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/CRT/ General Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:54:52 2022 No.9081208 [Reply] [Original]

Basking In Their Glow Edition

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:57:49 2022 No.9081215 No. Fuck CRTs. Overrated hipster bullshit. The vidya equivalent of vinyl.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:00:32 2022 No.9081221 >>9081215 vinyl is nice. i also collect vhs tapes :0)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:00:56 2022 No.9081223 File: 271 KB, 499x241, crtvspvm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9081208 Daily reminder that PVM/BVMs don't do justice to /vr/ content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:02:04 2022 No.9081227 >>9081223 This, they look like fuckin emulators. All they really have going for them is the lower latency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:12:20 2022 No.9081246 File: 469 KB, 2000x934, 20220711_083032.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Messing around with the new Resident Evil fan game

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:43:22 2022 No.9081314 >>9081215 >>9081223 >>9081227 you will never win, give up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:45:07 2022 No.9081319 >>9081314 I already won because I got my CRT for free instead of paying $600 for emulator window blinds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:46:51 2022 No.9081326 File: 210 KB, 857x867, 15847016-290E-4FD2-A8BE-8C184ABA50A3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >rgb

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 14:47:22 2022 No.9081329 >>9081223 >>9081227 >>9081319 >>9081326 Stop fucking samefagging, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:18:00 2022 No.9081992 File: 3.37 MB, 2268x1022, 1657563405413.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love my B&O

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:27:36 2022 No.9082020
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I've been playing Paper Mario finally. I feel like the picture may be a bit too bright, but I think that is juat be being use to seeing the game on LCD screens for so long and this is with S-video as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:30:24 2022 No.9082036 >>9081223 >>9081227 >>9081319 >>9081329 Sour grapes. :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:31:10 2022 No.9082042 >>9082036 Sour grapes over what, the fact that you spent $500 for an emulator-tier image?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:34:44 2022 No.9082059 File: 314 KB, 760x246, 1638327499615.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9081223 This, it's a joke Overpaying to literally get a worse experience

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:36:27 2022 No.9082069 >>9081215 i WILL enjoy my crt and you WILL keep whining and samefagging about it until you're dead >>9081246 Is that based on Gun Survivor? Why does the character not look like Ark Thompson?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:36:39 2022 No.9082070 >>9082059 God the BVM images look ghastly. I've unironically seen better emulator filters

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:38:20 2022 No.9082075 >>9081227 Do you sit 1 foot away from the screen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:39:20 2022 No.9082079 >>9082075 >just sit farther back bro You know who says the same thing, right? People who play on LCD, kek. Of course you have to use the same cope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 18:44:39 2022 No.9082101 >>9082075 I sit 3 feet away, 32 inch consumer trinitron btw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:04:29 2022 No.9082161 >>9081223 PVMs/BVMs don't look like that at a reasonable viewing distance. Stop shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:06:11 2022 No.9082170 >>9082070 Such as?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:06:55 2022 No.9082174 >>9082075 >>9082161 holy cope

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:08:17 2022 No.9082180

>PVM/BVM fags
>act all superior
>someone says anything bad about it
>instant defence mode instead of ignore it
if that's not all the proof you need of buyers remorse and that those people aren't happy with their purchases (otherwise they would just ignore the criticism)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:09:38 2022 No.9082189 >>9081215 Name a better display to plug my Sega Genesis into.

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:15:35 2022 No.9082209
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>tfw as a european, my "new" pal CRT also supports ntsc 60hz so I don't need to be stuck with the shitty pal versions of every game anymore.
fuck you sonic, fuck you mgs, fuck all you lazy devs i'm playing your shit on real hardware and at full speed now baby.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:17:06 2022 No.9082215 >>9082209 it also supports RGB so why even bother with PAL or NTSC?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:19:38 2022 No.9082229 >>9082215 the point was i stuck with just pal before but not anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:19:39 2022 No.9082230 File: 930 KB, 1411x1080, wizardry.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9082170 They've come pretty far. Still, consumer CRTs are king. It's hilarious that you need a $4000 setup to imitate a $40 one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:22:46 2022 No.9082246 File: 5 KB, 233x190, ufetll5ulo871.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9082230 >that ugly rainbowing This is what anti-PVM poorfags think looks good? I feel much more secure in my setup, kek.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:23:26 2022 No.9082249 >>9082246 >I feel much more secure in my setup, kek. your post sure shows that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:24:16 2022 No.9082253 >>9082249 Yes, it does. : )

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:25:23 2022 No.9082258 >>9082036 >>9082253 how can you be so insecure about your CRT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:26:38 2022 No.9082267 >>9082258 What would I feel insecure about you? You're the one posting a rainbowy piece of shit emulator image and saying it looks good. Your aesthetic tastes are as trash as the landfill you got your CRT from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:29:08 2022 No.9082273 >>9082267 but I didn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:30:54 2022 No.9082278 >>9082273 Sure you didn't. You're rampantly samefagging with your shitting on PVMs/BVMs. Why? What do you have to gain from this? You're insecurity is more on display than anyone else here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:36:19 2022 No.9082293 >>9082278 literally only posted the 3 previous posts you really are showing your insecurity

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:38:49 2022 No.9082302 >>9082267 it doesn't matter how good your tv is, you will always be a faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:42:07 2022 No.9082307 >>9082293 >>9082302 Cool samefag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:44:42 2022 No.9082316 >>9082307 if you think it's one anon, how about you report for spam and see if the posts get deleted?

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:49:27 2022 No.9082328

>>9082070
you kind of have to just see them in person.
also NEC made pretty dope crt's as well also victor. I dont really undrstand why P/BVMs are like the only one people care about.. maybe they do look the most cubic and cool. but
>mitsubishi
>NEC
>Sanyo
>RCA and others all had great tube sets.

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:55:43 2022 No.9082347

>>9082328
I think its just a matter of the Sony stuff being far more common and thus cheaper. I think they were the most common choice for game devs to produce their art on so it gives people a weird sense of authenticity, not that the games were meant to be played on them but you know what I mean

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:12:37 2022 No.9082382 >>9082328 I own several and I agree, I still use them for 480p though (they are multisync models)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:13:44 2022 No.9082383 >>9082347 There's a reason when you look at good artists setups from the 80's and 90's it's a PVM and a good consumer monitor or TV next to each other

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:18:08 2022 No.9082395

>>9082383
yeah but just because a carpenter uses Dewalt drills doesn't mean they are the absolute best. I just think it means it's "good enough" for professional use. I can tell you right now Metabo makes a better drill. Im thinking just try stuff out, and experiment, you might find a set that works better.
>and is less fucking heavy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:28:14 2022 No.9082423 >>9082395 The point is, you stupid dumb fuck, is that PVMs aren't meant for gaming.

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:29:15 2022 No.9082431
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>pvm this
>consumer set that
Can't you faggots stop beating this dead horse?
You'll never convince the other side to agree and it's all just a shit flinging contest with no winner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:34:20 2022 No.9082445 >>9082431 >it's all just a shit flinging contest with no winner. Just the way I like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:34:36 2022 No.9082446 File: 1.90 MB, 3024x3025, what game.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9081208 what game is this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:38:02 2022 No.9082457 >>9082446 Mr. Gimmick put through a bad CRT filter

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:38:43 2022 No.9082460 >>9082457 thx

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:42:54 2022 No.9082470

>>9082431
No, PVM/BVMfags need to be spoken out against. They, along with emulators, are responsible for promoting the perception that /vr/ games look like chunky pieces of shit, which has given us some of the shittiest indie games to ever exist. Go back to Red.dit if you want everyone to hold hands and pretend degeneracy should be tolerated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:54:01 2022 No.9082486 >>9082307 just an outside observer, anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:55:02 2022 No.9082487 File: 358 KB, 1170x850, 5F64FF88-E1F0-420A-818B-33CB5D002FDF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9082486 forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:59:02 2022 No.9082494 >>9082457 It's not a filter, that's a BVM, I was in the thread where OP made those pictures >>/vr/thread/5407462#p5407473

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:00:26 2022 No.9082495 File: 84 KB, 514x570, fuck yeah.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9082470 >PVM/BVMfags need to be spoken out against

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:03:08 2022 No.9082498 >>9082495 how fragile is your ego?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:05:32 2022 No.9082505 >>9082498 i dont have a bvm, there is no need to speak out against them, they are enormously expensive and not in production any longer, relax, goto the gym, eat some vegetables

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:07:54 2022 No.9082510 >>9082505 stop pretending to be me >>9082498 fuck off poorfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:16:46 2022 No.9082528 File: 9 KB, 216x233, funky.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw this thread We're finally allowed to talk shit about PVMemes? I remember jannies would constantly delete anything making fun of them or RGB modding

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:27:44 2022 No.9082552 >>9082528 >We're finally allowed to talk shit about PVMemes? You were the whole time. The meme has calmed down recently though compared to past years.

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:42:05 2022 No.9082581

>>9082470
A lot of indie games are shit because the so called devs are lazy, saying PVMs are to blame is really stretching it (you're right about blaming emulator fags tho).
I'm a PVM fag myself and even I speak often against them and agree that consumer sets are better overall for gaming.
But when it comes to Gamecube, Wii and PS2 the picture does look a lot better on a PVM compared to a consumer set, especially if you're using RGB or Component.
It's still not worth shelling out hundreds of dollars on one, I'm lucky I got mine for 50 but I wouldn't have paid the price that they sell for today

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:44:45 2022 No.9082592 >>9082581 >emulator fags are at fault >meanwhile emulator fags use filters that look like low end consumer CRTs (just go check out the filter general on /vr/) heck there's even plenty emulating on real CRTs, bolk standard ones at that

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:52:27 2022 No.9082618

>>9082581
It's not completely the fault of PVM fags but they do shoulder a lot of blame. They're the ones promoting PVMs for their "sharp image", implying that it's bad for retro games to be fuzzy. I mean fuck, the biggest promoter of PVMs is also telling people how to play their games on real hardware, on flatscreens

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:55:09 2022 No.9082628 >>9082618 Funny thing is I have several friends into retro gaming and all except one of them promotes PVMs, it's the one that flips and repairs them, others all prefer consumer sets.

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 22:18:57 2022 No.9082690

>>9082592
By emulator fags I usually mean the early days when people played 8bit games on 20 inch TN panels and tought "Yup, thats how retro games are supposed to look like".
>>9082618
It's impressive for sure seeing such a sharp image from old tech, but after the novelty wears off it's not much different than playing on a consumer set with RGB, in the end its just bragging rights, I find myself feeling nostalgic for rf and composite on small desk TVs since that's how I mostly played as a kid, so I'm seriously considering selling my unit and keeping my larger consumer TV.

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 22:25:00 2022 No.9082697

>>9082690
>By emulator fags I usually mean the early days when people played 8bit games on 20 inch TN panels and tought "Yup, thats how retro games are supposed to look like".
I think the whole "you don't notice the scanlines!" thing cuts both ways, for many people they just end up not really noticing the game looks worse on a LCD. I was like that until I played the Donkey Kong Country games emulated on a LCD. I think most pixel art looks fine when "raw", but my god early 3D definitely doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:07:28 2022 No.9082803 File: 32 KB, 648x566, concept.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] thoughts on this concept?

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:09:04 2022 No.9082806

>>9082697
>the early days when people played 8bit games on 20 inch TN panels and tought "Yup, thats how retro games are supposed to look like".
Those are the middle days of emulation.
Early days were people playing on PC CRTs and being puzzled why the games looked so different from their TV in the other corner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:22:57 2022 No.9082840 >>9082069 I believe it's a new game? The part I played certainly didn't start the way survivor does

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:56:51 2022 No.9082919 >>9081992 What game is that?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:12:39 2022 No.9082948

>>9082806
I've always been that fucking guy who values sharpness/clarity over everything else so as soon as emulators got decent enough I basically switched over and never looked back. Hell for PC CRTs I generally ran them one step under their max supported resolution since they'd resolve the image sharper that way

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:33:57 2022 No.9082996 >>9082948 Same. And I was also that guy who would tell people to use the composite cables their system came with when I noticed they had RF connected to a TV that supported composite.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:38:53 2022 No.9083008 >>9082806 true. I used zsnes on a gateway crt from 1998. I was actually impressed by the clarity over the tv in my bedroom. sharper pixels were desirable at the time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 01:13:54 2022 No.9083085 >>9082803 Neck hurty

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 01:22:13 2022 No.9083097 >>9083085 ferty

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 01:27:21 2022 No.9083113 >>9082528 >>9082552 most people with a PVM also have a bigger JVC or some other shadowmask set anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 01:32:12 2022 No.9083127 >>9082803 I'm no engineer but maybe a plank behind the crt that prevents it from sliding backwards?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 02:03:15 2022 No.9083196 File: 2.06 MB, 4032x3024, 05V6sO4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PVMs are a meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 03:11:24 2022 No.9083349 >>9083196 game?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 04:11:45 2022 No.9083464 >>9083349 Klonoa

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 04:36:18 2022 No.9083510 >>9082919 Tanglewood on the Megadrive

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 04:53:24 2022 No.9083535 >>9083127 You could pretty easily mount an adjustable track there for the plank to fix to. But the strap would probably be strong enough to hold it.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 05:12:51 2022 No.9083569 File: 2.65 MB, 2520x2385, IMG_20220711_162459226~2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9083563

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 06:32:45 2022 No.9083680

>>9082180
I don't have buyers remorse because I got my PVM-20m2U for free but I still feel like hating PVMs is mostly a cope.
You don't have to prefer it or anything, feel however you want, but to me it just seems silly to say that playing on am RGB PVM isn't a big upgrade. Things just look so much cleaner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 08:06:49 2022 No.9083821 >>9082690 >By emulator fags I usually mean the early days >By emulator fags I mean something that's entirely irrelevant today did you beat your wife today? you know, like 100 years ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 09:25:12 2022 No.9083894 >>9083821 More people than not play emulated games like that, people who fuss around with CRT shaders are a small minority

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 11:39:31 2022 No.9084045 >>9081992 >>9082919 A lovely title, and full of feels. Not amazingly complex, but a puzzle platformer with a lot of unique ideas and beautiful settings. Just make sure to write down your passwords and collect all the sparks first time through.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 11:48:42 2022 No.9084054

>>9082180
I paid a total of about five hundred Aus bucks, not even real dollars, for like twenty PVMs. I've been servicing them, tinkering, building cables, gaming on them and generally having a blast for years. I even gave a few smaller ones away. All cope, though, you're totally right. Tuning-in to you new-wave of anti-RGB sweatlords really wraps me up in my rage. Oh, please stop! Have mercy on us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 11:51:16 2022 No.9084058 >>9084054 >i'm totally not coping guys >post long ass post about not coping kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:02:14 2022 No.9084181 File: 300 KB, 1200x1120, jvc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9084054 >coping THIS hard Hey man, it's okay if you like sharp as a blade pixels. Just...some of us like to play games how they were intended, you know?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:18:08 2022 No.9084425
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I just spent as shitload on a low hour DTV1710 after a BVM crapped out on me. It looks even better, the scaliness are absurdly sharp, great brightness/contrast even in a lit room.

The consumer vs. pro debate is interesting. Honestly pro monitors don't seem worth it unless you're an autist like me. People sell RGB modded and recapped consumer sets that are also typically larger than a pro monitor for like $100.

Consumerchads and Prochads need to unite in recognition of hardware superiority instead of being divided by gay dickmeasuring based on how much $$$ we spent on our sets

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:19:34 2022 No.9084426 >>9084425 Autists are the ones who want the graphics to look good and not overly sharp IMO, at least it's always the autistic spergs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:28:40 2022 No.9084443 >>9082803 I mean. why? there's 90s literature that shows all the viable ways a crt monitor can be mounted safely I distinctly remember it from school. and that orientation was not one of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:30:24 2022 No.9084448 File: 35 KB, 620x661, 1631821609405.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9084443 Pffff

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:43:34 2022 No.9084471 >>9084425 The image looks great

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:44:43 2022 No.9084473 >>9084425 >paying more than 10 bucks for a 17 inch CRT

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:52:18 2022 No.9084493 >>9084473 Spend whatever works for you, friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:58:56 2022 No.9084514 >>9084493 I'm all for retards sure, it's free money for those who rip them off but don't boast about being the one getting fucked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:04:03 2022 No.9084525 >>9084425 Where are you finding these modded consumer sets for $100?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:09:00 2022 No.9084539 >>9084525 you can find everything form nice 21 to 32 inch consumer Trinitrons with RGB in for free in Europe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:24:58 2022 No.9084564 File: 50 KB, 944x967, megadrivecomposite.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9083680 Retro games weren't meant to be clean.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:26:58 2022 No.9084568

Genuine question here, no trolling/baiting: I've seen a few people arguing in favor of a CRT's "motion clarity". When I first switched to a LCD screen in 2011, what I saw was the opposite – motion was better on the newer screen. However, I probably know the answer to this: my LCD screen accepted progressive scan, which my CRT didn't. Later, I was told that HD CRTs accepted progressive scan, though they had issues with input lag. So, what I'd like to know: is there an SD CRT that accepts progressive scan, so I can have the best of both worlds?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:28:54 2022 No.9084574 >>9084568 certain PVMs/BVMs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:53:54 2022 No.9084614 >>9082470 >the perception that /vr/ games look like chunky pieces of shit Retro games on handhelds with LCDs and DOS PCs with 31KHz monitors did look like chunky pieces of shit though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 17:26:11 2022 No.9084701 File: 33 KB, 721x406, IMG_20220711_170944.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I replaced the battery on my copy of FFIV, and somehow the last two save files survived.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 17:28:28 2022 No.9084702 >>9084568 >is there an SD CRT that accepts progressive scan, so I can have the best of both worlds? The short answer is "no". Your best bet would be using an old computer CRT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 17:32:10 2022 No.9084706 >>9084574 >>9084702 Thank you for your answers!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 17:34:57 2022 No.9084712 >>9084701 What? How can this be? This belongs on /x/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 17:36:49 2022 No.9084715 >>9084712 there's a capacitor on board which when charged will keep the RAM chip where saves are stored active for a brief period.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 17:43:22 2022 No.9084724

>>9084614
>Retro games on handhelds with LCDs
They were also on tiny ass screens. You wouldn't notice the chunkiness on such a small screen.
>31KHz monitors did look like chunky pieces of shit though.
There was a good reason why PC gaming didn't take off until the 3D era. PC games with pixel art were universally reviled as ugly and inferior to consoles and arcades.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:23:37 2022 No.9084827 >>9081992 Europeans are big fans of BO

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:27:35 2022 No.9084836

>>9084712
>>9084715
>there's a capacitor on board which when charged will keep the RAM chip where saves are stored active for a brief period.
Yeah, my friend who knows way more about cartridge technology told me much of the same. I was pretty quick about putting the new battery in, and I tested the cart immediately. He said the data of the first two files probably deteriorated just enough to fail the checksum when it was booted back up.

Now I'm wondering how fast you'd have to change the battery to save ALL data on the cart, or of it's even possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:31:28 2022 No.9084848 >>9084614 >DOS PCs with 31KHz monitors Try playing Doom on a shitty 13 inch VGA CRT from 1993, I dare you Report back

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:33:28 2022 No.9084857 >>9084568 >So, what I'd like to know: is there an SD CRT that accepts progressive scan, so I can have the best of both worlds? Multiscan monitors accept 15kHz and 31kHz signals and are technically still SD. >>9084702 Wrong.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:34:21 2022 No.9084859

>>9082020
It does look a bit bright, but it's hard to really tell from a photo. Could just be the brightness/picture setting, although the red on Mario looks a bit overdriven, too. Hard to say without seeing it person.

Also, upvoted for Paper Mario; I recently replayed most of the series and decided the original is objectively the best. Hope you enjoy it. PROTIP: Goombario has something to say about literally every area in the game, AND every NPC if you press tattle standing in front of them. It's a nice touch.

And another upvote for that JVC i'Art. I had a couple of those sets many years ago and I really liked them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:34:51 2022 No.9084861 >>9084836 Just hook up a power supply to it while changing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:35:54 2022 No.9084868 >>9084861 Sure, if you want to completely ruin the challenge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:37:43 2022 No.9084876 >>9084868 If you want a challenge do a live swap while the bare PCB is powered in a console.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:44:43 2022 No.9084894

>>9084564
>the mega drive, specifically was such a shoddy piece of hardware that forced developers to make compromises, so that somehow objectively dictates how you're supposed to enjoy these games, forever
He's literally only talking about early Mega Drive games here, and even compares it to PC engine where games were designed to look beautiful in spite of blurriness, not because of it. Maybe learn to read so you don't BTFO yourself with your own "evidence".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:47:00 2022 No.9084902 >>9084894 Holy cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:48:29 2022 No.9084904 >>9084894 It's talking about dithering, retard. Also mentions the later hardware that didn't have the problems. Mark 2 is literally just as good in composite as every other composite console.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:49:52 2022 No.9084908

>>9084894
>games were designed to look beautiful in spite of blurriness, not because of it.
and? doesn't change the fact that they were made around the limitations of the hardware of the time
I guess next up we should shit on them for using CRTs at all, why didn't they just make the games for 4k panels? damn uh?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:55:16 2022 No.9084924

>>9084904
Yes, and dithering was something that was only done to cope with shit output on early mega drives.
> Also mentions the later hardware that didn't have the problems. Mark 2 is literally just as good in composite as every other composite console.
Exactly my point; he said games designed early on were made with the blurriness in mind, and then they stopped as hardware improved.

>>9084908
>doesn't change the fact that they were made around the limitations of the hardware of the time
I'm not decrying that point at all; I'm saying anons are being retarded using this as some kind of proof that games should only ever be played on blurry displays, when the very interview he posted points out that everything was designed on RGB monitors with the intent that it would look just as good on composite. Play games on whatever the fuck you want, lol. Sorry this makes you butthurt for some reason.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:58:06 2022 No.9084931

>>9084924
>designed on RGB monitors with the intent that it would look just as good on composite
well, not "just as good", but proportionally good. The problem the interview makes clear (if you're not a drooling retard) is that early mega drive graphics were NOT proportionally as good as the original work, so they had to make workarounds.

You retards would have me believe that means I'm not allowed to play Sega Saturn games on anything but a blurry, piece of shit composite set. There's no fucking connection in logic there.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:59:13 2022 No.9084938

>>9084924
>I'm not decrying that point at all; I'm saying anons are being retarded using this as some kind of proof that games should only ever be played on blurry displays, when the very interview he posted points out that everything was designed on RGB monitors with the intent that it would look just as good on composite. Play games on whatever the fuck you want, lol. Sorry this makes you butthurt for some reason.
You're literally saying they look best on blurry displays and they were designed for them.
Got it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:00:17 2022 No.9084941 >>9084924 >Exactly my point; he said games designed early on were made with the blurriness in mind, and then they stopped as hardware improved. Then why do games that came after the Mark 2 still have dithering?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:03:04 2022 No.9084943
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This is hilarious, it's like nobody here actually plays games.
How hard is it for RGB and/or PVM fags to try composite for a second on a consumer set?

It's obvious that the graphics were made with the blurry display in mind, reason is irrelevant here.
Even when you walk away from the screen a few meters, the difference is still obvious.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:20:47 2022 No.9084989
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>>9084894
Not really, plenty of pixel artists have spoken out against sharper displays:
>“ It’s a technique where by slightly changing the color of surrounding pixels, to the human eye it looks like the pixels move by around 0.5 pixels. ” explains Kazuhiro Tanaka, graphic designer on Metal Slug (1996). His colleague Yasuyuki Oda adds that “ Back in the old days, we’d say [to our artists] "add 0.5 of a pixel”, and have them draw in the pixels by taking scanlines into account. But with the modern Full HD monitor, the pixels comes out too clearly and too perfectly that you can’t have that same taste. “
> Ayano Koshiro (Streets of Rage 2), Eiji Koyama (Galaxy Fight), Yoshinori Yamamoto (Marvel Vs Capcom) as well as some people who worked with Nobuyuki Kuroki at SNK said that they used this half pixel technique back in the day. Tatsuro Iwamoto, graphic designer on the first episodes of the Phoenix Wright / Gyakuten Saiban series released on Game Boy Advance, explained that he took account of that (sometimes unwanted) effect on Nintendo’s portable console.
One of them compared it to designing for the GBA, a handheld with a tiny, dark piece of shit screen. Let that sink in.
>>9084931
You're allowed to play the Saturn however you want, but if you play on a PVM its about as faithful to the artist's vision as playing on an unfiltered emulator. The Saturn used composite to fake transparency often.
>>9084943
PVM can take composite, but PVMfags won't do that. Because if they were acknowledge the superiority of composite, they'd realize they wasted money and time on an inferior monitor when a chunky CRT you can get for free will do the job better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:22:53 2022 No.9084994 File: 2.91 MB, 2794x2096, 20220305_175053.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] composite on a cheap 14" tv

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:23:28 2022 No.9084995 >>9084941 because... well..... y-you know.... SHUT UP!!!!! i spent $600 on this 10 inch TV, you're just jealous! MODS!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:32:54 2022 No.9085028 File: 74 KB, 1080x1080, PVM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9084995 10 inches? Damn, that's huge for a PVM!

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:36:19 2022 No.9085042

>>9084989
I use a multiformat pro crt because I play many 6th gen 480p games and having everything all on one set is really nice. I drive all my consoles video signal with component because it makes my capture and switching set up work far better. Don't stoke conflict between users of different types of CRTs just because you're insecure about what you have.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:40:53 2022 No.9085062

>>9085042
Cool, like I said it's fine to play on pro CRTs as long as you acknowledge it ruins the look of games and disrespects the artist's vision. Sounds like you're the insecure one for dodging the point to rationalize why you do what you do.
>Don't stoke conflict between users of different types of CRTs just because you're insecure about what you have.
Please, PVMfags were the ones bragging for years about how better their setups are than consumer TVs. Now you're finally getting some pushback and you're crying like a little bitch acting for us to all hold hands. The archive is public, anyone can see this shit for what it is.
The PVMfag cries out in pain as he strikes you.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:44:34 2022 No.9085074

>>9085062
>PVMfags were the ones bragging for years about how better their setups are than consumer TVs
Literally never seen this since I started frequenting these threads since 2014. I've been using pro monitors since 2016 and have always said the same thing, use what works for you any CRT is better than no CRT. You've made up a boogeyman to cope for your insecurity over a perfectly adequate set because you can't get over the fact you missed out on when these were still very affordable, that or you shrieked that paying $80-120 for retired professional equipment was too much 5 years ago. It's OK to be honest, you're anonymous here and in the next thread you can be a new person. It's your choice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:45:48 2022 No.9085081 >>9085074 >you shrieked that paying $80-120 for retired professional equipment was too much 5 years ago Now that's based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:46:28 2022 No.9085084 >>9085074 >haha just sour grapes ;) Typical of a gaslighting PVMfag.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:52:42 2022 No.9085105
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>>9085084
Your desktop 13" composite mono set is just fine for playing games. I just wanted a little more out of my sets. I also started with a 13" composite mono trinitron before picking up a BVM, then a few PVMs, before eventually settling with a multiformat ikegami and a multiformat panasonic :) Here's how .05 pixels can look on my multiformat Ikegami, notice how the shadowmask and high dot pitch gives ample room for blooming and mixing of neighboring pixels without the disadvantage composite color banding or the stark sharpness of LCDs which interpret pixels too literally?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:54:55 2022 No.9085113 >>9085105 Looks like an LCD.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:55:50 2022 No.9085116 File: 3.87 MB, 4656x2620, P_20170829_172931_vHDR_Auto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9085113 idk any LCDs that look like this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:56:48 2022 No.9085119 >>9085116 It literally looks like an LCD with a scanline filter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:05:45 2022 No.9085135 File: 2.00 MB, 1048x652, FAM1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9085119 cope

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:06:07 2022 No.9085138
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>>9085105
>>9085113
>>9085116
>>9085119
Yeah there's a reason why scanline filters 99% of the time replicate the pro CRT look: it's because its the closest thing to a LCD so it's far easier to do. The most popular variant of CRT-Royale comes from a guy referencing his own XM29.
That's not to say they look 1:1, of course compared to the filtered LCD, pro CRTs will have better contrast, black levels, and motion clarity. But acting indignant about comparing them reeks of insecurity. It's fine if you like your pixels sharp, just don't huff your farts about it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:09:56 2022 No.9085147

>>9084989
>PVM can take composite, but PVMfags won't do that. Because if they were acknowledge the superiority of composite, they'd realize they wasted money and time on an inferior monitor when a chunky CRT you can get for free will do the job better.
It's not just composite, it's low TVL + composite that gives the best effect

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:11:03 2022 No.9085152 >>9085074 >Literally never seen this Lol bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:12:03 2022 No.9085156 >>9085074 >$80-120 for retired professional equipment was too much 5 years ago. 5 years ago was 2017 not 2010

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:12:33 2022 No.9085157 >>9085135 >he said while posting a cope image

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:14:37 2022 No.9085161 >>9085135 anon if you really wanna play the "let's post old snippets of vidya to prove how they're supposed to look" game then i promise you its one pvmfags would lose kek

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:16:10 2022 No.9085163
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>>9085119
No, it does not.

>>9085138
>Yeah there's a reason why scanline filters 99% of the time replicate the pro CRT look
They usually replicate low TVL/dot pitch displays, which are very low end PVMs and consumer displays. You are attempting gaslighting very poorly. Pictured is the most common CRT filter, xm29 (which also looks nothing like an xm29) for comparison. Pictured on a 4K OLED.

The comparisons to: >>9085116 >>9085105 look nothing like pic related. You shouldn't lie about things easily proven wrong with a simple search. You need to do better in the next thread, your embarrassing display against people who have different CRTs is only hurting your own case.

>>9085156
2016 was when I got my first BVM for $80 after shipping.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:19:52 2022 No.9085172 >>9085163 >press camera directly against TV >wooooow dude it looks nothing like the other photos

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:21:41 2022 No.9085178 File: 104 KB, 977x722, Ike-Asuka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9085172 >get proven wrong >t-that d-doesn't count Thank you for conceding. Have a nice day, do better in the next thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:22:45 2022 No.9085183 >>9085178 Those pictures still look like an LCD with a filter. I don't see what retard tier photography has to do with that.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:24:16 2022 No.9085191
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>>9085183
You should check if you're using an LCD then, my CRTs do not look like: >>9085163 and I have about 13 of them to compare against. Here's a hint: CRTs usually have deep chassis that go back a number of inches, at least 10, sometimes double or even triple that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:25:31 2022 No.9085194 >>9085191 I hope they don't look like the result of a mong pressing their camera against a TV.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:25:45 2022 No.9085195

>>9085163
>which are very low end PVMs
So yeah, pro CRT. Doesn't refute my point.
>and consumer displays
Strictly speaking true, in that they also replicate Trinitron TVs, because aperture grille CRTs are easier to replicate than a shadow mask. Average consumer displays are out of reach for most CRT shaders because they look so radically different from a LCD.
>You are attempting gaslighting very poorly
It's not gaslighting if I posted a comparison of a LCD vs PVM, which you conveniently ignored, kek.
>Pictured is the most common CRT filter, xm29 (which also looks nothing like an xm29) for comparison.
The guy who made it owns a XM29 and plenty of other CRTs, I'll take his word over some anon who's offered no proof of owning a XM29. Even if you think it fails at the job, the fact that he tried to replicate a high-end CRT and not something else is pretty telling of the LCD's abilities of replicating lower end ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:26:47 2022 No.9085203 >>9085195 And yes, I know the XM29 wasn't aperture grille. Exception proves the rule, considering how very taxing CRT-Royale is on the GPU.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:29:09 2022 No.9085207
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>>9085195
>The guy who made it owns a XM29
He should really get that red bias checked out.

>>9085203
I'm thoroughly convinced you have no idea what you're talking about with how you're depserately jumping between comparing LCDs to aperture grilles, saying a dot triad shadowmask (not slot mask): >>9085116 >>9085105 is both too hard to replicate on LCDs yet also looks just like LCDs while denying that an actual 4K OLED comparison (best case scenario) of this exact shader here: >>9085163 looks more like an aperturue grille.

Just take the L chief, you're arguing yourself into utter stupidity. Time to post an aperture grille to add to the confusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:45:06 2022 No.9085267 >>9085084 Lol @ doodoo not even knowing the meaning of "sour grapes". Back to kindergarten, kiddo!

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:49:03 2022 No.9085272
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anti pvm/rgb fags are far, far more annoying than pvm/rgb fags, I have no idea why you're so angry about some fags playing games in a way you feel is inferior
t. s-video or RGB on consumer SD crt

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:50:40 2022 No.9085278

>>9085207
Didn't say the XM29 looked just like a LCD, in fact I've noted that even the best CRT shader can never 100% replicate one here: >>9085138
My point was that CRT shaders tend to replicate high-end consumer/pro CRTs (particularly aperture grille ones such as PVM) because it's easier for a LCD to do. The XM29 shader is somewhat of an outlier here, in that it replicates a slotmask instead, and it takes far more computational power to do as a result. But it still sticks to the ethos of trying to replicate a high quality CRT because doing anything more low-end would require a high-end GPU + 4K monitor.
This stuff is pretty common knowledge among shader devs (who're composed of CRT autists themselves), and hence why the accusations of PVMs having emulator-tier clarity goes back a long ways too. Surely you'd know that if you've been lurking these threads as long as you've claimed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:56:45 2022 No.9085293 How much should I ask for a 14 inch PVM with composite and s-video, or for a 20 inch one with composite, s-video, component and RGB?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:00:03 2022 No.9085298

>>9084943
Based, the whole thread got derailed because fucking attention whoring PVM fags must copepost.
If they didn't care then there would be 1-2 posts in this thread saying "pvm look bad" and rest would be non-shitpost discussion, but they had to escalate it to 80 posts .

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:01:16 2022 No.9085303

>>9085293
lol n5u's are almost $400 now. worst pvms to get in that size class. so sad to think there's people in this thread that thought $40 for one of these 5 years ago was "too much." I'd recommend a panasonic bt-h13XX but these doesn't seem to be available anywhere but they were the most affordable high dot pitch w/ rgb/comp crt probably until retrotech covered it and ruined it for everyone

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:07:26 2022 No.9085315 >>9085303 >$40 for one of these 5 years ago was "too much." >5 years ago I'm going thru /vr/ archives and all I see is 150 - 200 USD. >"too much" Shit was literally free 10 years ago and 20" PVMs are still just 200€ today.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:11:14 2022 No.9085324 >>9085278 Based, PVMfag BTFO

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:14:09 2022 No.9085331
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>>9085278
>This stuff is pretty common knowledge among shader devs (who're composed of CRT autists themselves), and hence why the accusations of PVMs having emulator-tier clarity goes back a long ways too. Surely you'd know that if you've been lurking these threads as long as you've claimed?
It's probably one of the oldest observations in the CRT community, this took like 10 seconds of googling to find. Taken from a discussion where someone almost bought a PVM but bowed out because they were worried it'd look too much like an LCD, kek.
It's really just one of those things that depends on your tastes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:15:11 2022 No.9085336 >>9085331 >oldest >post is not even 10 years old zoomers I swear

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:19:17 2022 No.9085347 >>9085336 Every time we have this debate, I'll screencap a post from one year earlier.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:31:17 2022 No.9085375
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i dont know dick about crt filters (why the fuck are you looking that stuff up if you own a real crt?) but it seems obvious that it's easier for a sharp screen to imitate another sharp screen than a fuzzy one

but also, crt filters probably go for the pvm/bvm look because it LOOKS better. only larping contrarians like a shitty blurry image, most people want sharpness and clarity. do you think rich people bought consumer trinitrons to waste money?

>muh waterfalls!
stop. a waterfall you see for three seconds isnt worth degrading the entire image of the game. the real visual advantage of their crts are their contrast and motion clarity. to this fuckin day only oleds surpass crts in contrast, but oleds can't match the motion clarity unless they use bfi and rape their brightness. its pathetic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:39:29 2022 No.9085394 >>9085375 >but it seems obvious that it's easier for a sharp screen to imitate another sharp screen than a fuzzy one You can't imidate no-scalines on a 15khz high TVL PVM doing 240p anon

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:40:37 2022 No.9085398
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>>9085298
>If they didn't care then there would be 1-2 posts in this thread saying "pvm look bad" and rest would be non-shitpost discussion, but they had to escalate it to 80 posts .

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 22:27:10 2022 No.9085516

The argument against PVMs always seems funny to me because PVMs have composite, too. It's not like it's all or nothing. I personally prefer the crisp, arcadey look of RGB, especially for shooters, but if I ever feel the need to see dithering or whatever you guys are sperging out about, I can literally just use composite, or even turn down the focus pot inside if I really want to make it look like some worn-out consumer shitbox from my youth. Even a sports car can drive the speed limit if you want to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 23:02:40 2022 No.9085603 This whole thread reeks of Am*ricans coping by saying that PVMs are bad, because they never had anything better than a shitty RF-only grandma's woodgrain TV and everyone should play games that way, just like they remember.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 23:04:43 2022 No.9085606 where can i get a PVM/BVM for a reasonable price? What even _is_ a reasonable price?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 23:24:50 2022 No.9085651 >>9085603 >RF-only grandma's woodgrain TV Mega soul.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 23:39:05 2022 No.9085675

>>9085516
It's not just composite, its composite + low TVL. You can adjust the settings of a PVM but you'll never capture the look of a consumer CRT.
>>9085603
Japan dominantly used those "shitty" TVs too. The jab at RF-only TVs is funny because the Famicom could only do RF. Japan never saw a Famicom with better video quality until the Famicom Titler which, surprise surprise, was aimed only at professionals (ie, reviewers who needed to take pictures)
Yes, Europeans got better TVs but even their own devs often had to design their art for Japan/US because that's where the most money is. Rareware devs have joked that when doing the art for their games, they would squint, kek.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 00:03:35 2022 No.9085717 >170 posts of this shit Jesus fucking Christ, you vegans are the worst.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 00:43:59 2022 No.9085782

>anti-PVMfags acting astounded that poking hornets nest involves being stung by hornets
>PVMfags falling for the shittiest of all possible bait
>wasting an entire thread on pointless consolewarring over TV's of all possible things

Please consider suicide, so that the next thread in better without your presence.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 01:11:05 2022 No.9085847

>>9085028
I have to say I always wanted to get one of those little 8-inch PVMs just for the hell of it, back when they were floating around for like 50-80 bucks. I always love how super-fine the graphics look on small screens, kind of like a GB Micro effect.

>>9085675
>low TVL
Most of the common PVMs from the '80s -2000s would likely have 500-800 TVL, while a consumer TV from that same time window could have 300-600. At this point, you should just say that no game can ever be played on a TV set newer than its release date, because it wouldn't be authentic because HURRRR TOO MANY TV LINES!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 01:21:00 2022 No.9085865 File: 1.16 MB, 2688x1512, IMG_20211030_160959.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9085675 >muh consumer-level tv lines! I have a consumer set from 1986 with 600 TVL. And RGB.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 01:39:19 2022 No.9085910

>>9085782
>extensively citing the opinions of developers from the back in the day
>shit bait
>g-guys n-next thread a-already???
Yeah, I'd say the same thing if I was proven wrong too.
>>9085847
Yeah and? There are other factors determining the quality of a monitor, I just gave TVL as an example.
>>9085865
Yeah and? Most games weren't designed for RGB and look like shit on it as a result. Did you miss over my post where I said the Famicom was RF only?

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 01:42:27 2022 No.9085917

>>9085606
Whatever you think you're willing to pay. Attaching a number is meaningless because for 95% of the people out there the things are literally garbage/junk and you're paying them to take it off their hands, which is ridiculous. I paid 25 for my VGA CRT but I wouldn't go much higher

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 04:11:30 2022 No.9086201

>>9081208
I'm kinda curious, how do you guys go about finding Sony PVMs?
I've never bought one before but lately I've been interested in the idea, but I imagine these have to be rare and probably sold for like 1k when listed online.

Secondary question, what do you guys feel is the best way to connect an old CRT to a PC?
Mainly would do this for anime watching and the like, people tell me the ol' HDMI to Composite stuff is terrible, but how else would you do it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 04:35:05 2022 No.9086253 >>9084568 by definiton, no. "standard definition" is 480i. there do exist 480p monitors, but those will only accept vga input.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 04:50:54 2022 No.9086269 >>9084836 >He said the data of the first two files probably deteriorated just enough to fail the checksum when it was booted back up. so you lost the saved games anyway?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 05:14:52 2022 No.9086309 >>9085865 That set is not 600 TVL

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 05:16:22 2022 No.9086315 >>9085847 >Most of the common PVMs from the '80s -2000s would likely have 500-800 TVL most PVMs will be between 600 - 800 most consumer sets were 300 - 500 you'd expect PVM users to be more knowledge about CRTs...

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 05:20:43 2022 No.9086327

>>9086201
>I'm kinda curious, how do you guys go about finding Sony PVMs?
Local classifieds. Decent 20 inch PVM can be found for less than 200€.

>Secondary question, what do you guys feel is the best way to connect an old CRT to a PC?
Depends, VGA CRT? Just a HDMI or DP to VGA adapter.
CRT TV? DP to VGA adapter with VGA to SCART cable like the pre-made MiSTer one.

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Anonymous Wed Jul 13 05:30:44 2022 No.9086345

>>9086201
>Crt tv to pc
Only two adapters work for that and one is a folsom vga to composite. Would not recommend.
>Crt pc monitor to pc
You can buy or build an old spec pc that runs windows xp and then it would output vga cord which all the old crt pc monitors use.
If its a new pc, you can just get a cheap hdmi/display port to vga adapter.
They usually always constantly work. But i have had glitches with them before. And i just restart everything or switch from display port or hdmi and it works again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 05:49:11 2022 No.9086389 >tfw scooped up two pvm 2030s for 60 bucks a pop I'm considering selling one, but I don't really NEED the money, so I dunno

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 05:53:28 2022 No.9086403 >>9086345 >>Only two adapters work for that and one is a folsom vga to composite. Would not recommend. >not using RGB

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 06:15:15 2022 No.9086438 >>9081246 What game anon? Where can I play It?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 06:22:52 2022 No.9086449 >>9086438 >says fucking UMBRELLA right there gee maybe they mean the umbrella store? umbrella factory? no way it's umbrella corporation tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 06:23:31 2022 No.9086450 >>9086449 lol fucking autist just tell him which resident evil it is

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 08:49:45 2022 No.9086665 File: 2.16 MB, 540x304, kx-14cp1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want one of pic related.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 08:52:58 2022 No.9086670 >>9086665 Design is awesome and it's nice and small, but it's only 450 TVL, even though it's branded as a monitor. Basically a slightly nicer consumer Trinitron the same size.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 08:56:47 2022 No.9086675 File: 65 KB, 1024x768, scanlines.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9086670 For the '80s, 450 TVL / 14" is a lot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:02:42 2022 No.9086680 >>9086665 TV/Monitor with 80s design and RGB input is the dream for me, most of the good looking stuff from that era is composite only. 14 incher is too small for me though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:05:11 2022 No.9086682 File: 775 KB, 2700x1800, e41jKUw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9086680 Don't think about it as a TV, just imagine a cute little monitor that you put on your desk and has a small incline to let to see better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:07:38 2022 No.9086685 >>9086680 Plenty of nice black 80's Trinitrons have RGB in via SCART.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:09:08 2022 No.9086687 File: 719 KB, 833x598, DKCdevvideo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9086682 Now you don't need to imagine

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:09:14 2022 No.9086689 >>9086675 Not really, non-PVM monitors from the mid 80's with 600 TVL 14" or even 400 TVL 9" were a thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:10:57 2022 No.9086693 >>9086689 >mid 80's with 600 TVL 14" Give me 2 examples

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:21:15 2022 No.9086697 >>9086201 For anime watching on CRT I currently use a ps3 with media server, used to have an old PC with nvidia card that had a tv out that could do 480i through composite/s-video/component but it died.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:31:26 2022 No.9086704
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>>9084989
>PVM can take composite, but PVMfags won't do that
I frequently use composite on my not-PVM PVM and love it.

>they'd realize they wasted money and time on an inferior monitor
I can just sell it if I ever feel remorse, it's not like they're getting cheaper, so all the "wasted money" would be on transporting the damn thing (10 bux on a taxi in my case)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:31:49 2022 No.9086705 >>9086693 Sure. https://www.msx.org/wiki/Philips_CM_8833 https://crtdatabase.com/crts/nec/nec-jc-1402hma https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Commodore_1084

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:37:50 2022 No.9086710 >>9085865 This room screams soul, love the wood paneling too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:40:21 2022 No.9086714 >>9086705 600 × 285 and 600 lines in the middle of the screen =/= 600 TVL. You know at least that, right anon? But I that NEC one...yeah it's a beast

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:54:16 2022 No.9086728

>>9086705
Just give you more details, you need to consider only a 1:1 picture when you count the TVL, not the entire screen (because "TVL is defined as the maximum number of alternating light and dark vertical lines that can be resolved per picture height". Think about it as counting the resolution inside a square. If a 4:3 display has a maximum horizontal resolution of 600, the TVL will be 25% smaller (450 TVL).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:55:33 2022 No.9086730 Moved to a new place that has enough space to accommodate a big TV and currently looking for one. What's the biggest size of the tube that doesn't have potential convergence problems?

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:57:30 2022 No.9086734

>>9086714
>600 × 285 and
Look it up, it's 600 TVL. You asked for models, not sources.

>600 lines in the middle of the screen
It's 600. It's measured by how many distinguishable vertical black/white lines it can display, counted horizontally for the height of the screen in the middle.
You *do* know how to count TVL, right?

>You know at least that, right anon? But I that NEC one...yeah it's a beast
You fucked up, no reason to be smug.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:01:32 2022 No.9086738

>>9086734
>Look it up, it's 600 TVL. You asked for models, not sources.
I collect CRTs and I have this model, it's only 450 TVL.

>It's 600. It's measured by how many distinguishable vertical black/white lines it can display, counted horizontally for the height of the screen in the middle. You *do* know how to count TVL, right?

600 lines in the middle of the screen just means that it is the resolution counted from the line in the middle of the screen (not from the botton or the upper side). It still uses 4:3 aspect ratio as reference.

>You fucked up, no reason to be smug.
My first comment was smug af I admit. But now I just want have a conversation that doesn't confuse other anons

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:18:21 2022 No.9086754
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>>9086738
>I collect CRTs and I have this model, it's only 450 TVL.
You made this claim now, so provide source. Hope you're not basing this solely on pitch, since it's not the only factor when it comes to TVL.

>I collect CRTs and I have this model
Also that's funny for a very obvious reason, or two, even if true.

>600 lines in the middle of the screen just means that it is the resolution counted from the line in the middle of the screen (not from the botton or the upper side).
TVL is counted horizontally from left to right (in the middle in this case), for the distance equal to the height of the screen, the definition of TVL in the simplest way. Look it up if you're confused.
Middle is mentioned since thanks to focus being worse on CRTs in the corners, TVL can decrease at the edges.

>It still uses 4:3 aspect ratio as reference.
Aspect ratio itself has nothing to do with it. TVL is counted this way and the reason why some widescreen PVMs that have more lines in total are lower TVL than non-widescreen that have less lines in total but higher TVL.

>My first comment was smug af I admit. But now I just want have a conversation that doesn't confuse other anons
Only one confused here is you, Mr.Collector.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:19:09 2022 No.9086756 >>9086754 I find it funny that there's still people who think TV Lines are the vertical lines

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:21:57 2022 No.9086758 >>9086754 >600 tvl slot mask with 0.42mm pitch and RGB input Damn. Blue board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:22:13 2022 No.9086759 >>9086754 The meaning of TVL is forever lost. I don't feel like trying to convince you otherwise either, I just feel sad. You win

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:22:35 2022 No.9086760 >>9086758 They were pretty popular and are quite cheap these days and easy to get. Good small option.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:23:36 2022 No.9086761 >>9086759 Nothing to be sad about. You can look up the definition of TVL easily and if you already did and found out, glad you learned something. I'm sure it's handy to know as a collector.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:28:00 2022 No.9086763 File: 855 KB, 601x824, fuckvr.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9086761

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:31:40 2022 No.9086764 >>9086763 Don't do it anon, CRTs make life worthwhile.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:34:15 2022 No.9086768 >>9086758 >>9086760 The fact that this anon doesn't understand how contradictory this is...well move on guys

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:37:11 2022 No.9086771 >>9086768 No reason to shitpost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:41:03 2022 No.9086773 >>9086756 we used to have this discussion in almost every thread, it just seems weird at first but makes perfect sense

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:00:07 2022 No.9086798 I just like how PVM sets look desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:06:37 2022 No.9086803 >>9086773 >>9086756 You guys are fucking retards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:11:01 2022 No.9086808 >>9081227 He's talking about a different class of CRT, not CRTs in general. Also you're a nigger.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:17:41 2022 No.9086815

>>9081319
Omg wow really? A free CRT? WOOOOOW that's amazing anon! What are the odds that a decent working CRT could still be had for free in *current year*? I mean that is really something. I bet even if I hunted for years I could never come across such a deal, it's just unbelievable really, congratulations on your incredible luck. I know you're basically the smartest man alive and these normies would probably want to kill you and eat your guts for executing such a monumental pickup but don't worry, your secret is safe with me. You lucky bastard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:20:10 2022 No.9086820 >>9082328 Don't forget >JVC >Panasonic >Ikegami

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:21:48 2022 No.9086821 >>9086803 anon is correct about how TVL works

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 12:29:44 2022 No.9086886 >>9086815 I didn't act like it was hard or anything to do, lol. Don't see why you would act so passive aggressive over a comment like that unless you're an angry PVMfag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 13:19:13 2022 No.9086953 >>9086253 Say, if I play a 240p SNES game, will its motion clarity be better than a PS2 game in 480i?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 13:45:50 2022 No.9087004 Is nitpicking about TVL going to be the latest shitty meme for these generals?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 13:46:52 2022 No.9087009 >>9087004 >calling me out on my misinformation is nitpicking Go back to r/crtgaming if you want to be coddled.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 13:49:13 2022 No.9087016 >>9086953 Not that anon but it depends on a number of factors, most notable being frame rate I’ll notice 30fps games have less motion clarity than 60fps games But that could also be reliant on the set you use

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 14:18:21 2022 No.9087067

>>9087009
Nah. I just come here every once in a while to revel in the shitposting. You guys are a riot. I generally stay out of any online community about my interests because they're all fucking toxic; I like to spend more time actually playing on my CRT than pissing and moaning about what other people enjoy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 14:24:36 2022 No.9087081 Guys, I just found out my JVC D-series has 525 TVL. Is this too many for an authentic experience? I'm really freaking out right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 14:26:43 2022 No.9087090 >>9087081 Too much TVL, any game you beat, you haven't truly beaten it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 14:31:44 2022 No.9087102 >>9087067 >toxic Oh, so Twitter is where you belong. Got it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 14:32:40 2022 No.9087106 >>9087090 nooooo, I can't believe this, I'm literally shaking rn

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 15:03:16 2022 No.9087148 >>9087081 You have to call the developer of the game you want to play and ask him what TVL he intended his game played on. Also make sure to ask if it's intended for shadow mask or aperture grille and choose the set accordingly.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 15:10:31 2022 No.9087161

>>9082209
> lazy devs
Enough with this lazy devs nonsense, it is literally impossible for most games to be fully optimized for 50Hz. If you try you just end up making a mess of the game. Integer math cannot be sped up by 20%, fixed point math can loose precision, physics will be messed up, collision detection might be broken due to characters moving 20% faster. One thing that you will definitely loose is smooth scrolling, because character running speeds and other animations were often chosen to be a whole number of pixels per frame, of course this would no longer be the case if you speed everything up by 20%.

Having a game run slow but be fully in tact is better than having a broken mess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 15:19:10 2022 No.9087183 >>9084702 I had an SD, widescreen, progressive scan CRT about 20 years ago. They were readily available at the time. The difference with progressive content was not as night and day as I'd hoped, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 15:50:13 2022 No.9087246 do i spend 100 bucks on a really sleek looking 32inch crt that has discoloration problems in a corner but its fixed by a magnet in that same spot? i already own a 36inch but this 32 inch is fucking dope looking

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 15:54:42 2022 No.9087251 >>9087246 Seems like you've already answered this for yourself, why ask us?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 15:58:57 2022 No.9087263 What's the average TVL on arcade monitors? If I want to play some Neo-Geo do I use a regular TV or a PVM-like to get the Intended Experience™?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:11:45 2022 No.9087298 >>9087263 To get the intended experience you need an arcade CRT.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:14:24 2022 No.9087305 >>9087263 Arcade CRTs used the same tube as a consumer CRT, so. Mod that for RGB and you're good to go.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:16:12 2022 No.9087312 >>9087251 can you tell me what my answer was?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:21:23 2022 No.9087318 >>9087183 do you remember what brand and model

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:28:10 2022 No.9087332 how do i hook up a VGA monitor to a PC display port? i have the delock VGA to DP adapter but hooking it up that way just turns off the monitor. windows doesnt detect anything to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:38:10 2022 No.9087359 >>9087332 Display port is fucking miserable to work with. If you have any available HDMI slots work with those instead.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:40:24 2022 No.9087365 [DELETED]

>>9087359
i bought the delock adapter quite a while ago because i was told its the only good one. i do have a spare HDMI port but i would need to go out and buy an adapter for that as well. or a VGA to HDMI cable. but why is it that the DP adapter doesnt work? something to do with the resolution or anything? i have custom resolution utility but again, the monitor isnt being detected at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 16:51:21 2022 No.9087383 >>9087359 The DP to HDMI ones are usually the best, stop the bs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 17:38:28 2022 No.9087486 >>9087365 startech DP2VGAHD20 is also good

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 18:02:28 2022 No.9087538 [DELETED]

>>9087332
Re-check all connections, update graphics driver. It should be plug and play.

>>9087359
Shistposting or actaully retarded? DP to VGA is the way to go, HDMI is a joke.

>>9087365
You're correct.

>>9087486
This too, really just depends which one is cheaper for you to get, StarTech is usually on sale in US and DeLOCK in EU.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 18:26:34 2022 No.9087596 File: 85 KB, 1328x360, zelda2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 18:41:20 2022 No.9087638 >>9087312 hello?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 18:53:05 2022 No.9087670 File: 143 KB, 850x850, 1648095204793.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9087596 I use a high TVL slot mask monitor over RGB on what I emulate with shaders to make it look like the right-most picture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 18:53:51 2022 No.9087674 >>9087638 >hello? Is it me you're looking for?

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:02:40 2022 No.9087706 [DELETED]

>>9087538
>Re-check all connections
yeah, that was it. the delock adapter doesnt have those hooks on the DP connector that holds it in place so that was probably the issue.
scarily enough, when i tried plugging it back in under my desk in the dark and the plug touched the PC case it would cause sparks every time it touched it even though the monitor was turned off .but doesnt seem to be an issue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:09:41 2022 No.9087728 >>9087638 hi!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:16:18 2022 No.9087750 >>9087706 >>9087538 its working now but whenever theres a lot of movement on the screen, like moving the camera in a game the screen goes to black for a second every couple seconds.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:22:38 2022 No.9087776

>>9087706
Ah good. Yeah grounding issues with stuff like that are normal depending on your power wiring, etc. Since the monitor is grounded and your PC should be too, but either one of them is not or something else is the issue.

>>9087750
What resolution and refresh are you running at? That sounds interesting...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:25:07 2022 No.9087780 >>9087776 1600x1200@80Hz, standard settings. should i try lowering it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:29:17 2022 No.9087792 File: 1.68 MB, 2242x2073, IMG_20220713_221608.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hello crt bros, so I managed to get my crt tv to output to 480i through the MiSTER cable vga to scart. but there is a problem..

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:34:15 2022 No.9087803
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>>9087792
What I did is that, I clicked on 640*480 mode in cru and then in Nvidia control panel, I created a costume resolution 480i, but I left the timing automatic, so only for a few seconds I get a clear image.
are there any fixes to this problem??

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:37:22 2022 No.9087810 >>9087780 Try but that shouldn't cause any problems to the adapter, it can take way more.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:39:43 2022 No.9087816

>>9087792
>>9087803
I'd try deselecting the checkbox in CRU and deleting the resolution in Nvidia control panel, instead making it under detailed resolutions in CRU and use something like Arcade_OSD to switch to the interlaced resolution after a restart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:45:01 2022 No.9087832 >>9087816 I'm using GTX 1070

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:54:05 2022 No.9087858 >>9087832 Doesn't matter, should work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:57:56 2022 No.9087867 >>9087803 My guess would be your video card outputs HV sync and scart needs composite sync (unless the cable you've got got a sync combiner in it?)

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:04:28 2022 No.9087881
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>>9087810
lowering the resolution to a multiple of 480 is all that i could need so lowering it to 960 did the trick.
i could also try keeping the higher res but lowering the fps but i dont really need it and having a full multiple of 480p helps with watching SD content

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:06:44 2022 No.9087889 >>9087867 >(unless the cable you've got got a sync combiner in it?) Yes. Maybe check next time.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:07:36 2022 No.9087891

>>9087858
well, all the guides I've seen online says that I need to use crt_emu drive, which requires an AMD gpu.
>>9087867
I don't know shit about this stuff but here is where I bout it form:https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/arcadevga/211-cable-arcade-vga-scart-usb-5v-12v-.html

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:08:16 2022 No.9087896 >>9087881 How weird, what monitor, OS and graphics card? Just curious, documenting this. The adapter itself works fine for 1600x1200@80Hz, tested myself too. Glad you got it to work though, enjoy.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:11:14 2022 No.9087904

>>9087891
>well, all the guides I've seen online says that I need to use crt_emu drive, which requires an AMD gpu.
You don't, I've run 15kHz 480i with a DeLock DP to VGA adapter before.
Your problem has to be somewhere in the execution, since you do have it working for short periods when using the Nvidia control panel method, so there's no hardware or software restrictions, just something is off.

Hence why I recommended doing the CRU and Arcade_OSD method. Arcade_OSD has nothing to do with CRT_Emudriver, even when it's bundled with it.

>I don't know shit about this stuff but here is where I bout it form:https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/arcadevga/211-cable-arcade-vga-scart-usb-5v-12v-.html
Yeah that cables joins sync signals. You already had it working too, so we know it's not a problem of the cable. You also had 240p working with the same cable (I remember your wallpaper).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:32:20 2022 No.9087954 >>9087904 Are there any simple to follow guides online? I found this website which the download link takes me to ATOM 15 is this the one? https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewforum.php?id=7

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:37:23 2022 No.9087974 >>9087896 LG Studioworks 910SC, Winblows 10 and a 1060 6GB. also the Delock 62967 and a generic VGA to VGA cable if that matters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:57:21 2022 No.9088031 >>9087954 You can get it separately. https://pastebin.com/3jW9BE6p Make sure you attach to the right screen.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 21:10:59 2022 No.9088071
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>"PVMs look NOTHING like filtered LCDs"
>someone who plays on dozens of different CRTs and its responsible for most of the CRT comparison pics you see on /vr/ confused a filter for a real PVM
lel

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 21:11:55 2022 No.9088075 >>9088071 No idea who that is

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 21:12:37 2022 No.9088080 >>9088071 >the fucked up colors in the filtered image i really hope the person just took a shitty camrip of his screen and didn't actually configure the filter to look that way, color accuracy is kinda the whole thing behind pvms

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 21:14:39 2022 No.9088091 >>9088075 Honestly consider yourself lucky, he's a pozzed fag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 22:25:37 2022 No.9088291 >>9087674 I can see it in your eyes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 22:42:31 2022 No.9088335 File: 1.89 MB, 4032x1908, 20220713_145812.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I found a trinitron on a walk today. Had to carry this fucker about 600m. What is the best way to hook this up to my PC? I want to use it to play fightcade.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 22:48:00 2022 No.9088341 >>9088335 based coomer

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 00:17:30 2022 No.9088582

>>9087318
It was a 32 inch Panasonic. I can't remember the model. It had Dolby Digital built it (two sideways firing speakers built into the chassis, a subwoofer and centre in the base unit, and two normal satellites), 100Hz tube, SCART and component, which was unusual to see on a UK telly at the time. I've had a look on the old Google but can't find it myself, turns out a lot of models used the same chassis. TX32PB50F looks just like it, except some of the options are different and it's missing the component input. Weirdly it still lists a "progressive scan" mode despite having no possible way of inputting a progressive signal.
Heavy bastard too. At least two people need to lift it and even that was a struggle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 00:30:15 2022 No.9088614 Is there a way to do displayport to composite for pc to crt or nah?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 00:31:38 2022 No.9088616 >>9088614 i dont know but ive tried finding a PCI card with composite out and im convinced it doesnt exist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 01:03:01 2022 No.9088680 Oh come on, how can you not have an old graphics card with a TV out or at least VGA laying around? What the fuck do you people do with your shit, throw it away?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 03:06:23 2022 No.9088937 >>9088335 >best way to hook this up to my PC post model or inputs

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 03:15:58 2022 No.9088975 File: 3.96 MB, 4032x1908, 20220713_201522.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9088937 sure thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 03:26:44 2022 No.9089010 File: 2.23 MB, 4032x1908, 20220713_202524.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9088937 >>9088975 >>9088335 I should have mentioned its composite and VHF/UHF my bad im stoned

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 03:57:48 2022 No.9089098 File: 71 KB, 1475x1123, 71wbrd4mSRL._AC_SL1500_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9089010 I think people have had luck with vga to composite converters like pic related, but not sure about whether or not they do scaling or have lag or what

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 03:58:58 2022 No.9089101 >>9089098 No they did not and do not, ALL OF EM lock at really washed out 480i

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 04:03:04 2022 No.9089107 >>9089101 whats the strat big man?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 04:06:42 2022 No.9089115 File: 1.08 MB, 2048x1522, FXFruGMUcAA7cA2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9088071 >le quirky filter app Why people do that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 04:25:08 2022 No.9089141 File: 1.71 MB, 3072x2048, 1633938904219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 05:10:33 2022 No.9089216

>>9088614
Never seen a direct DP to Composite converter, but you can chain a VGA to Composite one, though those are rare and often scale to 480i.

>>9088680
>how can you not have an old graphics card with a TV out
Those are from the AGP era, they're useless. Think they output at 480i, too.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 06:15:15 2022 No.9089315
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I have a Sony Trinitron Multiscan 17se with only the power cord. What do I need to hook this thing up and make it work? Can I hook it up to a Wii via component? Is this a good crt or should I look for different ones for gaming?

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 06:16:42 2022 No.9089318

I wish CRTs were still manufactured. It's sad knowing that one day all of this tech is no longer going to work, and at best will end up being large paperweights in museums unless some very wealthy eccentric people start stepping up to the plate and getting the ball rolling towards fabricating new ones.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 07:12:20 2022 No.9089385 >>9085717 >you vegans are the worst. you seriously think i dont eat steak in front of my crt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:51:52 2022 No.9089502 File: 162 KB, 719x829, RGB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9088031 So I attached to the right screen, but when I chose the 480i mode, I also get no signal screen. also I added the mods from cru

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 09:55:19 2022 No.9089583 >>9088335 >What is the best way to hook this up to my PC? RGB mod it, use DP to VGA.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 09:56:24 2022 No.9089586 >>9089216 >though those are rare and often scale to 480i. >Think they output at 480i, too. >>9089101 >ALL OF EM lock at really washed out 480i Yep.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 09:57:26 2022 No.9089587 >>9089502 What's the modeline under CRU you're using?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 10:51:54 2022 No.9089651 File: 78 KB, 1435x735, new480i.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9089587 at first I used both 240p and 480i at the same time, them I used 480i only, but it didn't work as well. am I missing something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 12:02:52 2022 No.9089761 >>9089115 does look better than unfiltered if done tastefully (that's the key word here) if you have the space for it you should just get a crt tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 12:35:05 2022 No.9089821 File: 820 KB, 604x805, zenkai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9089115 >>9089761 The best of both worlds is to use a consumer-level shader on your CRT PC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 13:16:55 2022 No.9089896 >>9089821 No offence dude but this is just stupid

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 13:50:44 2022 No.9089964
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>>9089651
I wonder too, I can't see anything obvious. I'd love to help you more but I don't have my own old interlaced modelines anymore that I used since I haven't used interlaced in ages.

There has to be a way to make it work simply because it has worked for you already...

I did find this modeline from a old TV profile I still had but I'm not sure if I actually used it or if it was just forgotten there, horizontal shouldn't matter but maybe your specific TV just expects it, this is technically the proper NTSC modeline I think.
Try it, what's to loose, it's still within specs so it won't damage the TV. Really hope you manage to get it to work, otherwise 240p still works fine? Just curious.

When you select it in Arcade_OSD it just goes blank or does it show >>9089502 ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:10:08 2022 No.9089994 >>9089821 Retarded faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:12:56 2022 No.9090001 >>9089896 >>9089994 Yeah, I'd be jealous too if I didn't have a Trinitron PC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:19:49 2022 No.9090015 >>9090001 >jealous of a shitty Vaio branded tube when good 19" and bigger Trinitron monitors are free >calls a Trinitron VGA monitor a "Trinitron PC" like the retards who would hit their monitor when the computer crashed

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:28:22 2022 No.9090028

>>9090015
>when good 19" and bigger Trinitron monitors are free
lol not anymore, this isn't 2013.
>calls a Trinitron VGA monitor a "Trinitron PC" like the retards who would hit their monitor when the computer crashed
So I accidentally a word. Don't get your thigh highs in a twist, tranny.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:30:22 2022 No.9090032 >>9090028 >lol not anymore, this isn't 2013. we've had several given away even in CRT threads on /vr/ and /g/ >So I accidentally a word. Don't get your thigh highs in a twist, tranny. >muh trannyposting

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:31:39 2022 No.9090038 >>9090032 >we've had several given away even in CRT threads on /vr/ and /g/ Yeah, in 2013.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:32:10 2022 No.9090040 >>9090038 no, this year

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:33:16 2022 No.9090041 >>9090040 Uh-huh. Whatever you say.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:35:47 2022 No.9090050 >>9089385 >He doesn't know how to cook inside his CRT...

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:41:06 2022 No.9090059
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>>9090028
>lol not anymore, this isn't 2013.
From the VGA CRTs I've gotten in the past year, two were free Sony Trinitrons, the pic related 21" and also one 17" that is in storage.

Rest from the recent pickups costed money though, one 15" Sony Trinitron that was 10€, one 17" rebranded Trinitron that was 5€ and one 21" Apple Studio Display, which is also a Trinitron tube, that was 30€.
Also picked up a few CRT TVs and 15kHz monitors, couple nice small BTX terminal color CRTs with handles and RGB in, cost 40€ with spare parts in total, a consumer black 20" Trinitron that was 10€ and a Philips 15kHz monitor that was 5€.
Some of those last ones mentioned were 2020 too though and not just past year.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:44:39 2022 No.9090064
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>>9089964
so I after a couple of tries I finally got it to work, here is what I've done:
1. I kept the 640*480@60 mod and then created a custom one just like the one in this picture: >>9089964
2. then I opened Nvidia control panel, and I also created a custom mode, 640*480i, clicked test, it worked for a couple of seconds before reverting back to no signal screen on my crt tv.
3. after that I unsnecked the old mod from Nvidia and clicked ok, what I did after that is opening Arcade_osd and choosing the interlaced mod, which finally allowed the TV to work on 480i
so thanks for the help anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:46:03 2022 No.9090067 >>9090059 Yeah, I too can make up shit to win arguments online. Cool PCs, though.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:48:06 2022 No.9090071
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>>9090028
>>9090059
Also many of pic related were free too and I got them after 2013, like late 2010's, for example the 22" Trinitron rebrand Sun.

>>9090067
I'm not that anon, I just wanted to show that free CRTs haven't gone anywhere.
Don't have to believe me if you don't want to though, I just thought it might motivate people to look for CRTs they can get for free instead of not even trying since they think it's all expensive deals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:49:31 2022 No.9090075 File: 1.51 MB, 2249x1932, heslookingforbeans.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9090064

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:52:50 2022 No.9090083

>>9090064
That's awesome, anon! I'm glad to see that. I'll document this, written down known working methods are always good to know, thanks.

Remember you can export profiles in CRU too, to back them up. So you can play around some more without having to worry about fucking up, like add 576i and 240p/288p if you want to have all the resolutions on your TV if you need them.

Anyways well done and have fun, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 14:54:07 2022 No.9090087 >>9090028 >lol not anymore, this isn't 2013. Yeah, I too can make up shit to win arguments online.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 15:05:04 2022 No.9090105

>>9085272
it stimulated a market that's basically aids.
> oh cool old tech that looks cool and will work and this company is just about to throw it away.
>oh now its 2009+ and even the liquidators are charging hundreds for sets they would have literally tossed to any college kid that drove up.
other than that..who cares

> p.s it also kind of impacted pricing for a lot of tech ( also the horrid stranger things show didnt help AT ALL) cassette recorders, tube tvs, laserdisk shit, hi-fi switchboards.. its just way more "trendy" than it is cool. Ive owned 1 PVM and 1 BVM they are really cool (too heavy) but these things are old as FUCK and wavey lines, calibration, capacitor replacement...I dont have time for that shit so I sold them, and now I use a sanyo that was hardly used ever. and guess what? it actually looks better. the type of tube and set hardly matters in my opinion.
>how new is the unit
>how many hours it ran
>how much life does that tube have left...
>no remote for you pvm? ok..cool
> under 20 inches? oof
>no speakers? OOF
> only one speaker mono? sad.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 15:05:10 2022 No.9090106

>>9090071
crt availability is really dependent on where you live. where i live i was only able to find pc monitors for $70-$100. tvs are a different story tho, they've been cheap or downright free tho recently people have caught wind of why they're getting collected and are trying to charge you more for it. still, i've been able to find even those cheap

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 15:07:28 2022 No.9090113 >>9090105 That's kind of the rub with such old tech, yeah. You can't only look at the specs like you can with something still being made.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 15:11:20 2022 No.9090119
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>>9090106
Of course a lot depends where you are located, you can still get lucky but the odds in some places are more against you than others.
But yeah I'm in Europe, with examples from two different countries. Hence why I used Euro so people understand what market I mean.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 15:45:12 2022 No.9090184 >>9090075 game?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 15:48:58 2022 No.9090191 >>9090184 gayman

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 17:20:38 2022 No.9090413 >>9089216 Then just use a PCI-E card with VGA out, throw in a transistor and a few resistors to combine the sync, set up an appropriate modeline and you've got an RGB SCART output. Literally no excuse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 17:23:38 2022 No.9090415 >>9090184 metal gear solid

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 18:33:18 2022 No.9090579 >>9090413 Overkill, don't you have HDMI or DP ports? Only reason to use a graphics card with real VGA over a dongle would be if you want to run very high resolutions and refresh rates with 10-bit color, which for /vr/ reasons is useless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 19:11:30 2022 No.9090661 >>9090579 a delock adaptor cant do that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 19:24:33 2022 No.9090685 >>9090661 The DeLock DP to VGA adapter that gets shilled here does 15kHz, guaranteed.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 19:25:46 2022 No.9090686

>>9084425
JVC Chad.
I had 1700 a while back I got off eBay for like 250 shipped 6 years ago, my buddy has it now and it looks like it could use a recap and some work.

Currently have a 20L5 and a 14L5 I got locally for around the same price and I think I did prefer 240p stuff on it but I think I like the Sony set for 480i/P

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 19:27:44 2022 No.9090694 >>9090685 >Go to store >Shelves are full of shit >Find a single brand that doesn't sell shit >Share the experience online >"IT'S SHILLING" So, should we all just tell the newbies to buy trash and laugh at their expense?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 19:55:46 2022 No.9090754 >>9090694 Just saying it's the one that people recommend, usually because they have one themselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 20:14:35 2022 No.9090783 >>9090579 Why would I bother with finding a specific dongle that just happens to work instead of using the VGA port that my GPU already has built in?

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 20:17:43 2022 No.9090786

>>9090783
Most dongles work, even those cheap Chinese ones, they mostly all use the same chips and the differences are on the upper end, not the lower, like 240p. Anon above just asked about a specific one.
The DeLock and StarTech are recommended here because they literally 20 bucks on Amazon and very easily accessible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 20:18:56 2022 No.9090791 >>9090783 >using the VGA port that my GPU already has built in? Do that if you have one? No idea why you'd ask something that dumb.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 20:39:24 2022 No.9090849 File: 578 KB, 744x561, snip.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this worth $150? 6 games, the NES and the CRT. Seller says the pin connector in the console is showing some age and might need to be replaced.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 20:49:27 2022 No.9090862 >>9090413 Not having SCART in is a pretty good excuse. >>9090786 In my experience, buying blind is throwing money away. Do your chipset research, kids, and don't forget cheap chinkshit keeps getting changed.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 21:12:51 2022 No.9090913

>>9090862
>In my experience, buying blind is throwing money away. Do your chipset research, kids, and don't forget cheap chinkshit keeps getting changed.
Yep, not recommended to buy blind but I have a box full of adapters I've gathered over the years and almost all of those are fine, not a guarantee though.

>Not having SCART in is a pretty good excuse.
RGB mod, if your main purpose it to hook it up to a computer anyways, it makes more sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 21:42:04 2022 No.9090961 Im about to own a PVM, its a 14N5U. Anything I need to know about them? I mainly wanna use it to play wii and N64 but im unsure if wii has a good S-video cable. any suggestions on cables or accessories would be appreciated

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 21:47:44 2022 No.9090981
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Anyone know what could be causing this floating artifact on my CRT? Just kind of wiggles around the same spot.
Not noticeable when the whole screen's being used, only when it's black.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 21:57:37 2022 No.9091001
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>>9090961
They're overpriced meme monitors that look far more like a LCD than a CRT anyone would've used for gaming. PVM owners (as well as emulator fags who sympathize with their taste in sharp chunky pixels) will lash out at me for saying this, but it's true.
>>9084989
Note that no one's been able to refute this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 22:00:52 2022 No.9091009 >>9091001 well as of right now I only have 3 CRT's (2 trinitrons and 1 magnaxov) that only do composite, so unless there is somehow I can get instructions on how to rgb mod them, the pvm is a nice upgrade

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 22:23:46 2022 No.9091074 >>9090754 Right, I'm sorry. Though you must know "shilling" has a negative meaning here, of people only recommending something if they're being paid for it, regardless of product quality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 22:26:13 2022 No.9091084 >>9091009 but your PVM isn't even RGB not that it matters and it's still a nice CRT

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 22:27:18 2022 No.9091087 >>9091001 >Note that no one's been able to refute this. see >>9085147

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 22:32:27 2022 No.9091096 >>9091074 No worries and I know, I used it more half jokingly and thought people would get it, since it's actually a well known and good product.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 23:15:02 2022 No.9091186 >>9082209 Sounds like you got a 100hz set

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 00:26:25 2022 No.9091325 Can anyone recommend a small CRT kinda of like this? >>9083196 maybe even with a vhs player. Mostly looking for one I can off to the side on my desk.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 00:40:23 2022 No.9091341 >>9091084 it has S-video though?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 03:27:17 2022 No.9091652 >>9091325 Commodore/Amiga monitors, Philips CM8xxx monitors and other monitors that has RGB on it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 03:32:58 2022 No.9091662 File: 437 KB, 2048x1536, received_3370573776508363.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] D-Series ftw. 0$ almost unused.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 03:41:55 2022 No.9091692 >cl and fb listings with 50's tvs for over $100 saying that they want to turn it into an aquarium or that it would make for a good aquarium this shit makes me immensely angry

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 04:21:40 2022 No.9091765 >>9091692 Inb4 flamewars between sharp fishes vs blurry fishes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 04:42:43 2022 No.9091803 >>9090981 could be damage to the mask

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 07:33:56 2022 No.9092047 >>9091186 No, a lot of PAL TVs just supported 60Hz and NTSC.

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 07:37:10 2022 No.9092052

>>9087161
You can make a game for 50Hz just like you can for 60Hz, there's no difference in that way, it is budget porting forced by the studios though, not the devs being lazy, the devs do what the people paying them tell them to do and in this case it's "make it work in the cheapest way possible".

>One thing that you will definitely loose is smooth scrolling, because character running speeds and other animations were often chosen to be a whole number of pixels per frame, of course this would no longer be the case if you speed everything up by 20%.
CRTs have no pixels and this would depend on the size of the screen it's being shown on in the first place. There's many good ports that fixed the speeds instead of just making it slower and there's no problems with scrolling. You didn't think this argument through or maybe it was just a shitpost and I'm too autistic to notice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 07:56:54 2022 No.9092086 >>9082070 I have the bvm d20. It doesnt look like that at all in person.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 09:16:48 2022 No.9092226 >>9090059 >>9090071 >>9090119 I kneel

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:04:39 2022 No.9092304

>>9091084
I saw that you can do something to the board to allow for RGB on the 14N5U but there arent very well detailed instructions on it. Is S-video just as good or does it not compare to component? I would be playing the N64 on it anyway and its has the pixel FX mod, which is why i ask

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:07:36 2022 No.9092308 >>9092304 You can RGB mod most sets including PVMs S-Video is totally fine for such a monitor, don't worry

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:16:39 2022 No.9092319 >>9092308 ok cool, I wish there was a video to show how to mod my specific model, but if S-video is fine I'll work with it. never used S-video though, is it really just 2 cables? like i said its my first PVM

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:19:36 2022 No.9092321 >>9092319 it's 1 cable with three wires inside, chroma, luma+sync and ground

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:21:40 2022 No.9092323 >>9092321 im assuming i'll need a upscaler as well or some kind of converter box?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:24:56 2022 No.9092324 File: 112 KB, 1500x1500, 1632532731742.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9092323 nope, just get a S-Video cable for your console and hook it up to the PVM, done

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:31:00 2022 No.9092327

>>9092052
Yes you can make a game 50Hz. But you cannot easily make it both. A game may have thousands of separate variables which are advanced per frame many of them integer. Speeding them up by 20% is not as simple as changing some constants, you cannot add 1.2 to an integer.

Sonic runs at 6 pixels per frame. If you increase that by 20% that is 7.2 pixels per frame. 7.2 is not a whole number of pixels per frame, so the screen will not scroll smoothly anymore.

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:40:34 2022 No.9092332 [DELETED]

>>9092327
>Sonic runs at 6 pixels per frame. If you increase that by 20% that is 7.2 pixels per frame. 7.2 is not a whole number of pixels per frame, so the screen will not scroll smoothly anymore.
you make it 7 since the .2 would not make a difference anyways
you just have to stick to specific rules and you can have a game that plays identically, no different than making it from the ground up for 50hz

that takes more time though and more time means more cost, so nope

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 10:55:07 2022 No.9092350

>>9092332
>you make it 7 since
This is exactly my point, all over the code base things are rounded up here, and rounded down there. And in the end its not the same game anymore, the physics do not work the same, animations and sequences out of step with each other. I would rather it just run slow and correct, rather than a mangled mess.

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 11:01:04 2022 No.9092361

>>9092327
>>9092332
>>9092350
What are you retards on about. You don't change things like running speed, you keep it 6 pixels per frame.
You don't have to do any changes to gameplay, just timers, so it plays exactly the same, not slower or with 7 pixels per frame, etc. How idiotic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 11:02:47 2022 No.9092363 >>9092361 I know it's not hard but sadly most PAL releases were just the NTSC ROM on a PAL cartridge

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 11:07:05 2022 No.9092369 >>9092361 PAL has fewer frames per second. So you need to increase the speed of everything in game to correct for this. This includes increasing running speed from 6 to 7.2 pixels per frame.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 11:18:11 2022 No.9092384 >>9092350 I don't see your problem Real consoles had variations between them that made bigger impact on timings than such a port would be

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 11:20:44 2022 No.9092389 >>9092369 PAL is also higher resolution. You adjust the picture for the higher vertical resolution while keeping the same aspect ratio, suddenly those 6 pixels are the same amount of distance. Have you never seen proper PAL ports?

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 14:01:30 2022 No.9092778
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>>9091001
>that rainbow banding in the composhite screenshot
lol, and you fags have the gall to shit on others for their taste? Chemical Plant Zone is supposed to be an oil factory, not a fucking gay pride festival.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 14:06:08 2022 No.9092793 >>9092778 pretty good bait

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 14:31:48 2022 No.9092898

>>9092778
Chemical Plant Zone designer here. Yuji and me were lovers, but the higher-ups on Sega would never approve of such union. The rainbow bandings are our testament that even in dire circumstances, our love would shine through. The fact that it made to the final game is proof that our hearts beat the same, then and now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:04:11 2022 No.9092972 >>9092898 Holy shit, really? Did you do any other stages?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:04:42 2022 No.9092974 File: 79 KB, 640x640, apeescapeprojector.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:32:40 2022 No.9093063

>>9092972
Not only that, but a whole new game: Nights Into Dreams. After the accident, when I was strapped onto the wheelchair, I remember telling Yuji, as I watched the birds fly:

- Maybe, one day, I also will be free from these constraints and soar into the sky...
- ...
- Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to bother you with my selfish desires...
- Fuck it! I won't do it!
- ... What?
- Saturn Sonic! I won't do it!
- B-but, Yuji...
- I've decided! I'll make your dreams come true in a game of ours!
- They won't accept! They are already telling I'm a dead weight now! Please, just carry on without me! You know Sonic is needed.
- For whom? Not me! What I'm needing right now is...
- Please, don't say it!
- Is you! Come with me! I don't care about sales anymore! I want the whole world to play our fantasy! Let's celebrate our love with a party in the sky!
- H-hai...

Six months later, we already had a demo build of Nights Into Dreams. Yuji was very jealous of our project, and didn't let anyone touch it. It was the embodiment of our love. The rest is history.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 16:14:31 2022 No.9093180 File: 3.11 MB, 4000x3000, IMG_20220715_173312.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] my crt is very smol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 16:25:12 2022 No.9093205 If I buy a monitor on ebay, what are the chances it won't get destroyed during shipping?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 16:51:12 2022 No.9093248 >>9093205 15%

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 16:59:30 2022 No.9093267 >>9084701 Pretty cool anon, go tell /x/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 17:26:34 2022 No.9093329 is 200 good price for an olympus 143

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 18:25:11 2022 No.9093448 >>9093329 No.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 19:09:52 2022 No.9093557 File: 1.05 MB, 1790x3326, 20220715_133750.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Found this big boy that is sadly going to get recycled. It has S-video too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 19:13:51 2022 No.9093565 File: 2.26 MB, 4032x1816, 20220715_134007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9093557

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 19:16:10 2022 No.9093572 File: 1.90 MB, 1784x3200, 20220715_134007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9093557 Non fucked pic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 00:01:26 2022 No.9094217 >>9093329 yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 00:23:52 2022 No.9094263 File: 1.06 MB, 1512x2016, crtshit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how much can i realistically get for my VMP 454 diamondtron in a few years if this retro consoomer craze goes on? i dont use it anymore cause im not a manchild or tranny

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 00:36:22 2022 No.9094281 >>9084058 >>9084181 >>9084426 Oh, totally! Period-accurate premium gear is for losers. Especially losers who got it cheap and are laughing at you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 00:44:09 2022 No.9094304 >>9094263 presumably you were both previous

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 00:44:40 2022 No.9094306 >>9084525 Gumtree often has a few. Or maybe put up a wanted ad.

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 00:47:26 2022 No.9094318

>>9084989
>>“ It’s a technique where by slightly changing the color of surrounding pixels, to the human eye it looks like the pixels move by around 0.5 pixels. ” explains Kazuhiro Tanaka, graphic designer on Metal Slug (1996).
so, you're shilling for RGB with that post, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 01:18:22 2022 No.9094386 >>9089318 There's laws in the way and no way to make it profitable. Likely several people looked into it but none saw it as a worthwhile venture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 06:07:04 2022 No.9094963 >>9093180 playing light gun games on smaller crt's is so much harder

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 06:10:56 2022 No.9094973 >>9094963 i also have a much bigger crt but it's flat screen and lightguns work like shit on it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 06:22:03 2022 No.9095004 >>9094973 Same issue I have with my 100hz Trinitron.

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 07:00:11 2022 No.9095045

>>9094386
I know, that's the sad thing. There's also very few people in the world who can still rebuild tubes as well, one of them being this guy who works at the Early Television Museum in Ohio http://www.earlytelevision.org/ of course they deal with really ancient sets, some of them prewar and pre-NTSC with tiny screens. And even in their case, rebuilding CRTs is not practical beyond dealing with their own stock and inventory. Maybe this will change as more interest develops, but it does seem that there's a lot of obstacles in the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 07:50:23 2022 No.9095094 >>9094386 >There's laws in the way and no way to make it profitabl just need to use different metal than lead in the tubes is all

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 09:38:32 2022 No.9095258 >>9095094 Don’t think that’s possible unless there’s another cheap metal that blocks X-rays The only reason it’s considered hazardous is when it’s being disposed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 09:51:22 2022 No.9095273 >>9095258 Tungsten could probably work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 11:22:35 2022 No.9095394 >>9095273 Tungsten might be a bit hard to shape

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 11:27:30 2022 No.9095401 >>9095394 Actually looking it up now, glass having lead actually increases clarity as well as the radiation shielding I don’t think tungsten has the same effect

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 11:46:13 2022 No.9095417 >>9095401 Tungsten is great for radiation shielding, but I'm not sure about clarity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 12:06:34 2022 No.9095453 >>9095417 Yeah, apparently “crystal” glassware is glass containing lead

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 12:24:04 2022 No.9095476 >>9095453 Yeah. They apparently had a higher percentage of lead in the past, though now lead crystal glassware sold today either has less lead content, or uses barium, zinc, or potassium as alternatives instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 12:40:33 2022 No.9095505 >>9095476 And I don’t think those are radiation resistant

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 12:46:45 2022 No.9095513 >>9095505 Barium is somewhat, I think, but not so much the others.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 13:13:59 2022 No.9095542 hmmm

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 13:29:20 2022 No.9095561 >>9081223 Daily reminder that you don't have a PVM

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 15:23:52 2022 No.9095731 >>9092778 >rainbow banding on oil factory?!??!? WTF SEGA?!?! lol faggot get out of your basement and go look at an oil spill sometime

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 15:41:29 2022 No.9095762 File: 1.85 MB, 922x1155, guncoom.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9093180 >holding guncon two-handed Plug the controller in port two and all buttons act as a pedal. Thank me later anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 15:44:48 2022 No.9095771 >>9095258 all metals absorb xrays m8

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 15:51:51 2022 No.9095783 how difficult is it to find a small (20-24 inch) tv with component these days?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 16:27:20 2022 No.9095862 >>9095783 they're less common since less were manufactured but a lot of sets made in the 2000s have them. especially those silver flatscreen sony and toshiba crts

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 16:58:20 2022 No.9095940
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>>9095273
>>9095401
>>9095417

Lead was used to both block X-rays and strengthen the tube from implosion. It was the primary reason Sony's engineers were able to create the FD Trinitron in 98, which is why they are typically much heavier than their same size counterparts.

Due to being a necessity of everyday life at that time, CRTs were grandfathered in (Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA)) when laws were passed restricting it.

>>9095771
Lead is the only element that blocked X-rays enough to satisfy EPA requirements for daily household use.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 17:53:46 2022 No.9096042 >>9081208 AWW FUCK YEAH

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 19:48:12 2022 No.9096301 >>9095258 The solution is to create a religion that makes use of CRTs mandatory. And then sue the government for religious discrimination until they make an exception.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:02:09 2022 No.9096671 File: 211 KB, 1485x1122, crt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can you identify this CRT? Ad says it's 29", nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:14:11 2022 No.9096694 >>9096671 Philips 29PT8302

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:15:02 2022 No.9096696 >>9082036 you can literally get the exact same image (and even sharper) from a $10 VGA monitor on craigslist

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:16:00 2022 No.9096698 >>9096696 On original hardware?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:17:37 2022 No.9096705 >>9096698 yes? what are scalers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:18:35 2022 No.9096708 >>9096694 Thanks! So it's 100Hz and thereby useless for gaming?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:24:51 2022 No.9096727 >>9084994 is that the prototype? also, my cat passed that day :(

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:25:38 2022 No.9096730 >>9096708 It will work just fine. >>9096705 >what are scalers? I have no idea. I just plug my consoles into my monitor directly.

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:30:46 2022 No.9096740

>>9096730
this is a high end line-doubler primary marketed to RGB-autists to be used on flat panels.
https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/retrotink-2x-pro
however, you can use a decent $15 HDMI to VGA adapter to plug this into a VGA monitor. voila, the "professional monitor" experience for a fraction of the price. it comes with scanline filters of course, so your eyes bleeding is optional. there's also this: https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/2x-mini
which im pretty sure is $60 normally. if your autistic ass can accept s-video, you can save 60 bucks.
but sure, it's just sour grapes over an overrated experience you can replicate easily :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:33:02 2022 No.9096747 >>9096730 Maybe I'll pick it up. That model got 2 RGB Scarts and S-video. Seems to have built in amplifier for external speakers too. Do you know if it's usually possible to disable 100Hz mode?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:33:46 2022 No.9096750 >>9096740 lol that's fucking absurd. My autistic ass simply plugs an RGB BNC cable into the back of my monitor.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:34:17 2022 No.9096751 >>9096750 congrats, i don't think that's worth a few hundred dollars, and neither do most people

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:38:07 2022 No.9096759 >>9094263 nothing, i'll take it off your hands

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 22:39:52 2022 No.9096765

>>9096747
I was under the impression that 100Hz sets typically have a setting you can disable. Some will automatically switch to 60Hz or 50Hz depending on the source. I can't seem to find an English language manual for that Philips TV so I can't be sure.

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 23:02:52 2022 No.9096824
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just picked up a toshiba 14AF43 today at a garage sale for $12 still in really good clean condition, hell they even still had the box, remote, and the foam it came with. is it better than my PVM 14N5U since it has component? or is the S-video quality gonna be better than component?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 23:09:13 2022 No.9096842 >>9096751 I spent more on my PVM than I did on my living room tv... because I don't have a living room tv. New games suck, new movies suck, new tv shows suck. All I need is a Trinitron with plenty of switchable inputs.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 00:06:10 2022 No.9096972

The issue with lead in CRTs I think is ultimately negligible. If it ever comes a day when new ones are manufactured from scratch, it's going to be for a niche market: retro video games, museums, and the like. And unless you're hitting each and every single tube one with a hammer and smashing it, and breathing in the fumes, the hazard posed is practically non-existent. You'd have much more of a risk with lead-acid batteries in cars than you would this, and overzealous regulation not based on any real science-based evidence doesn't change that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 00:08:01 2022 No.9096979 >>9096972 I don't think the lead in the CRT's is a problem as I stated before, the problem is the lead when they're disposing of them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 00:13:53 2022 No.9096990 >>9096842 i dont have a living room TV either, but im not about to spend several hundred dollars on a well used tube. i got a NOS 17 inch monitor for less money.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 00:49:59 2022 No.9097041

>>9096979
That's a good point, however, the lead can be reused for other applications when that time comes, properly handled and processed of course. But as I said before, lead is widely used in lead-acid batteries, and the demand for lead in that application is increasing. And I'm sure there's a safe process to dispose/reuse such lead, so I don't see why the same couldn't be done for CRTs as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 00:52:45 2022 No.9097043 >>9097041 >I'm sure there's a safe process yeah there absolutely is they're just just against you tossing it in the trash same with a lot of electronics

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 01:03:07 2022 No.9097057 >>9097043 Well, of course. I know in my county they have a program specifically for ewaste and the like. Naturally.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 01:05:59 2022 No.9097060 i have the same one, incredible little set. picture is very clear and vibrant. im always keeping an eye out for a bigger version in the same series.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 01:08:12 2022 No.9097063 >>9097060 meant for >>9096824

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 01:39:19 2022 No.9097106 >>9096824 What a steal, that looks really nice and clean.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 02:13:54 2022 No.9097194 >>9095940 >It was the primary reason Sony's engineers were able to create the FD Trinitron in 9 quick rundown?

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 02:36:52 2022 No.9097240

>>9095940
I see. I don't see why if CRTs were to be manufactured again they couldn't be made exempt from the more stringent regulations, as long as proper disposal/reuse of lead procedures were followed. Lead is after all still widely used in car batteries, and you're more likely to be exposed to lead from that than a CRT TV set or monitor.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 02:43:15 2022 No.9097252

>>9097240
As the other anon said, at the time CRTs were the primary display technology on the planet and had been for nearly half a century. Now they're see use in obscure legacy tech at best and our selection of 3rd world hellholes to dump creation/disposal waste on has further dwindled

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 03:03:11 2022 No.9097292

>>9097252
Yeah, but that's my point, CRTs are not going to be the dominant display tech that they were in the last century, but I could see a niche industry around them, similar to how vinyl/phonograph records are today in the audiophile community. So the lead issue is even less of a problem. And how much lead goes into making a CRT? For a vehicle battery, it's about 18 pounds, a CRT can't be more than that, can it?

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 03:03:42 2022 No.9097294
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>turn on my old trinitron to witness how gloriously awful RF is
>NES is a piece of shit that has endured years of abuse but still works
>having some trouble getting the picture to come in, have to wiggle the cable in just the right spot to get it work properly
>in the middle of testing this I'm cycling through the channels to see if it was set to 03 or 04
>go too far to channel 96
>suddenly there's music playing full blast
>there's no video, just typical snow but it's picking up an audio source
>the sound of commercials and music start overlapping each other
>mfw I somehow stumbled across a radio broadcast using my tv
>mfw I have no face for this scenario
have a picture of the screen instead

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 03:25:21 2022 No.9097331

>>9097194
There's vacuum inside the tube, so it has to withstand the air's pressure or it would be crushed. Now, with a curved screen, the pressure can be nicely distributed, but with a flat one you don't get that privilege, so the screen itself has to be much stronger to avoid implosion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 04:02:13 2022 No.9097419 >>9097106 yeah unless I find a better nicer PVM I think this is gonna be my CRt for a while, all the inputs I need aside from SCART.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 04:57:00 2022 No.9097568 >>9096727 >also, my cat passed that day :( RIP cat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 05:11:07 2022 No.9097587 >>9097292 No, regulation-wise being niche means you don't get to squeak by on shit, not the other way around

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 05:11:36 2022 No.9097590 >>9097292 everything is a cost benefit analysis. with how burdensome and costly crts are to make and transport compared to the ever improving flatpanel displays, especially oled, the best you can hope for in the future are (decent) imitations.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 06:31:36 2022 No.9097707

>>9097587
Not sure what you mean. I'm not suggesting cutting corners or skirting regulations that actually make sense. I keep going back to my point with vehicle batteries, there's at least a billion vehicles in the world, and most if not all of them use batteries that have lead in them, and use on average 18 pouunds of lead in the manufacturing process. By contrast, a CRT uses on average (just looked it up) 4-8 pounds in the manufacturing process, coupled with the fact that CRTs will remain a niche product, it makes the concern about lead content a bit overblown. This is unlike the debate with lead-based ammunition, where animals hunted as game meat using such ammunition can affect other animals and humans who end up consuming the game meat, because of that, some hunters have begun using non-lead bullets mostly using copper and the like. To give another example of an industry where lead is still largely used.

>>9097590
Sure, some good points here, however, there are technologies that have long since and largely fallen out of dominance, an example being vacuum tubes for audio signal amplification. They were the standard in audio equipment, until the 1950s and 60s when they were replaced for the most part with transistors, and other solid-state devices. Yet, in spite of that, there is still a niche market for such tubes and amplifiers (both old and new manufactured), and it is quite expensive. For just one 300B model tube made by Western Electric, it's sold for ~$700 USD https://www.westernelectric.com/300b and I generally see people that have setups with 4 or more of these tubes. Expensive, and niche, but Western Electric manages to stay in business and remain profitable. For some reason, CRTs haven't had as much luck, despite being essentially and fundamentally the same tube technology, just scaled up and used in display rather than audio.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 06:53:57 2022 No.9097759

>>9097707
>Yet, in spite of that, there is still a niche market for such tubes and amplifiers (both old and new manufactured), and it is quite expensive. For just one 300B model tube made by Western Electric, it's sold for ~$700 USD
I feel like you just capped your own argument, there. A CRT tube is far more intricate and hard to make. I'll grant you could do some of it by hand, but The parts you can't? The tolerance of manufacturing was something honed over decades. A machine to do the slot-masks or grilles for any tube people would actually want is going cost tens of millions to design and test by itself. The polishing, the furnaces, the silica itself. For what expected return?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 07:34:37 2022 No.9097808 File: 146 KB, 1297x766, Screenshot 2022-07-17 002400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have found a Sony Trinitron 520gs in my area. What would be a reasonable price for this monitor? I live in the US btw

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 08:32:26 2022 No.9097908 >>9097808 if it's working, it's nice and bright, and that shit wipes off the screen, $200 ausbucks would be a good price because 20+" monitors are really rare now. It depends how available PC CRT's are in your area.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 09:00:06 2022 No.9097945

>>9097759
>I feel like you just capped your own argument, there. A CRT tube is far more intricate and hard to make.

It's essentially the same: You have the tube that's vacuum sealed, you have the electrons, and the filament. Just like with vacuum tubes for audio, there can't be any impurities or faults, or else it won't work correctly. It is true that it probably is a bit more involved, only because CRTs are being used for displaying images than audio amplification, and the masks or grilles needed for color display. Where it would really get tricky is how should a TV/monitor chassis be made, and if configuring the set should be done through on-screen menus or in a more manual sense with knobs and the like, video imputs, etc. Dotronix https://dotronix.com/our-work/dnr-series/ is already doing the later, of course, they have to rely on what tube stock is still out there, if there were another company that was just producing the tubes to be able to supply them, then CRTs can be made completely new.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 09:52:28 2022 No.9098008 >>9089115 Are these mock ups? Or are they trying to do new things with Mvc?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 10:24:05 2022 No.9098051 >>9097808 Complete with the guys cum sprayed all over it

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 11:20:45 2022 No.9098153

>>9097945
>Where it would really get tricky is how should a TV/monitor chassis be made
When you can get $50 chassis from Aliepxress? More to the point, there's a guy called Thomas Daede working on a homebrew chassis project right now, the TD-CRT. It's on github, you can google it. It's a long way from release, but he plans to make it capable of scanning 480p on SD sets - the amount we can do with digital control has increased exponentially, so the controls will all be on the OSD. The chassis and controls will be cheap.

Manufacturing is where the money's going to go. Machines that make other machines are the most complicated and most expensive part of any industrial setup. I just don't see all of it being made by hand, i guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 11:24:20 2022 No.9098163 >>9097808 Way too much. Reasonable would be 15€.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 11:31:41 2022 No.9098178

>>9098153
Also, you have to make the screen panels and the funnel glass. It's not just blowing little cylinders, the parts have to be machine-stamped by big presses injected with glass straight from a furnace; glass that has to be made from really pure silica doped in the right ways.

There's just so many pieces to get right, so much knowledge that would need to be recreated. Saying well, we know how to build vacuum tubes, so... It's like saying well, we know how to make a rocket engine, getting to the moon should be a snap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 11:32:49 2022 No.9098179 >>9098163 And i disagree. You can't find PC CRT's that size for love nor money where i am. I'd pay that asking price if it's in good nick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 11:53:25 2022 No.9098208 >>9098008 ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 15:07:35 2022 No.9098519 Is it okay to use my trusty composite CRT to play PC games or should I get a CRT monitor for the best experience?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 15:09:48 2022 No.9098520 >>9098519 Monitor PC games often used small text which looks terrible on composite

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 17:30:34 2022 No.9098791 >>9082230 Which wizardry is this

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 17:42:04 2022 No.9098812 >>9097908 It's american dollars, not ausbucks,would it still be worth it?

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 18:09:43 2022 No.9098880

>>9098178
It still amazes me that modern technology is so complex it's only viable in the very fragile framework of multinational capitalism, and processes and industrial capability can be forgotten on the drop of a hat. Like manufacturing something that was commonplace 20 years ago is now alien to us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 18:13:20 2022 No.9098885 >he needs more than composite

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 23:11:22 2022 No.9099640 File: 329 KB, 948x1038, Screenshot_20220717-180908_Samsung Internet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Someone is giving this away for free. It is a Sharp 27", but I already have a 27" I'Art.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 23:33:05 2022 No.9099680 >>9098812 As before, it depends on how available big monitors are in your area, what condition it's in, and how much you want it. If i didn't already have a working 21" Sony, i'd be all over it. But that's based on the factors above.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 23:33:15 2022 No.9099682 >>9099640 so post the link and give another anon a shot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:22:15 2022 No.9099814 >>9099682 https://nextdoor.com/for_sale_and_free/a178c940-d250-4afa-9bd9-51d8f8c754bf/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:29:47 2022 No.9099831 >>9099814 cool, thank you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:36:31 2022 No.9099847 >>9099831 Hope you are in Houston.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:42:41 2022 No.9099868

>>9099847
Nah, I'm nowhere near it and wouldn't need it anyway, I've got what I want for now, but I still try to throw up stuff I find in my area so anons can be aware of them, so I appreciate the link. About the only thing that would get me to spend any appreciable money/travel CRT wise right now is going to be a 1702 or a 1084

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:46:01 2022 No.9099878 >>9099868 Well no problem! I do hope someone from here picks it up since I would hate for a resell fag to get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:52:36 2022 No.9099893 In fact https://harrisburg.craigslist.org/ele/d/camp-hill-toshiba-24af43-crt-tv/7510080908.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 03:16:20 2022 No.9100176 >>9082457 that's a real BVM brosef

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 03:25:47 2022 No.9100191 >>9089010 based shin-chan

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 03:58:27 2022 No.9100267 I never really got a straight answer aside from one guy, but are PVM's really a meme? or is it truly for autists like myself that care about good color and image?

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 04:13:09 2022 No.9100307

>>9100267
Of course they have higher quality colours, these were production monitors with calibrating and shit.
They are usually of very high build quality so the do last quite some time if taken care of.
I think it’s just personal preference, yes they are very nice but it’s just if you want to pay for it.

Also consumer tvs in Murcia need rgb-mods in Europe you can skip this process.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 04:28:07 2022 No.9100338

>>9100307
yeah I only ask cause the PVM I have can apparently be RGB modded, but Im really inexperienced with the internals and I dont know anyone in my area with expertise. So on one hand I wanna stick with my CRt since it has all the inputs I need but I'd really like to own a PVM, only downside is it only has S-video

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 05:13:56 2022 No.9100421

>>9098880
>Like manufacturing something that was commonplace 20 years ago is now alien to us.

Not only that, but the only reason CRT's cost $200 retail was the mass production efficiency from 50 years of perfecting it. It was completely automated from start to finish, with a few techs making sure nothing went wrong.

Building these individually outside of an assembly line would be $10,000 a pop, and the machinery used to make them have long been scrapped.

3 days before Sony shut down their US plant in California, some brave guy runs through the floor with his camera rolling, probably getting laid off anyway...

https://youtu.be/yNkIgVwr_nQ

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 07:08:39 2022 No.9100593

>>9100421
>Building these individually outside of an assembly line would be $10,000 a pop, and the machinery used to make them have long been scrapped.
I reckon higher, DESU. The yield would be tiny, they'd have to scrap so many for small defects the price of a quality item would skyrocket.

Cheers for the vid tho!

>>9100338
>>9100267
Meme in what sense? That owning one makes you into a cliche? As the other anon notes, they're lovely. Some people prefer then, some don't. I find my 900TVL BVM is a little too sharp for my taste, but my 600TVL PVM-2043 was awesome. Some people prefer consumer sets. Some people like to rub vaseline into their eyes and go for a hike. Makes the colours blend together. Up to them, really.

S-Video is pretty nice - have you tried it? You can also find guides to RGB mod your PVM, just keep reading/watching and take a look at the RGB modding thread on the shmups forum. When you start to notice patterns in what you're seeing, you're starting to learn :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 07:21:53 2022 No.9100619 >>9100593 Like i said im new to the whole CRt/PVM scene, where would that RGB modding thread be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 07:43:37 2022 No.9100654 >>9100619 https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56155

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 07:47:01 2022 No.9100658 >>9100654 much appreciated anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 19:52:08 2022 No.9101909 >>9099640 >>9099814 Guess someone already picked it up. Hope it was someone that will use it and not some mexican that's going to throw it away at a scrap center.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 19:53:30 2022 No.9101910 >>9081215 you only need to listen to a vinyl vs a mp3 to understand that vinyl is superior in every day. kys you contrarian faggot

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