/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9039579]

Hey /vr/ turns out you can just leave your consoles out in the sun for like 3 hours and the yellowing starts to clear. Pavement is from last night, counter top is from today. Was hoping to hit it with more sun but the difference is there. Anyway happy retro gaming

[Anonymous No.9039580]

Before obviously

[Anonymous No.9039585]

>>9039579
>>9039580
Yeah, we literally had a thread about this a few days ago.

>>9025284
>>/vr/thread/S9025284

It's so counterintuitive, people just don't try it since they think it's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9039612]

>>9039579
Nice try, not falling for it

[Anonymous No.9039615]

>>9039612
fall for me instead.

[Anonymous No.9039621]

Why are people so obsessed with the yellowing of the plastic? Does it actually alter any functionality in the console or it's pure aesthetic?
I don't own a NES, but I have a SNES and a white Saturn and, while the SNES didn't get yellow, my Saturn is, and I don't think it looks bad. If anything, it adds a certain mystique to it, like the yellowed pages of an old 1st edition book.
I would be bothered if it meant it breaks or somehow alters the actual functionality of the system, but, as is, I don't really see any issue and I'm puzzled as to why people get so crazy about this to the point of performing gore shit to their old systems.

[Anonymous No.9039624]

>>9039621
Aesthetic. Having a piece of dark brown plastic under your TV is just a eyescore.

[Anonymous No.9039627]

>>9039621
>putting the plastic into the sun for a few hours is gore shit
lol?

[Anonymous No.9039646]

>>9039624
>dark brown
Wait so now it's dark brown? I thought it was more like very light yellow.
Anyway, I still don't get it. I still keep my old computers with their original cases and all, my old 286, 386, 486... and they all have yellowed plastic. It just adds to their history. It's old plastic, you can tell it's not brand-new, but it's not broken or rotten.

[Anonymous No.9039651]

>>9039615
I fell for the John Deere

[Anonymous No.9039657]

>>9039646
>Wait so now it's dark brown? I thought it was more like very light yellow.
Depends on the plastic mixture, literally shit piss dark brown-yellow is what some turn.

>I still keep my old computers with their original cases and all, my old 286, 386, 486... and they all have yellowed plastic. It just adds to their history.
Mine just were kept well and never yellowed in the first place. What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.9039658]

>>9039585
>It's so counterintuitive
Retards never heard of sun-bleaching?

[Anonymous No.9039659]

>>9039658
is that anything like anus bleaching?

[Anonymous No.9039668]

>>9039658
It's because Sun is the thing that turned the plastics yellow in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9039676]

>>9039657
>shit piss dark brown-yellow is what some turn.
well since we're going scatological, did you know shit turns white when it decomposes? So white plastic would be like old shit, ha ha.
No, really, I don't see the issue. I guess it's a preference thing, but still weird to me how it's an actual "problem" for some people.
Do book enthusiasts try to bleach the pages of old books, too?

[Anonymous No.9039685]

>>9039676
It's because those consoles are part of your furniture when you use them in your living room, etc.
I for example try to always keep a pleasant color scheme without shit sticking out, like actual brown turds.

>Do book enthusiasts try to bleach the pages of old books, too?
For a second I thought you might have Aspergers but an autistic person wouldn't do such a bad analogy.

[Anonymous No.9039686]

>>9039685
>like actual brown turds.
yeah but then it's like actual old white turds... again, if you want to go purely scatologic.

[Anonymous No.9039708]

>>9039676
>>9039686
I've seen 15+ year old turds in abandoned houses, they were still brown, so I'll stick with my own definitions.

[Anonymous No.9039719]

>>9039668
wrong, it's the natural oxidation of the plastic
my dad's house has one of those security-panel things in the basement, in a spot where sunlight never reaches it, and it's still yellowed as fuck

[Anonymous No.9039735]

>>9039719
Why are the things always yellowed from the side the sun shined on them then?
Heat plays a role too, might be heat. Not saying oxidation doesn't do anything but it barely makes a difference.

I've seen plenty of office setups with two CRTs next to each other, same model, same mark. One is entirely fine, almost new looking, the other one too, but only on one side, with the other side being entirely yellowed thanks to being on the side where it gets a couple hours of direct sunlight every afternoon.

[Anonymous No.9039768]

>>9039735
It's because they're being hit with sunlight from through a window, glass filters out some sunlight which is what causes the staining.

[Anonymous No.9039772]

>>9039708
just google "white turds". It's shit, just white shit.
I think it also happens when there's some illness involved, but I did see old shit turn white over time too.

[Anonymous No.9039808]

>>9039768
Exactly, it's the light doing it. But it's also the light that fixes it.

[Anonymous No.9039810]

>>9039579
Yeah, I know.

[Anonymous No.9039938]

>>9039585
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P1OVj0IcqY
Alright, I'm sold. I got a keyboard in a very sorry state and frankly, I'd rather give that method a try before soaking it all in bleach, probably losing the prints and damaging the plastic... I've got an old box of floppy disks somewhere that I left too long near a window and a face of the box is completely white: all the ink has faded away. So sure, why not, maybe it'll fix the yellowing problem on plastic.

[Anonymous No.9039947]

>>9039938
The difference here would be a controlled amount of sunlight exposure to the plastic you seek to whiten. Too much sun will rot any plastic.

[Anonymous No.9039976]

The yellowing of plastic is exactly the same color as cigarette smoke stains on white walls, which looks like dirt and grime. People want to clean that off because it looks unclean.

[Anonymous No.9039996]

Another thing you can do if you wanna do more mass restorations is you can take a tote and line it with UV lights, and then get a temperature sensor/heating element. One from a fish tank will work fine, it's like 11 bucks. Finally, get a smaller container and fill it with Hydrogen peroxide. Disassemble the console to be oxidized, submerge in peroxide, place into tote with heating element on and UV lights on. Seal with the tote lide, leave alone for a day or two. This does what sunlight does except unlike Retrobright or Sunlight, this will not yellow back quickly. This basically undoes the entirety of aging that happens to it. Don't get me wrong, it will happen again, but it turns back the clock on the plastic very effectively.

The only catch is you have to be comfortable with disassembly of your console, and some people are not.

[Anonymous No.9040001]

>>9039938
You don't need to use bleach to do chemical "retrobrighting".
I recommend the Sun only method though, rotate it from time to time yourself or get a motorized lazy susan. Couple days should fix it right up.

[Anonymous No.9040005]

>>9039976
I don't think there's a point in trying to explain it. Anon literally fetisheies about excrament and googles pictures of white poop...

[Anonymous No.9040014]

>>9039996
That is the standard method known as "retrobright". UV light and heat with hydrogen peroxide is the same, some just use heat and UV from the sun, others build enclosures.
Properly done chemical "retrobright" will last a long time, I still have plastics from 2016 that look like new.

[Anonymous No.9040092]

>>9040001
What I meant was: "I initially intended to use bleach but postponed it because I knew it would fuck the prints up". The video in the archived thread only covers sun bleaching and that's indeed what I intend to try. The keyboard was purchased as part of a lot (mostly cables) so I don't really care whether it gets damaged or not... but if the method works, I'll probably disassemble my old NES and give it a go.

[Anonymous No.9040096]

>>9040092
NES plastics should work well with this method, good luck.

[Anonymous No.9040107]

>>9040014
Yeah, it basically is, with one key difference. A container of namebrand retrobright is like twenty bucks on amazon. A big container of 3% peroxide is two bucks and will do the exact same thing. Just a little advice to same some cash for some anons.

[Anonymous No.9040119]

>>9040107
There's actually branded retrobright shit? I always bought 6% peroxide from hair saloons.

[Anonymous No.9040128]

>>9040119
I shit you not, there is and it's an overpriced small container of peroxide with a small amount of xanthum gum or some other stupid shit that you could easily do yourself if you were so inclined. Look at this shit. Fuck, you could probably do this with lemon juice if you really wanted to do that because no one doesn't have lemon juice usually. or peroxide, let's be honest here it's probably in your medicine cabinet right fucking now.

[Anonymous No.9040145]

>>9040128
Man now I feel dumb for not tapping into the retrobright market myself.

[Anonymous No.9040223]

>>9039621
some people don't like their consoles looking like someone peed on them

[Anonymous No.9040291]

These trolls always post the images in reverse. don't fall for them. They're trying to get you to expose even more light on your consoles to yellow them further.

[Anonymous No.9040305]

>>9040145
pffft, the new hot market is plastic sun tanning lotion

[Anonymous No.9040695]

>>9039579
Give me a time lapse video.
>>9039585
>It's so counterintuitive, people just don't try it since they think it's bullshit.
Not really, the sun bleaching is real.

[Anonymous No.9040706]

>>9040695
Yeah, but people think because the sun caused the yellowing, it would make it worse.

[Anonymous No.9041417]

>>9039938
Alright, I disassembled and cleaned the keyboard before putting it outside just a few minutes ago. The weather's fairly cloudy so I'm not expecting a huge difference, we'll see how that goes.

[Anonymous No.9042950]

>>9041417
Interested to see the results, good luck

[Anonymous No.9042983]

>>9039735
Again, I have plenty of things that have never been touched by sunlight due to being in a basement, and they're still yellowed. It's not always sunlight.

[Anonymous No.9043006]

>>9039579
You could just mix couple of egg whites and a half cup of fairy and wipe the unit with the liquid, then leave it outside in the sun.

[Anonymous No.9043010]

>>9042950
It didn't get much sun (only 4 hours before it started to rain again and it was cloudy) and the plastic is so brown it hardly shows any progress. I'll keep trying though.

[Anonymous No.9043013]

>>9042983
It's mostly sunlight though, anon is right
Sometimes it could be heat or just shit plastic though

[Anonymous No.9043017]

>>9043010
Unless it's just camera trickery, it does look slightly less yellow, plus the borders between yellow and less yellow are much lighter

[Anonymous No.9043050]

yup. this story broke a few years ago.
the only other place that compete with the strength of sunlight I get here would be australia

[Anonymous No.9043053]

>>9043050
I remember talking about this method around 2016 and nobody believed me.

[Anonymous No.9043059]

>>9043017
I really can't tell because there's a difference in lighting and contrast. First picture was taken around 2PM, second was taken around 6PM. I genuinely can't tell. It really sucks because we've had great weather for three weeks: hot, lots of sun, no clouds, dry. But for the past four days, it's been cloudy with occasional rain and it will last for at least two weeks... bad timing all around.

[Anonymous No.9043067]

>>9043053
I always picture brits or people in seattle trying it and concluding it doesn't work, lol.

[Anonymous No.9043069]

>>9043059
Kek same here, West Europe?

[Anonymous No.9043091]

>>9043069
...yeeah... Belgium.

[Anonymous No.9043096]

>>9039585
I thought the yellowing happens because of overexposure to sunlight, and you to use that retrobrite shit to reverse it

[Anonymous No.9043104]

>>9043091
Literally two hours from me
I wish it would rain more, I'm sick of the 35C+ days of last week

[Anonymous No.9043206]

>>9039808
The glass is filtering out the UV. The yellowing is probably solely due to heat. When an object is sitting in front of a window, it's getting warmed by the sunlight, but there's no UV getting through to counteract the yellowing.

I wonder if a UV lamp might work even better than the sun. Most of the UV light that makes it through the atmosphere is UVA, with the highest frequency UV (UVB and UVC) getting filtered, but you can get UV lamps that are used for disinfection that produce UVB and UVC. Has anyone done tests with these?

[Anonymous No.9043214]

>>9043206
Don't think so, I've seen the effect in places where sun heat is miniscule, i.e. hardware near windows in places consider polar. Specially since the glass reflects a lot of the heat too, the plastics would never get warmer than 2-3C over ambient in such cases, light material specially since they don't absorb well.

[Anonymous No.9043226]

>>9039621
autism is a helluva drug

[Anonymous No.9043371]

>>9039579
Be careful with this method, your shit can eventually re-yellow again and then become extremely brittle.

[Anonymous No.9043379]

>>9040223
>yellow = piss and only piss, can't be anything else
seek help

[Anonymous No.9043501]

Doesn't UV make plastic extremely brittle?

[Anonymous No.9043510]

>>9043371
Wrong method, anon.

[Anonymous No.9043513]

>>9043501
Long term exposure, yes. Not a few days. You'd need months.

[Anonymous No.9045634]

>>9039579
I would like to try that. How much is one of those turntables to keep an even exposure? How could I keep the kids from stealing or destroying the shells while it sits in the sunlight?

[Anonymous No.9045674]

>>9045634
Throw it into a oven and jump after it faggot

[Anonymous No.9045961]

>>9039621
The yellowed plastic is more brittle and can break much easier.

[Anonymous No.9045987]

>>9043206
this isn't true, it's from a specific type of plastic from that era that was prone to it as it aged, that's why late gen super nintendos don't yellow

[Anonymous No.9046013]

>>9045987
It's due to the specific type of fire retardant chemicals added to the plastic. We know these don't yellow solely from age because sections of the plastic not exposed to sunlight don't yellow. Whether or not it's the heat, or some other property of the light is debatable.

[Anonymous No.9047468]

Tiny update on the brown keyboard sun-bleaching situation: very few clouds today, very warm, lots of sun, stayed outside for 6 hours. Right off the bat, let me confirm that the pictures are crap (the camera adjusts colors and contrast automatically and it looks like there's less and less contrast with each picture I post), but in real-life I noticed an improvement, especially on the top cover: the pencil grove (above the the 1st row of keys) had a yellow tint that is now entirely gone. I butchered the sun exposure for the keys, which is actually interesting because I can notice a difference between the surfaces that received plenty of sun (top of the key) and the surfaces that didn't (the edges, which look much darker, yet better than what they used to).

That said, I think the pink sticker in the back ("S QC OK") suffered from the exposure... but it's red ink, so it was expected.

[Anonymous No.9047501]

>>9047468
Yeah I can easily tell an improvement even on the pictures. A couple more days and it should be golden.
You might want to cover up parts you don't want to get sun bleached by masking tape or black electrical.

[Anonymous No.9047595]

>>9047468
thanks for your updates im enjoying them

[Anonymous No.9047645]

>>9043096
it does. these people are fucking idiots giving it the peroxide treatment is good for the plastic your forcing it into its original state (if anything its being made stronger as it gets closer to its original state) what sticking it in the sun does is force the chemical reaction so the plastic is completely stripped of bromine. actually weakening it.

[Anonymous No.9047668]

>>9047645
you don't know that
no chemist has ever sufficiently described what chemical reaction is actually occurring, other than random people saying "brominated flame retardant" which isn't a reaction

[Anonymous No.9047682]

>>9047668
It's not even related to bromine, we know that as a fact.
No idea why people still parrot the bromine thing.

[Anonymous No.9047687]

>>9047668
your forcing the bromine bonds back into the ABS with a peroxide solution. putting it in the sun is causing the plastic to give up its bromine. its pretty fucking simple chemistry you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.9047691]

>>9047682
because bromine was a fire retardant and the reason it turns yellow you stupid fucking nigger. no idea why youre even on this board spreading your idiocy, if you dont know just shut the fuck up faggot

[Anonymous No.9047692]

>>9047691
lmao stfu

[Anonymous No.9047697]

>>9047691
Kek why are you literally parroting something that you have zero idea about?
If you actually read all the posts, one of the first posts links to a thread that has links in it that explain it all, even on a chemical level. There's no bromine related to yellowing, stop with this old, misunderstood explanation from literally years ago.

[Anonymous No.9047698]

>>9047687
Why should we trust someone who doesn't know how to spell or use punctuation to know anything about chemistry?

[Anonymous No.9047707]

>>9047697
your source is another fucking idiots thread we already debunked. yes go ahead and link me that morons blog again too since youre that fucking stupid.

>>9047698
i didnt spell anything wrong though double nigger

[Anonymous No.9047708]

>>9047707
>your source is another fucking idiots thread we already debunked.
Kek link me up, since I was in that thread and you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.9047715]

>>9047707
>noo my racist slurs will show you
Pathetic faggot

[Anonymous No.9047723]

>>9047687
dunning-kreuger in action folks
witness it

[Anonymous No.9047728]

>>9047708
so you were in there with everyone saying how retarded it was someone even making the comparison between it and growing crystals 4chan troll and you still are trying to push that bullshit. it never caught on further than that retards blog because its bullshit. you really are fucking retarded.
>>9047715
maybe reddit is more your speed champ. your ebig troll can get massive upboats as everyone destroys their consoles with oxidation.

[Anonymous No.9047731]

Oh you're actually just shitposting, I bet you're the one who posts "don't do this they want you to make your plastics even more yellow" posts from the other thread too (and this one).

[Anonymous No.9047732]

>>9047731
>"don't do this they want you to make your plastics even more yellow"
lmfao

[Anonymous No.9047753]

>oxidation causes plastics to yellow
>peroxide reverses the oxidation process
>the sun speeds up the process
>sun oxidizes plastic to the point there is no flame retardant left
yeah you tards are sure the fuckin experts. sounds more like youre too fucking poor to afford hydrogen peroxide.

[Anonymous No.9047761]

The yellowing was never related to bromine, the flame retardant. That's a very old misconception.
I'm not even going to (You) this post.

[Anonymous No.9047771]

>>9047761
where does this post say bromine? >>9047753.

[Anonymous No.9047784]

itt niggers who dont know what oxidation is.

[Anonymous No.9047791]

>>9047761
Duh, there's many plastics that didn't even have to adhere to fire retardant regulations and didn't use bromine and still yellowed
Only retards still think it was bromine

[Anonymous No.9047797]

>its oxidation not the bromine you stupid asshole
>the breaking of chemical bonds of the abs plastic creating bromine oxide has nothing to do with bromine
of course you stupid little niggers use some basedboy blog as your source. do you faggots even know what oxidation is. im just hoping people are seeing this and not destroying their consoles cause stuoid troll faggots dont even know what oxidation is. so if rust is iron oxide and rust is oxidation of iron, what is the oxidation of ABS treated with bromine? couldnt be bromine oxide on there because some idiots blog already established that was a misconception and were all stupid. but the only answer from the idiotic side is
>its not bromine
>source: trust me bro

[Anonymous No.9047806]

>it's bromine
>source: trust me bro
kek 0/10 try harder

[Anonymous No.9047810]

>>9047797
Are you the guy who advised to use hydrogen peroxide instead, which is a oxidizer?