.9122023]

>>9121746
>His sister's boyfriend? What are you talking about?
That part is actually true, Dean Sitton apparently had a grudge against his sister's Croatian boyfriend named "Ivo", which sounded like "evil" and happened to be backwards for "Ovi" (eggs) in Latin: https://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?threads/deansatan-enters-the-fray.13659/
even though Sega can't decide if the pronunciatiation of Ivo should be American or Croatian >>9117437

[Anonymous No.9122080]

>>9117437
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfYieaXmqrA&t=52s & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFBvzhmU5ho&t=54s
What I would give to peer into the alternate universe where Sonic called him "Fatfuck" instead...

[Anonymous No.9122720]

>>9122023
what a fag lmao

[Anonymous No.9122760]

>>9120829
Isn't Mario as a name itself a localization name?

[Anonymous No.9122796]

>>9122760
Yes. It stuck around for Donkey Kong Junior onward because there were no norms back then on how to handle the names regionally. The Koopalings also got their names in localization. They were nameless individually but their names stuck around worldwide as of Super Mario World.

[Anonymous No.9122810]

RoBUTTnick

[Anonymous No.9122898]

>>9116253
>He's been Eggman since the first game and he always will be.

the Genesis / US game was released before any other version, and they call him Ivo Robotnik in the manual.

Sonic the Hedgehog 1 release dates:
NA: June 23, 1991]
PAL: July 1991
JP: July 26, 1991

[Anonymous No.9124171]

>>9116730
kek