Was the Famicom an actual PC?

[Anonymous No.9062203]

Did the "Family Computer" have a word processor? A calculator? Could you file your taxes or write proper software? And what about the Super Famicom?

[Anonymous No.9062208]

With the right carts, yes.

[Anonymous No.9062218]

>>9062203
No, like in the US it was designed to be a Knitting Machine only. Don’t understand why the “video game cartridge” add-on became so popular, it distracted from knitting.

[Anonymous No.9062224]

>>9062203
No, but you could trade stocks and go online. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Computer_Network_System

[Anonymous No.9062229]

>>9062203
>it's not a computer if you can't do work on it

[Anonymous No.9062234]

>>9062229
*personal computer

[Anonymous No.9062235]

>>9062218
Is this real?

[Anonymous No.9062240]

>>9062203
A lot of old systems had official BASIC programming carts, peripherals, and documentation that you could learn to make games with.
Game Basic for Sega Saturn and Petit Computer's SmileBASIC for DSi/3DS/Wii U/Switch are newer examples.

[Anonymous No.9062327]

Keyboard Famiclones were more like actual computers than legit Famicoms lol.

[Anonymous No.9062347]

>>9062203
>doesn't know about Chinese NES Windows 98

[Anonymous No.9062404]

>>9062203
Yes. But not nearly as well as famiclones.

>>9062235
Not really. Maybe a mockup or even prototype, but not an actual product. But the GB sewing machines were, and pretty good ones.

[Anonymous No.9063190]

>>9062203
basic software can do some neat stuff
but i doubt people were using it for much of that
maybe as a fancy calculator but

they were using it for games anon
the keyboard is actually great though
im typing on it right now with a usb adapter

[Anonymous No.9063202]

>>9063190
Family BASIC was relatively useless due to the small memory for programs and the lack of floating point capability--it was integer only.

[Anonymous No.9063324]

>>9063202
Integer only is the way to go for literally everything embedded/low resource. Fixed points are in many ways better than AIIIIIEEEEE floats.

[Anonymous No.9064404]

>>9063324
This. People wanted to use their toy computer for developing embedded system not to balance their checkbook.

[Anonymous No.9064413]

>>9062203
More of a gimmick compared to real personal microcomputers of the time. Even cheaper ones like VIC20.

[Anonymous No.9064632]

>>9064413
>>9064404
i would have loved it as a kid

[Anonymous No.9064634]

>>9062240
kek
is this somehow worse than "programming" on the bally astrocade?

[Anonymous No.9064693]

>>9062404
Wasn't there actually sewing software for the Famciom Disk System?

[Anonymous No.9064717]

>>9064632
I've never seen those pauline sprites

[Anonymous No.9065039]

>>9064632
Is that motherfucking Pentaro?

[Anonymous No.9065041]

>>9062203
yes it had basic

[Anonymous No.9065048]

>>9064693
it was knitting but yah

[Anonymous No.9065942]

>>9062203
no it was a video game console

[Anonymous No.9066286]

>>9065039
>>9064717
it comes with the famicom keyboard
the fami basic has a few built in sprites you can program in to your "games"

[Anonymous No.9066293]

>>9062203
There's nothing really stopping any home console from being a PC. It's just that they were built with certain tasks in mind and not others so it would make a pretty brutal experience if you were to try to use the NES the same way you would a Commodore 64 or something.

[Anonymous No.9066319]

>>9063202
>>9063324
>>9064404
The NES sucked at RPGs. Lack of floating point and true RNG made it even worse than the speccy.

[Anonymous No.9066321]

>>9066319
SNES RPGs didn't really do true RNG either. It was more clever about it though.

[Anonymous No.9066336]

>>9064632
>>9065039
Wait, i know those penguin sprites. It's from NES Pinball. Mario and Paulina also were there.
Shellcreepers, Fighter Flies and Sidesteppers are from Mario Bros.
What are other sprites from? Some early FDS/arcade Nintendo game?

[Anonymous No.9066346]

>>9066321
It took so many cycles on the NES. I can't imagine a Sword of Fargoal or Rogue port running on the NES even with expanded RAM, the games that cheap computers had owned for many years by the time the NES came out.

[Anonymous No.9066360]

Modern day flash carts where you can put all your software on a microSD card (which everyone just loads up with game roms) would allow for any console control deck that accepts one to become a real computer.
Those bad boys already have a file system in place to handle the roms. Long as you can get back to that file system without cycling power, and can add files to the storage space from that menu (most do - copying .sav files and the like) you're golden. If someone wrote a word processor and an assembler which can run in the native device's language (not a compiler for a .sfc file running on a windows machine - you'd have to make a yacc), you'd have a genuine OS for the SNES or whatever you like which would be freaking cool as hell.

[Anonymous No.9066416]

>>9064632
You could hack Donkey Kong to use those Pauline sprites.

[Anonymous No.9066418]

>>9066336
im not sure and my japanese is quite poor- i'm not familiar with visual basic enough to call up the sprites and do things with them.

im just the usb keyboard anon from earlier

[Anonymous No.9066431]

One wonders how things may have played out if they went with the microcomputer route.

>oi bruv dis aint a micro innit, only got 2kb ram unlike me speccy

[Anonymous No.9066435]

>>9066360
Flash carts have built in microcontrollers and FPGA interface that are pretty much more powerful than the console itself, so using flash cart is pretty much cheating. The only way to turn the NES into a fully functioning computer without flash cart or only 2KB of RAM is by modding the FDS system to run the Famicom BASIC ROM and using the Mitsumi Quick Disk floppies as storage.

[Anonymous No.9066440]

>>9066431
The C64 would eat it up alive. It could probably compete against Tandy CoCo 3 or something more obscure, if it was lucky.

[Anonymous No.9066451]

>>9066431
Probably very little would change other than the thing would just be annoyingly more expensive. The peripherals and keyboard would go largely unused as more and more Famicom games came over. You'd still be playing all the Castlevanias and Mega Mans but now you have a giant keyboard sitting there for no reason. It would eventually get to the point that they would have redesigned it to ditch the keyboard and we'd get a smaller revision in the late 80s with probably a keyboard accessory sold separately for whatever software actually needed it.

[Anonymous No.9066630]

>>9066451
so the famicom av would still exist

im ok with it

[Anonymous No.9066662]

It was a name that the wife of the dude developing the machine came up with it.

[Anonymous No.9066934]

>>9066319
>posted from my mommies' iphone, which i know has a true RNG

[Anonymous No.9067091]

>>9066435
That's fair. I was thinking ease of use for the experience of using the hardware as a computer, but you're not wrong that the additional tech inside the cart is massive, and a pure experience using just OG tech would be impressive.

[Anonymous No.9068745]

>>9066319
>check out my retarded highschool opinion, which is also wrong

[Anonymous No.9068840]

Famicom Basic is one of those things computer fanatics who are anti-console want people to ignore, fiercely.

[Anonymous No.9068859]

>>9068840
>i am surrounded by imaginary enemies
?

[Anonymous No.9068974]

>>9068840
>>9068859
kek

what pills are you taking to make you this deluded?
share them anonkun


I just need a break from reality baby

[Anonymous No.9069173]

Similar to the PC Engine.

[Anonymous No.9069548]

>>9062347
>>doesn't know about Chinese NES Windows 98
i remember that.

>>9066346
>It took so many cycles on the NES
depends on how shit the routine is. doesn't take that much time to generate a random 8-bit number. c64 was slow as fuck yet still could generate random numbers very quickly. i doubt the nes would be slower than the 64.

[Anonymous No.9069560]

>>9068840
>computer fanatics who are anti-console
this board is unbelievable in regard to how the internet's worst and most disgusting compulsive liars come here to just make shit up as they go. delusional fucking morons.

[Anonymous No.9069567]

>>9066435
>Flash carts have built in microcontrollers and FPGA interface that are pretty much more powerful than the console itself
and they're still limited to that slow as fuck system bus. brilliant.
>so using flash cart is pretty much cheating.
false. it serves its purpose: making ROM data available on the bus so the nes can see it and use it. it's a cart with infinite space - that's limited to whatever mapper system is used.

>Mitsumi Quick Disk floppies as storage.
this is why nobody takes nintentoddlers seriously. i love the nes, but you have severe brain damage. none of this works how it works in your meth soaked mind.

[Smaugchad No.9069853]

There are keyboard famiclones with fully implemented mouse support and word processors that you can print from. All of that shit was possible with the Famicom from the beginning in case Nintendo didn't find the dedicated gaming market and had to position themselves as a budget alternative to MSX and PC-88 but that didn't end up being necessary. It didn't stop the bootleggers from doing it though.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dl1R4f5sKMA

[Anonymous No.9070017]

>>9062208
/thread. Pack it up

[Anonymous No.9070148]

>>9066431
I just realized it having a tape deck means it would have an aux port which means saving tracks in Excitebike would've actually worked like on the Famicom...

[Anonymous No.9070165]

>>9066662
No, that's not what happened. The system was officially called, "Family Computer," but his wife said it should be called, "Famicom," cuz everyone is gonna call it that anyways. They couldn't, though, because Sharp already had the copyright for an oven called the, "Famicon," and apparently, "Famicom," and, "Famicon," are spelled the same in Japanese, and Japanese copyrights go by the Japanese spelling. Nintendo bought the rights to that name from them, though, which is why they were able to call the next system the, "Super Famicom." In exchange, Sharp got the rights to produce their own models of the Famicom, which is why the Twin Famicom exists.

[Anonymous No.9070305]

>>9062203
> a computer is not a computer unless it has microsoft word

are you perhaps retarded

[Anonymous No.9070351]

>>9070305
Personal computer.

[Anonymous No.9070358]

>>9070351
you own it so it's personal. not that that matters because even if you didn't it would still fit the definition of a computer.

[Anonymous No.9070369]

>>9070358
If I owned an analogue computer would it be a fucking PC? I know you are not this fucking stupid and are just trying to save face. Grow up

[Anonymous No.9070397]

>>9070358
I believe I need to clarify that a personal computer is a type of computer. Your washing machine has a microprocessor but it's obviously not a PC.

[Anonymous No.9070402]

>>9070369
Not the anon you're coping to, but yes. Any computer designed for personal use would be a personal computer.

[Anonymous No.9070413]

>>9070402
Even my fridge?

[Smaugchad No.9070446]

>mfw Microsoft and IBM successfully branded the term "personal computer" in 1980

[Anonymous No.9070581]

>>9069853
This is super cool, I'd love to get one.

[Anonymous No.9070630]

>>9070413
If your fridge is a computer designed for personal use then yes, it's a personal computer. Not sure why this is so hard for you to wrap your head around.

[Smaugchad No.9070689]

>>9070581
Famiclones were cheap as dirt in the '00s, including keyboard famiclones. I got my King Game Computer NIB for $10 at a store. It has a cool box and mouse support but no parallel port or floppy drive like that Subor has.

[Anonymous No.9070745]

>>9062203
PC has always been a poorly defined gray area. From a legal standpoint the NES was not PC because the rights to produce ports of arcade games on home computers did not give you the rights to sell a port for videogame consoles. However the only thing that really separates a console from a home computer is the inclusion of a keyboard, yet you could buy those separately for many consoles. A modern day "actual PC" mainly refers to IBM PC compatibles and the computers that defend from them, yet the Xboxes are considered consoles while just being PCs without a keyboard so that definition does not work either.

[Anonymous No.9070859]

>>9070745
I feel that the thing that separates a PC from consoles is the ability of individuals create and release your own software for it without permission/licensing from the manufacturer.

[Anonymous No.9070892]

>>9070859
But under that definition the NES or any system with cracked copy protection is a PC. Selling homebrew software is not illegal if it does not contain copywritten code.

[Anonymous No.9071157]

>>9070892
Kind of, but I was talking more like mass production/distribution. Nintendo cracked down hard on any stores that dared to sell unlicensed games. I guess the fact that there's built in copy protection you need to crack is a part of it?

[Anonymous No.9071182]

>>9066418
>visual basic

[Anonymous No.9071536]

>>9071157
Atari 2600 had a basic cart and no copy protection so that makes it a PC.

[Anonymous No.9072054]

>>9070892
>or any system with cracked copy protection is a PC
100% false. still a console.

[Anonymous No.9072059]

>>9070689
Yeah. I used to be in 3rd world shitholes a few times a month and would always pop into the local game stores and see that shit they had in the bargain bins. Picked up dozens of famiclones NIB for a few bucks.

>>9070745
From a legal standpoint you're not old enough to be here

[Anonymous No.9072060]

>>9069560
depressingly accurate

[Anonymous No.9072734]

>>9066416
You'd have to get a little creative to make it work. No fireball, either, so no SMB. :(

[Anonymous No.9072748]

>>9069560
>I AM THE PC/COMPUTER MASTER RACE!
>...except when it doesn't suit my narrative, etc...