/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9064884]

Well I just beat it. Was pretty good, but Braska's Final Aeon was pretty tough

[Anonymous No.9064896]

wasn't anything special desu, if it weren't for that item you get from the chocobo minigame that you can use with rikku's limit break to oneshot most bosses I wouldn't have bothered to finish it

[Anonymous No.9066278]

>>9064884
Only FF I've played where the endgame is less interesting to me than the main game.

[Anonymous No.9066356]

>>9064884
Looking back, it was a great last game for the Final Fantasy series and I'm glad they never made any more after it, they would have just ruined it

[Anonymous No.9066453]

>>9064884
Is there a way to skip the random fights in the remaster? Or at least make them less frequent? Shit’s driving me crazy.
>inb4 zoomer
I felt the same when I was playing the game on my PS2 when it came out, never finished it for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.9066525]

>>9066453
use cheat engine and speedhack, if you're a console fag, get fucked

[Anonymous No.9066605]

>>9066356
12 is good as well though. Even 13 isn't as bad as people meme

[Anonymous No.9066764]

>>9066605
>Even 13 isn't as bad as people meme
Yeah, it's worse

[Anonymous No.9066773]

>>9066764
Eh. I won't lie and say that it doesn't takes WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long to get going but it's more fun than the NES games at least.

[Anonymous No.9066843]

>>9066605
I played 13 way after the shit has calmed down. The combat isn't button mashing as the meme implied, there's a surprising depth with the paradigm mechanic. The music is as good as what you expect from FF. But there's no excuse for the absence of cities and exploration, and if you got memed into hating Lightning, that's gonna detract a lot from your enjoyment. The sequels are better though, can't say the same with X-2.

[Anonymous No.9066853]

>>9066843
>But there's no excuse for the absence of cities and exploration
Yeah I have no ide why the fuck they thought this was a good idea. Imagine how sick a fully explorable city would have been at the time with those graphics?

[Anonymous No.9066993]

>>9066356
Auron is so cool

[Anonymous No.9067045]

>>9066605
I played 13 shortly after release and liked it because I had no standards back then, but upon a replay it really isn't good. The combat is decent, it's definitely not my favorite JRPG combat but also not terrible. The music is pretty good. But everything else is bad. The memes about walking down hallways the entire game are really accurate, and even Pulse doesn't have much to explore once you get there (and by that point you're close enough to the end of the game that you'd probably rather just hurry through to get the game over with anyway). The story is a fucking mess considering more than half the game's lore is shit you have to read about in the menu rather than be shown in-game, and even then it's convoluted and not good. The characters have good designs, but almost all of them are insufferable personality-wise outside of Sazh and maybe Fang. It's funny how people used to constantly say Lightning is just female Cloud because she's not, she's female spin-off Cloud after they ruined his character and made him some brooding depressed edgy guy

[Anonymous No.9067050]

>>9067045
Forgot to mention, but 13-2 is a huge improvement over the first one. Way better gameplay in general, and a story that you can understand without reading wiki entries, but it still suffers from the fact that it builds off of the first one. Never played Lightning Returns outside of the demo, but I thought the gameplay seemed cool. I know the ending though and it's the stupidest shit I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.9067090]

>>9067050
how stupid?

like that star ocean where u find out ur wold is just some computer mmorpg/matrix/truman show shit.

or the next game where 2 of the MCs, end up in space, dont die then u turn round and pick them up in ur space ship

or infinite undiscovery where the MC finds his way back from the moon after 2 years.

it wouldnt be square enix if it didnt have some stupid shit

>>9066843
>The sequels are better though, can't say the same with X-2

i finished 13 not long after it came out, the cutscenes were the only good pat, the rest was shit, i bought 13-2 on release, but never played it, X-2 i played alot, it was actually good

[Anonymous No.9067110]

>>9066605
13 makes the cardinal sin of a Final Fantasy game not feeling like an adventure. Yes 10 was basically a corridor too but it gave an acceptable level of illusion of a grand world. 13 felt like running through abstract corridors with rubbish characters for forty hours.
Excellent music though.

[Anonymous No.9067121]

>>9067090
I meant that XIII trilogy starts with disappointment that gets better upon each installment, X-2 was a farce that ruined X's poignant ending. They could have made a prequel about Braska's journey or anything to flesh out the amazing world-building and theme of sacrifice. But you just have to bring Teedus back, Yuna. And that excellent novella that follows.

[Anonymous No.9067125]

>>9067090
Lightning ends up in real world (as in our real world) Paris.

[Anonymous No.9067138]

>>9067110
>13 makes the cardinal sin of a Final Fantasy game not feeling like an adventure.
I can agree with this

[Anonymous No.9067142]

>>9067125
>the creator made his waifu real
Truly inspiring.

[Anonymous No.9067161]

>>9066843
>if you got memed into
For the record, and I still haven't played it yet, I haven't heard any memes about Lightning. She's off-putting to me based on the appearance of the character (that fucking cape, seriously) and the clips of the gameplay that I've watched. I'd be open-minded if I had a chance to really sit down and play, but there's also nothing attracting me to the game, nothing pulling me in to make me think it would be worth my time.
>>9066773
>it's more fun than the NES games at least
Not a very high bar honestly. I loved FF1 when it came out but it's very rough to play today. There was a big quality jump for JRPGs between 8-bit and 16-bit generations, especially Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.9067175]

>>9067125
So she can shill Luis Vuitton? Yeah, baby. If you don't like her, just imagine being stuck in an exploitative and dehumanizing industry as a divine punishment.

[Anonymous No.9067207]

>>9067161
The game's just poorly written that she's never got a chance to develop in a single game. Imagine if Squall never got off that standoffish cunt phase. That said, I don't know how to sugarcoat enough to sell this game other than for completionist sake.

[Anonymous No.9067220]

>>9066843
I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t go down on that pink muff

[Anonymous No.9067231]

>>9067125
doesnt surprise me, they did the same thing with one of the endings on drakengard, which i think was the ending that spawned the nier spinoff

[Anonymous No.9067268]

>>9066605
I liked XIII. It’s far from my favorite though.
Tidus acted as a ‘fish out of water’ which gave the game an excuse to explain how the world worked to the player. XIII didn’t do this at all and just threw all the explanations in a menu. World building wasn’t natural and the player likely didn’t care about it as a result.

[Anonymous No.9067373]

>pretty tough
>I had to scroll through a LOT of menus this time!
Why are jarpig players like this?

[Anonymous No.9067387]

45 hour movie with the most easily abused battle system. The very repetitive enemies dont even get to glance at you while you stack turns on their asses like the impotent chumps they are. Nothing can fight back until the optional superbosses at the end.
The OG corridor crawl. Theyre still "hallways" even if its mountains for walls instead of plaster.
Though, at least, the camera zooms into lulus bent over hanging tits about 90 percent of the time she does a regular attack.

[Anonymous No.9067389]

>>9067387
I forgot the last story boss cant kill you either

[Anonymous No.9067395]

>>9067373
what the fuck is a jarpig?

[Anonymous No.9067397]

>>9067387
>>9067389
>45 hour movie
FFX is actually pretty challenging at places. Why do RPG haters always have the stupidest fucking criticisms

[Anonymous No.9067418]

>>9067397
Homie i been playing jrpgs since ff1 and 4. Played some of most tepid doo doo ass jrpgs around. The game is piss easy if you have half a brain and takes almost 45 hours to slough through poppy ass nonstop cutscenes. Dont cry to me about being a hater. Im playing through the much better x2 for like the third time right now
>ha he play duh x2 he is obvious trull.

[Anonymous No.9067425]

>>9066853
It was their first HD FF, they were using a mess of an in-house engine, and they were still working off their old time scale (we used to get a new FF roughly every year, compared to the literal decade long dev cycles they tend to go through these days) which means they were trying to get it out on a reasonable amount of time

The HD era destroyed a lot of smaller devs due to the increased cost of development. I'm not surprised at all that they forewent big explorable towns

[Anonymous No.9067430]

>>9067418
Also should have mentioned it was 45 hours willingly trying to rush to get to the arena bosses. The shit is even slower and more boring if you arent mashing through it.

[Anonymous No.9067602]

>>9067418
>>9067430
You type like a 12 year old. Also calling bullshit on the fact that you beat the whole game in 45 hours your first time playing.

[Anonymous No.9067609]

I love the world in X. Something about the design just really scratches an itch for me, I'm not sure what it is.

[Anonymous No.9067625]

>>9066605
12 is shit and 13 is even worse. do you like eating shit too?

[Anonymous No.9067639]

>>9066605
I love 12 but it's basically a FF game in name only.

[Anonymous No.9067649]

>>9067397
Not him but FFX has a really bad difficulty scaling. Don't even grind, if you simply kill everything on the way to your destination, you'll be overpowered.

[Anonymous No.9067651]

>>9066843
>if you got memed into hating Lightning
Retard, it's the exact opposite. She's a naturally hateable character, Nomura had to attempt to meme everyone into liking her.

[Anonymous No.9067654]

>>9067651
You mean Toriyama. Nomura simply designed her and didn't do anything after that.

[Anonymous No.9067656]

>>9067654
Yeah, I get them confused.

[Anonymous No.9067696]

>>9067656
Still, Toriyama made the sequels not because to make everyone worship his waifu. But because they had already invested extensively in XIII game engine and need to make the development cost worth it.

[Anonymous No.9067710]

>>9067696
That doesn't change the fact that no one was "memed into hating Lightning." If anything, the opposite happened, because of what you just said.

[Anonymous No.9067753]

>>9067710
The sales figure of each installment is lower than the previous one. She's a bland character stuck in a mediocre game, and predictably gets heaped shit for that. The sequels sold less because you had to play XIII to enjoy them, not because people ended up loving or hating her more. But in the end, I don't care enough about that pink haired plank to defend her.

[Anonymous No.9067850]

>>9067602
>you are a child.
Great faith argument.
Never said it was first time through dipshit. I followed up and said its even more boring and tedious if you arent rushing. You should stop letting hordes of men ejaculate all over your face and leaving it crust over your eyes and you may be able to read a bit better.

[Anonymous No.9067980]

>>9066453
You can just use Tidus' Flee special. But you'll probably be underleveled if you do that constantly.

[Anonymous No.9067990]

>>9067753
>She's a bland character stuck in a mediocre game
So surely people got memed into hating her. Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.9068005]

>>9066843
>But there's no excuse for the absence of cities and exploration
I don't get why people keep parroting this exploration shit. What Final Fantasy game has loads of side stuff for you to wander off and do? It's always just going from place to place, the overworld map just serves as a way to give you some fights and exp inbetween dungeons.

[Anonymous No.9068020]

>>9068005
Get a load of this retard

[Anonymous No.9068026]

>>9068005
>What Final Fantasy game has loads of side stuff for you to wander off and do?
FFXII. It's basically sidequests: the game.

[Anonymous No.9068027]

>>9068005
You still get new places to discover. It actually feels like a journey across a world. XIII doesn't have that at all, there's no lull, no calm little village to come across, no big city to eventually get to. It's just endless corridors and battles before you get to a giant field with battles. It's rubbish.

[Anonymous No.9068056]

>>9068027
>a giant field with battles
How is that any different to a normal FF overworld?

[Anonymous No.9068059]

>>9068026
It's also garbage: the game

[Anonymous No.9068064]

>>9068059
Which JRPGs do you like?

[Anonymous No.9068071]

>>9068056
The fact that there are towns and cities to discover. The fact that you're progressing over a realised world. There are different continents, biomes etc.
FFXIII has one slightly big field.

[Anonymous No.9068074]

>>9068071
Also the pre-PSX FFs have world maps that you actually have to survive like a dungeon.

[Anonymous No.9068078]

>>9068071
You aren't really discovering anything though, you just go from one little picture of a town to the next along a path that you can't really deviate from. It's still a corridor, it's just unnecessarily wider.

[Anonymous No.9068083]

>>9068078
>deconstructionist nonsense
I see you, kike.

[Anonymous No.9068086]

>>9068078
Yes but as I said earlier in the thread it effectively gives the illusion of a world that you're exploring (on the first playthrough at least). Even FFX which is effectively just corridors at least feels like a world that you're trekking across.
XIII feels like nothing but abstract corridors for forty hours then the aforementioned field.

[Anonymous No.9068095]

>>9068083
>Nooo you can't just notice that the game is actually just a town and a dungeon separated by an empty boxed in circle with no other options

[Anonymous No.9068106]

>>9068095
>nooo you can't just point out the fact that I'm a demonic kike using Critical Theory, which is demonic practice of gaslighting people into hating their hobbies

[Anonymous No.9068108]

>>9068086
I don't see what's so abstract about it. Everywhere you go makes sense and is a path leading from one place to another, you go through a forest, a mountain, a few cities, some ruins, a tower, a lake etc. It also makes sense that the characters wouldn't just stop in towns and hang out, they are being hunted by the police and you're on the run.

[Anonymous No.9068113]

>>9068106
>Make you realise that FF games don't actually have any exploration
>Sperg out and throw and autistic fit

[Anonymous No.9068114]

>>9068113
>is wrong, FFXII is literally nothing but sidequests from the word go, and V and VI have open-ended final worlds
Maybe you're just a kike.

[Anonymous No.9068117]

>>9068108
It's very abstract. There are some more traditional areas but a lot of the game is headache inducing in it's aesthetic design. That first area, what the fuck is it even supposed to be?
My biggest problem was that I powered through that section thinking things were going to settle into the familiar gameplay rythmn and atmosphere, then ten hours in I was thinking "must be nearly there now", it never arrived.
The other big problem with no towns is you don't have all the people living in the world. I vaguely remember a really tiny section of that in the city you get to but it was sorely missed. It's a great way to flesh out the world, show how the people live.
Final Fantasy XIII is far too focused on it's uninteresting cast of main characters rather than the world at large which is what makes it such a disappointment.

[Anonymous No.9068120]

>>9068114
Ok, go back to your totally not Jewish video game where you watch a shirtless young boy and beastiality bait run around for a hundred hours.

[Anonymous No.9068123]

>>9068120
Ok, go back to being a fucking kike.

[Anonymous No.9068136]

>>9068117
>That first area, what the fuck is it even supposed to be?
It's just monorail track from the train they were on. If you mean the blue area then it's a lake that gets turned to crystal.

[Anonymous No.9068506]

>>9068078
>>9068108
FFX makes the corridor work because everything is connected, you know how Spira is mapped out because you go from one location to the next in an interconnected chain of areas without ever needing a world map.

XIII never does this. It both introduces new areas through chapter introductions that you have no idea how they're connected to the previous area the character was at, and you can never go back and re-trek the world so it makes it feel even more isolated. Only Gran Pulse actually feels like a world.

[Anonymous No.9068779]

>>9068005
>I don't get why people keep parroting this exploration shit. What Final Fantasy game has loads of side stuff for you to wander off and do?
5,6,7,8,9,10 and 12?
You know, the FF games that people like?

[Anonymous No.9068789]

>>9067850
>I replayed this game I hated and was shocked that I knew what to do so it wasn't super hard!
Oh you're even more pathetic and stupid than I thought

[Anonymous No.9068806]

>>9066773
>>9067161
FF1 is good for being replayable and quick. I generally would still replay with some touchups though like bugfixes or FF-1 with its large class list to make things more varied play-to-play.

[Anonymous No.9069275]

>>9068789
If you cant abuse that battle system right from the start then your brain is smooth as fuck.

[Anonymous No.9069310]

>>9064884
First time through, accidentally over-leveled. So by the time I got to Sin my Yuna was hitting over 35k a hit from Holy. Made all the rest of the bosses kind of a joke.

Had way more fun in the monster arena though. I did every arena boss the legit, long way because I didn't know about any sphere grid or xp exploits back then. Must have taken over 50 hours on its own. Nemesis was a total nightmare.

[Anonymous No.9069445]

>>9069275
>I can only play games by abusing their battle systems and then I whine when they're too easy!
Sounds like a personal issue

[Anonymous No.9069447]

>>9069310
It's funny how much harder the game becomes when those arena and extra bosses just don't let you scan them.

[Anonymous No.9070337]

Did Tidus’ Zanarkand even really exist?

[Anonymous No.9070349]

>>9070337
Yes retard. He's from a 1000 years ago and got warped into the future where Zanarkand is kill, much like Jecht did before him.

[Anonymous No.9070683]

>>9070349
I don't think you understood the story, anon.
>>9070337
I've heard theories it was a real physical place out in the ocean that nobody had any idea existed because they couldn't get near it due to sin.

[Anonymous No.9070691]

>>9070683
Yes I did. Zanarkand is being dreamed so that Tidus remains """""alive""""" in Spira, but the town itself existed, hence why it is in ruins during the game. Are you being willingly daft?

[Anonymous No.9070702]

>>9069310
Now do Penance

[Anonymous No.9070704]

>>9070337
Yes, it's exactly what >>9070683 said. That's not a theory, that's from the Ultimania. Dream Zanarkand is out there in the sea and the whole point of Sin's toxin is so that people can't remember how to get there if they get too close.

[Anonymous No.9070713]

>>9070704
It's also how Auron was able to go there by "riding on Sin", because he's not time-travelling, he's just going to a location only Sin knows

[Anonymous No.9071064]

>ff10 is considered retro now

[Anonymous No.9071068]

>>9071064
The game is 21 years old, it's one of the earliest PS2 games

[Anonymous No.9071084]

>>9071068

[Anonymous No.9071086]

>>9071064
time is gonna keep flowing and we're all going to die one day

best to embrace the truth now, it will make the ride more fun

Also, FFX was the last good FF. Fight me.

[Anonymous No.9071092]

>>9071086
I never played any FF's after FF10.

[Anonymous No.9071406]

>>9066356
this guy carried the whole game for me