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9023998 No.9023998 [Reply] [Original]

Kirby's Dream Land 3 is a monument to bad game design. The SNES deserved a better sendoff.

>> No.9024053

>>9023998
>Kirby's Dream Land 3 is a monument to bad game design.
How? It's comfy, ez, and fun.

>> No.9024064

>>9023998
>monument to bad game design
more like, you're a monumental faggot. DL3 is not a perfect game, but it's fun to play and co-op makes it even better

>> No.9024193

>>9023998
oof are you fucking kidding me?
i thought it was pretty good

maybe not as good as kdl2 but its a far-cry from being "BAD" anon

>> No.9024220

>[POPULAR THING] is bad because...
Summer's here, lads.

>> No.9024231

>>9024193
DL3 is a step down from Super Star in every way. Ultra slow, kiddy art style, and gimmicky levels where you have to help NPCs to 100% the game by solving inane puzzles or playing lame minigames. What were HAL thinking?

>> No.9024250

>>9024231
the overall aesthetic is wonderful though
plus the soundtrack SLAPS

>> No.9024274

>>9024231
>Ultra slow
No slower than other Kirby games
>kiddy art style
It's gorgeous
>and gimmicky levels where you have to help NPCs to 100% the game
Usually amounts to finding a single pick-up in an area at requires the slightest bit of secret-hunting
>or playing lame minigames
Which are pretty trivial reflex tests

>> No.9024291
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>>9024231
>kiddy art style
>in kirby

>> No.9024393

>>9024053
Well first you have to get EVERY Heart Star to see the true ending, and most of them are insanely cryptic unless you have a guide open next to you, and then they're just incredibly tedious. Most of them involve a bunch of steps after you're already deep into the level and if you fuck up once you have to start the level all over again. The manual and game do a terrible job of explaining your abilities and how you can use them to interact with things. It's just not fun.

>> No.9024401

>>9024220
Why do people make retorts like this? All it does is make it clear that for some reason you are taking criticism of a video game personally and can't handle it.

>> No.9024471

>>9024401
>—Kirby's Dream Land 3 is… le bad
>—it sure is summer in here
>—omg why are you seething so hard you cant handle criticism sweetie??
buddy, there is "criticism", and there is "just shitting on a good game without any arguments". guess which category does OP's post fall into

>> No.9024531

>>9024471
>buddy, there is "criticism", and there is "just shitting on a good game without any arguments". guess which category does OP's post fall into
Well guess what, he followed it up with >>9024393

>> No.9024560 [DELETED] 

>>9023998
Say you’re trans without saying you’re trans

>> No.9024561

>>9024393
>>9024531
>Well first you have to get EVERY Heart Star to see the true ending
wow, almost like many other games? it's almost like the game has a reward for 100% completion.
>most of them are insanely cryptic unless you have a guide open next to you
not most of them, but some of them. I'd say every world has 1-2 of them. this is the only more or less legitimate complaint about the game you've made. even then half the tasks don't even require much thinking
>Most of them involve a bunch of steps after you're already deep into the level and if you fuck up once you have to start the level all over again.
the levels are short and easy enough. having to replay a level to collect everything is a staple in collectathons. you can go back to them any time too

>> No.9024565
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>>9024531
>>9024561
You're both pretty.

>> No.9024579

>>9024471
I'll admit that OP could have elaborated on what aspect of the game is bad design but your response is also an undetailed accusation which doesn't help.

>> No.9024632 [DELETED] 

>>9024560
Interesting. That kind of canned response is a dead giveaway that you came from Twitter tranny central.

>> No.9025105

>>9023998
>The SNES deserved a better sendoff.
Good thing that SNES died in 2000, not in 1997.

>> No.9025131

>>9023998
>t. filtered by R.O.B. puzzle

>> No.9026414

>>9024053
the level design is fucking awful.

>> No.9026418

>>9024193
Shit taste faggot. Dreamland 2 is way better than DL3

>> No.9026424

>>9025131
The only good part about this game was that level with the ROB puzzle. The rest of the game is pretty bland

>> No.9027143

>>9024393
>tfw horrible auditory memory so I can't get the stars
fbm

>> No.9027961

>>9025105
The SFC died in 2000. The SNES died in 1998 (but KDL3 was the last major title so it effectively died 1997)

>> No.9028118

>>9024393
>Well first you have to get EVERY Heart Star to see the true ending
Nah. More games should be like this. Most games doesn't do this anymore because locking content behind a gate that most players won't ever see is money wasted (disappointing, I know. There's never any good 100% rewards anymore). But if you know what you're doing, this is like a 3 hours game man
> and most of them are insanely cryptic
They're not that hard to figure out. Most of the stage's goal makes a sound when accessing the room with the objective and most objectives sticks out like a sore thumb and I figured out all this shit as a 10 years old with no Internet. The only one that really stumped me for a while was the Green/Purple spring thing in World 1 that you had to touch with the pink girl without any abilities. And maybe the Rick (The Hamster) stage one because I didn't know he could wall jump (you can cheese it with a second controller by making the second player teleport to you)
>Most of them involve a bunch of steps after you're already deep into the level and if you fuck up once you have to start the level all over again
The levels are 3 minutes long dude

>> No.9028202

>>9023998
I was visiting a friend and their kids around 10-12 yro were had their dads SNES they had both Kirby games and they were doing very poorly.

I had time to burn. I don't remember where I started, just picked up where they were playing, early in the game. We were taking turns hand had gotten to the standard ending within 2hrs.

The only reason I remember 2hrs was because their dads car broke down and he needed a lift from work, in 2hrs.

All Kirby games are quick, short and easy. If you want 100% it takes a little more time.

>> No.9029351

>>9023998
>monument to bad game design
i never even played it and i can tell this is a bullshit bait post and the game is probably good.

>> No.9029963

>>9023998
filtered

>> No.9030086

>>9029963
I beat it, but it wasn't fun.

>> No.9031112

>>9024393
The heart star thing is where I lose interest in playing it on every other playthrough. I've 100%'d it more than once, but I get severely bored by the time I get to the one where you need to put R.O.B. back together. I just want to get to the true final boss, which is among the best parts of the game, but it's such a boring slog to get there.

>> No.9031214

>>9023998
You weren't kidding OP.
>second (2nd) level has a room with some inexplicable creature in it that just sits there
>try a bunch of shit
>check FAQ out of frustration
>oh, you were supposed to use the powerless form of the pink blob, because its neutral move is a 'hug' that makes things happy! :^)
>immediately drag rom into recycle bin

>> No.9031374

>>9030086
>>9029963

>> No.9031847

>>9023998
Great looks and music
Fun co-op
Kinda meh everything else
Not a bad game, not great either.

>> No.9031859

Pitch is the best partner.

>> No.9031870

>>9024231
It's been a while since I played it, but I remember Kirby running much faster than he does in Super Star.

>> No.9031876

>>9024053
All of those things are true, but for the love of god do not go for 100%

>> No.9031886

>>9026418
Learn to read faggot. Post literally says not as good as DL2. Swallow glass

>> No.9031946

>>9031876
Might as well not play it at all.

>> No.9031953

>>9031214
> games with puzzles bad because they're making my brain ouch

>> No.9031964

>>9031953
>literally zero context or explanation
>puzzle
Eat shit.

>> No.9031983

>>9031964
> do you mean I have to actually find a solution by myself instead of just looking into manual and be told what to do

First world problems.
Also, it's literally in the manual. It's supposed to come up with the game and be checked before playing.
Not dev's problem that you don't have it.

>> No.9031987

>>9031983
It's not a puzzle, you fucking retard. It's pure trial and error, in the most egregious sense. You have no contextual clues, and you have no way of knowing that this silent motionless creature with no explicable features needs anything. It's bullshit, and you're a kike.

>> No.9031992

>>9031987
It gets more complex later in the game and you need to figure out different ability combinations to solve it. There are visual and sound hints that help you solving it. So it's a puzzle.

You're simply got filtered so early in the game you've never saw actual puzzles. The equivalent of dying on tutorial. Congratulations.

>> No.9031993

>>9031992
Go ahead and explain how the creature in 1-2 is 'justified' or 'explainable'. I'll wait.

>> No.9031996

>>9031992
And I saw the first puzzle in level 1 (don't step on the flowers). That had context and explainability. Level 2 doesn't.

>> No.9032013

>>9031993
You know that you don't have to immediately get Heart Star in every level? You can, like, go ahead and see how the mechanics are working. You can even finish the game with normal ending. And then, when you'll understand how it works and return to previous stages, you'll notice there are little to no options of what you can do with the creature, you'll subtract everything that won't work by your logic.

Or you could just throw away ability and do a normal attack right at the start.
It's really that simple.
I don't know what else to say, it's a rookie test. KDL2 had it too and it was much more ass in my opinion, despite game being way smaller in amount of content.

>> No.9032028

>>9032013
>doesn't attempt to justify it
I accept your concession.

>> No.9032253

>>9032028
Looks pretty justified to me. Lrn 2 reeding comprension

>> No.9032319

>>9024231
>i only play games with mature cute pink blobs in them

>> No.9032350

>>9024250
>slaps
please off yourself zoomer

>> No.9033167

>>9031983
>Also, it's literally in the manual.
No it's not, and I literally read through it before playing. Did you actually play the game or are you here just to troll?

>> No.9034214
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>> No.9034356

>>9032013
>>9032253
Not him but you did a pretty shitty job at justifying it. You basically just said "just try everything everywhere!" But the game and manual do a really shitty job at explaining the abilities.

Out of the 48 animal buddy combinations, the manual only shows pictures for 6 of them. It tells you to find the rest on your own, and it even tells you that a bunch of them are useless. It doesn't explain how you can use any of them. It would have been really useful to know that Kine + Electricity can reveal secret doors!

It doesn't help that there is little indication you can even interact with the creatures that need help. They aren't even solid objects for crying out loud, how are you supposed to know your abilities can affect stuff you can pass right through?

On top of that, the animal buddies suck to use most of the time compared to Kirby himself, so why would you even want to experiment with them? Why did the game discourage experimenting with the abilities that are required to beat the game? Not to mention you're required to use some combos you'd never want to use otherwise.

Like for example, for one of the Heart Stars you need to use Pitch + Broom to water some plants. Yeah, you read that right. Somehow, combining Pitch with the broom ability makes him lob a drop of water. How the fuck were you supposed to know that? And why would you combine the worst ability with one of the worst buddies? It's so unintuitive! It doesn't even clearly look like water either, it's a blue blob that's darker than the rest of the water in the game.

And all of this is incredibly shitty because you are REQUIRED to get EVERY Heart Star to get the actual ending. It's not like DKC2 where the Lost World gives you a nice, extra-flashy, but optional ending. In Dream Land 3 it's incredibly obvious that the regular ending is not the real one. You didn't get to face off against the main villain of the game. You don't even get the real credits!

>> No.9034383
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>>9024393
>Well first you have to get EVERY Heart Star to see the true ending, and most of them are insanely cryptic unless you have a guide open next to you
holy shit lmao. I found all the heart stars when I was fucking 7. You have to be an actual sped to not figure those out. Its a fucking BABY game anon. For literal children.

>> No.9034395

It's incredibly unfulfilling, but in order to get the real ending you have to suffer through the cryptic, tedious chore of collecting all the Heart Stars. It's a lose-lose situation.

For all the flack they get for being cryptic, the first two Zeldas were nowhere near as obtuse as Kirby's Dream Land 3, and they came out 10 years earlier. There is no excuse. It's such a shame that the swan song for one of the greatest consoles of all time sucks this hard.

>> No.9034403

>>9034383
>I found all the heart stars when I was fucking 7.
*while my mom read me a walkthrough on GameFAQs

>> No.9034453
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>>9034403
Cope harder. You're an actual fucking moron if you cant figure these out.
>>9034395
Holy shit is this a common problem? Are people really this fucking dumb? ITS FUCKING KIRBY. You guys couldn't really figure out shit like this? Make the blocks match?
LITERAL
FUCKING
BABY
GAME

>> No.9034751

>>9034453
>pic
Thanks for posting another reminder of how obtuse this game is.

You actually think people are morons if they don't immediately figure out that they have to shape star blocks a few rooms away into the shape of the weird creature you saw at the beginning of the level? That's not the first thought that crosses anyone's head. Not to mention the one later in the game when you have to make the shape upside down to what you're shown with zero indication that you need to do so.

It's like this game was made to sell Nintendo Power. Which would actually make sense since they weren't likely to make lots of money off such a late release.

>> No.9035640

>>9034383
Just noticed your pic is made out of anime girls. That automatically invalidates anything you had to say.

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>>9023998
The graphics and sound are easily the most 1997 Japan ever (Princess Mononoke, etc.), which makes it kino. I don't mind the stilted movement if the game's has the most kino aethestic. Same goes for Kirby 64.

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>>9035681
>shimomura kirby games
>umihara kawase
>the entire pc-98 library
>never played mega man legends but i imagine it's like that too
i wanna live in that aesthetic

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>>9034751
>You actually think people are morons if they don't immediately figure out that they have to shape star blocks
Yes
>a few rooms away into the shape of the weird creature you saw at the beginning of the level?
Its not a few rooms away. Its literally outside the room.
>That's not the first thought that crosses anyone's head.
It should be, because its fucking obvious
>weird creature MADE OF FUCKING BLOCKS outside room that isn't an enemy
>room right next to him that plays the noise for "SECRET HERE"
>A blank canvas of squares
I WONDER WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO ANON. You are dumber than I was when I was 7. The game isn't obtuse. You are.

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>>9035640
>hating anime
>on an anime website
This place was made in the style of japanese image boards with the original purpose of talking about japanese shit. Mostly anime.

>> No.9036428

>>9036053
Anon, am I supposed to give a shit ?

>> No.9036435

>>9036053
How does that translate to hating anime? If you had an image made up completely of vaginas I'd also tell you to fuck off. Doesn't mean I hate vagina. Just hate tards like you

>> No.9037465

I own it, and I agree. It's the worst of the classic kirby games despite having quite a few levels.

>> No.9037478

I tried playing it and couldn't finish it due to the stilted movement. Too frustrating just walking. I loved Dream Land, Adventure, and Dream Land 2, but 3 was terrible.

>> No.9038928

>>9034356
>It would have been really useful to know that Kine + Electricity can reveal secret doors!
You'd know that if you played Kirby Adventure
Plus there's a whole level more or less setup for him with full of electric enemies

>> No.9038935

>>9034356
>Like for example, for one of the Heart Stars you need to use Pitch + Broom to water some plants. Yeah, you read that right. Somehow, combining Pitch with the broom ability makes him lob a drop of water. How the fuck were you supposed to know that?
Bro I figured this out when I was like 10
>Sound indicates the goal
>Flowers looks dead
>Here's the animal friend presented in a hole in that area IIRC
>Broom enemies everywhere
>Eventually notice that Pirch + Broom does shoot water
>Could it be?...
>It works
You guys are retarded

>> No.9038936

>>9023998
>The SNES deserved a better sendoff.
OK, then. Play Frogger.

>> No.9038941

>>9034751
Bruh, I just had to sit down and think about it for a second as a kid. It was obvious. Signal sound, you get a shaped rock, and then you get a big block of blocks to destroy. It's literally putting 2 + 2 together.

>> No.9039793

Kirby 64 did the puzzle solving better imo. But 3 is alright

>> No.9040004

>>9039793
That's because it's back to the KDL2 style IIRC, but KDL3 had way more variety here

>> No.9040656

>>9023998
This is literally one of my favorite Kirby games. You're just a faggot.

>> No.9041036

>>9038941
The levels should have had titles that hinted what you should do, like Mario 64, the game that came out a full year earlier. Then it would have been obvious.

>> No.9041045

>>9038935
>>Here's the animal friend presented in a hole in that area IIRC
You have a choice between Pitch and Nago, the latter of which is better in most circumstances
>>Broom enemies everywhere
Why would you swallow the enemies that give you the worst ability?

You'd have to be bored out of your fucking skull to combine one of the worst animal buddies with the worst ability. It's not intuitive in the slightest.

>> No.9041074

>>9041045
> why would you experiment and add different things into the game to vary its gameplay it sucks and i don't like it

I never knew Kirby's Dream Land 3 can be an autist detector. They should use it for medical purposes, to give a diagnosis.

>> No.9041307

I want another Kirby game with its artstyle or at least some approximation of it.

>> No.9041314

>>9024220
>[POPULAR THING]
This is probably the first and last time most anons on here will ever hear or think about Kirby's Dream Land 3

>> No.9041729

>>9041036
That wouldn't have mattered to me because I couldn't read the English language at that time
>>9041045
>Why would you swallow the enemies that give you the worst ability?
To try it out. Broom + Animal are a pretty awesome combination overwall IIRC. Most of them are fun to use AND powerful
>You have a choice between Pitch and Nago, the latter of which is better in most circumstances
You had the beep, it was your cue to try shit out. Plus pitch has some fun abilities too
For example, if 2nd player, they can use the electric ability and follow Kirby while being invincible while Gooey is left behind

>> No.9042027

>>9037465
>>9037478
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