Chrono Trigger

[Anonymous No.9054157]

I don't hear enough about Chrono Trigger. It's such a good game with amazing music that makes me tear up every time I hear it.

What are your opinions on the game? Have you even played it before?

I never seemed to finish it tho, but the fond memory of playing it emulated on my tablet during class will always stay with me

[Anonymous No.9054190]

>>9054157
where were you the last 20 years? people bring this game up all the time for it's story and discontent with the sequel. radical dreamers on the other hand is not discussed much though there isn't a lot to talk about. the game is alright.

[Anonymous No.9054206]

>>9054190
I was an embrio 20 years ago so hadn't much time to get into it

[Anonymous No.9054212]

>>9054157
Meh, it's alright. Why haven't you finished it?

[Anonymous No.9054214]

>>9054157
it is really good yeah
i'm playin it again now
still haven't got all the endings though, i'll probably do it this time

[Anonymous No.9054217]

>>9054206
that's fair little man.

[Anonymous No.9054237]

>>9054212
I wanted to do all the side missions before the final boss fight and had a little break which turned into months of procrastinating instead of doing them. I fear I forgot most mechanics so I haven't tried to just finish it

[Anonymous No.9054241]

>>9054157
It's considered the quintessential JRPG for a reason, anon. Though you aren't going to see a lot of people talking postively about it on here since it's so popular in the normie sphere that the contrarians have defined hating it as part of their personality.

[Anonymous No.9054242]

I've never played chrono trigger before so I'd appreciate it if you guys stopped assuming it. I've never played it for even a second. I hope I can one dslay cause everyone says it's gokd

[Anonymous No.9054275]

I'm playing it for the 1st time right now actually, loving it so far.

[Anonymous No.9054321]

>>9054157
We have CT threads all the time.
Yes it's a good beginners rpg. A classic.

[Anonymous No.9054324]

>>9054214
I just watched all the endings on youtube. Fuck beating this game 15 times in a row to see em all.

[Anonymous No.9054462]

>>9054324
If you had beaten even once, you would know how incredibly easy that is.

[Anonymous No.9054468]

>>9054275
Don't worry about doing all the sidequests your first time through. Feel free to do some, but considering you get to keep all your levels, techniques, and items on your next playthroughs, they're nothing to worry about. Just keep relaxing and having fun

[Anonymous No.9054469]

>>9054321
>beginner rpg
Shutup

[Anonymous No.9054580]

>>9054469
Yes, a great beginners RPG.

[Anonymous No.9054585]

>>9054157
Beat it during lockdown. Totally cried lol.

[Anonymous No.9054586]

>>9054580
Why are you being a dick? It's way more than that

[Anonymous No.9054592]

>>9054206
Based zoomer

[Anonymous No.9054667]

>>9054469
If you've ever dived deep into Japanese rpg's for the nes / snes you would see just how brutal, cryptic and challenging rpg's can really be.
Chrono Trigger is a wonderful game, but it's painfully easy.

[Anonymous No.9054725]

Is that safe?

[Anonymous No.9054731]

CT has a ton of hype but it absolutely lives up to it. Love the atmosphere of the destroyed future timeline

[Anonymous No.9054741]

It's a really good game that sadly still doesn't have a proper port or remake. One of the few games that truly lives to the hype.

[Anonymous No.9054746]

>>9054741
Muh ports and remake
Shut up man

[Anonymous No.9054749]

>>9054667
Who gives a shit? Quality is the only thing that matters. Retard.

[Anonymous No.9054767]

>>9054157
lol
It's time to cast down this golden calf.

How is CT considered GOAT when it's worse than FFVI in all possible ways?

Shorter
Easier
More linear
Inferior story (time travel tripe)
Worse music (if you don't agree you probably don't listen to non-videogame music and certainly have never had music lessons)
Worse gfx (overworld sprites look like tiny Sudowoodoes)
Smaller party size
Fewer abilities and spells
Battles are too slow
No status effects
Less character customization and building
MC looks like Bozo the Clown

FFVI isn't even all that great, Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean shit on CT from a towering height.

Fuck Reddit Trigger, all it is, is the beginning of the end of 16bit JRPGs; nothing more than a prototype for a flood of easy, cinematic 32 bit JRPGs, all far superior experiences to CT.


>I never seemed to finish it tho, but the fond memory of playing it emulated on my tablet during class will always stay with me
Haha peak zoomer

[Anonymous No.9054769]

>>9054157
Yeah, just the most beloved JRPG of all time.
Replayed it like a month ago. Crono/Frog/Magus is the kino party setup. But just as with every JRPG i replay the combat is mind-numbingly boring and devoid of strategy, but everything else is so good. This genre almost never had good gameplay to begin with, but as I've aged there has to be a certain amount of nostalgia involved to enjoy it. If anyone has any /vr/pgs to prove me wrong I'll take it. Was thinking about playing Terranigma.

[Anonymous No.9054773]

>>9054157
lol
It's time to cast down this golden calf.

How is CT considered GOAT when it's worse than FFVI in all possible ways?

Shorter
Easier
More linear
Inferior story (time travel tripe)
Worse music (if you don't agree you probably don't listen to non-videogame music and certainly have never had

music lessons)
Worse gfx (overworld sprites look like tiny Sudowoodoes)
Smaller party size
Fewer abilities and spells
Battles are too slow
No status effects
Less character customization and building
MC looks like Bozo the Clown

FFVI isn't even all that great, Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean shit on CT from a towering height.

Fuck Reddit Trigger, all it is, is the beginning of the end of traditional 8-16bit JRPGs; nothing more than a

prototype for a flood of easy, cinematic 32 bit JRPGs, all far superior experiences to CT.


>I never seemed to finish it tho, but the fond memory of playing it emulated on my tablet during class will

always stay with me
Haha peak zoomer

[Anonymous No.9054774]

>>9054157
lol
It's time to cast down this golden calf.

How is CT considered GOAT when it's worse than FFVI in all possible ways?

Shorter
Easier
More linear
Inferior story (time travel tripe)
Worse music (if you don't agree you probably don't listen to non-videogame music and certainly have never had music lessons)
Worse gfx (overworld sprites look like tiny Sudowoodoes)
Smaller party size
Fewer abilities and spells
Battles are too slow
No status effects
Less character customization and building
MC looks like Bozo the Clown

FFVI isn't even all that great, Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean shit on CT from a towering height.

Fuck Reddit Trigger, all it is, is the beginning of the end of traditional 8-16bit JRPGs; nothing more than a prototype for a flood of easy, cinematic 32 bit JRPGs, all far superior experiences to CT.


>I never seemed to finish it tho, but the fond memory of playing it emulated on my tablet during class will always stay with me
Haha peak zoomer

[Anonymous No.9054779]

>>9054774
Be less obvious with your bait.

[Anonymous No.9054780]

>>9054157
why's his sword on the wrong side

[Anonymous No.9054823]

>>9054157
It’s often ranked #1 on the “best SNES RPGs” list. I played a couple hours into it and thought it was great, I hope to revisit someday and have been considering getting it on Steam before the sale ends. I wasn’t as into it as I am Mario RPG and FF3, but maybe I’d feel differently if I played it all the way through

[Anonymous No.9054852]

>>9054746
Based

[Anonymous No.9054928]

>>9054823
Get it

[Anonymous No.9054938]

>>9054780
It isn't. In all official artwork Crono is depicted as left-handed

[Anonymous No.9054950]

>>9054938
But being left handed is gay and chrono is clearly straight

[Anonymous No.9054956]

When I found out other RPG's didn't have a system like the double/triple techs, positional combat, visible encounters, and almost perfect pace - I was severely disappointed.

[Anonymous No.9054997]

>>9054950
Crono is bi, like all silent protagonists

[Anonymous No.9055162]

>>9054997
bruh letting frog give em head wasn't gay it's a once in a lifetime opportunity like fucking a quadruple amputee or migdet twins you don't pass that shit up

[Anonymous No.9055175]

>>9054586
Relax my dude, being easy is not necessarily a bad thing nor does it strictly indicate a shallow experience. Chrono Trigger is a great option for those new to jrpgs. The pacing is excellent and enables the player to make forward progress with no grinding (a real stumbling block for those new to the genera). The story is straight forward and without cryptic sections that unfairly hinder progress. It even includes a few extras to discover and just enough depth to wet the beginners apatite and potentially lead them to games that are more of an acquired taste.

[Anonymous No.9055197]

>>9054749
Some people have this weird idea that a game's main value is in how hard it is. I think it's a cope from wasting a lot of their time.

[Anonymous No.9055212]

>>9054157
I have not bothered to beat this game. Not really into RPGs and it wasn't realised on SNES in Australia back in the day. However, last couple of days I have been listening to reproductions of its music on YouTube and it's genuinely good, I'm not even meming.

[Anonymous No.9055225]

>>9055212
Good music is good. Why would you have to meme in order to like it? You should be more honest about your feelings.

[Anonymous No.9055243]

>>9055175
The concept of actual videogame "difficulty" doesn't really apply to jRPGs anyway.

The basic riddles and puzzles in even the most niche and hardcore genre examples barely count as difficulty, and the player isn't required to acquire that many proficiencies in order to overcome combat challenges: what the player does is basically trading in time in exchange for virtual abstracts of that same concept applied to the player CHARACTERS as proxy. The core difference between a "beginner" and an "expert" player is mostly the willingness and tolerance to liberally invest time into grinding.

Strategy and optimization does matter to some extent, but that doesn't change the fact that grinding provides a openly and heavily effective alternative. If you get defeated in a proper skill-based game, your only option is to try again and apply what you've learned; you don't usually get the alternative to simply stare at the screen for 2 hours until the obstacle becomes irrelevant somehow.

All that long-winded stuff aside, I do personally enjoy some jRPGs and the natural satisfaction of building up characters and getting better and better equipment; but I appreciate games like CT best because they perfectly balance that basic sense of literally by-the-numbers accomplishment with a calculated minimum of the usual repetitive drudgery involved, all that as a simple but effective interactive framework to witness a well-constructed, satisfying story. I really can't think of a pre-5th generation game that does it better.

[Anonymous No.9055261]

>>9054206
Unfortunately you came around at the "I just saw Heat!"(to use a Jim Gaffigan standup routine) stage of the game. Most discussion to be had about the game by the most passionate people was already burnt up and all that's left to say was" yes its good" with the occasional contrarian trying to say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.9055289]

>>9055261
I'm pushing forty and only recently watched Heat for the first time. Good movie.

[Anonymous No.9055342]

>>9055243
The concept of video game difficulty is more broad than you give it credit. It goes beyond dexterity and can include pattern recognition, strategy, memory, logic, and patience.

[Anonymous No.9055469]

>>9054741
ds one is good if you ignore the lost sanctum

[Anonymous No.9055562]

>>9055243
Quality post man. I think you've dissected the topic pretty well.

[Anonymous No.9055570]

Chrono isn't mute tho

[Anonymous No.9055574]

>>9055570
That's not crono

[Anonymous No.9055602]

>>9055175
Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.9055732]

>>9054956
>double/triple techs
Done before in Phantasy Star IV and shortly after in Suikoden, both better games by far.

>positional combat
What positional combat?? Your guys cannot move and enemies only move 2 millimetres on the screen, randomly and seldomly. 90% of moves either hit one foe or all foes, only a handful of moves cover a specific area and you cannot even aim them on the screen, just pick a monster and hope it overlaps the others ones.
In the end even Final Fantasy, with its front/back row system, has more positioning than Reddit Trigger.

>visible encounters
A casualization of the genre which removes tension from games; this "feature" is strongly preferred by female gamers.

>muh pace
"Pacing" is rapidly becoming an anticoncept like "soul", "comfy", and "artificial difficulty". Those using these words are too lazy for actual thought and their shitposts clutter what would otherwise be good threads.

[Anonymous No.9056167]

>>9054749
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.9056210]

>>9055732
Woah dude. You 100% have debilitating autos.

[Anonymous No.9056235]

>>9055732
>Done before in Phantasy Star IV and shortly after in Suikoden, both better games by far.
They're not as useful or commonly used in Phantasy Star IV though. Combo attacks + ATB is cooler to me too than how PSIV does it, though I like how they're more hidden in PSIV. Haven't played Suikoden (getting to it), but Phantasy Star IV is one of my favorite RPGs so I'm not trying to diss it. It's pretty much tied with CT for me.

[Anonymous No.9056239]

>>9055732
>"Those using these words are too lazy for actual thought"
>calls the game "Reddit Trigger"
Also pacing, soul, and comfy are all useful terms and people generally understand what is meant

[Anonymous No.9056252]

>>9054157
>>9054206
You're lucky. There are tons of great old games for you to experience still, even just considering the SNES RPGs officially released in English. Chrono Trigger is one of the best, but there's a bunch more you can try. The Final Fantasy games, Lufia II, Super Mario RPG, Earthbound, etc.

[Anonymous No.9056316]

Just finished it recently. It's pretty good if a bit too easy and the last half is much more uneven than the first half, although it still has some really strong moments. Forest sidequest, present day king sidequest, reuniting Magus with his cat. Tons of reused assets in the second half, including the final dungeon which is pretty much some straight lines punctuated by some easy encounters if you did all the sidequests. Combat would have been much better if you could manually position your characters. Also Robo's pink palette swap gf with a bow is one of the dumbest moments of any jarpig

[Anonymous No.9056319]

>>9056252
I'm scared of playing those games. I don't want to turn into one of ...those...

[Anonymous No.9056435]

>>9055732
>done better in Suikoden
HAHAHA fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.9056557]

>>9056319
Don't let faggots poison the well for you. Play them and apologize to no one.

[Anonymous No.9057381]

>>9056239
Pacing also is easily measurable in concrete terms (unlike the other two which are more qualitative).

[Anonymous No.9057460]

Looks like I'm the only one who considers this game to be average at best. Really lukewarm experience overall, even replayed it 10 years after and can't really see what's so great about it

[Anonymous No.9057478]

>>9057460
Did you make any effort at all to understand why people like it, or did you just play it once and listen to your feelings?
Not liking Chrono Trigger is nothing special, but not understanding why it's praised could mean you just are lazy or don't understand objectivity.

[Anonymous No.9057510]

>>9057460
Your a hipster, yeah.

[Anonymous No.9057512]

>>9054217
Wihly? Is that you?

[Anonymous No.9057594]

>>9054586
He's not being a dick, he's right. Even Final Fantasy VI has more serious RPG mechanics than Chrono Trigger, and FFVI is not known for its challenge. CT is a great game with a ton of good qualities and deserves its reputation but it is absolutely an accessible, entry-level game.
>>9055197
Yeah but not the guy pointing out that CT is a beginner RPG. In this case, you're one obsessed.
>>9054749
>Quality is the only thing that matters.
No, not true at all. You can have quality game for beginners and little kids and you can have a quality game for late teens and adults. You can have quality for storyfags and you can have quality for build autists. You can have quality for people who like non-linearity and open worlds and you can have quality for people like linearity with scripted cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.9057626]

>>9055243
Difficulty is a vague term, but there are definitely relative levels of it even in terms of JRPGs.

Comparing FFVI and CT is enlightening here, since no midwit will be able to tell the difference between the two, in terms of "difficulty." But there are plenty of angles for comparison.

For example, both games let you change your party members. However, the consequences can be far more significant in Final Fantasy VI. FFVI lets you include only a single member (out of a max of 4). You can easily wind up with a party full of scrubs missing important abilities, or whose traits have questionably synergy (eg Gau and Mog all have moves that leave them AI-controlled and Umaro is always AI-controlled, so having all 3 of them in a group can be awkward. But if that's what you really want, FFVI lets you do it. You can have some character that's 20 levels behind anyone else and take them solo into the Tyrannosaur Forest if you want to.

CT on the other hand, makes it hard to have an unbalanced party. You're required to have a full party (after the beginning). Abilities are spread evenly across different characters so it's hard to wind up in a situation where you (for example) don't have any healing beyond items. In fact it's been awhile but I think you need to recruit Magus to even have that possibility at all. You'll basically always have a variety of magic and some physical attacks (again, there's like one possible party combo of lucca/marle/magus that is weak on physicals).

Again this is just an example comparing two easy games. There are other angles you can look, too, like analyzing the impacts of decisions during battle and how easy it is to make bad choices vs good choices and how significant the risk of losing when you make bad vs good choices.

>grinding provides a openly and heavily effective alternative
This is just a built-in difficulty slider. If you can't handle comparing games without assuming max grinding that's on you.

[Anonymous No.9057651]

>>9056319
Who cares about what nerds think on the internet? I wish I still had time to play 60 hour long JRPGs, I loved them as a kid, but now that I have a full time job, I only play games in short bursts, so I mostly play platformers and action games.
Earthbound is the last retro JRPG I've finished a while back and it's one of my favorite game.

[Anonymous No.9057664]

>>9057594
>In this case, you're one obsessed.
Dumbass. I didn't even comment on that

[Anonymous No.9057667]

>>9057664
even worse if your comment came out of the blue

[Anonymous No.9057669]

>>9057667
God you're stupid. I hope your parents are dead so they don't have to know how much of a fuck up you turned out to be.

[Anonymous No.9057676]

>>9054206
i was born in 2000 and ever since i found the internet at 6 i've heard nothing but this game's praises

[Anonymous No.9057678]

>>9057478
I mean I tried to understand, some of the concepts are cool but ultimately they are just concept. Time travel with your friends across multiple eras is a cool concept, but it's just a normal progression game for the most part not a unique mechanic. The combat is slow as hell and there's no customization outside the techniques (really disliked this). I like the graphics and OST, it's certainly a well made game from a technical standpoint but it's just... hollow, not satisfying.

>>9057510
Far from it, but you obviously wouldn't know that

[Anonymous No.9057680]

>>9057478
Also I genuinely want to know your opinion on why it's an objectively fantastic game

[Anonymous No.9057947]

>>9054157
i played this some 7 years ago but i stopped around the mecha-pteranosaur fight. I've been meaning to replay it recently after my gf rekindled my love for rpgs, and ct having a rep as a short, easy but well made game makes it seem optimal for me. What version should i start with? Ds has a smaller screen but better translation, but snes is just all around solid.

[Anonymous No.9058052]

>>9054749
A lot of RPGspergs dislike this "beginner's RPG" because the devs really seemed to understand that a good RPG is more than rolling dice and doing math. RPGs that are "brutally difficult" because of more grinding and harder mazes are fucking boring. Non-tactical JRPG combat is shit. The worst thing about Chrono Trigger is that it is a JRPG with a typical basic combat system.

[Anonymous No.9058083]

>>9057947
snes

[Anonymous No.9058108]

>>9057947
DS using DraStic with classic mode and only use the top screen.

[Anonymous No.9058204]

>>9057947

[Anonymous No.9058261]

>>9057512
no i'm tim

[Anonymous No.9058267]

>>9057678
>what is fantastic about CT?
First, bear in mind that I wrote this post: >>9057626
CT is an entry-level JRPG. If you're an adult who has played a dozen other RPGs I would not recommend CT without caveats.
For an entry-level game, its customization is good. You can make many different party configurations that play differently in noticeable ways, but without parties ever being substantially more or less powerful than others. It's also balanced to be easy, but to have a little more depth than is immediately apparent, for anyone autistic enough to care. The double/triple techs all have a variety of damage formulas that min/maxers can explore, and so on. The positioning gimmick makes combat feel more dynamic without really adding any difficulty.

It's also well-paced, with good balance between quick storytelling segments and gameplay. You're rarely stuck in long elaborate cutscene sequences for an extended period and and you never go too long before getting some more story. The plot itself advances quickly, steadily increasing the scope and the stakes, adding new characters and revisiting old ones. You can easily finish the main story in 20 hours or less. Telling efficient stories seems to be something of a lost art. 16-bit era RPGs had severe limitations on how much text could be included in a game, so storytelling had to do a lot with a little. Chrono Trigger was one of the last games of that era. From 5th generation onward, games had no practical limitation on text verbosity.

[Anonymous No.9058323]

>>9057947

Steam version modded is good. Has the DS extras and if you want to deck out your characters and no small screen + better translation. Mods are good for working out the kinks of the port.

[Anonymous No.9058328]

I couldn't get into it, didn't like the battle system.

[Anonymous No.9058371]

Going to be real with you guys. Ive played many JRPG series/games that were released after CT. I assume most these games were influenced by CT. Will I still find CT such a great game if I pick it up?

[Anonymous No.9058531]

>>9058323
>Steam version
Kys faggot

[Anonymous No.9058621]

I've been meaning to play this game for a long time but have choice paralysis due to the number of ports. Which version should I play?

[Anonymous No.9058625]

>>9058371
Probably. CT was fairly derivative itself.

[Anonymous No.9059389]

>>9058371
The story is mostly DQ-esque slapstick and the worldmap is tiny as hell, but it is still very ambitious and well executed. It's the serious parts of story and the hunt for everyone's final weapons that people love the game for.

[Anonymous No.9059692]

>>9059389
>It's the serious parts of story and the hunt for everyone's final weapons that people love the game for.
eh i find the story unremarkable and the lategame sidequests throw off the pacing, which is what i like most about the game

[Anonymous No.9059695]

>>9054157
It really fucking isn't, and I'm tired of everyone saying it is when genuine masterpieces like Terranigma and Seiken Densetsu 3 exist
though seeing this >>9054206 I assume your opinion was formed in part by watching Youtube videos or something

[Anonymous No.9059704]

>>9059695
Seiken 3 is really boring and ugly to me. Like what's the appeal? Really clunky arpg combat.

[Anonymous No.9059706]

>>9059704
The appeal is the interwoven story, beautiful music, artistic sprite work on top of a decent fight system
"clunky" is a word game journalists use to get around being shit at a game, I suspect that is the case here as well

[Anonymous No.9059709]

>>9059706
>"clunky" is a word game journalists use to get around being shit at a game
Yep, though today (especially with zoomers) they prefer the term "janky". Basically, if the game doesn't instantly give them what they want in a way they already understand, the game must be broken.

[Anonymous No.9060074]

>>9059709
nice try yuro but your jank is real

[Anonymous No.9060208]

>>9059695
What is it about Chrono Trigger you don't like?

[Anonymous No.9060352]

>>9054823
it's on par with those other 3. I cycle replaying through those 3 all the time, like a good music album.

[Anonymous No.9060356]

>>9055570

[Anonymous No.9060520]

>>9054157
I beat it. I enjoyed it. It's not groundbreaking. The story isn't great. It was just okay. There's 50000 endings that are all essentially the same.

[Anonymous No.9061183]

Was anyone else disappointed that Lavos wasn't really an organic parasite and more of an alien surrounded by high tech gadgets? The idea of Lavos being a killing machine who's only purpose is to feed and spread his seed throughout the galaxy was great. Instead I guess Lavos' outer shell was built by someone?

[Anonymous No.9061187]

>>9054586
It's ez af

[Anonymous No.9061194]

>>9054741
It has several and any retard can emulate SNES games
Kys

[Anonymous No.9061215]

>>9056319
Yeah too many Nintendo games will make you into a tranny

[Anonymous No.9061218]

>>9057947
>Gf (male)

[Anonymous No.9061251]

>>9059709
No jank is totally different. Jank usually means unpolished and rough around the edges and can apply to anything. Jank is often present in good games when developers pushing boundaries are forced to make tradeoffs to deliver quality on time/budget/tech. "Clunky" meanwhile, almost always refers to controls and action mechanics (which it clearly does in this case as anon is referencing 'arpg combat' in Seiken 3).

[Anonymous No.9061257]

>>9059695
>Comparing an ATB to ARPG
Anon I really don't think you understand how this works.

[Anonymous No.9061520]

>>9054157
It is one of my most favorite games. The main reason I am here. Played through it a couple times and I try to play it every now and then. I agree it has one of the best game soundtracks ever and I got the CDs to ease the drives into work. It was also amazing visually for the system. Everyone I know who played it loves the game.

[Anonymous No.9061719]

Was Lucca a girl or a boy and did Crono fug her?

[Anonymous No.9062025]

>>9061520
>it has one of the best game soundtracks
i like it too, but much of it was plagiarized

[Anonymous No.9062287]

>>9062025
>plagiarized
Prove it

[Anonymous No.9062306]

>>9060520
>story not great
What game has a better story? Maybe dragk quest v but that's the only one I can think of

[Anonymous No.9062362]

>>9062287
>spoonfeed me
nah

[Anonymous No.9062392]

love this game. i got up to the robot dome but then i left my phone outsite and it rained and i lost my saves. gonna pick it back up again one of these days

[Anonymous No.9062474]

>>9062306
Secret of Mana? FF4-6? DQ4?

[Anonymous No.9062720]

>>9054157
My opinion is that Toriyama's art wasn't good at the time (or at least, was too samey; he improved eventually after this) and the game would have been ugly if it had been developed for the PSX or Saturn. Their budget SNES choice at the end of its lifespan saved the entire look of the game.

[Anonymous No.9062728]

>>9062025
>>9062362
What was it plagiarized from? Are you here in this communication space to communicate with others on an interest you have, or play Johnny Tightlips over game trivia?

[Anonymous No.9062768]

>>9062474
No way in hell bro

[Anonymous No.9062968]

As always for video game time travel stories, make sure your brain is off. Chrono Trigger uses multiple different time travel paradigms for plot convenience. The only time it's actually internally consistent when it does this is having the Chrono Trigger itself work differently.

[Anonymous No.9062974]

>>9057678
>Far from it
No, I'm right. Cope

[Anonymous No.9062980]

>>9062306
I personally think Chrono Trigger's story is fine. It has a handful of really strong moments and nothing stands out as bad.
That said, I could easily see someone being disappointed by it if they'd heard it hyped up as "the best JRPG story ever" or something.
I do think that games can have better stories than Chrono Trigger and some games do. I always know for sure that I've played a game with a great story when I catch myself crying. Pic related is the big one for me, I get teary-eyed even thinking about this stage in this game.
I agree with the sentiment that Chrono Trigger is the perfect entry-level JRPG. It has none of the lows of the rest of the genre, while still having a taste of the highs.

[Anonymous No.9063037]

People all these years later not getting what Lavos actually is (no, not the creature. NO, not the spaceman...) is why so many JRPGs explain every damn thing.

[Anonymous No.9063432]

>>9062980
It's a good game all around, but not great. I didn't feel like I wasted my time.

[Anonymous No.9064560]

>Middle Ages
>King recognizes you as a hero
>Chancellor isn't a douchebag
>Guards don't falsely accuse you of shit

Why is Guardia in 1000 AD comparatively such a shit hole?

[Anonymous No.9064565]

>>9062306
final fantasy 7, 9, 10

[Anonymous No.9064579]

>>9062474
>>9064565
not him but i think ct has a better story than all those
but in the context of 90s square it doesn't hold a candle to xenogears or fft

[Anonymous No.9064683]

>>9064579
>not him but i think ct has a better story than all those
I disagree though I like CT's simple story a lot
Also
>Xenogears
>good story
lol bible references =/= good writing

[Anonymous No.9064912]

>>9064683
Bible references are the bad part of the writing. Xenogears is good for other reasons.

[Anonymous No.9064918]

>>9062362
I've seen too many retards claim plagiarism only to find out they don't have a fucking clue how music works to take low-effort shitposters like you at their word.

Put up or shut up.

[Anonymous No.9065006]

>>9064912
>Xenogears is good for other reasons.
Being a rushed unfinished mess? yeah, no. It's a bad game all around.

[Anonymous No.9065012]

>corridors of time extended music

[Anonymous No.9065085]

>>9064918
bruh just do a quick search it's 3 words

[Anonymous No.9065105]

>>9062980

[Anonymous No.9065137]

This exact scene and line of dialogue has been rotting in my head since I played it.

[Anonymous No.9065140]

>>9065012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-t5Z5GBGsE

[Anonymous No.9065336]

>>9065085
>On to the topic... so for some years now I have known about the subtle similarities between some of the songs of Pink Floyd and CT. 'The Wall' and 'Secret of the Forest' and then you've got "The Trial" and CT's 'Kingdom Trial'
Are you fucking kidding? Lmao people who whine about this sort of thing are so clueless

[Anonymous No.9065379]

>>9065336
>implying
holy cope
https://youtu.be/feoHV5JUbuo?t=12

[Anonymous No.9065384]

>>9065379
I'll be honest. I'm not sure I could give less of a shit when it comes to music plagiarism even if it's 100% true and done maliciously.
In fact I'll even go so far as to say YOU don't actually care and are just desperate to find a reason to shit on it since you're mad (for whatever reason) that it's popular

[Anonymous No.9065398]

>>9065384
well yeah if i cared then i would've made an effort post in response to the butthurt replies for merely mentioning it
but i like the ost anyway, which i also already said

[Anonymous No.9065530]

>>9065006
No, it's full of great parts and bad parts. You should stop talking about things you don't understand. It's a rushed mess, yes, but it has some great character development, drama, world-building, and interesting conflicts. If you can handle the only real final stakes being "save your girlfriend and close friends so you can repopulate the planet," and don't mind sitting through Krelian's boring monologue, the story has a very satisfying conclusion.

[Anonymous No.9065553]

>>9065379
That's not plagiarism. It's close and pretty clearly borrowed from that work, but using the same arpeggio figure in an otherwise completely different piece is not plagiarism. At worst, it's a quote (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_quotation)), which is not plagiarism, not meainingful criticism and nothing to get worked up about.

You just proved I was corrrect in my presumption that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.9065670]

>>9065553
>That's not plagiarism
>It's close and pretty clearly borrowed from that work
>At worst, it's a quote
>nothing to get worked up about.
>you don't know what the fuck you are talking about
what a rollercoaster

[Anonymous No.9066110]

>>9065670
And yet 100% true. If your weak little binary brain can't handle it, it's not my fault.

[Anonymous No.9066143]

>>9065530
Not him, but I was told (by many) that the second disc was complete trash.
Is that false? I'm interested in it and I hear disc 1 is godly, but if the second half sucks, I don't know if I have the patience for it

[Anonymous No.9066146]

>>9066110
i'm definitely gonna... borrow 'it's not plagiarism, it's a quote'. kek that's a good one

[Anonymous No.9066148]

>>9066143
It isn't bad, it's just skewed almost entirely towards narrative rather than gameplay. /vr/ has a couple of regular retards with a hate boner for Xenogears.

[Anonymous No.9066162]

>>9064560
>>Chancellor isn't a douchebag
anon reverted to yakra.

[Anonymous No.9066163]

>>9064579
>xenogears

[Anonymous No.9066174]

>>9066163

[Anonymous No.9066208]

>>9066174
memes aside, i think the legitimate criticism of xenogears is that its story is too complex for its own good. thing is though, it isn't convoluted. it makes sense. but it's autistically complex, and i'm not so sure it helps any of the philosophical concepts they bring to the table. but i like xenogears due to this flaw.

i subscribe to the idea that story in games is like story in porn. storytelling in games is possible, but games aren't set up to support what jrpgs tend to try to do. so we end up with a lot of retarded bullshit. story is not the strength of the medium, but it's cute that they try.

by contrast, i think ct brings up existential concepts beautifully, although i'm not sure if it was intentional. basically every character is contending with some kind of inevitability
>crono
death
>marle
the world ending
>lucca
humanity's self-destructive tendencies
>robo
his programming
>frog
feeling fated to be a pussy his whole life
>magus
schala's fate

hence that's why radical dreamers is called radical dreamers. the core concept of the chrono shit is "defying fate" or whatever. and it works because it's not too on the nose.

[Anonymous No.9066212]

[Anonymous No.9066226]

>>9066208
>but i like xenogears due to this flaw
Same. I actually enjoy RPGs with tons of story. All the background and invented terminology is fun to me, and I enjoy theorizing over things with people. Sometimes a big part of what makes an RPG's story fun too is just having a lot of cool stuff happen with lots of twists and turns, and Xenogears provides that.

That's a cool way of looking at Chrono Trigger, fits pretty well. For Lucca, the part with her mom losing her legs kinda works with that too. She's given a chance to go back and fix what was a permanent tragedy for her family. Interesting how the game gives you only one shot at it too.

[Anonymous No.9066247]

>>9066226
>For Lucca, the part with her mom losing her legs kinda works with that too
yeah, because she's an inventor, and it's one of her/taban's inventions that causes the damage. so my pet theory is her whole theme is reconciling humans and technology.

>>9066226
>enjoy theorizing over things
this is a good point also. similar to how miyamoto's idea with zelda was having the community put their heads together, it can be interesting to ponder the great snarl that is xenogears's plot, and you can do it multiplayer mode too. i feel the same way about the mgs series. it's wacky as fuck, but for some reason i just feel compelled to understand it all.

although i'd trade a simpler plot for better gameplay pretty much every time. if i want to read i'll get a book (tm).

[Anonymous No.9066795]

Is Lucca's family rich or well off?

[Anonymous No.9067224]

>>9066208
>the legitimate criticism of xenogears is that its story is too complex for its own good.
I don't think "legit" criticism of Xenogears can be boiled down into anything other than "clusterfuck." Maybe too complex for its own good? Sure, but also the pacing is shitty (fucking Nortune holy shit), there are contrivances everywhere, the religious symbolism and language gets distracting at times, just substituting words like "advents" because it's a term that Catholics use despite it coming off as conversationally awkward. It gets worse, using phrases like "resurrection of God" long past the point where it's really plausible that Gazel Ministry has any genuine religious motivation-- they aren't out for anyone but themselves. It's just feels like forcing the metaphor (which is already obvious).

The main strength of Xenogears is the story of Fei and Elly, along with a few other good characters like Bart and many of the villains. Even all the autistic world-building is tied closely to Fei and Elly's personal story.

>>9066143
> I was told (by many) that the second disc was complete trash.
Whether it's "trash" or not is simplistic and subjective. Disc 2 is what it is. The game was rushed/unfinished (and likely over-ambitious, IOW the original vision was never going to be completed in time to make it to market).

Disc 2 is a consequence of a production decision to complete the entire planned story, without having the resources to do it properly. So the story is advanced by narration and storyboard-style pictures, interspersed with occasional dungeons, boss fights, and cutscene events they were actually able to finish. When I originally played, I actually didn't mind Disc 2 that much. I was sick of the gameplay (which can get exhausting and samey) but was invested in the story really wanted to start seeing the plot move toward a final resolution.

>>9066146
Other binary-brain simpletons like yourself will enjoy it, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.9067243]

>>9066143
So I guess the point is that if you can even make it to Disc 2, you might not be bothered by it. Story-wise, there is some crazy shit that happens. It's hard to say how much the criticism you've heard is focused on that more than the storyboard+narration approach and lack of gameplay.

For me, it's more like seeing Disc 2 makes me realize how many problems there are in Disc 1-- slow/boring sequences that should have been cut or trimmed down to make room for all the shit that had to happen later on.

[Anonymous No.9067272]

>>9067224
no need for insults my otherwise endearing mental gymnast fren. i hope you have a wonderful day

[Anonymous No.9067557]

>>9066795
They get residuals every time Leene's bell rings.

[Anonymous No.9067579]

>>9065137
Woolsey's way of getting around the "death" word ban squeezed every bit of creative juice from him.

[Anonymous No.9067675]

>>9067579
Giving Woolsey way too much credit

[Anonymous No.9067942]

>>9067272
It's not plagiarism. You have not responded to the argument with anything other than butthurt sniping and sarcasm, so you deserve the insults/

[Anonymous No.9067959]

>>9067942
eh the songs speak for themselves, and you agreed with 'pretty clearly borrowed'. rest is just cope and seethe projection

[Anonymous No.9067974]

>>9067675
Cool pic even cooler I don't know what the fuck that says
You are my slave U bottom-caste, I bet you're a Catholic too. Translate it for me, my slave

[Anonymous No.9068156]

>>9056319
It's too late; you're already here. Your soul is eternally corrupted and the only way you can remove it is to bathe in aged Shivambu (read: piss)

[Anonymous No.9068173]

>>9067675
>it seems there is no time for this thing rate
Seems like it says basically the same thing, in that he's in a timeless sleep

[Anonymous No.9068293]

>>9067959
Plagiarizing means to take someone elses work and present it as your own. Using an accompaniment figure to create a totally different song doesn't qualify.

[Anonymous No.9068305]

>>9068293
what's that make this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKWFvbgkWls

[Anonymous No.9068437]

>>9068293
>semantics

[Anonymous No.9068454]

>>9068437
Learn English then.

[Anonymous No.9068503]

>>9068173
>この物体には時間がながれていないようだ。
A literal translation would be along the lines of "It appears that time is not flowing within this being."
The line used in the English version isn't very similar stylistically and isn't perfectly accurate, but it is very pretty and I think the original author would have liked it.

[Anonymous No.9068528]

>>9068454
eh i call a spade a spade m8

[Anonymous No.9068653]

lucca is clearly the main character. the game would have been infinitely better if you played from her perspective, where you accidentally built a time machine, sent your friends back in time, went back to rescue them, ended up in the future and discovered that the world is ending, vowed to save the world, built another time machine, saved your crippled mom, got hit on by a cavewoman, and helped your robot son repopulate a forest for 400 years.

[Anonymous No.9068829]

[Anonymous No.9068838]

Played it before you were born, didnt care much for it.

[Anonymous No.9069576]

>>9063037
Is the personification of USA.

[Anonymous No.9069579]

>>9064560
Because in CT, time is not progress but degeneracy.

[Anonymous No.9069581]

>>9068653
i like lucca

[Anonymous No.9069583]

>>9063037
What? Forced evolution? What are you trying to get at?

[Anonymous No.9069585]

>>9068305
he made a sequel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phWoiyfA8ls

[Anonymous No.9069725]

>>9068528
No, you don't.

[Anonymous No.9069974]

>>9069576
Based Patlabor chad.

[Anonymous No.9070026]

>>9069725
2 days later and you're still seething
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SuspiciouslySimilarSong/SquareEnix

[Anonymous No.9070029]

>>9070026
Autism

[Anonymous No.9070036]

>>9070029
cope

[Anonymous No.9070038]

>>9070036
With you being autistic? I have, thanks. Mostly by making fun of you.

[Anonymous No.9070049]

>>9070038
lmao cry more faggot

[Anonymous No.9070051]

>>9070049
>Says the guy crying that no one cares and is happily insulting him
lol

[Anonymous No.9070056]

>>9070051
ohh yeah keep going i'm gonna coom

[Anonymous No.9070058]

>>9070056
>Groomer and a coomer
sad

[Anonymous No.9070072]

>>9070058

[Anonymous No.9070920]

>>9062025
I also really like the music of the first two Streets of Rage games which is pretty much plagiarized. I like the original songs as well as the ones in the game, in fact the game songs are more memorable to me since those are the ones I am most familiar with since I played them in their day.

[Anonymous No.9072226]

>>9064560
Carry on playing

[Anonymous No.9072601]

>>9070026
That reddit list his hilarious and clearly made by retards bad at pattern matching and attention to detail.
Ayla's theme and Tom Jones? Fucking lol that's not even subconscious inspiration. Both songs use a trochaic rhythm and trumpets for the background, that's literally it. Everything else is different. The second syllable isn't even the same. Wait till I tell you about 4-chord songs, that will absolutely blow your mind. The rest of the examples on that page are just as bad, so far as I can tell (but I'm not going to check them all given how retarded the others have been)

At least with Corridors of Time it's plausible the figure itself was imitated. Hence it's plausible to call it a "quote" which is when you use a fragment of someone else's work in your own.

For an example, here's Pitbull quoting A-Ha's 'Take me on'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jlI4uzZGjU

The video makes clear homages to the original 80s music video. There's no attempt to fool anyone and it's not a ripoff or plagiarism.

>>9068305
(Debatably) transformative. It's common for rappers (and other pop musicians) to sample existing recordings and add additional layers, although it's often limited to a hook/refrain section. In theory, they aren't trying to present the sampled track as their own, they're expecting people to recognize it. I'll admit I've never seen one so thoroughly base itself around a sample, though.

[Anonymous No.9073828]

>>9054157
I played it first when i was in my 20s. I thought it was pretty shitty because when you're in your 20's you're pretty stupid. I thought "the plot wasn't very good", like not complex enough or something.
But as you get older you realise when it comes to good writing, plot is just there for all the interesting stuff to be based around, and the plot itself is largely irrelevant. The more interesting stuff is the characters and scenarios and pacing and the way everything is structured etc - and chrono absolutely fucking excels at this.
I finally re-played it about 15 years after the first time, in japanese, and i did all the side content. It really is an amazing game, the side content really made it shine with how everything is connected across different time periods, and doing one thing in one period will change things in another etc. And the simple story is one of its greatest points because most JRPG story's get bogged down in over convoluted and incomprehensible nonsense.

[Anonymous No.9074202]

>2007 start CT on emulator but file gets erased
>2008 start new game but have to leave dad's house before I can get any farther than I was the first time
>2011 get CT for DS and get to where I had been in the previous 2 files only to be blocked from progress by a broken L button
>2019 play CT on roommate's WiiU but he accidentally saves over file before Ocean Palace
>2020 friend gets me new DS with CT
After 5 tries and 15 years I FINALLY beat Chrono Trigger and can join in these threads!!!!
What do you anons think of Chrono Trigger? [/spoiler]I thought it was ok[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.9074207]

>>9056316
I agree with what you say about Robo's GF and combat being better if you could position the characters yourelf. I'd argue that the second half, though less engaging plotwise than the first half, works because of all the side quests that become available. Like the first half is better, but the second half is when you get to complete a bunch of things that were established much earlier in the game

[Anonymous No.9075079]

humminahummina awoooga boooga booga booga bunga boooga!

How the hell do you make sprite art this sexy? How do you get to the point where you can communicate things such as sweat glistening off ass cheeks and midriff with just 20X50 pixels? I'm asking because I made a coomer DOOM mod a while back that was basically a first person catfight simulator. None of my sprites even came close to being this sexy though.

[Anonymous No.9075161]

>>9072601
i mean corridors of time is blatantly sirius+princess who loves insects, yet mitsuda denies it

[Anonymous No.9076013]

>>9074202
Ctrl+S is your friend, anon.

[Anonymous No.9076015]

i love rpgs and square. played chrono trigger for the first time last year. it was fun and enjoyable experience. but not really memorable or special. i would never replay it.

you can tell it and ff6 are shilled by the 40 year old boomers who grew up on nes and snes and just constantly talk about the same games from their childhood out of nostalgia. funny how the FFs games that didnt get localized until much later arent talked about despite being of similar if not better quality.

[Anonymous No.9076020]

>>9054938
In OP's picture it is clearly in his right hand

[Anonymous No.9076034]

>>9054769
It's a matter of taste. I like JRPG combat.

[Anonymous No.9076084]

>>9076034
most jrpg combat is just holding confirm to auto attack

[Anonymous No.9076303]

>>9076015
> funny how the FFs games that didnt get localized until much later arent talked about similar if not better quality.
The only one that is even arguable is FF5. I love the job system but not everyone does (and I like it better in FF Tactics), and also think it has a fun story but I wouldn't say it's better than CT overall. For FF2 and FF3 you have the choice of playing a janky old NES game or a soulless remake, and nobody in their right mind thinks any of those games are "unqualified better" than Chrono Trigger. Hell hardly anyone even argues that FF1 or FF4 are better than CT despite those games being localized in reasonable time. People who really like FF1 generally just like it for what it is and aren't busy trying to compare dicks with games from the mid-90s.
Meanwhile all the Square JRPGs after Chrono Trigger (except maybe SaGa) swung hard toward longer and more elaborate stories. Even Bravely Default is a 50+ hour game.

[Anonymous No.9076316]

>>9076084
Not if you don't want it to be, although I know it's useless to try discussing it with smoothbrains who stake their ego on difficulty in videogame RPGs.

[Anonymous No.9076375]

>>9076316
it was a comment on complexity moreso than difficulty, but i suppose they go hand in hand
why the seethe?

[Anonymous No.9077615]

>>9076013
cute Marle

[Anonymous No.9077737]

What did everyone name their characters during their playthroughs? For me it was
>Chrono
Hiro
>Marle
Mariko (I'd been reading Shogun when I started this file)
>Lucca
Megane
>Frog
ANON
>Robo
SB-129
>Ayla
Jugga
>Magus
I killed his bitch ass

[Anonymous No.9077757]

>>9077737
i just leave their defaults
>he killed magus
based retard

[Anonymous No.9078460]

What's that grey orb device in the middle?

[Anonymous No.9079002]

>ctrl+f "boz scaggs"
>0/0
do people not know about this?
https://youtu.be/uUVaZG4gRJ8?t=38

[Anonymous No.9079013]

>>9054157
>I don't hear enough about Chrono Trigger.

That's because people have gotten tired of talking about it. From like 1998-2008 this was all people talked about online. You are late to the party.

[Anonymous No.9079143]

>>9077757
Frog was my party leader and he and Magus had a score to settle. Don't regret it

[Anonymous No.9079202]

>>9076375
I like talking about jrpg combat sometimes even though I know it is usually tuned to be not-very-demanding. Hyperbolic posts like yours make everyone retarded and discussion impossible.
Tldr retards make me seethe.

[Anonymous No.9079308]

>>9079202
there's nothing hyperbolic about saying most jrpg combat is holding confirm to auto attack. it's true
bosses typically require actual thought, even if it's just spamming elemental weakness, but trash mobs are the bulk