/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9033578]

So Yuji Naka just casually confirmed the whole MJ in Sonic 3 thing

[Anonymous No.9033592]

The time has come

[Anonymous No.9033595]

RIP, a law office is about to work on their fifth yacht.

[Anonymous No.9033606]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'm just fucking pissed off they didn't use the beta super sonic theme, even though they are using a new track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8N45jG0BkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLtpZuJlOM

[Anonymous No.9033621]

>>9033578
Man left the game industry so he's taking SEGA down with him, kek.
Anyhow, the replacement music Jun Senoue made sucks. He should be kept away from the Genesis soundchip. I know that shit can be modded out but damn. Should've just used the music from the leaked prototypes instead.

[Anonymous No.9033625]

>>9033621
>He should be kept away from the Genesis soundchip.
Sonic 3D Blast is top-tier though

[Anonymous No.9033672]

>>9033625
He's very much dulled with age seemingly. 3D Blast GEN was basically his first Sonic soundtrack which was fantastic but I guess now he's just way too use to real instruments to go back to FM Synth again and do it well.

[Anonymous No.9033675]

>>9033578
SHAMONE

[Anonymous No.9033696]

Does this mean Sonic 3 cart prices are going up cause all the MJ collectors gonna buy one?

[Anonymous No.9033698]

>>9033696
HEE HEE

[Anonymous No.9033705]

Regardless, I think this game is the prime example (though not only) of why licensed music is trash. Every GTA game has the same issue too.

[Anonymous No.9033708]

OOOOOOOH SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET PAIDDD ROLL FOR SEGA BUTTFUCKED OUT OF THE GAMING INDUSTRY ENTIRELY LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO . TRIPS AND NO MORE SONIC GAMES RELEASED BY SEGA AFTER Frontiers

[Anonymous No.9033715]

>>9033705
All the problems with licensed music are caused by devs being cheap and not wanting to pay for proper licenses.
There's some weird older games with licensed music still available today digitally with no alterations because they decided to spring for that extra long licensing period like Burnout 3. Meanwhile other games have been removed from sale just for having a single licensed song in the entire game.

[Anonymous No.9033782]

>>9033578
we knew it already

[Anonymous No.9033841]

>>9033705
It's not just video games. Cartoons like Captain N and Super Mario Bros. 3 had to have major soundtrack overhauls on DVD because of all the pop music they used.

>>9033715
It's understandable with older games and TV shows that couldn't foresee potential rereleases in other formats. But anything PS2 onward has little excuse for not building future releases into the license terms. Back with Sonic 3 it wasn't expected people would ever care to play these games again on later systems.

[Anonymous No.9033895]

>>9033696
Nah, game is over 18 years old. No MJ fan wants it.

[Anonymous No.9033908]

>>9033606
There's no actual proof that's the beta super sonic theme - everyone just assumed it was. Apparently according to some interviews it was actually meant as a bonus mode theme, which is exactly how it's used in Sonic Origins.
That said, this > origins super sonic music

[Anonymous No.9033934]

>>9033895
Noice

[Anonymous No.9033940]

>>9033578
>>9033708
guarantee Yuji will get either assassinated or arrested on false charges now that he is opposition to the ch*sen people's video game company

[Anonymous No.9034067]

>>9033715
It's not a case of being cheap. The rights holder holds all the cards and it turns into a patience auction. When it comes to extending the rights, they have the other party by the balls and they know how much of a problem it will be if they just say "no". It's well established that music labels are greedy narcissists.

[Anonymous No.9034102]

>>9033908
Agreed, it sounds more like the ending theme they would've used before they went with MJ's Strangers in Moscow for S3's credits roll instead.

[Anonymous No.9034147]

>>9034102
Speaking of Strangers in Moscow, what music plays when you beat Sonic 3 solo in Origins?

[Anonymous No.9034202]

>>9033715
Not quite retro but the only reason I bought "tatsunoko vs capcom" was for the nostalgia and sound track. Then I got it and was WTF?

[Anonymous No.9034203]

Was anyone surprised Marble Garden wasn't worked on by Jackson?

[Anonymous No.9034226]

>>9033578
>even though SEGA Official uses Michael Jackson's music.
What a weird sentence. I assume we can swap "even though" for "because"? But why did he say "SEGA Official" instead of just "SEGA"? Fucking drunk af washed out gamedev.

[Anonymous No.9034230]

>>9034226

It's the name of sega's tiktok in Japan https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539897464274112512

He later claims he's being misunderstood, although it still sounds like he's confirming MJ's involvement in Sonic 3 https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539982336850157568

[Anonymous No.9034237]

>>9034226

It's the name of sega's tiktok in Japan https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539897464274112512

He later claims he's being misunderstood,which is being interpreted as him retracting the statement. But it sounds like the misunderstanding is just a minor point about Sega management vs. Sega's social media, and that he's still confirming MJ worked on Sonic 3. https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539982336850157568

He also posted a helicopter shot of Neverland. https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539953249762979842

[Anonymous No.9034301]

>>9033606
The Nu music sucks. Jun Senoue is a shitty composer thats been riding on the coat tales of other better sega composers for years. They need to hire somebody else who understands how to make good music. Sonic 4 is all the proof you need that sega is lazy and incompetent and will continue the cycle of shitty games. Only when they outsource fans do we get decent games like mania.

[Anonymous No.9034303]

HEE HEE

[Anonymous No.9034315]

Wait… the new music is the only option available? There isn’t an “classic mode” with the original music or something?
How can they go through the effort of making all these nice ports and still mess up something so basic.

[Anonymous No.9034330]

>>9034315
Current year Sega is all about fucking everything they do up.

>Puyo Tetris 2
>PSO2 New Genesis
>Sanic Frontiers
>Yakuza JRPG
list goes on.

Sega should've died with the Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.9034343]

>>9034315
The Jackson/Brad Buxer tracks rights are finicky, Buxer had no idea his tracks were used in the released version (which is on him to have known, he was a collaborator FFS) and rumor has it he's pissy about it when fans began asking him and did research.

[Anonymous No.9034474]

>>9033895
Kek

[Anonymous No.9034531]

>>9033895

[Anonymous No.9034548]

>>9034330
>Sega should've died with the Dreamcast.
Can't argue this.

[Anonymous No.9034551]

Balamb in Wonderland was a good so bad it's good it's bad again game.

[Anonymous No.9034712]

>>9034203
Yeah. Would've been epic if it turned out the best song in the game, Hydrocity Act 2, had been made by the legend himself. Of course, the song is simply too good to be an american creation.

Also, now that the whole truth is out, it means they actually did reuse a Michael Jackson song in a game which was not a re-release? Whoops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqCxMR-FHtU

[Anonymous No.9034746]

Which songs exactly are presumed to be by MJ?

[Anonymous No.9034765]

>>9034343
Yeah SEGA actually having an issue with releasing Sonic 3 unaltered coincidences pretty much exactly with when Buxter was first quizzed about it and subsequently released his back catalogue. From his perspective MJ 'quit' the project so he probably just assumed the work was scrapped. Between him and MJ's estate I doubt they can ever release the original again.

[Anonymous No.9034772]

>>9034746
Carnival Night, Ice Cap, Launch Base, Sonic 3 credits, and the mini-boss/Knuckles themes.

[Anonymous No.9034842]

>>9033592
>it's a mystery
>but Naka-san...
>it's. a. mystery.
kino

[Anonymous No.9034849]

>>9033592
fake interview. He didn't talk about cars

[Anonymous No.9034853]

Naka talked shit about Square Enix for ruining Balan WW
Now he's shit-talking Sega
The man is simply too based for this industry. That's why he's done and taking it all down with him

[Anonymous No.9035643]

>>9034303
*hair catches on fire*

[Anonymous No.9035648]

>>9033578
I thought everybody already knew this and that michael disowned it because the genesis chip couldn't make it sound good enough

[Anonymous No.9035657]

>>9034330
>Sega should've died with the Dreamcast.

But then we wouldn't have gotten panzer dragoon Orta and VF5.

It was at the end of the 00s where they should've died.

[Anonymous No.9035725]

>>9035643
*grabs crotch and thrusts*

[Anonymous No.9035740]

>>9034772
>spend a billion zillion dollars to hire an over-rated pop star to help make your music
>he only makes a single good song
>it's just a 1:1 copy paste of a song you already had and isn't even original.
I wonder if it was worth it

[Anonymous No.9035802]

>>9033698
I'm A BAD ASS INVINCIBLE MOTHER FUCKER, THAT'S RIGHT! KISS MA BAD SELF! OWW!

[Anonymous No.9035810]

>>9033934
That's not how you spell "nonce".

[Anonymous No.9035815]

>>9035740
Actually MJ loved Sega, he probably unironically did it for free, or a low symbolic amount of cash.

[Anonymous No.9035818]

>>9035643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiPIK8j3jkI

[Anonymous No.9035826]

>>9033578
>So Yuji Naka just casually confirmed the whole MJ in Sonic 3 thing

I think it was confirmed more or less that Michael was in-directly involved in composing part of the soundtrack. I think he had to bail for various reasons, but left his music team to finish the project for him. hence why people like Brad Buxtor is in the sonic 3 credits and a few other musicians who were generally not associated with video game music. Though Michael apparently dictated some of the beats/ melodies that would be in Sonic 3 to his team.

[Anonymous No.9035830]

>>9033578
>So Yuji Naka just casually confirmed the whole MJ in Sonic 3 thing

I think it was confirmed more or less that Michael was in-directly involved in composing part of the soundtrack. I think he had to bail for various reasons, but left his music team to finish the project for him. hence why people like Brad Buxor is in the sonic 3 credits and a few other musicians who were generally not associated with video game music. Though Michael apparently dictated some of the beats/ melodies that would be in Sonic 3 to his team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwA9E-OTkbk

[Anonymous No.9035831]

>>9035740
Sega never had money like that anon.

[Anonymous No.9035835]

>>9035830
>Sonic 3

[Anonymous No.9035849]

>>9034237
>He also posted a helicopter shot of Neverland
that's the best part

[Anonymous No.9035858]

>>9033578
I think the main issue isn't so much the Jackson state but Brad Buxer. Stranger in Moscow and Jam are different enough from Staff Roll and Carnival Night to have some plausible deniability, but Ice Cap and Hard Times are 1:1 and Brad Buxer is still alive and well to actually get an attorney involved for decades of unpaid residuals. I don't know what sort of contract was involved but SEGA fucked up not securing anything and Buxer fucked up by not making sure if his work made it to the final game or not, and SEGA could've probably gotten away with it had their fanbase not been a bunch of extreme autismos who managed to track down Brad Buxer and made him aware of S3&K's final OST. Decades of residuals yo use the original music might be enough to bankrupt the company a second time unless SEGA and Buxer were to reach an agreement in the form of DLC similar to how Nocturne HD handled Dante.

[Anonymous No.9035865]

>>9035858

Is it just Brad Buxor? ,Because there are other names on the Sonic 3 sound track too... like Douglas C. Grigsby III and Cirocco Jones who are also MJ collaborators as well.

[Anonymous No.9035871]

>>9035865
He's the only one Sonic autismos and Pop Fiction managed to get ahold of. Cirocco Jones refused to comment and Grigsby never replied anything.

[Anonymous No.9035874]

>>9035858
>Ice Cap and Hard Times are 1:1

'HOO!"
'HOO!"
It doesn't matter hos scratchy that sounds, you know it's MJ's voice sampled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBTAGVnfXAw

[Anonymous No.9035876]

>>9035874
Nah it's just a the fat white guy who thinks he's the small black guy :^)

[Anonymous No.9035882]

>>9035871
>>>9035865
>He's the only one Sonic autismos and Pop Fiction managed to get ahold of. Cirocco Jones refused to comment and Grigsby never replied anything.


Yeah, the other guys probably didn't care enough. never seen the Pop Fiction thing. I know it was a big deal when people brought up the Sonic 3 connection. When you piece it together, you can hear the MJ influence in the music. It seems to make the most sense that MJ may only have sent Sega/ his team cassette recordings of his voice making beats/ melodies/ beat boxing. And his collaborative team on this project did the rest. That seems the most likely.

[Anonymous No.9035883]

Can I get a quick run down. I never really cared about sonic 3 because I hated the level layouts and graphic style change.

I always thought that michael jackson willingly helped out on sonic 3 music because he liked the series, but that is apparently not the case because they are trying to remove the music?

Whats the deal with the music? did they sample it illegally and just hiding the fact for as long as they can?

[Anonymous No.9035919]

sonic has always been an ass series and flying battery zone had the only good music

[Anonymous No.9035929]

>>9035876
>>>9035874 (You)
>Nah it's just a the fat white guy who thinks he's the small black guy :^)

It's almost like when Fox aired 'Do the Bartman' on the day that Michael Jackson died, and just basically said that Michael wrote the song 'Do the Bart Man' and it became a chart topping single for a little while. I was surprised, and not surprised at the same time. Maybe i didn't notice it when I was a kid, that kind of pop music was somewhat still around? But listening to it at an older age, It's just obvious now.

[Anonymous No.9035991]

>>9033592
Based

[Anonymous No.9035994]

>>9035883
Just watch your favourite e-celebs youtube explanation and treat them as facts, that's how /vr/ works nowadays.

[Anonymous No.9036000]

>>9035994
Well yuji just confirmed said e-celeb "speculation". So get assblasted fart huffer.

[Anonymous No.9036001]

I never knew this was considered speculation. I just thought MJ didn't want to be credited after his dissatisfaction with working with the Genesis hardware.

[Anonymous No.9036002]

>>9035929
"Do the Bartman" is good when it's not rapping.

[Anonymous No.9036204]

>>9034330
What's wrong with Puyo Tetris 2? I skipped it since it didn't seem much different from the first one which I own.

[Anonymous No.9036625]

>>9035740
>an over-rated pop star

Probably the most famous musician of the last hundred years, and probably the last one that'll ever make that sort of global impact

[Anonymous No.9036637]

>>9036204
It's PPT1 copypasted and made slightly worse due to shit additions and attempts to balance Puyo VS Tetris (which didn't work and only made the experience worse on both sides). It lacks staple Puyo game-modes that have been in previous titles, it took the spot of a 30th anniversary game and it has awful PPQ characters that look like fucking dogshit.

[Anonymous No.9036669]

>>9036625
We talking about Freddie Mercury?

[Anonymous No.9036685]

>>9035865
>Douglas C. Grigsby III

That's what happens, ask Michael if he wants to get involved, and then Michael gets his friends involved...

[Anonymous No.9036695]

>>9036625
Sings, Dances, one man show. Best of the best. No one will ever compare, I think even just the conditions that created him don't exist anymore. Aside from his talent being rare. Fucking chad.

[Anonymous No.9036780]

>>9035874
>It doesn't matter hos scratchy that sounds, you know it's MJ's voice sampled.


https://youtu.be/DqHstBgOxSQ?t=246

[Anonymous No.9036786]

>>9036780

I forgot to add that I was always a bit disappointing that they replaced the mini-boss music in Sonic 3 with the Mini Boss music from Sonic and Knuckles when you lock the carts together.

https://youtu.be/dKOke84eztA?t=163

And then the Windows 95 PC release with its alternate tracks, which I actually did like some of them.

[Anonymous No.9036796]

>>9035874
Sounds a bit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkRDIuknzQ

[Anonymous No.9036797]

>>9036625
Elvis and Sinatra always mogged MJ, zoombie.

[Anonymous No.9036798]

>>9036669
>Freddie Mercury
the gay icon faggot who died from aids? literally no one gives a fuck about him other than redditors

[Anonymous No.9036807]

>>9033621
>Man left the game industry
No he didn't. He's making games on his own now. Literally coding shit himself. I played his mobile game (the one with dice) and it was actually pretty fun for waht it was.

[Anonymous No.9036825]

>>9036002
>"Do the Bartman" is good when it's not rapping.

> "If you can do the Bart, you're bad like Michael Jackson!" (actual line from the song)

original unedited 4:3 music video here. I can only ever find the 16:9 crop on youtube; https://youtu.be/dKOke84eztA?t=163

[Anonymous No.9036827]

>>9036002
>>>9035929 (You)
>"Do the Bartman" is good when it's not rapping.

> "If you can do the Bart, you're bad like Michael Jackson!" (actual line from the song)

original unedited 4:3 music video here. I can only ever find the 16:9 crop on youtube;

https://archive.org/details/Simpsons_Do_The_Bartman

[Anonymous No.9036830]

>>9035882
Pop Fiction was a pretty good show on YouTube. It got axed when a parent company, I forgot which, got bought out. They made a successor show but I think it never caught on like Pop Fiction did. I guess by then DYKG was too well established.

[Anonymous No.9036851]

>>9036830
>>9035882
>>9035871
Might as well post it:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFgnUa1v8uA

[Anonymous No.9036864]

>>9036827
Look At All Those Idiots > Do the Bartman

[Anonymous No.9036874]

>>9033578
no he fucked up and can't into english, he was referring to a shitty tiktok video

[Anonymous No.9036875]

>>9036874
t. naka's lawyer

[Anonymous No.9036897]

>>9036864
>Look At All Those Idiots > Do the Bartman

I loved that track. Deep Deep Trouble was written/ produced by Will Smith

[Anonymous No.9036965]

>>9034772
Also Competition menu.
>>9034712
That may be partly why Sega can't acknowledge Pocket Adventure since it was barred from being mentioned in Encyclo-speed-ia.
>>9036874
Literally doesn't change anything. I think people understood what he meant by "SEGA Official" (the account); he was pointing out the hypocrisy of them posting a video with Sonic and MJ music despite changing the music in Sonic 3. Some idiots didn't understand what "SEGA Official" meant and so he clarified. What's so hard to understand about this?

[Anonymous No.9036991]

>>9034712
>Pocket Adventure since it was barred from being mentioned in Encyclo-speed-ia.
Wait seriously? What the fuck is this franchise.

[Anonymous No.9037018]

>>9034712
>too good to be an American creation
America > Japan in pretty much every single way. They've been copying us for 100 years. Cope, faggot.

[Anonymous No.9037027]

reminder that Sonic Jam is still the best way to experience the real Sonic 3.

[Anonymous No.9037034]

>>9037027
>CD loading times
Yeah, nah, fuck off Shiturn shill.

[Anonymous No.9037082]

>>9037027
https://youtu.be/2c7CKZ6G5k8?t=100
https://youtu.be/JhExIWa0R-4?t=45

https://youtu.be/2c7CKZ6G5k8?t=117
https://youtu.be/JhExIWa0R-4?t=63

https://youtu.be/2c7CKZ6G5k8?t=271
https://youtu.be/JhExIWa0R-4?t=891

Nice fucked-up sound effects, Jamcuck.
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.9037207]

>>9036780
So DAC is essentially the "samples" channel?

[Anonymous No.9037212]

>>9035835

Bobby Brooks. Worked with all the legends of music, including the Jackson family. Only game composer credit: Sonic 3. Did Brad Buxtor bring these people on? Or maybe Michael used their ideas in his demo recordings? How'd these people get onboard with Sonic 3?

[Anonymous No.9037382]

>>9037082
>https://youtu.be/2c7CKZ6G5k8?t=271
>BRAP
lmao

[Anonymous No.9037546]

JAM
JAM
YOU WANNA GET UP AND
JAM

[Anonymous No.9037618]

>>9035858
>I think the main issue isn't so much the Jackson state but Brad Buxer.

Brad Buxor is very open about his Sonic 3 involvement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqfSBnqUDcg

[Anonymous No.9037709]

>>9037207
>So DAC is essentially the "samples" channel?

DAC =Digital Audio Channel. The genesis only has one of them at its disposal, and developers get their mileage out of it depending on hos good they are with it. The other 5 main channels are the FMsynth. I think the DAC can be used as a 6th FMsynth channel when not being used as a DAC. The PSG channels are part of the secondary 8-bit audio chip that is used for Master System backwars compatibility. Also the Genesis/ MD has an 8-bit z80 CPU used for Master System BC that also gets used as the 'audio controller' for the FMsynth/ DAC and PSG chips.

[Anonymous No.9037719]

>>9037709
Interesting. I had picked up that the PSG channels were 8-bit channels, but didn't realize that they were specifically from the Master System part of the Genesis.

[Anonymous No.9037741]

>>9037034
It doesn't have loadtimes in-game.
>>9037082
Good luck playing Ice Cap Act 2 on a MD and not having fucked up audio channels, Jamlet!

[Anonymous No.9037776]

>>9037719
>>>9037709 (You)
>Interesting. I had picked up that the PSG channels were 8-bit channels, but didn't realize that they were specifically from the Master System part of the Genesis.


The MD has the z80 and the PSG audio chip, and a graphics mode in the main graphics chip that can do SMS BC? The Power base converter was just a way to use SMS cartridges, cards, and it has the reset switch on it. But in the Genesis the z-80 becomes the main audio CPU, and the PSG gets used as back up audio channels, or sometimes gets used for sound effects.

[Anonymous No.9037802]

>>9037776
>The Power base converter

Not a bad compromise. If you wanted to keep using your SMS games, on your MD/ Genesis, just spend $20.00 on the adaptor. Genesis/ MD uses the same 9-pin controller ports. Sega would sometimes give them away for free in deals, or as a bundle thing with the Genesis between 1989 and 1990. I had a SMS2 on loan from someone, and used a Genesis 3-button pad with it for everything. I just hate the SMS square d-pad - pads.

[Anonymous No.9038143]

>>9033578
If you believe that guy you'll believe anything. Do you also really think he made sonic?

[Anonymous No.9038434]

>>9036797
Elvis maybe and Sinatra is borderline, but they didn't have the sheer global presence and staying power of Michael Jackson. You don't have to like it but you have to recognize that.

[Anonymous No.9038450]

>>9036864
Based.
>Look at all those boobs!

[Anonymous No.9038536]

>>9037709
>Digital Audio Channel
Wut?
DAC means digital to analog converter

[Anonymous No.9038591]

>>9037018
japanese video game music:
https://youtu.be/m9YTsT2wfYU
american video game "music":
https://youtu.be/7_qZsvUVZpw

[Anonymous No.9038596]

>>9038591
oops it's british lol. anyways david wise and grant kirkhope also made bangers no american could ever make

[Anonymous No.9038605]

>>9038591
have you even played halo faggot?

[Anonymous No.9038609]

>>9038591
I appreciate Crash 1 for what it was going for, but man did the series really not feel like it found its identity until Mutato Muzika got involved.

[Anonymous No.9038621]

I'm more interested in finding out if Janet Jackson composed the Bridge Zone theme from Sonic Master System.

[Anonymous No.9038623]

>>9038621
Didn't Yuzo Koshiro do that game's entire soundtrack? He probably listened to her music and just got "inspired".

[Anonymous No.9038627]

>>9038623
I'm fairly sure the game predates the song though.

[Anonymous No.9038674]

>>9035871
Apparently cirocco has commented before. No idea if he ended up going through with a lawsuit though.

[Anonymous No.9038678]

>>9038674
Oops forgot to attach the image

[Anonymous No.9038683]

>>9033578
>nigger pedophile made music for furry game
kill yourselves for caring

[Anonymous No.9039364]

>>9038536
>DAC means digital to analog converter

Oh, well I am not a musician. I guess that makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.9039368]

>>9038621
>I'm more interested in finding out if Janet Jackson composed the Bridge Zone theme from Sonic Master System.


People compare it to Janet Jackson's 'Together Again', which came out after Sonic 1 for the GameGear/ SMS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYJkol00JCE
https://youtu.be/5CHEqJgf7dw?t=13

[Anonymous No.9039387]

>>9039368
Typical Yuzo Koshiro, plagiarizing other people's music.

[Anonymous No.9039396]

>>9037082
>the CNZ balloons Sonic Jam make the "destroyed brick" sound effect when popped

I don't remember that.

[Anonymous No.9039412]

>>9038143
say what you will about his business sense or how he runs a team, but you can't deny his programming prowess. The momentum-based physics system he engineered for Sonic 1 and finetuned to perfection in Sonic 2 is one large part of what made the classic series what is was.

[Anonymous No.9039446]

>>9037741
>It doesn't have loadtimes in-game.
Being on CD does affect the game, though.

>Some of the audio in Sonic Jam is different from the original Mega Drive versions, with most music tracks having a slight delay before playing (likely due to CD loading times). This is particularly noticeable when collecting Power Sneakers, as rather than speed up the music already playing, a different, faster version of the tune is swapped in (and subsequently swapped out), with the track restarting each time (it can also cause results screen music to start playing for a second time if an extra life is obtained). Also, many sound effects have been sampled at a lower quality (or seemingly replaced, as is the case with many explosions), while others are missing, such as the sound for transforming into Super Sonic. While players can still charge spin dashes, the pitch of spin noise no longer rises when doing so.

Why are Saturn fans so disingenuous? It's okay you wanna have SOMETHING to play on your failed system, but lying to the internets and saying your version is best is just wrong.

[Anonymous No.9039459]

>>9039446
Having an obvious sound difference due to it being on CD audio doesn't mean the game has "loading times", though. You are the disingenuous one, typical projector.
Having loading times would be if the game had actual extra loading time in between stages, something like Chrono Trigger on PS1.
Sonic Jam's game loadtimes (transitons from level to level, etc) is no longer than in the original Mega Drive versions.

[Anonymous No.9039476]

>>9039459
>Having an obvious sound difference due to it being on CD audio doesn't mean the game has "loading times", though.
Did you miss the part where it specifically said having CD loading causes music to fuck up?

Stop splitting hairs and damage-controlling a flawed port of the game, mate. I never said it added loading transitions, just that having to load from CD makes it worse than on a cart, where music plays seamlessly and correctly. And then there's the lo-fi/wrong sfx issue.

Just a poor version of the game overall. But it's ok, I know you're coping over wasting money on a Saturn with sunk cost fallacy and convincing your autistic self Jam is best makes it better.

[Anonymous No.9039485]

>>9033578
>responds to himself
>Oh my god,
You okay there buddy?

[Anonymous No.9039496]

>>9039476
This is your original shitpost which I responded to:
>>9037034
You aren't mentioning sound differences due to the CD loading, you said "load times", which would make it seem as if the game had extra loading time than the originals, which is not the case.
Yes, the speed shoes's music can't dynamically change the speed because the CD needs to load, but that doesn't mean you have to wait extra time on a load screen.
>But it's ok, I know you're coping over wasting money on a Saturn with sunk cost fallacy and convincing your autistic self Jam is best makes it better.
I also have a Sega Genesis with the original versions. I just prefer to play on Jam because it has time attack mode (honestly the only way I tend to play Sonic these days when I'm feeling like it since I've played them countless times, I'd just rather pick random levels and try to beat my best times), and Sonic 3 specifically fixes the sound in Ice Cap 2. Being able to properly listening to a level's music while it not being affected by the game's sfx is a bigger positive to me than speed shoes music here and there.
but, if you want to hate on the Saturn this much, do it, nobody cares. Just don't try to paint me as disingenuous when you're the one moving goalposts, twisting meanings and having a weird hateboner for the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.9039509]

>>9039496
>You aren't mentioning sound differences due to the CD loading, you said "load times", which would make it seem as if the game had extra loading time than the originals, which is not the case.
The time it takes to load off a CD to swap in the music = "CD loading times", you daft autist.

>I just prefer to play on Jam because it has time attack mode (honestly the only way I tend to play Sonic these days when I'm feeling like it since I've played them countless times, I'd just rather pick random levels and try to beat my best times),
Sonic 3 already has a level select once you beat the game, and you can write down, record to a VHS tape, or take a picture of your TV screen after you clear each act of the times you had. Pointless mode.

>but, if you want to hate on the Saturn this much, do it, nobody cares. Just don't try to paint me as disingenuous when you're the one moving goalposts, twisting meanings and having a weird hateboner for the Saturn.
Correct. The Shiturn killed Sega, everyone has a right to hate on that piece of shit.

You're the disingenuous one because you keep spamming threads about how the Sonic Jam's version of Sonic 3 is the best one, which isn't the truth.

Cope and dilate some more over it, Jamtranny.

[Anonymous No.9039518]

>>9039509
>The time it takes to load off a CD to swap in the music = "CD loading times", you daft autist.
You're being disingenuous and you know it, that's why you accused me of being it. Simply saying "CD loading times" doesn't make people think about Sonic's speed shoes music not dynamically changing speed, it makes people think of Loading screens and extra waiting time.
>Sonic 3 already has a level select once you beat the game, and you can write down, record to a VHS tape, or take a picture of your TV screen after you clear each act of the times you had. Pointless mode.
Already having your best times readily recorded on the game's memory is just way more practical, AND the most important thing, you can select the Act too, on the original game's level select you can only choose the Zone, but always starting from Act 1.
>Shiturn
Ah, thank you for confirming you're just the one same anti-saturn shitposter that plagues this board. Find a life. I will be here enjoying the best of both versions with my Genesis and my Saturn, while you seethe about people who own stuff on the internet.
And please, keep insulting and throwing tantrums, it makes your whole life even funnier, from an outside perspective.

[Anonymous No.9039546]

>>9035818
class

[Anonymous No.9039551]

>>9038678
Gonna follow up your post with something a friend sent me when discussing this.
>https://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?threads/stuff-ive-gotten-from-the-sonic-3-music-team.27943/#post-662546

[Anonymous No.9039559]

>>9039509
>The time it takes to load off a CD to swap in the music = "CD loading times", you daft autist.
The sheer irony in this sentence could power rockets.

[Anonymous No.9039578]

>>9039518
>You're being disingenuous and you know it, that's why you accused me of being it.
Nope. You put those words into my mouth, not once did I claim that Jam added transition screens. Your fault for misinterpreting what CD loading times meant.

>Already having your best times readily recorded on the game's memory is just way more practical, AND the most important thing, you can select the Act too, on the original game's level select you can only choose the Zone, but always starting from Act 1.
Still not worth playing a version with so many flaws with the sound.
Inb4 your Ice Cap Act 2 cope once again.

>I will be here enjoying the best of both versions with my Genesis and my Saturn, while you seethe about people who own stuff on the internet.
Love how you've backpedalled into supporting the superiour Mega Drive version now that you got called out.
Anyway, I don't care that you wasted money on a Saturn, I just find your endless Sonic Jam cope funny.

[Anonymous No.9039594]

>>9039578
It's so obvious it's you, auster.
>I don't care about the Saturn
Yes you do:
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/shiturn/
Here's hundreds and hundreds of your time wasted on hating the Saturn through the years.
Seek help.
>noooo I'm not real! boogeyman!
Sure, sure.

[Anonymous No.9039598]

>>9039578
>Your fault for misinterpreting what CD loading times meant.
This is the definition of backpedaling.
When people mention "CD load times", it means the extra waiting time, not the fact a CD loads up a track in literally a second or less.
Should have specified you meant the audio at least, but nope, you outright said "CD load times". Own it up, loser.
>Still not worth playing a version with so many flaws with the sound.
Again, I'd rather have a whole level that sounds good rather than prefer a speed up sound that only lasts a few seconds.
>Love how you've backpedalled into supporting the superiour Mega Drive version
Never claimed it's "superiour", shitposter, I only said I have the best of both worlds, while you have nothing, because you don't even play video games. You only seethe and fail, fail and fail again. Story of your life, really, not just this board.

[Anonymous No.9039709]

>>9039518
>on the original game's level select you can only choose the Zone, but always starting from Act 1
LOLWUT

[Anonymous No.9039750]

>>9039709
It was always funny that Sonic 3 included the names of cut stages that would be featured in Sonic & Knuckles.
Especially that the zone order indicates that Flying Battery would've come between Carnival Night and Ice Cap, which makes the snowboard at the start of Ice Cap make much more sense.

Also
>2P VS 1 2 1 2 1 2
>There are only five competition stages
I'll have to check what the last one does, but I guess it might do nothing like Flying Battery, Mushroom Valley, and Sandopolis.

[Anonymous No.9039758]

>>9033625
>>9033672
All of the good tracks in that game were made by Tatsuyuki Maeda.

[Anonymous No.9039763]

>>9038591
The Crash TT games had way better music than Mancell's offerings.

[Anonymous No.9039908]

>>9039709
wow I forgot about that level select screen, I was thinking about Sonic 3's save file screen where you can select the zones.
Was it easy to access out of any level and then choose a different one, or you had to manually reset and input the cheat again?

[Anonymous No.9040007]

>>9039551
Damn Bobby seemed really on edge in that response. I wonder what the outcome of the sega legal shit was, if there ever was an outcome at least. Since it's been ten years since that original post.

[Anonymous No.9040072]

>>9040007
He's also from that generation where people contacting people like him would be tabloids and fans of a piece of medoa wanting to know is alien to him, I wonder how he would respond to a (polite) email from anyone who runs Sonic Retro. Or the Pop Fiction guys, if they still do anything like thay.

[Anonymous No.9040276]

>>9039908
Yes, you could pause and press one of the buttons (A, I think) to go back to the level select screen. The code was a pain in the ass to input, but when S&K was locked on, the code was different and much easier.

[Anonymous No.9040685]

>>9039368
Yes I know. That bugged the shit out of me as a kid every time I heard that song on the radio.

[Anonymous No.9040692]

>>9040007
Lmao I wonder if furry autists are going to bug him now.

[Anonymous No.9040763]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q7IA_J_58g

[Anonymous No.9040779]

What if the Sonic 3 composer just ripped off MJ's music? It would explain Sega's reluctance to admit to the truth of the situation
Sure, it's easy to think, "Oh, they just don't want to be associated with MJ anymore because of the alleged kid diddling" but if that were the case wouldn't they have advertises Sonic 3 as having MJ's music? Wouldn't that bombshell be on the boxart in big letters? Instead it seems to me more likely that it's something even more shameful than being involved with MJ

[Anonymous No.9040791]

>>9040763
OW!

[Anonymous No.9040812]

>>9040779
Money, most likely. Who knows what the contracts said, and if it's "we demand a cut every time our music is released", Sega may try to avoid that with every fiber of their being. Not much of a selling point either way. "Hey MJ and his friends worked on this game and they turned in three songs and only one is any good but it's just an unreleased song they didn't put on an album yet".

[Anonymous No.9042698]

>>9039412
Agreed: fine programmer; shithead in everything else.

[Anonymous No.9044489]

>>9033578
It was confirmed several times already I believe
However, the biggest credits goes to Sonic Cult/Retro research into this

[Anonymous No.9046243]

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1656385433143.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1656386307578.webm

[Anonymous No.9046509]

>>9038591
>Richard Adrian Jacques (/dʒeJks/;[2] born 1973) is a British composer of film, television and video game music.
dumb weeb