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9114934 No.9114934 [Reply] [Original]

Why does this game have such a bad rep? I expected to play a dumpster fire but it's actually pretty good once you get a grasp on the combat. I'm surprised to see how many staples of the series originated here too, OoT feels genetically closer to AoL than LoZ.

>> No.9114937

>>9114934
They played it for five minutes on the zelda collector's edition disc for gamecube in-between ocarina of time and the wind waker demo and decided it was irredeemably shit before moving on

>> No.9114947

>>9114934
I don't know either. I found it to be a lot of fun (except for trying to find the hidden village, my fault or not). Must be just that it's different than the other games.

>> No.9114957

>>9114934
Mostly because it's different. It's one of my favorite Zeldas.

>> No.9114980

>>9114934
>Why doesn't Zelda fans like the game that isn't like Zelda?

>> No.9114992

Because it's shit despite /vr/edditors trying to force le hidden gem

>> No.9114998

>>9114980
This.

The game is not bad at all, is just not a Zelda game.

>> No.9115038

>>9114998
>>9114980
Why is it not? You have a semi-open world gated by item/spell acquisition. Simple combat with a handful of enemies at most. Visit towns and talk to townspeople. You acquire heart containers. You protect the princess against Ganon(dorf). The main differences are the camera angle (the "real" Zelda games still use two different angles, and in fact Link's Awakening has sections with side camera) and the fact that Link can level up (a flavor difference).

>> No.9115049

>>9114934
if you think about it, that game is the true progenitor of nearly every modern day metroidvania.

>> No.9115057

>>9115049
have you heard of this game called metroid

>> No.9115061

>>9115057
more games go down the rpg route like zelda 2.

>> No.9115072

>>9115049
Didn't IGA himself say that he liked Zelda 2?
>Metroid
>Castlevania MSX
>Castlevania 2
>Zelda 2
These probably were the most important games before Super Metroid and SoTN

>> No.9115101

>>9114980
>the game that isn't like Zelda?
Uh this isn't an Ocarina of Time thread.

>> No.9115123

>>9115049
Curiously enough, Hollow Knight devs have mentioned that their main inspiration for HK was Zelda 2.

>> No.9115134

>>9114934
This mentality somehow surged in the mid to late 00s, before that Zelda 2 was liked.

>> No.9115161

>>9115123
It was Shovel Knight not HK

>> No.9115238

Reminder that item drops are on a fixed interval

>> No.9115247

>>9115238
Sounds balanced.

>> No.9115402

>>9114934
>OoT feels genetically closer to AoL than LoZ.
Funny you mention this because OoT was indeed born from a desire to refine sword-focused combat with spells from Zelda 2 in a 3D perspective hence the 1995 tech demo using AoL Link against an Iron Knuckle.
And now we know the Fairy spell was originally planned to return on OoT as well.

>> No.9115406

>>9114934
>1:It's a shitty Castlevania game and not a zelda game
>2: Annoying as fuck fanbase who spams how it's perfect and shits on all the other well liked games in the series
>3:It's ugly
>4: It's the hipster choice when TP is too modern.

>> No.9115426

>>9114934
>confusing progression due to bad translation
>horrible difficulty scaling, one of the most retarded spikes of all time at stage 3 forcing people to grind.

Its not a bad game but its definitely not timeless, lots of its flaws were more common in the NES days.

>>9114937
Also this, i think most people who grew up with an NES liked Zelda 2 but definitely was a "not as good as the original" type of game. Its a lot easier to hate on when it has an entire legacy of games in front of it that are much different, rather than it being 1 out of 2 zelda games you can play.

>> No.9115429

>>9114934
I'm playing it now and it's great. I love everything from the exploration, the combat, the platforming, and the dungeons. I want to make a game like it with an emphasis on exploration.
>>9115161
They said they got the idea for being able to bounce off enemies with the nail from Zelda 2.

>> No.9115496

>>9115123
>Devs causally mention Zelda 2 in a long list of other games
>OMG IT WAS THEIR MAIN INSPIRATION!
lying faggot

>> No.9115678

>>9115049
If you think about it, no

>> No.9115681

>>9115072
who is IGA, and why do you care about its opinion?

>> No.9115686

>>9114980
It's better than every other Zelda game.

>> No.9116684

>>9115038
Almost none of what you list describes Zelda 1.

>> No.9116829

>>9114934
I couldn't beat the first or second as a kid, but it was fun and dopamine inducing non the less. Just looking at both games golden cartridges and title font side by side still feels me with joy.

Also, I think the game over screen of AoL was the first jump scare in gaming history. The memory of that morning is still seared in my mind

>> No.9116853

>>9114980
By that logic, you should include OoT and all 3D Zelda’s

>> No.9117293

>>9114934
Because some dumbshit called the "angry video game faggot" whatever inspired the entire trend of shrieking like a piss-diapered contrarian cuck about old games being "too hard". Once all the other nobodies without a personality saw it they all jumped on the bandwagon because it makes their infantile minds feel good to know a "secret" about how "uh AKSHUALLY that game u like isnt very good ;o)", and then other even lesser morons join in because they want to be part of the group saying the right mantras to fit in.

Zelda 2 is a top tier game, hate for it is just retarded juvenile faggotry and peer pressure.

>> No.9117319

>>9117293
The AVGN video is positive about the game, and is more about how it's difficult.

>> No.9117325

>>9114980
It's among the top ten best selling games on the NES. It sold better than Punch-Out, Metroid, every Dragon Quest, every Castlevania, every Megaman, every other "great" game on the NES save the likes of Mario and Tetris. Your idiotic illusion that people "didn't like it" has no substance. It's bullshit dredged up after the fact by youtubers desperately trying to gain contrarian coolkid points to unsuspecting audiences who won't be assed to look it up.

>>9114998
>i-it's not a zelda game
Your opinion is beyond moronic. It has Zelda in the title. You must be mentally ill to have missed that. Consider psychiatric help.

>> No.9117538

>>9114934
People think games are bad if they are bad at them.

>> No.9117541

Every zoomer a critic.

>> No.9117587

>>9115681
Koji Igarashi, former producer of the Castlevania series up until 2014.

>> No.9117594

>>9117293
People like that already existed on online forums, AVGN character was mockery of people like that, like Comic Book Guy.

>> No.9117603

>>9117325
Ah yes, the sales number meme. I guess FF13 truly is one of the most popular games in that series.

>> No.9117657

>>9114992
that is the real issue now if anything.
>enemy attacks high and then LOW
>soiface.jpg

for years zelda 2 was not the "hidden gem" of the series just "the weird one"

>> No.9117672

>>9114934
Most Zelda fans just like the 3d games, specially oot and botw, they just pretend to like the 2d and the original Zelda but with Zelda 2, since it doesn't have the core elements of the franchise, they can allow themselves to hate it, even if they haven't played it

>> No.9118132

>>9116853
What is the point you're trying to make?

>> No.9118197

>>9114934
>Why does this game have such a bad rep?
It doesn't, you're just stirring shit.