/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9065581]

Why was it acceptable to use sprites on a console that was supposed to push polygons?

[Anonymous No.9065589]

[Anonymous No.9065594]

because you touch yourself at night

[Anonymous No.9065596]

>>9065581
All fifth gen consoles mixed sprites and models, and they would blend in well on a CRT. You're just a shit-stirring zoomer who's only played these games on a flatscreen.

[Anonymous No.9065618]

>>9065596
Diddy Kong Racing came out virtually the same year and used full polygonal models as you'd expect from an SGI machine.

Is Nintendo EAD just inept?

[Anonymous No.9065619]

[Anonymous No.9065714]

>>9065619
those tires are sprites

[Anonymous No.9065723]

>>9065581
Technically this isn't a sprite even though Mario's flat.

[Anonymous No.9065745]

>>9065618
and that's why it runs at 20 fps or less the entire time

[Anonymous No.9065760]

>>9065723
This. So much this. Sprites are pixel are like undertale

[Anonymous No.9065771]

thwomps are fulyl rendered

[Anonymous No.9065773]

Hilariously enough, when looking up evidence for the common cope about MK64's frame rate, I found a test in which it dipped into the low 20s rendering a scene where over 50% of the screen's real estate consists of 2D sprites. How do you fuck up this badly?

[Anonymous No.9065775]

>>9065723
I didn't know Mario owned a flat

[Anonymous No.9065785]

>>9065773
Oh yeah, that stage always lags like crazy, particularly around that part.

[Anonymous No.9065792]

>>9065581
because it was a fun game

[Anonymous No.9066675]

>>9065618
Mario 64 had tons of really fucked up coding design decisions and inefficiencies. Meanwhile Rare was talking about how they were designing levels in CBFD in such a way that they would utilise the entire texture cache while streaming textures off the cart to maximise visual quality.

Nintendo has never really pushed the envelope visually with first party titles anyway.

[Anonymous No.9066678]

>>9065773
MK64's decomp authors are constantly aghast at the programming decisions Nintendo made with that game.

[Anonymous No.9066765]

>>9065581
Why do you ask loaded questions without establishing your assertions?

[Anonymous No.9066772]

>>9066678
What I want to know is why that's the only game with a data decompression AND compression algo present in the ROM.

[Anonymous No.9066794]

>>9065618
Even Diddy Kong Racing doesn't use polygons for everything. Balloons, bananas, even the tires of the karts are all 2d sprites.

[Anonymous No.9066798]

>inb4 this guy decides to come in and make 3d karts+characters a reality in a couple years from now

[Anonymous No.9066950]

>>9065619
That tree in the back is also a sprite.

[Anonymous No.9067034]

>>9065775
Mario owns an entire block of flats, retard. He was literally Shigeridoo’s landlord.

[Anonymous No.9067037]

Back then you could barely tell that MK64's racers were sprites because the N64's resolution was so tiny. That's why when people emulate it they say it looks worse than they remember.

[Anonymous No.9067145]

>>9065581
>>9065773
Mario Kart 64, Super Mario 64, and Ocarina of Time were in development at the same time. Most of the work was done on SGI Indy workstations because it had a similar processor (the N64 has two CPUs just one with extra bits for doing graphics and sound) and the Indy would be doing most of its 3d rendering in using the CPU.

All three games have weird jankyness. Mostly because there is a shit load of inefficient code all over the place. The inefficiencies wouldn't have slowed down an Indy workstation (the CPU was a beast in its day) but on a real N64 were resources are limited and really annoying timing issues come into play shit can get a bit janked up.

[Anonymous No.9067163]

>>9065773
I don't think you know what a sprite is

[Anonymous No.9067257]

>>9067145
>jankyness
>janked

>Suspicion: 100.0000000%

[Anonymous No.9067328]

>>9065589
Aw hell naw they killed toad

[Anonymous No.9067356]

>>9065773
The only 2D sprites are the racers what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.9068002]

>>9065619
>>9065618
Sprites take more effort to make than 3D models and depending on the game are magnitudes more efficient, but since you've never created either you wouldn't know that.

[Anonymous No.9068012]

people back in retro times
>let's play mario kart, it's fun
people in non-retro times
>let's complain about stretched screenshots from emulators and digital foundry framerate dissection videos

[Anonymous No.9068029]

It simply wasn't time to start pushin p

[Anonymous No.9068038]

>>9068002
peak /v/intendo post

[Anonymous No.9068069]

>>9067356
The trees.

[Anonymous No.9068080]

>>9068038
>console /v/arrior tries to foist his lineage off onto someone else
a tale as old as time itself
back to /v/ kid

[Anonymous No.9068089]

>>9068080
peak /v/intendo post

[Anonymous No.9068132]

>>9065581
> n64
> sprites
everything on the n64 was a polygon. are you stupid?

[Anonymous No.9068137]

>>9068002
>he thinks the MK64 sprites aren't just 3D renders they've turned into a spritesheet

[Anonymous No.9068176]

>>9066798
what language is this?

[Anonymous No.9068203]

>>9066675
>2001 game is better at pushing its hardware to the limit than 1996 game
Hmmm...

[Anonymous No.9068225]

>>9068069
You really have no idea what you're talking about and your youtube zoomer eceleb videos won't teach you, retard.

[Anonymous No.9068264]

>>9065581
Early versions of the game seem to have run better, is there a reason why? I assume because the videos weren't actually running off a n64, but I also seen comments about excessive smoothing filters Nintendo added to the final build

[Anonymous No.9068289]

>>9068225
peak /v/intendo post

[Anonymous No.9068294]

>>9065581
On a CRT, the sprites look better than the models from DK racing

[Anonymous No.9068297]

>>9068289
back to /v/, projecting console /v/arrior

[Anonymous No.9068516]

Who gives a shit

[Anonymous No.9068526]

>>9065775
He means Mario's chest is flat

[Anonymous No.9068542]

>>9068137
They are rendered with far more detail than real time 3d, and need to be cleaned and retouched to look good as low-res sprites

[Anonymous No.9068543]

>>9065581
Because it looks good?

[Anonymous No.9068547]

>>9068264
There's hardly any geometry there. Almost no polygons on screen.
I don't know that the classic N64 blur has much effect on performance. Quake lets you turn it off, and the game doesn't really perform any differently.

[Anonymous No.9068552]

>>9065581
It looks pretty good on real hardware at 320x240, arguably better than what polygons could depict, and does not affect the gameplay.
Unfortunately they couldn't predict dumb zoomers playing it at high-res resolutions with inaccurate high level emulation and texture filters on LCD screens

[Anonymous No.9068571]

>>9068547
ackshully turning it off has a pretty big impact on input lag for some reason

[Anonymous No.9068680]

>>9068264
>is there a reason why
majikoopa's magic

[Anonymous No.9068914]

>>9068264
That's just a tech demo not an early version. Look how Mario and Bowser do not collide. No game logic. No AI, drivers just follow preset paths. Graphics are also unfinished and ultra simple, and the camera is looking at some external void instead of the rest of the circuit.

[Anonymous No.9069146]

>>9068547
>Almost no polygons on screen.
maybe I should've used another course like this one for my initial webm, but I guess this one doesn't have that many polygons either.
>>9068914
>Look how Mario and Bowser do not collide
Character collision is shown later in the clip, but I do agree that it's most likely a tech demo.

[Anonymous No.9069747]

>>9068176
>can't recognise a couple of the oldest languages in programming

[Anonymous No.9069793]

>>9068552
It didn't back then and it doesn't look good now on a LCD screen, this revisionism is all made up by people who have no idea of how it was really like back in the day.
Diddy Kong Racing, Mickey and CTR all looked better with actual polygonal karts even if the wheels were sprites.

[Anonymous No.9069832]

>>9069793
a sane poster on MY /vr/intendo?

[Anonymous No.9071282]

>>9068552
this.
>>9069793
no one bat an eye at the time it came out. We didn't even realize they were 2D sprites, we were too busy having fun. It looked good and played well and that's all that mattered.

[Anonymous No.9071824]

>>9071282
>We didn't even realize they were 2D sprites,

Well come on now let's not be too hasty, it was really obvious. But yeah I agree that it looked fine and that nobody should care about it very much except historians trying to analyze Nintendo's decisions out of historical interest.

[Anonymous No.9071836]

>>9069793
The racers in Mario Kart 64 looked better than Diddy Kong Racing when it was new, and they look better now.