PlayStation draw distance

[Anonymous No.9063482]

I did a test to see which PS game had the biggest open field with the biggest draw distance, and I believe it's MML2. Even then it has a bit of fog.

Overall, I enjoyed the Sony PlayStation games the most, but they are mostly just small to medium sized rooms with the game trying to hide that fact. N64 had games with much bigger open areas and draw distances. PS games feel more cramped and claustrophobic at times (which can sometimes work if it's a horror title).

[Anonymous No.9063495]

>>9063482
Metal Gear Solid is mostly medium sized rooms and about as big as the PS can do without fog.

[Anonymous No.9064627]

>>9063495
shame there isnt a modern mgs behind the back camera option
feel it would make the game look way more impressive

[Anonymous No.9064657]

PS1 games had to tessellate nearby surfaces to reduce warping, so you couldn't have a surface the size of a city block represented by two polygons. You can see it for yourself in games like the Quake 2 port if you can find a way to enable wireframes in a ps1 emulator.

[Anonymous No.9064673]

The answer is Terracon.

[Anonymous No.9064678]

[Anonymous No.9064685]

>>9063482
You didn't look very hard. Both spyro and terracon are huge.

[Anonymous No.9064760]

>>9063482
>PlayStation
This is a SEGA board. Go back to /snoy/

[Anonymous No.9064906]

>>9063495
This location on the other hand

[Anonymous No.9065098]

>>9064760
Trying too hard

[Anonymous No.9065102]

>>9064657
No need to tesselate if you use Gouraud shading.

[Anonymous No.9065112]

>>9063482
I really liked this game until the fucking underwater dungeon. What the fuck were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.9065125]

>>9064678
what is this?

[Anonymous No.9065126]

>>9063482
i'll be real with you: it should have stayed that way. Games felt just alot more like games when they had clear rooms, levelsegments and what not that were easy to recognize and navigate through without a shitty minimap. Making level bigger often results in nothing but empty mileages you have to waste more time on to get through. Fast travel features should tell you all about how redundant big level areas/open world are

[Anonymous No.9065161]

>>9065125
Looks like Germs

[Anonymous No.9065197]

>>9063482
Like you pic, there are a few games with exceptions, but majority of PS1 games were geometrically simplistic in comparison to 64

[Anonymous No.9065201]

>>9064627
You mean overhead view?
MGS has been 3rd person since subsistence

[Anonymous No.9065203]

>>9065201
over your head is a third person perspective

[Anonymous No.9065217]

>>9065201
>MGS has been 3rd person since subsistence
Anon, take your pills, you're not Snake

[Anonymous No.9065226]

>>9065203
You know very well that definitions are adjusted to the medium, stop being facetious
>>9065217

[Anonymous No.9065239]

>>9065112
"Ocarina of Time did an underwater dungeon, we should too!"

[Anonymous No.9065259]

>>9065226
idk what that word means

[Anonymous No.9066679]

>>9065239
The underwater dungeon in mml is good. You're just retarded.

[Anonymous No.9066683]

>>9063495
The canyon is there entirely just so that they could put an area with the longest draw distance possible. Cheating because it is very narrow, and there isn't much here.

[Anonymous No.9066725]

B-Movie (/Invasion from Beyond) had a fairly decent draw distance

[Anonymous No.9066783]

>>9065201
and it was a huge mistake that hurt the franchise

[Anonymous No.9066786]

>>9066683
what about the sniping wolf fight in the snow? how deep does it go?

[Anonymous No.9066791]

>>9066783
As someone that played the origins MGS3 with the overhead view, you are very wrong
The game becomes near unplayable and you realise the over reliance on the radar from the previous games

[Anonymous No.9066792]

Does Gran Turismo count? there has to be a track that has a really long straight road in that game

[Anonymous No.9066793]

>>9066791
no it doesn't, you're just retarded
I never used radar on 2 and 3.

[Anonymous No.9066803]

>>9066793
You’ve not played the original versions then

[Anonymous No.9066818]

>>9066792
>Does Gran Turismo count?

Yes, racing games count. But like the MGS canyon they are by definition narrow tracks of land so they cheat a bit. A proper open field like Hyrule Field is the hardest thing for the PS to do. That's why a modern gamer just sees "oh a big filed. whatever." whereas this was meant to wow people who grew up on 2D consoles, and the only alternatives were SS or PS that couldn't do this.

[Anonymous No.9066825]

>>9066725
Not really. It's just the scale the levels are built at. It's supposed to invoke the feeling of wide open landscapes but the actual draw distance is not that far.

[Anonymous No.9066830]

>>9064673
>>9064685
Terracon is just insane.
https://youtu.be/MNfEGvlSKMs

[Anonymous No.9066832]

>>9066830
It's a good looking game for sure. Though I imagine performance must be all over the place on original hardware.

[Anonymous No.9066841]

>>9066825
What game?

[Anonymous No.9066847]

>>9066841
Really? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9066935]

>>9066792
There's the oval test track, I remember a bit of pop in though.

[Anonymous No.9067336]

>>9063482
ace combat 3 vs pilot wings is a good comparison

[Anonymous No.9067560]

>>9066825
Is this any good?

[Anonymous No.9067591]

>>9067560
It's very hard.

[Anonymous No.9067681]

>>9065102
Gouraud shading is still linear interpolation so it's affected by the same issue as texture warping. There are two reasons why it's less noticeable though:
1) Smooth gradients make it harder to spot since it's all low contrast
2) Most gouraud shading was done for simulated lighting so you are dealing with variable shading which helps avoid you noticing that the pixels are not tracking correctly as the perspective changes.

[Anonymous No.9067741]

>>9066786
>>9066683
The problem isn't really about the scene complexity as such. The PS1 could render more polygons than the N64 per second after all. The problem is that the N64 worked in floating point and so if you gave it a distant object where the difference between two points is less than a pixel width it can handle it and will fill the full pixels and handle the subpixels in a consistent manner.
On the PS1 this would be an invalid triangle and it would either do nothing - leaving a hole, or it would spaz out and render trash. You would have to detect these invalid triangles in software and then do something with them. If you look closely at racing games or the MGS screenshots you'll notice that the distant objects are all flat on to the camera so that they are all valid, and the super distant floor and walls that would easily degenerate to <1 pixel width/height are all hidden behind rocks and snow so they can safely discard them without it being noticeable. If the area was wider you could position yourself in such a way that you could see the bad geometry.
In a racing game they'll use tunnels, billboards, mountains, trees, sharp corners, etc. to hide the transition between custom "distant" versions of the models that are using skybox hacks to draw and the real version that you'll drive alongside when you get up close. It's different to normal LOD as it's a separate render pass as opposed to simply using a simplified model.

[Anonymous No.9067771]

>>9064760
Actually this is a Nintendo board. Go back to Discord.

[Anonymous No.9067883]

>>9067741
>PS1 more polys than N64
blatant flat out liem N64 could push about 360k, PS1 about 160k. in fact, texture pipeline and storage medium are the only teo advantages PS1 has in terms of hardware. N64 trounces it in every other way and it isn't even close. don't speak from authority you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.9067985]

>>9067883
Not him but in practice the N64 couldn't put out even half of that because of the processor bottleneck. Paper numbers don't mean anything.

[Anonymous No.9068007]

Fags

[Anonymous No.9068104]

>>9067591
How are the controls?

[Anonymous No.9068150]

>>9068104
I think I remapped them to my liking, so... probably not optimal by default?

[Anonymous No.9068219]

>>9066832
Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.9068226]

>>9066832
>performance must be all over the place on original hardware.
It isn't. Problem is that the game is meh at best.

[Anonymous No.9068229]

>>9068219
>OoT hyrule field sized environment but with half the draw distance and smaller FOV, and the trees arent even fully modeled 3D, and no dynamic time of day or moving skybox
yeah, shit is right. imagine being impressed by this garbage.

[Anonymous No.9068234]

>>9068219
Indeed. Soundtrack isn't half bad either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otOVV-M0AE8&list=PL20AC8A91EB71B04C&ab_channel=Mydtys

[Anonymous No.9068238]

>>9067985
and what bottleneck is that?

[Anonymous No.9068239]

>>9068229
At least it doesn't run at 12fps(10 with enemies lol)

[Anonymous No.9068240]

>>9068226
I haven't actually played it. But I'll give it a spin one of these days. "Meh at best", huh? That's too bad. What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.9068242]

>>9068239
neither does OoT

[Anonymous No.9068315]

>>9065126
>i'll be real with you: it should have stayed that way

Underrated post.

[Anonymous No.9068328]

>>9068007
Spyro is impressive for LoD, but it's also still smoke and mirrors.

the actual stage is about as big as a Metal Gear Solid stage. They just add shit in the background to make them look like it stretches on forever. They break up the stages by loading corridors so they don't have to load up everything at once.

[Anonymous No.9068351]

>>9064678
>Not a single loading screens anywhere while driving from one end to the map to the other
Honestly impressed me. I wonder if it's actually streaming data in the background or if they load the entire city map into memory. I think that might be possible as well because of the sparse use of textures.

[Anonymous No.9069127]

>>9067883
>no! i'm the ultimate retrogamer not u!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What is it with this board and getting incredibly hostile the very moment someone tries to explain something technical? Is it just because it makes them feel stupid for not knowing as much as some other anon, thereby reminding them that they might not actually be the ultimate retrogamer?

[Anonymous No.9069176]

>>9068234
>>9066832
wow, this is amazing, my mind would've been blown back then.

[Anonymous No.9069205]

>>9068328
>still smoke and mirrors
nigga this is /vr/
smoke and mirrors is the bread and butter of technically impressive games on limited hardware

[Anonymous No.9069436]

>>9068234
>>9068240
What a flex. The cutscenes look better in real time render than most fmvs!

[Anonymous No.9069514]

>>9069127
It has to do with a rule change that allowed systems like the PS2, GameCube and Wii to be discussed on the retro games board.

[Anonymous No.9069705]

>>9067681
Could a game without texture have a bigger draw distance ?
https://youtu.be/UQtxyscnmu8

[Anonymous No.9069950]

>>9069705
Hey, that looks kind of fun.

[Anonymous No.9069969]

>>9069950
it's pretty good, has some nice physics in its movement too.

[Anonymous No.9070292]

>>9068351
I dunno how I'm still finding new games to play on on my PS1 even now

[Anonymous No.9072328]

>>9070292
It has the biggest and most experimental library of games of any console.

[Anonymous No.9072806]

Spyro has massive levels without fog or in-level loading, especially the first and 3rd games

[Anonymous No.9073092]

>>9068351
>>9069705
The draw distance isn't to impressive, but it runs smooth and in hi-res mode, while being the most stylish PSX game without any textures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHUqpsZI20

[Anonymous No.9073706]

>>9067741
That's a likely explanation for this. Very interesting.

[Anonymous No.9073797]

>>9066783
Retarded. MGS improved the controls with each entry until MGSV, one of the best-controlling action games ever.

[Anonymous No.9073801]

>>9063482
test

[Anonymous No.9073804]

not a fag but at this point I would suck a dick to get an english translation of this

[Anonymous No.9073807]

>>9073804
>>9068351
shit