/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9052529]

>Obviously copy Hydlide/Ultima
>"Uh, yeah, Zelda was actually inspired by me exploring the woods as a kid"

Why do we let some developers get away with being poetic/deceptive with the truth? Is it just to be polite?

[Anonymous No.9052531]

Who cares

[Anonymous No.9052537]

>>9052529
Haha common! Is it really that far fetched?
> I liked exploring as a kid
>> you filthy fucking liar

Pokemon guy said his inspiration was catching bugs as a kid... is that really too farfetch'd to believe?

[Anonymous No.9052543]

>>9052537
Yes, because Pokemon is confirmed to be a made directly because of Dragon Quest?

[Anonymous No.9052557]

>>9052529
>you can't have multiple inspirations
Props to >>9052537 for bringing up Pokemon, because Tajiri even described Pokemon as a mishmash of stuff he liked as a kid.

[Anonymous No.9052565]

>>9052529
yeah most developers are just scam hoaxs that took all of the glory from more talented unkown people

[Anonymous No.9052582]

>>9052529
Japanese developers have always had a huge pass from the gaming press. Actually, it's just the Japanese period. Yoko Kanno is a shameless plagiarist (as in she'll lift entire songs) and no one cares, she's still treated like a serious artist. She even does the same thing as Miyamoto where she just tells bald-faced lies about her "inspiration" and what she's familiar with. Again, no one cares because the Japanese can do no wrong.

[Anonymous No.9052613]

>>9052529
He literally said that he liked Dragon Slayer and was inspired by it

[Anonymous No.9052614]

>>9052543
>Satoshi Tajiri made Pokemon trading because he was jealous that he couldn't get a Magic Hat in Dragon Quest II while his friend got two
Amazing what bitterness can do.

[Anonymous No.9052630]

>>9052614
I got the hat in the SFC remake a year ago. Maybe the drop rates are better in this version but it was still satisfying

[Anonymous No.9052631]

>You can't make top down perspective games anymore, all creativity possible has been exausted by these two titles.

For fuck's sake modern board games have preceded all of them by decades and abstract board games preceded them by millenia.
Also both Ultima and Hydlide are much more abstract and limited than Zelda

[Anonymous No.9052634]

>>9052631
>Also both Ultima and Hydlide are much more abstract and limited than Zelda
dumb weeb

[Anonymous No.9052638]

>>9052634
Hydlide is a Japanese game...

[Anonymous No.9052646]

>>9052529
>as a kid
In one interview, he was describing how he was in the woods behind his parent's backyard and would swing sticks like a sword for hours.
The interviewer smirked and asked him how old he was at the time.
He replied "twenty two, desu".

[Anonymous No.9052650]

>>9052630
If I recall, remakes give you a free hat hidden in the Rhone Cave, plus makes it a drop from Magic Vampirus which is easier to catch than the Metabbles.

[Anonymous No.9052657]

>>9052531
fpbp

[Anonymous No.9052669]

>>9052582
>Yoko Kanno
Examples?

[Anonymous No.9052673]

>>9052529
I bet Miyamoto has never seen the woods, if he even knows what they are.

[Anonymous No.9052683]

>>9052537
Haha yeah that would be ridiculous if it were true.

[Anonymous No.9052752]

>>9052537
Probay was inspired by those sadistic bug cage fights they do in japan, but didn't want to admit it.

[Anonymous No.9052854]

>>9052657
Speak English.

[Anonymous No.9052968]

>>9052529
Nobody cares about Hydlide. Zelda didn't copy Ultimas exploration. Cry moar.

[Anonymous No.9052994]

>>9052529
something can simultaneously be bilking off market trends as well as having some individual inspiration

[Anonymous No.9053017]

>>9052529
Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy were inspired by Wizardry, Ultima...

Wizardy and Ultima were inspired by Dungeons and Dragons...

Dungeons and Dragons was inspired by Lord of the Rings...

Lord of the Rings was inspired by germanic, greek, finnish, celtic, and slavic myths...

The Iliad was inspired by legends and poems passed down orally...

And finally, I passed out after your mom went down on me orally... its all connected.

[Anonymous No.9053050]

>>9053017
Based fellatio enjoyer.

[Anonymous No.9053185]

>Hydlide/Ultima
>exploring forests as a kid

The one thing you don't understand is that it's not either of the two. It can be both. The base inspiration may have been feelings gotten as a kid and the game mechanics other games he played. Creative products never have "one" inspiration, always several, just like Resident Evil is both Sweet Home, Alone In The Dark and zombie movies, or how Castlevania is both old monster movies AND Vampire Hunter D, a famous anime from that time period, while also at the same time being obviously a Ghost'n'Goblins clone.

[Anonymous No.9053246]

>>9052537
I see wha Ch'ding there

[Anonymous No.9053267]

>>9052646
Kek

[Anonymous No.9053281]

>>9052634
Jesus you are a dumbass

[Anonymous No.9053334]

>>9052529
anon you can have more than one source of inspiration.

[Anonymous No.9053382]

holy shit miyamoto is such a conman!
imagine thinking that there's electricity in the woods, you can't play video games there.

[Anonymous No.9053474]

>>9052646
bruh this is super based. I'm 25 and i still get the urge to do that

[Anonymous No.9053575]

>>9052650
>plus makes it a drop from Magic Vampirus which is easier to catch than the Metabbles.
Is actually the other way around, Metal Babbles have a higher rate drop than the Vampirus, they did add the drop for the Babbles on the remakes though.

[Anonymous No.9053615]

>>9052582
>Yoko Kanno is a shameless plagiarist

[Anonymous No.9053635]

Don't care. Zelda 1 is still the best nes game.

[Anonymous No.9053661]

I don't care what influenced what, Hydlide is fucking kusoge. Zelda 1 still plays well in terms of movement and combat. It's hard to figure out how to progress sometimes, especially during the 2nd quest, but all of the early adventure and RPG games were like this

[Anonymous No.9054193]

This reminds me. I want to make games for kids not manchildren.

[Anonymous No.9054240]

>>9052543
Well yeah, most JRPGs were inspired by Dragon Quest. It's possible to have multiple points of influence. It was also inspired by a book Tajiri had that cataloged old Ultraman monsters and listed their stats, which led to the Pokedex.

>>9052669

https://youtu.be/eOy3AuB5PtI
https://youtu.be/c9cwF7lSuMo

[Anonymous No.9054258]

>>9052529
Because people want to be lied to.

[Anonymous No.9054259]

I wish I had forests to explore as a kid.

[Anonymous No.9054261]

>>9052646
This isn't fucking fair. Some guys just get all the luck

[Anonymous No.9054391]

>>9054240
Bullshit

[Anonymous No.9054406]

>>9052529
>"ummm we dont look at our competitions games"
>literally pictured next to the entire mega drive's japanese launch lineup at nintendo hq

[Anonymous No.9054604]

>>9054406
But he's right. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9054630]

>>9054259
same

[Anonymous No.9054759]

>>9052646
This didn't happen

[Anonymous No.9054761]

>>9054759
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.9054783]

>>9054761
Miyamoto is a grown man with a job hed never do that at 22. In fact I use to talk to him way back in the day and still have his home phone. I'll call him hold on yeah he said none of that's true and you're a fag

[Anonymous No.9054790]

>>9054783
Then explain this picture:>>9052646

[Anonymous No.9054792]

>>9054790
That's an e3 where he's promoting his game retard

[Anonymous No.9054793]

>>9054240
The way people under those videos still lick the turds out her arsehole and find any excuse for plagiarism is so funny to me. Why even bother working hard to put your art out into the world when some thief will get as much if not more credit for it? It always makes me think of The Recognitions where this guy does art forgery in the style of the Old Masters and signs them in their name, then gets a guilty conscience and tries to tell everyone what he's doing. But they won't listen to him because they want to believe

[Anonymous No.9054810]

>>9054793
Yokko kanno literally made amazing music for some of the best anime of all time though. What are you even talking about . Literally every single artist 'plagarises ' to some degree. Id love to see your thoughts on sampling and beats. Retard.

[Anonymous No.9054815]

>>9054810
There's the excuses again. Here's what I always say to apologists like you: if it's so easy to write original music, why don't you do it for us right now? Dickhead.

[Anonymous No.9054820]

>>9054815
What are you talking about? Your post is a total non sequitur. I never argued original music is easy.

[Anonymous No.9054914]

>>9054240
Shows that time and place means more than originality or skill. There would be nothing more torturous to creators than there being an actual afterlife and seeing everyone enjoy your work but someone else is thought of as the originator.

[Anonymous No.9054941]

>template bait thread about copying other peoples shit for (You)s
poetic

[Anonymous No.9054973]

>>9052582
U mad Chang?

[Anonymous No.9054983]

japapologists get the rope

[Anonymous No.9055006]

>>9054810
What these people don't understand is that there's a line between blatant plagiarism and derivative works. Star Wars famously lifted its structure from The Hidden Fortress, Kurosawa transported Shakespearean into Jidaigeki, the Bard himself was inspired by classical authors like Plutarch, Ovid, Seneca, etc. If such things were forbidden, we'd be staring at cuneiforms of Uruk kings.

[Anonymous No.9055010]

>ohhh husbando… you copy video game idea, now we no ronger homeress

[Anonymous No.9055020]

>Hydlide
wtf even the same enemies?
https://youtu.be/LgFtO1FCSko

[Anonymous No.9055072]

>>9055006
>If such things were forbidden, we'd be staring at cuneiforms of Uruk kings
That sounds awesome.

[Anonymous No.9055080]

>>9055010
Ok that one got me

[Anonymous No.9055092]

>>9054261
What isn't fair?

[Anonymous No.9055756]

>>9055006
>we'd be staring at cuneiforms of Uruk kings
VGH, the cuneiform of Sumer...

[Anonymous No.9055759]

Let’s be real, nobody gives a fuck about Ultima aside from decrepit nerds

[Anonymous No.9055778]

>>9055092
Having a forest to explore

[Anonymous No.9055862]

These threads keep popping up from time to time. I'm beginning to thing they're all made by one guy who grew up thinking that Nintendo did everything first and is now having a mental breakdown that a hobby that was seen as a disposable fad even in the Japan during the 80s was using samples, riffs, and remakes of pre-existing media to make games.

This song was going to be the Legend of Zelda theme, but it wasn't going to enter into public domain until after their Christmas launch window, so they bullshat another song in a single afternoon.
https://youtu.be/r30D3SW4OVw

[Anonymous No.9055876]

>>9055862
That's a damn nice song. Reminds me of Zelda, Dragon Quest and Ghibli anime

[Anonymous No.9057886]

>>9052529
Why are you allowed to have nostalgia and play retro games and others can't romanticize and exaggerate their past experiences?

[Anonymous No.9058005]

>>9055862
Nintendo's biggest haters are people who've been left embittered by the company. Just look at /vp/

[Anonymous No.9058031]

>>9053185
good comment.

[Anonymous No.9058037]

>>9055862
I think the sampling and lifting riffs is honestly neat, gives insight into the composer’s musical taste

[Anonymous No.9058067]

>>9055759
Where do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.9058194]

>>9053635
Zelda 1 was fucking trash. Times of Lore, Willow, Crystalis, and Faxanadu were a lot less boring.

[Anonymous No.9058220]

>>9057886
>picrel
topkek

[Anonymous No.9058443]

>>9052646
i'm 24, have a job and gf and am decently well adjusted, and i do this whenever i'm in the woods

[Anonymous No.9058480]

>>9058194
Dumb hipster

[Anonymous No.9058557]

>>9054240
>>9054793
>rolling stones invented the generic blues-rock progression
>techno was invented for the matrix
absolute retardary. the spergs who throw tantrums over this shit don't even like or listen to music to begin with.

[Anonymous No.9058569]

>>9052537
This should have been the OP

[Anonymous No.9058669]

>>9058443
I'm 29 have none of those things have never even seen woods in my life have never explored anything and am too socially scared to ever swing a stick like a sword
Coincidence?

[Anonymous No.9058856]

“Yes, I came up with the idea for Pac-Man after looking at a pizza haha aren’t I creative?”
“Oh just ignore the fact that the Japanese version of Mr. Mouth was called “pakkuman” and came out 4 years before Pac-Man”

[Anonymous No.9058861]

>>9058557
Not him but you're an idiot man. That's not what he said. There's a difference between that stuff and yoko kanno clearly and obviously plagiarizing.

[Anonymous No.9058961]

>>9054240
Here's some plagiarism that's more /vr/ related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ0U9C6lxas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6MSnZdFmkE

>>9055006
And Ovid and Seneca in turn based their work on earlier Greek stories. However there's a big difference between a writer using familiar legends and situations as a framework to play with different ideas and styles and a composer using a melody and arrangement almost identical to another piece.

[Anonymous No.9058970]

>>9052537
Did he have bug fighting competitions?

[Anonymous No.9058973]

>>9052529
And how did the Ultima/Hydlide creators come up with their game?

[Anonymous No.9058974]

>>9058973
They read Tolkien's works.

[Anonymous No.9058982]

>>9052582
Pretty much this. Weiboos can't handle the constant borderline plagiarism within Japanese media. It is really the foundation of all mass media, anyone over 30 can see this. Try adding some silent films to your media consumption. You will be suprised how media is recycled decade after decade. And no, Japs aren't exempt from this.

[Anonymous No.9058985]

>>9058973
Hydlide was an Ultima clone.
Ultima was literally Lord British's D&D campaign from his days in college made into a single player computer game,

[Anonymous No.9059000]

>>9058985
Yes & yes. May as well just throw Record Of Lodus War in the mix. Why, you ask? Because they jumped in on the Hobbits, Wizards and DnD fads, honestly. They honestly were recording & retelling their DnD campaign, no one denied it. They played DnD, made a story, told it.

[Anonymous No.9059002]

>Every plagiarism accusation devolves into 'well what is original really?'
No but guys this is actual plagiarism.

[Anonymous No.9059017]

>>9059002
Is it? Like, could "This generic fantasy game is too similar to my generic fantasy game" actually stand up in court? I've played all three of those games and literally the only thing they share is that they're fantasy games. Combat is completely different, as is their approach to puzzle solving and item usage. They even control differently.

[Anonymous No.9059020]

>>9059017
What the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.9059560]

>>9052565
Yeah true.

[Anonymous No.9059584]

>>9058557
Music is the one and only field where people have this hazy "bro it's just like... vibes man you gotta feel it bro I'm just out there plucking ideas from the aether and I'm samplin' 'n' sheeit" attitude I have no idea why. It's not even tolerated in other creative fields like literature or the visual arts, it's only music where people devalue the talent and hard work of others and think it's fine to steal shit and slap your name on it

[Anonymous No.9059586]

>>9059002
>>9059017
Warren Spector has no problem saying he made Deus Ex because he thought Thief had too much mandatory sneaking in it. And you can respect that.

Being inspired by something else and copying a lot from it isn't a problem, it's lying about it that is the problem.

[Anonymous No.9059595]

>>9053017
>Dungeons and Dragons was inspired by Lord of the Rings
actually it was inspired by theosophy, the satanic panic people had it right

[Anonymous No.9059602]

>>9059584
Crafting tunes is easier said than done.

[Anonymous No.9059606]

>>9053185
Have you ever played Sweet Home? Fujiwara is full of shit.

[Anonymous No.9059618]

>>9054810
>>Yokko kanno literally made amazing music
she literally heard someone elses song, copied the instruments, composition, drums, sounds, mixing, notes, chord progressions, tempo and overall feel. she doesnt get full credit for making derivative covers

[Anonymous No.9059623]

>>9059584
because people didnt want to crucify led zeppelin and rolling stones for their spin on the blues and taking their songs. then people didnt want to admit their guilty pleasure rap songs arent just slowed down loops of disco/funk songs. pop fans dont even give a shit. its really the critics and fans fault for accepting it.

[Anonymous No.9059668]

>>9058982
And there really isnt anything wrong with this. If it's good, its good.
Just look at Virtual Hydlide. Would you really rather have THAT because its an "original game" than Ocarina of Time?

This shit literally doesnt matter, theres not a single person who would benefit from "truly original media".

[Anonymous No.9059673]

>>9059668
>theres not a single person who would benefit from "truly original media"
original media is how you get the basis of a new franchise/engine/gameplay model/ideas. its how everything started. wtf is that retarded statement supposed to mean

[Anonymous No.9059681]

>>9059673
But that's wrong. Original media is how you get chalkboard scaping and gore screams considered music and glueing staples to your face is art.

[Anonymous No.9059892]

>>9058961
I wasn't talking about music because music has less margin for originality than literature, theatre, cinema or video games. I'm more curious about what sort of treatment do you think that should be done to artists who plagiarize? Do you want to remove any music from Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, GitS:SAC that Kanno plagiarizes and replace them with the original? How about Shiggy and Zelda?

[Anonymous No.9059902]

>>9059681
>cherry picking the worst examples to make a point
you can also get growth, originality, and material for later generations. discarding 'truly original media' just because its original would be retarded

[Anonymous No.9059904]

>>9059618
That's how music works.

[Anonymous No.9059916]

>>9052529
This nigga's hobby is guessing how big things are from a distance, then measuring them with a tape measure to see how close he was, and you're telling me you trust a single thing he says?

[Anonymous No.9059919]

>>9059904
no its not. you dont copy everything from a song, from top to bottom and act like its yours. she even took cadences for the hooks lmao

[Anonymous No.9060056]

>>9059586
I don't think Miyamoto has ever said that he literally walked into the office of Nintendo one day with his "cave behind my parents' house" story and made Zelda with his own two hands; never acknowledging that there could have been any other source of inspiration that it could have come from.

The fact that all fantasy games at the time drew their inspiration from Ultima is literally just a given. Its not something anyone has to outright acknowledge. Again; its this weird assumption that Nintendo themselves claims that they wholesale invented every single genre convention that Americans seem to hold and then get autistic joy out of disproving.

[Anonymous No.9060060]

>>9059919
So did Elvis, but I don't see you getting made that literally every single one of his original hits before he got fat where stolen from black artists on labels that got no one outside their state every head.

[Anonymous No.9060063]

>>9052529
Sorry, zoomers. Myamoto invented video gaming and you just have to deal with that.

[Anonymous No.9060064]

>>9060060
>we wuz elvis n shiet

[Anonymous No.9060068]

>>9058005
/vp/ is a bit different because adult Pokemon fans literally can't understand that the games are meant to appeal to whoever is 10 years old in Japan the year it comes out.

[Anonymous No.9060071]

>>9060064
Glad you agree that Yoko Kanno didn't plagiarize anything. Most of the music she salvaged were from equally no-name losers whose music never reached anyone.

[Anonymous No.9060080]

>>9060071
she probably did i have no idea who you fags are talking about anyway. i just thought your rant about loving nigger cock was funny. bobby prince lifted metallica and pantera for doom and everyone knows this and doesnt care but your precious magical jap dindu nuffin.

[Anonymous No.9060101]

>>9060060
Elvis is a pretty dubious example to make your point. He was excoriated for appropriating Black music since he first walked into a recording booth. He also didn't try to obscure authorship of his songs - he was a standard cover artist or performer in a time when the singer-songwriter wasn't as popular as it is today.

My take is this: if you rip off a hook or something, but credit the source, it's morally poor form but at least you aren't telling lies. What Kanno does isn't even close to that. She lifts entire songs, pitch shifts them half a step, then tells interviewers that she doesn't really listen to music. Someone else in the thread mentioned RE1 - shamelessly lifted from the original AotD. Like, completely wholesale. Mikami and Fujiwara lied about it for years in interviews until Capcom presumably loosened the gag. If you're going to steal someone else's craft, have the decency to be honest about it. I don't understand how people defend lying.

[Anonymous No.9060130]

>>9060080
>not knowing that Elvis was more or less a cover artist in her early career
Yeah yeah, niggers are bad and whatever, but did you really not know that?

[Anonymous No.9060141]

>>9060101
As a big plunderphonics fan, I say fuck anyone who thinks their music can't be taken and made into something new by someone else. Most listeners don't give a shit, most musicians don't give a shit. If it had actually been that big of a deal for her to use this music, she would have been sued into oblivion ages ago and it wouldn't have taken until the 2020s for some random YouTube video from 2007 to have "ruined" Kanno in the eyes of so many weeaboos.

[Anonymous No.9060167]

>>9060060
>Bill Monroe and Carl Perkins were black

[Anonymous No.9060252]

>>9052537
<common
Are you trying to say come on? You realize "common" is already a word with a meaning, right?

[Anonymous No.9060295]

>>9052631
Ultima more limited than zelda?
Are you ok anon?

[Anonymous No.9060343]

>>9060068
Then why did they even have backwards compatibility in the first place? Someone can bring their Swampert they got in 2003 all the way to the Switch, you're telling me the games aren't meant for someone who was 10 back then?

[Anonymous No.9060345]

>>9060167
For some reason Christgau types like to ignore rockabilly artists. I’m not quite sure why

[Anonymous No.9060565]

>>9060068
>it's okay to scam people for years because they're 10
are you okay anon? and i ain't just talkin about the recent shit mind ya

[Anonymous No.9061084]

>>9060295
>turn and grid based movement
>very primitive graphics even compared to Zelda
>dungeons are just nondescript mazes

[Anonymous No.9061102]

>>9060068
They still can't comprehend it when looking at the responses.

[Anonymous No.9061621]

>>9052529
Zelda is way more engaging and explorable than Hydlide. Nobody ever said Shiggy invented video games but the improvements he made on them were significant.

[Anonymous No.9061627]

How do I go into the woods with a stick sword and have zelda adventures as a 29 year old single virgin man

[Anonymous No.9061635]

>>9052529
Japan is basically China but better at copying.

[Anonymous No.9061735]

All are ripping off Adventure on the VCS, which was inspired by advent the text adventure. Video games are ripping off all the way, even Hal Lab and Satoru Iwata got started ripping off games for Commodore.

[Anonymous No.9061739]

>>9052646
>talks about child
>it does something uniquely child-like
>ends with disclosing child's age
>"He was twenty-two years old"
Don't know if the anecdote is real but this is an age-old stand-up comedy move.

[Anonymous No.9061749]

>>9052646
Maximum sperg-lord otaku.

[Anonymous No.9061772]

>>9061749
Sad life you have

[Anonymous No.9061814]

[Anonymous No.9061882]

>>9052529
Didn’t he also recently admit that the story that, “I came up with the idea for Pikmin when I was in my backyard doing some gardening…” was a marketing lie?

[Anonymous No.9061906]

>>9052582
Tell that to Inafune San.

[Anonymous No.9061961]

>>9052968
Wrong and wrong, but here's a (You) for effort.

[Anonymous No.9061994]

>>9061882
Pikmin evolved from a tech demo with hundreds of Marios.

[Anonymous No.9062063]

>>9054240
Not only is she a plagiarist fraud thief, she also is a terrible composer. Her music and the songs she ripped off are hot garbage.

[Anonymous No.9062132]

>>9059618
Cool
Somebody should file a copyright suit before the statute of limitations runs out. I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.9062182]

>>9052673
Kyoto is not nearly as urbanized.

[Anonymous No.9062364]

>>9053661
>Zelda 1 still plays well in terms of movement and combat
are you for real? it plays like fucking shit

[Anonymous No.9062419]

>>9059595
QRD?

[Anonymous No.9062440]

>>9059623
Do you have examples? You'd think plagiarism that bad would be common knowledge, like the Doom first level song being "Big Gun" by ACDC.
>>9061635
That's cherrypicked. Japan copied a lot of stuff during the industrialization and postwar eras, and now they have a market for vintage repro goods and clothing.
Are you telling me all Honda motorcycles based off Harleys? LMAO. But they make one Harley style motorcycle and it's "le unoriginal bugman".

[Anonymous No.9062449]

>>9058669
unironically don't be afraid to be yourself anon, even autists like us are loveable

[Anonymous No.9062487]

>>9054793
I guess I just don't follow chird progression enough or something because I can't even identify some of those songs as being in the same genre, much less one inspiring the other. Much less plagiarism

[Anonymous No.9062498]

>>9062364
Are you fucking serious? Compare it to Valkyrie no Bouken or Druaga. Actually no, you don't have to compare it to anything, it stands on its own and is not an 'at the time' type of game. It really does control well

[Anonymous No.9062549]

Why do jap developers and games trigger auster-kun so much?
you have reddit if you want to talk about your euro shit so much

[Anonymous No.9062578]

>>9062549
You're like the only one who uses that term on this whole board but you keep acting like its self explanatory but I never have any fucking clue who or what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.9062584]

>>9062578
OP

[Anonymous No.9062592]

>>9062584
Uh

[Anonymous No.9062707]

>>9052529
Maybe the art direction of an artist who talks about visual and sound impression of his games isn't about the gameplay paradigm anon

[Anonymous No.9062717]

>>9061635
>Seikima-II
kek
They're a much, much better band than Kiss, musically speaking.
Also Kiss' make up was inspired by kabuki, so...
Impressive someone actually took the time to make that collage, though.

[Anonymous No.9062803]

>>9058856
It was probably called Pakkuman for the same reason Pac-Man was called Pakkuman in Japan.
It's the sound for eating.

[Anonymous No.9062817]

>>9061635
This image has always been the epitome of cherrypicking.
About 80% is shit from when America was in Japan and importing their shit over, or is literally just a visual homage. The Solid Snake one isn't even right as well.

[Anonymous No.9062828]

>>9062817
yeah dood teh evul burgars forced glorious nipple to copy pre-war leica cameras and dutch picture books. please post the "it was all under license" cope next

[Anonymous No.9062836]

>>9062828
not that anon but he said 80%.
also nothing is truly original, you can probably trace back stuff to the american stuff as well, like the already mentioned Kiss makeup being actually lifted from Kabuki.

[Anonymous No.9062838]

>>9062828
Art imitates other art, and with imitations comes borerline plagarism. You have to cite fucking advertisements from that era, outdated tech from when Japan was just recovering from two nukes and the destruction of their current system, and manga nobody has fucking read, hell, some of that is partially lost media.
You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9062839]

>>9052531
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.9062850]

>>9062828
That Tezuka manga on the pic was literally a licensed adaptation

[Anonymous No.9062871]

>>9062836
yeah man i mean what is art really it's all just kind of like ideas floating out there what's really original y'know?
gas all weebs

[Anonymous No.9062893]

>>9062871
oh we were talking about art specifically?
well, electronic music wouldn't exist without Germany and Japan. Better call out all the burger musicians that dare to use electronic sounds!

[Anonymous No.9062904]

>>9062871
Fuck off americunt

[Anonymous No.9063032]

>>9052531
Basically this.

>>9061635
>Type 14 Nambu pistol
>copied from the Luger
No it's not you fucking retard lmao. Both have a short-recoil action, but similarities really end here, the Luger has an exposed toggle, with a 'shoulder' for the toggle lugs to roll against to break the toggle open when the barrel has recoiled far enough, while the Nambu has an enclosed bolt with a pivoting locking-block (aside from the enclosed part, more like the Mauser C96).

The Type 14 Nambu isn't a great pistol, it's janky, unreliable, and pretty modestly powered for its size, but it's no direct copy of any one pistol, in fact there's a number of design elements which you simply don't see anywhere else (mostly for good reasons). Its profile resembles the Luger, but so does the Lahti L-39 from Finland, which itself uses a diagonally sliding locking block, as compared to the Luger's toggle-lock 'knee-joint' or the Nambu's pivoting locking-block.
The diagonal/slanted grip with the action on top and an exposed barrel on the front is similar on all three of these pistols, but this is because that kind of 'layout' was seen as one of the ways to just do an automatic pistol at the time. You can just as well see it on less successful guns, many before the Nambu, like the Borchardt, the Adler, the Schwarzlose, as well as the moderately successful Webley, and completely obscure Maxim-Silverman.

Given the surface level comparison of these two pistols, it'd be interesting to see just which of the other physical objects there are actual direct functional/mechanical copies.

[Anonymous No.9063039]

>>9058194
Time of Lore, eh? Crystalis and Faxanadu (and Zelda II) are better than Zelda in a few ways but Zelda 1 is great, much better than those 3D pieces of shit that came later.

[Anonymous No.9063056]

>>9062440
>rock stars werent sued and forced to pay their blues influencers

https://variety.com/2000/biz/news/court-rules-stones-stole-from-johnson-1117783132/

https://www.loudersound.com/features/how-the-blues-was-stolen

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/led-zeppelins-10-boldest-rip-offs-223419/

theres more but fuck you, look them up

>rap is different, its all about trap and muh chops!
when rap was worldwide in the 80s and 90s it was all loops that were slowed down. james brown, funk, disco, soul, etc. I can see that you dont know shit, so look it up

[Anonymous No.9064519]

bump

[Anonymous No.9064523]

>>9063032
That was a lot of words to say nothing substantive

[Anonymous No.9064529]

>>9054792
It's clearly an homage to his roots when he was 22 and swinging his sticks in the woods before he made it. By the way, You know, you don't HAVE to go on stage with a sword and shield to promote your game. Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.9064539]

>>9064529
1. he never did that at 22 and you have zero proof
2. he was promoting a version of the game that had 1:1 motion control. so yes bringing a sword on stage and swinging it very close to the noses of games journalists is appropriate

[Anonymous No.9064540]

>>9059584
>not even tolerated in other creative fields like literature or the visual arts

This entire thread is about how someone thinks people tolerate Miyamoto plagiarizing games.

[Anonymous No.9064542]

>>9064539
>>9064529
wasn't that for twilight princess

[Anonymous No.9064891]

>>9061814
Imagine if he was actually this based

[Anonymous No.9065267]

>>9052529
Is this the power of a boomer childhood?

[Anonymous No.9065881]

>>9052537
speaking of pokemon
>predates Pokemon gameplay

[Anonymous No.9065887]

>>9052537
Him liking fucking trees doesn't change how strikingly similar the first zelda game is to ultima.

[Anonymous No.9065912]

>>9064523
I'm right, the comparison is wrong, you're a bitchnigger.

[Anonymous No.9065921]

>>9064539
>1. he never did that at 22 and you have zero proof
you have zero proof and youre a liar because you want to deny it

[Anonymous No.9065943]

>>9065921
Burden of proof is on you

[Anonymous No.9065948]

>>9065943
>he never did that
>zero proof given
looks like you lost again.

[Anonymous No.9066071]

>>9065881
>even looks like Ken Sugimoris artstyle

hang on a minu-

[Anonymous No.9066075]

>>9052646
OH MY HEKKIN GODERINO

HE'S A SILLY GAMER ENTHUSIAST LIKE ME
JUST LIKE ME

OH GEE WILLIKCERS
BRB, BASED MIYAMOTO JUST GOT ME TO BUY ANOTHER ZELDA GAME. NOW I CAN BE CRINGELORD IN PUBLIC AND DAB ON ALL THE HATERS

[Anonymous No.9066081]

>>9052531
>>9052537
based

[Anonymous No.9066083]

>>9052529
>literally any Japanese dev with integrity always goes out of their way to talk about the games they were inspired by

>everyone
>except this guy

[Anonymous No.9066385]

>>9052529
Why can't both be true? He did like going to explore and previous games did a good starting point to give his idea form as reference.

[Anonymous No.9066405]

>>9060056
He actually pitched the game as a scifi fantasy game with time travel but after the time travel mechanic was a bust, Takashi Tezuka was the one who brought up the idea of making it a high fantasy game instead, as he was reading TLotR at the time. Miyamoto agreed, he just wanted to plan the exploration and secrets aspect of it alongside the programmers, Tezuka direct and coordinate it's implementation and a toei writer pitched the actual game story (whose original title was Death Mountain, since that's our goal) using the elements already planned (Link, Ganon and Zelda).

[Anonymous No.9066452]

>>9066083
cause he doesnt play games

[Anonymous No.9066456]

>>9065948
>
you're the one who made the claim buddy

[Anonymous No.9066461]

>>9066456
I ain't your buddy, guy.

[Anonymous No.9066518]

why do people care about plagiarism anyway, real or imagined
it's not like it gets rid of the actual thing
i mean people bitch about like let's say, not being able to change politics for instance but then they put effort into complaining about the dumbest shit, it's more like they're not willing to

[Anonymous No.9066632]

>>9052529
>People can't have multiple inspirations

[Anonymous No.9066638]

Honestly surprised /v/intendogaf even let this thread stay up

[Anonymous No.9066805]

>>9062817
Someone once said that some or many of those products were licensed to Japan under new names.

[Anonymous No.9066884]

>>9064539
Didn't anon prove it with his direct quote from Mitsubishi Kun himself!? I think that's proof enough that he used to have a fucking cracking time swinging swords around in the woods while making lightsaber noises at the young age of 38, don't you?

[Anonymous No.9066890]

japs always get a free pass for weebs

if they started making games with ugly women tomorrow weebs would find a way to rationalize it as a good thing

[Anonymous No.9066892]

>>9062871
Prettu much all American art that uses anything from Europe is a direct rip off then. That includes their entire national language, their declaration of indpendence (direct derivative of documents from the Scottish enlightenment), stealing sheep shagging from the Welsh but just changing it to dog fucking, every single photographer, every single painter, every single musician, every single filmmaker.
GIVE IT BACK, BURGER! GIVE IT BACK

[Anonymous No.9066896]

>>9052529
I always knew he was a liar, all the praise he gets is undeserved, everyone around him is the talent.

[Anonymous No.9066897]

>>9066890
That's just really the standard for any hypocrite though.
>americans committing genocide and rampant ip theft? absolutely fine! china? REEEEEEEEE
>brits enslaving the majority of the world and killing millions off in the most horrific way possible? THE GLORIOUS EMPIRE. america has a slave trade? FUCKING RACISTS
It happens for everyone.

[Anonymous No.9066906]

>king kong rip off
>new donk city
>pauline
>top of the building
what more proof do you need? plagimoto is a hack

[Anonymous No.9066910]

>>9066897
Britain ended slavery in most of the world

[Anonymous No.9066915]

>>9066910
We also had a big part to play in propagating a lot of it in the first place. But this isn't /vr/ material.

[Anonymous No.9067226]

>>9066906
Get back in your grave, Sheinberg.

[Anonymous No.9067238]

>>9052531
fpbp
butcher all zoomers

[Anonymous No.9067265]

yes, then you have pseuds like pic related jerking off to moyomoto meanwhile they have never played a videogame from before 1995 and acting pretentious because of it

[Anonymous No.9067284]

Zelda 2 is better. Plebs don't understand.

[Anonymous No.9067324]

>>9059584
The idea that you own the art that you make and can legally protect it is relatively recent. Meanwhile "plagiarizing" music goes back centuries, it's how many songs were even preserved. So there's a lot more leniency given.

[Anonymous No.9067375]

>>9062828
Speaking of Dutch picture books, does anyone have the one that has the Japanese saying 'I ain't reading that shit' to other stories like Huckleberry Finn or Tom Sawyer, and then they 'uohhhhhhhhh' at Alice in Wonderland?

[Anonymous No.9068441]

>>9067265
who the hell is this guy and why should I care?

[Anonymous No.9068445]

>>9067265
don't forget
>transsexual
>/v/tard

[Anonymous No.9068464]

>>9068445
Matthewmatosis is a fucking tranny?

[Anonymous No.9068475]

>>9052529
>obviously copy Hydlide/Ultima
Has anyone mentioned Alcazar: The Forgotten Fortress (1985) yet? No? Nobody. Alright then.

[Anonymous No.9068740]

>>9052529
So what? Both of those things can be true, you idiotic retard. I swear, zoomers are the dumbest fucking people. They can literally only think in extremes. Everything must be ALL ONE THING or ALL OTHER THING. They are utterly incapable of comprehending nuance, complexity, or intermingling ideas and influences. It's no wonder there's so much political polarization among these insipid morons.

[Anonymous No.9068746]

>>9068740
says the mong polarized to hate a generation based off some dumbasses

[Anonymous No.9068752]

>>9068746
>gets his idiot zoomer opinions criticized
>"REEE STOP HATING ME FOR BEING AN INSIPID MORON"
nah
also zoomer is a state of mind dumbfuck
i don't care if you're 35, you still act like a mentally incompetent retard

[Anonymous No.9068759]

>>9052529
Cancel Shigeru

[Anonymous No.9068765]

>>9052531
this

[Anonymous No.9068771]

>>9062419
why are you even asking you gullible fucktard

[Anonymous No.9070586]

>>9052582
kek, how's that economy going

[Anonymous No.9070598]

>>9067265
> they have never played a videogame from before 1995
That guy has definitely played more classic video games than your average /vr/ poster

[Anonymous No.9070607]

>>9068752
>dumbass can't count ips
i think op's a retarded fag but, believe it or not, so are you

[Anonymous No.9070773]

>>9057886
>>9061814
ayy rmao