/vr/ - Retro Games

The time has come

RIP, a law office is about to work on their fifth yacht.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'm just fucking pissed off they didn't use the beta super sonic theme, even though they are using a new track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8N45jG0BkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLtpZuJlOM

>>9033578
Man left the game industry so he's taking SEGA down with him, kek.
Anyhow, the replacement music Jun Senoue made sucks. He should be kept away from the Genesis soundchip. I know that shit can be modded out but damn. Should've just used the music from the leaked prototypes instead.

>>9033621
>He should be kept away from the Genesis soundchip.
Sonic 3D Blast is top-tier though

>>9033625
He's very much dulled with age seemingly. 3D Blast GEN was basically his first Sonic soundtrack which was fantastic but I guess now he's just way too use to real instruments to go back to FM Synth again and do it well.

>>9033578
SHAMONE

Does this mean Sonic 3 cart prices are going up cause all the MJ collectors gonna buy one?

>>9033696
HEE HEE

Regardless, I think this game is the prime example (though not only) of why licensed music is trash. Every GTA game has the same issue too.

OOOOOOOH SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET PAIDDD ROLL FOR SEGA BUTTFUCKED OUT OF THE GAMING INDUSTRY ENTIRELY LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO . TRIPS AND NO MORE SONIC GAMES RELEASED BY SEGA AFTER Frontiers

>>9033705
All the problems with licensed music are caused by devs being cheap and not wanting to pay for proper licenses.
There's some weird older games with licensed music still available today digitally with no alterations because they decided to spring for that extra long licensing period like Burnout 3. Meanwhile other games have been removed from sale just for having a single licensed song in the entire game.

>>9033578
we knew it already

>>9033705
It's not just video games. Cartoons like Captain N and Super Mario Bros. 3 had to have major soundtrack overhauls on DVD because of all the pop music they used.

>>9033715
It's understandable with older games and TV shows that couldn't foresee potential rereleases in other formats. But anything PS2 onward has little excuse for not building future releases into the license terms. Back with Sonic 3 it wasn't expected people would ever care to play these games again on later systems.

>>9033696
Nah, game is over 18 years old. No MJ fan wants it.

>>9033606
There's no actual proof that's the beta super sonic theme - everyone just assumed it was. Apparently according to some interviews it was actually meant as a bonus mode theme, which is exactly how it's used in Sonic Origins.
That said, this > origins super sonic music

>>9033895
Noice

>>9033578
>>9033708
guarantee Yuji will get either assassinated or arrested on false charges now that he is opposition to the ch*sen people's video game company

>>9033715
It's not a case of being cheap. The rights holder holds all the cards and it turns into a patience auction. When it comes to extending the rights, they have the other party by the balls and they know how much of a problem it will be if they just say "no". It's well established that music labels are greedy narcissists.

>>9033908
Agreed, it sounds more like the ending theme they would've used before they went with MJ's Strangers in Moscow for S3's credits roll instead.

>>9034102
Speaking of Strangers in Moscow, what music plays when you beat Sonic 3 solo in Origins?

>>9033715
Not quite retro but the only reason I bought "tatsunoko vs capcom" was for the nostalgia and sound track. Then I got it and was WTF?

Was anyone surprised Marble Garden wasn't worked on by Jackson?

>>9033578
>even though SEGA Official uses Michael Jackson's music.
What a weird sentence. I assume we can swap "even though" for "because"? But why did he say "SEGA Official" instead of just "SEGA"? Fucking drunk af washed out gamedev.

>>9034226

It's the name of sega's tiktok in Japan https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539897464274112512

He later claims he's being misunderstood, although it still sounds like he's confirming MJ's involvement in Sonic 3 https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539982336850157568

>>9034226

It's the name of sega's tiktok in Japan https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539897464274112512

He later claims he's being misunderstood,which is being interpreted as him retracting the statement. But it sounds like the misunderstanding is just a minor point about Sega management vs. Sega's social media, and that he's still confirming MJ worked on Sonic 3. https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539982336850157568

He also posted a helicopter shot of Neverland. https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539953249762979842

>>9033606
The Nu music sucks. Jun Senoue is a shitty composer thats been riding on the coat tales of other better sega composers for years. They need to hire somebody else who understands how to make good music. Sonic 4 is all the proof you need that sega is lazy and incompetent and will continue the cycle of shitty games. Only when they outsource fans do we get decent games like mania.

HEE HEE

Wait… the new music is the only option available? There isn’t an “classic mode” with the original music or something?
How can they go through the effort of making all these nice ports and still mess up something so basic.

>>9034315
Current year Sega is all about fucking everything they do up.

>Puyo Tetris 2
>PSO2 New Genesis
>Sanic Frontiers
>Yakuza JRPG
list goes on.

Sega should've died with the Dreamcast.

>>9034315
The Jackson/Brad Buxer tracks rights are finicky, Buxer had no idea his tracks were used in the released version (which is on him to have known, he was a collaborator FFS) and rumor has it he's pissy about it when fans began asking him and did research.

>>9033895
Kek

>>9033895

>>9034330
>Sega should've died with the Dreamcast.
Can't argue this.

Balamb in Wonderland was a good so bad it's good it's bad again game.

>>9034203
Yeah. Would've been epic if it turned out the best song in the game, Hydrocity Act 2, had been made by the legend himself. Of course, the song is simply too good to be an american creation.

Also, now that the whole truth is out, it means they actually did reuse a Michael Jackson song in a game which was not a re-release? Whoops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqCxMR-FHtU

Which songs exactly are presumed to be by MJ?

>>9034343
Yeah SEGA actually having an issue with releasing Sonic 3 unaltered coincidences pretty much exactly with when Buxter was first quizzed about it and subsequently released his back catalogue. From his perspective MJ 'quit' the project so he probably just assumed the work was scrapped. Between him and MJ's estate I doubt they can ever release the original again.

>>9034746
Carnival Night, Ice Cap, Launch Base, Sonic 3 credits, and the mini-boss/Knuckles themes.

>>9033592
>it's a mystery
>but Naka-san...
>it's. a. mystery.
kino

>>9033592
fake interview. He didn't talk about cars

Naka talked shit about Square Enix for ruining Balan WW
Now he's shit-talking Sega
The man is simply too based for this industry. That's why he's done and taking it all down with him

>>9034303
*hair catches on fire*

>>9033578
I thought everybody already knew this and that michael disowned it because the genesis chip couldn't make it sound good enough

>>9034330
>Sega should've died with the Dreamcast.

But then we wouldn't have gotten panzer dragoon Orta and VF5.

It was at the end of the 00s where they should've died.

>>9035643
*grabs crotch and thrusts*

>>9034772
>spend a billion zillion dollars to hire an over-rated pop star to help make your music
>he only makes a single good song
>it's just a 1:1 copy paste of a song you already had and isn't even original.
I wonder if it was worth it

>>9033698
I'm A BAD ASS INVINCIBLE MOTHER FUCKER, THAT'S RIGHT! KISS MA BAD SELF! OWW!

>>9033934
That's not how you spell "nonce".

>>9035740
Actually MJ loved Sega, he probably unironically did it for free, or a low symbolic amount of cash.

>>9035643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiPIK8j3jkI

>>9033578
>So Yuji Naka just casually confirmed the whole MJ in Sonic 3 thing

I think it was confirmed more or less that Michael was in-directly involved in composing part of the soundtrack. I think he had to bail for various reasons, but left his music team to finish the project for him. hence why people like Brad Buxtor is in the sonic 3 credits and a few other musicians who were generally not associated with video game music. Though Michael apparently dictated some of the beats/ melodies that would be in Sonic 3 to his team.

>>9033578
>So Yuji Naka just casually confirmed the whole MJ in Sonic 3 thing

I think it was confirmed more or less that Michael was in-directly involved in composing part of the soundtrack. I think he had to bail for various reasons, but left his music team to finish the project for him. hence why people like Brad Buxor is in the sonic 3 credits and a few other musicians who were generally not associated with video game music. Though Michael apparently dictated some of the beats/ melodies that would be in Sonic 3 to his team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwA9E-OTkbk

>>9035740
Sega never had money like that anon.

>>9035830
>Sonic 3

>>9034237
>He also posted a helicopter shot of Neverland
that's the best part

>>9033578
I think the main issue isn't so much the Jackson state but Brad Buxer. Stranger in Moscow and Jam are different enough from Staff Roll and Carnival Night to have some plausible deniability, but Ice Cap and Hard Times are 1:1 and Brad Buxer is still alive and well to actually get an attorney involved for decades of unpaid residuals. I don't know what sort of contract was involved but SEGA fucked up not securing anything and Buxer fucked up by not making sure if his work made it to the final game or not, and SEGA could've probably gotten away with it had their fanbase not been a bunch of extreme autismos who managed to track down Brad Buxer and made him aware of S3&K's final OST. Decades of residuals yo use the original music might be enough to bankrupt the company a second time unless SEGA and Buxer were to reach an agreement in the form of DLC similar to how Nocturne HD handled Dante.

>>9035858

Is it just Brad Buxor? ,Because there are other names on the Sonic 3 sound track too... like Douglas C. Grigsby III and Cirocco Jones who are also MJ collaborators as well.

>>9035865
He's the only one Sonic autismos and Pop Fiction managed to get ahold of. Cirocco Jones refused to comment and Grigsby never replied anything.

>>9035858
>Ice Cap and Hard Times are 1:1

'HOO!"
'HOO!"
It doesn't matter hos scratchy that sounds, you know it's MJ's voice sampled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBTAGVnfXAw

>>9035874
Nah it's just a the fat white guy who thinks he's the small black guy :^)

>>9035871
>>>9035865
>He's the only one Sonic autismos and Pop Fiction managed to get ahold of. Cirocco Jones refused to comment and Grigsby never replied anything.


Yeah, the other guys probably didn't care enough. never seen the Pop Fiction thing. I know it was a big deal when people brought up the Sonic 3 connection. When you piece it together, you can hear the MJ influence in the music. It seems to make the most sense that MJ may only have sent Sega/ his team cassette recordings of his voice making beats/ melodies/ beat boxing. And his collaborative team on this project did the rest. That seems the most likely.

Can I get a quick run down. I never really cared about sonic 3 because I hated the level layouts and graphic style change.

I always thought that michael jackson willingly helped out on sonic 3 music because he liked the series, but that is apparently not the case because they are trying to remove the music?

Whats the deal with the music? did they sample it illegally and just hiding the fact for as long as they can?

sonic has always been an ass series and flying battery zone had the only good music

>>9035876
>>>9035874 (You)
>Nah it's just a the fat white guy who thinks he's the small black guy :^)

It's almost like when Fox aired 'Do the Bartman' on the day that Michael Jackson died, and just basically said that Michael wrote the song 'Do the Bart Man' and it became a chart topping single for a little while. I was surprised, and not surprised at the same time. Maybe i didn't notice it when I was a kid, that kind of pop music was somewhat still around? But listening to it at an older age, It's just obvious now.

>>9033592
Based

>>9035883
Just watch your favourite e-celebs youtube explanation and treat them as facts, that's how /vr/ works nowadays.

>>9035994
Well yuji just confirmed said e-celeb "speculation". So get assblasted fart huffer.

I never knew this was considered speculation. I just thought MJ didn't want to be credited after his dissatisfaction with working with the Genesis hardware.

>>9035929
"Do the Bartman" is good when it's not rapping.

>>9034330
What's wrong with Puyo Tetris 2? I skipped it since it didn't seem much different from the first one which I own.

>>9035740
>an over-rated pop star

Probably the most famous musician of the last hundred years, and probably the last one that'll ever make that sort of global impact

>>9036204
It's PPT1 copypasted and made slightly worse due to shit additions and attempts to balance Puyo VS Tetris (which didn't work and only made the experience worse on both sides). It lacks staple Puyo game-modes that have been in previous titles, it took the spot of a 30th anniversary game and it has awful PPQ characters that look like fucking dogshit.

>>9036625
We talking about Freddie Mercury?

>>9035865
>Douglas C. Grigsby III

That's what happens, ask Michael if he wants to get involved, and then Michael gets his friends involved...

>>9036625
Sings, Dances, one man show. Best of the best. No one will ever compare, I think even just the conditions that created him don't exist anymore. Aside from his talent being rare. Fucking chad.

>>9035874
>It doesn't matter hos scratchy that sounds, you know it's MJ's voice sampled.


https://youtu.be/DqHstBgOxSQ?t=246

>>9036780

I forgot to add that I was always a bit disappointing that they replaced the mini-boss music in Sonic 3 with the Mini Boss music from Sonic and Knuckles when you lock the carts together.

https://youtu.be/dKOke84eztA?t=163

And then the Windows 95 PC release with its alternate tracks, which I actually did like some of them.

>>9035874
Sounds a bit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkRDIuknzQ

>>9036625
Elvis and Sinatra always mogged MJ, zoombie.

>>9036669
>Freddie Mercury
the gay icon faggot who died from aids? literally no one gives a fuck about him other than redditors

>>9033621
>Man left the game industry
No he didn't. He's making games on his own now. Literally coding shit himself. I played his mobile game (the one with dice) and it was actually pretty fun for waht it was.

>>9036002
>"Do the Bartman" is good when it's not rapping.

> "If you can do the Bart, you're bad like Michael Jackson!" (actual line from the song)

original unedited 4:3 music video here. I can only ever find the 16:9 crop on youtube; https://youtu.be/dKOke84eztA?t=163

>>9036002
>>>9035929 (You)
>"Do the Bartman" is good when it's not rapping.

> "If you can do the Bart, you're bad like Michael Jackson!" (actual line from the song)

original unedited 4:3 music video here. I can only ever find the 16:9 crop on youtube;

https://archive.org/details/Simpsons_Do_The_Bartman

>>9035882
Pop Fiction was a pretty good show on YouTube. It got axed when a parent company, I forgot which, got bought out. They made a successor show but I think it never caught on like Pop Fiction did. I guess by then DYKG was too well established.

>>9036830
>>9035882
>>9035871
Might as well post it:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFgnUa1v8uA

>>9036827
Look At All Those Idiots > Do the Bartman

>>9033578
no he fucked up and can't into english, he was referring to a shitty tiktok video

>>9036874
t. naka's lawyer

>>9036864
>Look At All Those Idiots > Do the Bartman

I loved that track. Deep Deep Trouble was written/ produced by Will Smith

>>9034772
Also Competition menu.
>>9034712
That may be partly why Sega can't acknowledge Pocket Adventure since it was barred from being mentioned in Encyclo-speed-ia.
>>9036874
Literally doesn't change anything. I think people understood what he meant by "SEGA Official" (the account); he was pointing out the hypocrisy of them posting a video with Sonic and MJ music despite changing the music in Sonic 3. Some idiots didn't understand what "SEGA Official" meant and so he clarified. What's so hard to understand about this?

>>9034712
>Pocket Adventure since it was barred from being mentioned in Encyclo-speed-ia.
Wait seriously? What the fuck is this franchise.

>>9034712
>too good to be an American creation
America > Japan in pretty much every single way. They've been copying us for 100 years. Cope, faggot.

reminder that Sonic Jam is still the best way to experience the real Sonic 3.

>>9037027
>CD loading times
Yeah, nah, fuck off Shiturn shill.

>>9037027
https://youtu.be/2c7CKZ6G5k8?t=100
https://youtu.be/JhExIWa0R-4?t=45

https://youtu.be/2c7CKZ6G5k8?t=117
https://youtu.be/JhExIWa0R-4?t=63

https://youtu.be/2c7CKZ6G5k8?t=271
https://youtu.be/JhExIWa0R-4?t=891

Nice fucked-up sound effects, Jamcuck.
Lmao.

>>9036780
So DAC is essentially the "samples" channel?

>>9035835

Bobby Brooks. Worked with all the legends of music, including the Jackson family. Only game composer credit: Sonic 3. Did Brad Buxtor bring these people on? Or maybe Michael used their ideas in his demo recordings? How'd these people get onboard with Sonic 3?