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9069835 No.9069835 [Reply] [Original]

A 30 second demo of Sonic running around a hill was totally worth a couple of programmers literally almost dying, I must say.

>> No.9069851 [DELETED] 

>>9069835
Based. American programmers are a cancer.

>> No.9069873

>>9069835
>a couple of programmers literally almost dying

Is this a schizo forced meme or something that really happened? I'm not sure at this point.

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>>9069873
Christopher/Christina Coffin was the one who got really sick due to "working conditions" and almost ended up in a coffin. Rumor has it, it was excaberated by "treatments" at the time, which is why Sega wasn't sued. 100% serious, not joking. Sonic-Cult was forbidden from calling attention to it overmuch.

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>>9069882
>Christopher/Christina

>> No.9069887

>>9069835
they we're making the mother of all omelets
can't fret over every egg

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>>9069873
Xtreme's development being hellish is pretty well-attested to. Some devs had to basically live in their offices. This behavior wasn't uncommon for older Sonic games but Xtreme's much longer development made it really take its toll.

>> No.9070009 [DELETED] 

>>9069882
>Christina
Xtreme was damn near 30 years ago. Why do these old fucks think they can troon out?

>> No.9070019 [DELETED] 

>>9069882
>trans
>Coffin
>sonic programmer that nearly died from autistic dedication attempting to get the Saturn to strain out passable 3D graphics
Fuckin wewwwww

>> No.9070031

>>9069835
Fuck them, they were incompetent enough to think their PC Sonic engine would run on Saturn at higher than 8 fps.

>> No.9070042 [DELETED] 

>>9069882
tranny coding expertise

>> No.9070053 [DELETED] 

>>9070009
Anons, Chris transitioned around that time, the rumor is that hormone treatment in combination with gamedev overwork was what caused the near-death exhaustion and Senn made the call to pull the plug on the Saturn ver.

>> No.9070061 [DELETED] 

>>9070053
true shit!

>> No.9070067 [DELETED] 

>>9070053
That's not true at all, Coffin lived as a man for quite a while after Xtreme's cancellation, being credited in the Saturn port of Quake. 4chan does a good enough job of hating trannies without you fanning the flames.

>> No.9070086 [DELETED] 

>>9070067
He still lives as a man because he is one
go back to your containment board >>>/lgbt/

>> No.9070097 [DELETED] 

>>9070086
Nah, I'll keep posting. It's funny seeing your anxiety over LGBT people.

>> No.9070104 [DELETED] 

>>9070097
i dont need to be anxious cause im not genetically predisposed to chopping me dick off, i'm just here eating a cheese toastie

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>>9070067
>Coffin lived as a man for quite a while after Xtreme's cancellation,
I'm honestly just going by memory here, not trying to be malicious (don't confuse me with the trollanons.
>being credited in the Saturn port of Quake.
In fairness, the name norms haven't quite been established yet, 10's values aren't 90's values. That said, if there's more definite proof that this happened after Xtreme's cancellation, I'd gladly accept that I'm wrong about the timeline of events.

>> No.9070143

Sega Technical Institute deserved to be disbanded. The story of wasted potential and horrible mismanagement.

>> No.9070156 [DELETED] 

>>9070097
Saying you're disgusting parasites who deserve to die and soon will do is not "anxiety". The entire world despises you. Only globalhomo corporate is keeping you alive and that has already started cracking. In 20 years time the pendulum will swing, as it always does in history, and you'll be hunted like rats. There is no future for you either biologically or socially.

>> No.9070162 [DELETED] 

>>9070156
Not him but nobody wants you here. Please go away.

>> No.9070171 [DELETED] 

>>9070162
"All opinions are welcome except yours." the post. Would be one thing if it was some anon popping in on an unrelated thread complaining about autogynophiliacs, but the thread topic concerns and naturally shifted to the discussion so grow some thicker skin already.

>> No.9070175 [DELETED] 

>>9069882
>treatments
sauce?

>> No.9070182 [DELETED] 

>>9070097
>LGBT people
Most people don't mind faggots that much, you know? The "T" has nothing to do with the rest.

>> No.9070183 [DELETED] 

>>9069882
>Christina
Should have died back then.

>> No.9070186
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>makes a better 3D sonic engine in a year

pfft nothing personal yanks

>> No.9070187

>>9069835
>embezzle millions of dollars for a flagship sonic game exclusively for sega saturn
>hire only two people to make it
>only one does any work
>money goes ???
>one working gets sick
>makes the game for PC instead
>spends years only creating a handful of awful looking demos
>no game
>no direction
>no plan
>just keep pumping money into it
>do some asinine stunt with Japanese tech teams that further hurt relations
>overwork the one person on the team to the point they get hospitalized
>still no game
No matter how you look at it, the goal seems to be to not have a game to ship.

nintendo fans need to stop making this thread

>> No.9070216 [DELETED] 

>>9070104
You may not be anxious, but there's certainly people here who are, like >>9070156. You don't say things like that about those you're unafraid of.
>>9070115
That is true but everyone involved refers to Coffin as a man and all the pics we have show Coffin as one. People didn't even realize Coffin was trans until a few years ago, where people tracked her down to badger her about the game. There's no smoking gun but on the flip side, there's also no real evidence that Coffin was transitioning around that time. Not to mention Senn got severely ill working on the game too and is very probably not a tranny.
>>9070182
If you hate faggots then theres a good chance you also hate trannies, spending 10 minutes on Grindr will tell you the line between them is thin. There is a relatively small portion of people who want to "drop the T" but that is recent, and is essentially just throwing trannies under the bus to appease bigots. It won't work.

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>>9070216
Forgot to upload, kek

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I'm not sure if X-treme would've been a good game, but it is a wonder how a mainline Saturn platformer would've affected the rest of the series. How would the introduction of Tiara in the Sonic mythos have changed things, given that she's supposed to be another love interest for Sonic? Would there have been an ongoing love triangle dynamic going on? Would Tiara have made it in Heroes as a "revived" character? Would Cream have still been created to fill the void of lack of female characters? Would Amy even have been aged up in her Adventure redesign to be a better match for Sonic? So many questions we'll never know the answers to.
Also bonus picrel fact: Tiara, coincidentally or not, looks a lot like a westernized version of Amy as she was originally introduced in the manga.

>> No.9070230 [DELETED] 

>>9070216
I don't have any particular like or dislike for faggots. They can go do their thing, it doesn't really bother me. Trannies however are different. Tolerating their existence requires a denial of reality. To refer to them the way they want requires one to lie. Their existence rests wholly upon an ideology that is vile and evil because it requires the participation of others in their mental illness and delusion. And they are indeed going to cause a backlash for your entire ""LGBT"" movement as long as they are part of it, and it's starting now if you haven't noticed.

>> No.9070239

>>9070221
It's really hard to say. Sonic Team and STI always had friction so I could see a stubborn sense of pride preventing Sonic Team from using STI characters. I guess it ultimately depends on if STI itself would've stuck around had X-treme finished.

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>>9070230
Damn son maybe go make some friends or take some meds or just get off of this website. It'll help you stop caring so much about how other people live their lives so you can have a life of your own.

>> No.9070249 [DELETED] 

>>9070241
Typical gaslighting response that I expected. Yawn.

>> No.9070254 [DELETED] 

>>9070162
you really are a retarded faggot who will never appreciate forum culture. What's the point of coming here to preach to us? Clearly we're not predisposed to thinking women are an abstract concept, so being soppy is a complete waste of your time. I mean, you clearly understand that we do things our own way, so if gender is some ambitious undertaking that is up to interpretation why the fuck can't I interpret your torn taint as not being my business? Have a cheese toastie and STFU

>> No.9070260

>>9070186
>>makes a better 3D sonic engine in a year
>pfft nothing personal yanks

The game engine was apparently designed for an F1 game. It wasn't perfect, and hide the draw in, behind different layers of transparencies. The game was put together rather quickly too.

>> No.9070264 [DELETED] 

>>9070249
The funny thing is nobody really gave a shit whether you sucked dick 10 years ago, but now these people are creating their own problems by being obnoxious cunts. So many whinging dropkicks nowadays and deadshit losers who have never worked one job before that 2010 is more culturally similar to 1980 than to 2016

>> No.9070267 [DELETED] 

>>9070104
samefag

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take the tranny dick out of your heads, retards

>> No.9070272 [DELETED] 

>>9070171
>"All opinions are welcome except yours."
Saying that people will be "hunted like rats" is a bridge too far if you actually understood your rights.

>> No.9070282 [DELETED] 

>>9070249
What response is there to give? I've already pointed out that the "drop the T" concept is recent and relatively fringe. The line between fags and trannies is very thin, thus separating them is ultimately a contradictory concept that will never become mainstreamed. You even acknowledge this:
>And they are indeed going to cause a backlash for your entire ""LGBT"" movement as long as they are part of it
I know you get dopamine rushes from arguing online but if you just keep repeating things, then there's nothing left to do except mock or ignore you.

>> No.9070293 [DELETED] 

>>9070270
okay wtf, so who is this then: >>9070219

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>>9070270

>> No.9070308 [DELETED] 

>>9070270
>no source given
Sega Retro is extremely hit or miss, I wouldn't put stock in thatY2KGP

>> No.9070317 [DELETED] 

>>9070282
I didn't read your post.

>> No.9070327 [DELETED] 

Control freak jannies don't even want you to talk about the development of a retro game! They'd much rather you talk about Crysis

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Lol tranny janny nuked half of the thread because muh hurt fee fees

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troon

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>>9069835
You were all blaming the wrong Chris for Xtreme's downfall; it's all on Senn, and here's how we know (starting here): https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/8132140/#q8133220

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>>9070376
Reposting for posterity (yes, he really did write this).

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>>9070390

>> No.9070394

>>9070260
Yeah, but at least it released.

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>>9070392
Somehow I wonder if the person who commented really thought it was her.

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>>9070396
Oh god there's more of 'em. Also: smoking drama! =o

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>>9070407
Yep. "Breaker" is actually the legally-distinct Sonic stand-in in this weird little..fanfiction(?).

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>>9070418
And we end off with a reference to "Vader" who unfortunately seems to be lost to the blog archive. Your guess is as good as mine. My money's on Knuckles.

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>>9070428
BONUS FUN TIME: ANONS GO WILD!

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>>9070440
I tnink this one's an actual fanfic ironically

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>>9070447
Higher quality version of >>9070440 by itself if you want to, y'know, use it for sonething silly, ya weirdos.

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>>9070451
This one might be a long-lost entry, I can't tell anymore guys.

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>>9070454
Last one, lol.
I hope this strange dive into Senn's headspace is somehow enriching and, hopefully, gave you a few laughs along the way.

>> No.9070754 [DELETED] 

>>9070459
What did Ken do that he's referring to?
>Too late asshat.
most jej

>> No.9071106 [DELETED] 

>Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric - Principal Designer
poor bastard

>>9070754
tried to copyright a bunch of his shitty Echidna OCs, Scourge, etc and sue Sega, Archie, and Bioware over a similar characters in Sonic Chronicles for the DS and money.
Archie/Sega contract papers were lost in a """"random fire"""" but some people paid some good cash to get what was supposed to be there at that one court case with Penders. Either this is nothing or Pender is fucked via SEGA countersuing.

>> No.9071213 [DELETED] 

any reason why we can't talk about the developer for X-Treme, even without LGBT bashing, Mr. Fo'free?

>> No.9071517

>>9069835
Its lovely seeing people sperg about this not being released because of naka, sega or some other bullshit like it clearly wouldn't be a piece of fucking garbage on a dead console

>> No.9071551

>>9070186
>looks good
>sounds good
>pure jank to control
Bong/10 checks out

>> No.9071559

a full-fledged Sonic World game would have been fine, maybe sonic wouldn't have been able to go that fast but it was a sensible compromise

>> No.9071571

If only Yuji Naka hadn't been a selfish fuck about them using his code.

>> No.9071578

>>9070187
>nintendo fans
???

>> No.9071653

>>9071571
The attempt to switch to the Nights engine was a last minute desperation for an already doomed project and wouldn't have saved it anyway, considering how badly fucked it was by management the whole time. If anything, Naka did them a favor.

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I know most will disagree with me on this, but I seriously wish we would've gotten Sonic X-Treme because it looked like it was going to be fun. I suppose I just have low standards, then again I'm someone who managed to enjoy installments like Sonic 3D Blast quite a lot, and didn't mind others like Sonic Labyrinth and Sonic Blast all that much, but from the footage I've seen, which I don't know if it's from an actual build of Sonic X-Treme or not and would love to have that clarified if anyone knows, it looked fun to play, even if rough around the edges, if the development wasn't such a disaster and actually had the time and care needed by SEGA from the get go, this could've been good afterall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzvS_beXtXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq_iPxQsbm0

>> No.9072434

>>9069835
>dat fisheye lens perspective
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?

>> No.9072451 [DELETED] 

>>9072216
Years of goth fetish psyop has me down horrendous, sorry dude she's just dropped out I have to say it

>> No.9072452

>>9072216
Years of goth fetish psyop has me down horrendous, sorry dude she's just dripped out I have to say it

>> No.9072470

If this was really the idea for the game, the stuff we saw in trailers, it needed to have come out in 1995. By the time Super Mario 64 came out, Sonic X-Treme was instantly dated. If it had released after that point it probably would have become one of many black sheeps of the franchise.

>> No.9072508

>>9072452
I think it's pretty cute, I had a goth ex-fiance though

>> No.9072578

>>9071571
That was debunked

>> No.9072902

>>9071578
saturn fans aren't very interested in what didn't come out for their console. sonic is the only sega ip nintendo fans know. nintendo fans are obsessed with cut content and unreleased games so far as they even make their own and pass it off as the real thing for e-cred. Discord shitposters console war here constantly against nintendo's competitors both former and present. So huh?

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>>9072508
He really dodged a bullet there

>> No.9073046

>>9070187
>defending overworking employees to own the "nintendo fans"
go outside. to a park or something. seriously

>> No.9073085

>>9073046
>get owned after wanting the overworked employee to work harder to deliver a game for a console you don't even own
not interested in a date no matter how serious you are anon

>> No.9074002

>>9072452
>>9072508
>>9073004
What's wrong with having a big titty goth GF? Are they really troublesome or too much work?

>> No.9074021

everything you read about Sonic X-Treme was one endless clusterfuck of fail and AIDS

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>>9074002
So many things. But you fapping to your own fake titty instgram is downright wrong.

>> No.9074126

>>9070186
As a racing game it blows. Give me Sega Rally any day of the week or even shitty Saturn Daytona.

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>>9070186
What's interesting is that Traveller's Tales had to make Sonic R in 9 months, and as flawed as it was, there's a lot of good in it, the same goes for Sonic 3D Blast. I wonder how things could've turned out if, instead of SEGA always having them do a spin off in a few months, they let them make Sonic X-Treme from the get go with all of the development time Sonic X-Treme had, perhaps it could've been finished and released, and maybe even good. I know Traveller's Tales aren't exactly held to the highest regard, they did release stuff like Rascal for the PS1 afterall, but after watching Jon Burton's channel, Game Hut, it became clear that a lot of their failures or mediocre titles were mostly due to always having to release things with short development cycles, or when executives downright make them change their projects in ways that ultimately doomed them, they were good developers in the 90's.

>> No.9074786

>>9074772
Burton is an excellent programmer and sometimes had great ideas. The problem is, he couldn't design fun gameplay if his life would depend on it. Just look at Haven on PS2. Great idea with massive potential, but everything is executed rather poorly and the game is just not fun. Most of his games have this problem.
He's the bong version of Carmack, but sadly never got his own Romero.

>> No.9074797

>>9074786
I agree, but at the same time I feel like this is something which could've worked since Sonic's gameplay isn't too complex to grasp, and regarding level design, for Sonic R they brought the level designer from the Genesis trilogy, which explains why the track design is actually quite decent, if they didn't try anything crazy and did their best to simply translate Sonic into 3D, while keeping the level designer from the Genesis trilogy like in Sonic R, it could've worked out well.

>> No.9076060

>>9069873
I don't recall the exact details, but apparently both Christina Coffin and Chris Senn moved into their offices and worked on Sonic X-Treme non stop to make sure it'd make the deadline, eventually Coffin contracted Pneumonia, and Senn was told by a physician that he had 6 months to live if he kept working that way, with both Coffin and Senn being ill and unable to continue the project, SEGA cancelled it.

>> No.9076416

There was no reason to believe STI were competent or qualified enough to take on a project of this scope.

>> No.9076441

>>9076416
I don't think SoJ had much faith in STI.
It's just that all their dev teams but Sonic Team were busy with arcades.
Every interview with am2/3 always showed how they didn't gave a fuck about the Saturn.

>> No.9076471

>>9074772
TT had its own Sonic X-Treme moment a decade later with Crash Twinsanity. They were given full freedom by Vivendi to make a successor to Wrath of Cortex in two years. Close to the deadline they only had some disjointed gameplay concepts with no coherent vision. The only reason the game wasn't cancelled was the fact that they had a proper functioning game engine with some mechanics already implimented and that legitimately impressed the producer visiting the studio, originally intending to announce the bad news.

>> No.9077323

>>9076416
Indeed, what had they made until that point? I know Sonic 2 is one of them, but it wasn't actually STI in its purest form, but actually a lot of the developers from Sonic 1, when it comes to STI by themselves I think they had only made Sonic Spinball. Why did SEGA even let STI work on the next main line Sonic and his transition to 3d? Did they not understand how important that was for the Saturn's success?

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>>9070031
What really messed Sonic X-Treme up from the get go was the odd decision to let the boss engine be developed using the single development kit SoJ sent them, while having the main gameplay and levels engine be the one who'd get ported over later, it should've been the other way around as the levels and general gameplay are obviously more important in a Sonic game than its bosses, I have no idea how they messed something like this up.

>> No.9078450

>>9076441
>>9077323
If you read the interviews for NiGHTS, you get this feeling that they were trying to replace Sonic, which sounds insane but it does kinda makes sense, since Sonic himself replaced a former mascot (Alex Kidd). Not to mention, Sonic wasn't near as popular in Japan as in the west, which I think prevented SoJ from realizing just how important Sonic was. Just another example of how Sega's regionalism caused their doom, I guess.

>> No.9078461

>>9078450
As a follow-up, yea it's easy to piss on the choice to use STI but if Sonic Team's off making NiGHTS, who else do you pick? Might as well go with the team that at least worked with Sonic Team on actual Sonic Games.
Besides, STI pales in comparison to Sonic Team but they're not all bad, Kid Chamelon and Comix Zone were breddy gud. Spinball is garbage but that game was extremely rushed.

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>>9069835
to be fair it also gave us this.

>> No.9079843

>>9072578
>That was debunked
Yuji Naka debunking this is a conflict of interest and thus isn't 100% believable.

>> No.9080006

>>9079838
WOW! YOU EXIST!

>> No.9080014

>>9080006
yep, xtreme indirectly created baldi as well

>> No.9080043

>>9079838
Without a doubt. One of, If not THE BEST sonic game out there.

>> No.9080573

>>9072902
>source?: my own gay headcanon

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>>9078450
>>9078461
I'd say SEGA's main mistakes were:
1. Not having Sonic Team work on the next main line Sonic game which would be his transition into 3D and a crucial system seller for the Saturn in 1996's holiday season.
2. Choosing STI for it even though they had little to no experience whatsoever with developing in 3D and didn't even have a Saturn development kit when they got chosen.
3. STI choosing to use the development kit for the boss engine instead of using it for the main levels, doing the latter without it and then porting it over to the Saturn further.
All of these mistakes are baffling and just kept adding up on top of one another, which lead to a disastrous development, and to the Saturn's failure in the west as a whole.