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I don't know why I like this game so much when it's the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games. I don't even have a nostalgia excuse.
This game brings me joy and I don't know why

>> No.9020282

>>9020275
>it's the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games

>Presses A to chase after OP and beat him to a faggoty pulp

>> No.9020286
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9020286

>>9020282
>Also presses A To reattach my image

>> No.9020290

>>9020282
>>9020286
What's your problem man

>> No.9020347

>>9020275
I'm a weeaboo and my brain unironically makes me think 'it's okay when japan does it'. Especially considering the fact that it's a Sega game

>> No.9020351
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9020351

>>9020275
>the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games.
uhh no.

>> No.9020356

>>9020351
But literally yes? How can you even debate this

>> No.9020357

>>9020351
Man this is fucking sad. But at least GTA games are good

>> No.9020361

>>9020351
I don't get it, popular but mediocre games are the best sellers?

>> No.9020401

>>9020351
usa numbers i guess

>> No.9020416

>>9020401
Yeah, Replace Madden with Fifa and you get Europe. For Japan do the same but it's Dragon Quest and Mario instead of Fifa and CoD

>> No.9020532

>>9020275
Shitmue is a boring walking simulator that killed the Dreamcast and almost took Sega down with it but i guess it does have a unique charm to it but that charm quickly disappears as you spend more than 10 minutes playing this slog

>> No.9020545

>>9020361
How is this a surprise? Broad appeal. Look at Marvel.

>> No.9020564
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9020564

>>9020275
>it's the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games
you think these are fucking lootboxes or something?

>> No.9020573

>>9020275
Unironically Sega should've ditched the idea of the Dreamcast and refined the idea for Shenmue as a PS2 launch title. Yeah, the game has some 'charm' but Jesus is it painfully boring and i find myself placing the game on idle while waiting for progression.

>> No.9020581

>>9020573
>PS2
Well, Yakuza is a spiritual successor
>NOOO IT'S NOT THE SAME
Toshihiro Nagoshi directed Shenmue with Yu Suzuki. There is literally no argument you can make to convince me that Yakuza is not the same.
>ditched the idea of the Dreamcast
It was originally going to be a Saturn game

>> No.9020592

>>9020581
No, I agree, it's basically a spiritual successor. A vastly superior franchise as well.

>> No.9020624

>>9020545
idk I guess he's mad about mario losing to madden or something? They appeal to the same audience so who gives a fuck?

>> No.9020626

>>9020573
Shenmue 2 is an original Xbox title

>> No.9020645

>>9020275
>it's the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games
They took the wrong lessons from it. Shenmue is still doing a lot of cool things that modern games aren't.

>> No.9020661

>>9020275

the capital city of south korea

>> No.9020668

>>9020545
Gen 6 sports game really were a major graphical leap ahead of Gen 5 along with vastly improved mechanics and features. PS2's wide appeal really boosted it to new heights hence why EA bought the Madden license.

>> No.9020726

>>9020573
Yakuza is Shitmue but good, if only if it came out on the DC instead of Shitmue maybe Sega would still be a player in the consoles business

>> No.9020738

>>9020726
Yakuza is basically a JRPG with real-time battles, Shenmue has so little combat by comparison and is mostly about talking to people and exploring.
I like both series, but I don't think they're very similar beyond both being set in Japan and having mini-games.

>> No.9020749

>>9020545
Marvel barely even has broad appeal after toning down the silly comic book stories and costumes. It's a fucking fluke in the matrix that it got this popular.

>> No.9020752

>>9020564
Lootboxes aren't even the worst aspect. 99% of games that contain lootboxes wouldn't be good without them either, and when they're only for quick cosmetics like Overwatch they're perfectly fine.

>> No.9020756

>>9020726
>maybe Sega would still be a player in the consoles business
Not only are you 100% wrong but it's also 100% a good thing Sega stopped trying to make consoles. Fuck off.

>> No.9020757
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9020757

>>9020275
>it's the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games.
I actually think that this is not true at all. If it is, it's because people took the wrong things from Shenmue 1 & 2 (including Shenmue 3).
Shenmue had no way-point markers and was all about talking to people for actual directions (like 'Go to the end of the street, turn left at the ramen shop). The map in Shenmue 2 was great too, buying maps for each area and then marking it with your own pencils, players making their own decision and codes for different colours instead of just slapping a waypoint for them to follow.
QTEs were all somewhat logical (press the kick button to kick someone, press left to move left, etc) and not arbitrary 'press a random button to not die'. Importantly, they also weren't instant-kill failures, but usually had branching paths.
Shenmue featured a small, but very detailed world in both 1 & 2, letting you talk to people for information, find fun mini games like the arcade machines or street-fights and lucky hit. Instead of following this path, most games just go 'BIG' maps and make them empty or have generic collectibles or 'check-list' tasks instead.
Shenmue also had some varied ways of solving a task (although limited), where you could get different results and paths by talking to different people, but all were logical. Think about finding Charlie and only knowing he was a criminal and had tattoos. You could talk to the bikies, to the Yakuza office, or to your friend who owned a bar etc and all would have their own information to provide to you. It's not a case of just 'find the ONE person who is scripted to progress the story'.
Also, the combat was really fun, even if it was too easy. I have to point out that instead of just getting XP to make the number go up, you actually trained and sparred, and by doing the same moves over and over they would even have animation changes and become more effective/look cooler. I prefer that to just getting 'XP'

>> No.9020761

>>9020738
>Shenmue has so little combat
that's why it's called a walking simulator
i can't believe i (and many clueless victims) were tricked into playing it thinking it was martial arts beat'em up kino but what we got was a literal autistic teenager walking around and engaging is mostly pointless conversations with equally autistic NPC's and it comes with one of the worst voice acting i ever seen, not to mention those shitty QTE's ruining the game even further or the most boring section in vidya history am talking about the infamous forklift part-time job at the harbor, that was literal hell

>> No.9020770

Because the slavishly detailed 1986 rural Japan is absolute bliss.

>> No.9021341

>>9020770
its not even rural

>> No.9021346

>>9020726
i really dont like yakuza at all to be honest despite liking shenmue. yakuza feels like its trying too hard

>> No.9021373

>>9020573
Ps2 was unable to run Shenmue. Dreamcast was a fine console and did almost nothing wrong apart from having a sketchy track record.

>> No.9021408

>>9020290
You kung-fu'd his dad to death.

>> No.9021413
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9021413

>>9020726
Yakuza is neither like Shenmue nor was SEGA ever going to survive after Sony joined the market.

Revenue was already going to shit after 1993, Nintendo and Sony had fuck you money to survive taking risk, SEGA didn't. Not only that ,but Hayao Nakayama wanted to focus more on turning sega to a arcade disneyland than focus on home consoles.

>> No.9021460

>>9020581
>>9020592
They play, feel and look nothing alike. The lead on Yakuza also worked on fucking Super Monkey Ball so you can't really convince me that those are different in any way I suppose.

>> No.9021464

>>9020626
Dreamcast long before it was on the Xbox. The Xbox version was just a port.

>> No.9021473

>>9020726
Shenmue is "find this place by immersing yourself in the game world and then continue the game"
Yakuza is "follow the giant pink splodge on your minimap to find a 50 minute cutscene about honour...again"

>> No.9021476

>>9020416
Not really.

>> No.9021483
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9021483

>>9020581
>>9020726

Yakuza is game for women and cuckholds

Play an actual good SEGA beat em up, like Dynamite Deka or Zombie Revenge yakuzacuck.

>> No.9021615

>>9020624
>mario losing to madden
>They appeal to the same audience
What? Do you have brain damage?

>> No.9021618

>>9020581
>There is literally no argument you can make to convince me that Yakuza is not the same.
You'd have a few if you played both games.

>> No.9021764

>>9021341
Shut up pedant.

>> No.9022570

>>9021615
both casual gamers

>> No.9022576
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9022576

>>9020275
>it's the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games.
I haven't seen bait this good in a while, keep it up OP!

>> No.9022582

>>9020761
>one of the worst voice acting i ever seen
how do you a) SEE voice acting and b) not use the original japanese?

>> No.9022993

>>9021464
>The Xbox version was just a port.
Why didn't Microsoft advertise Shenmue 2?

>> No.9023026

>>9022576
Op here I don't understand what's wrong with that sentence at all. Like I genuinely like the game. But I don't see how it isn't the source.

>> No.9023034

>>9021764
I'm not arguing dude nobody is being pedantic. I don't understand why everyone is being so confrontational

>> No.9023112

This thread is pretty rude, NGMI.

>> No.9023204

>>9020275
I would disagree about it being the origin of much. Shenmue is a swan song for Adventure Games, the little mini games and action breaks are just asides in what is a detective game.

>> No.9023213

>>9020351
I like more games from after the line then before.

>> No.9023217

>>9023026
Can you elaborate on what you mean by it being "the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games"?

>> No.9023362

>>9023034
You’re literally arguing. Shut up.

>> No.9023621

>>9020757
based Shenmue understander

>> No.9023636

Presents a memory of Japan that never really existed and will never exist

Invokes memories you never had

It's beautiful

>> No.9023643

>>9023217
Qtes and narrative driven walking simulator type games. Focus on cinematic quality. That kind of stuff.

>> No.9023683

>>9023643
Ah, like those games that are absolutely littered with cutscenes and feel more like an interactive movie? I'm not a big fan of those kinda games.

>> No.9023806

>>9023643
>playing modern games
That's where you messed up. My last retro console was ps3.

>> No.9024736

>>9020275
>I don't know why I like this game so much
Because it's amazing.
>when it's the source of everything wrong and terrible about modern games
What a stupid thing to say. I instantly disregard you as a person and think you're an idiot that has no idea what he's talking about.

>> No.9025296

>>9024736
Enjoy trying to catch a leaf between your fingers for 4 hours, faggot

>> No.9026402

>>9025296
>it took him 4 hours
NGMI

>> No.9026460

>>9020581
>Resident Evil is the spiritual successor to Goof Troop
>it's true because mikami directed both of them
Retard

>> No.9026471

>>9021460
yeah, yakuza has actual gameplay

>> No.9026485

>>9026471
>smash button
>watch 30 hours of cutscenes
Wow, surely the pinnacle of gaming

>> No.9026498

>>9020351
modern warfare 2 is better than all 6 before the ps2

>> No.9026504

>>9021476
Absolutely yes he’s correct. FIFA is literally always right at the top of the list in in Europe and third world soccer countries where PlayStation consoles dominate.

>> No.9026509

Gonna need you to elaborate, OP. Shenmue really doesn’t play anything like modern games outside of Yakuza. Are you solely referring to the QTEs?

>> No.9026520

>>9020275
I don't know but post #4 got it pretty accurately
>>9020347
you fucks are extremely cringe. Shenmue is super bad. They even made Judgment on PS4 with a more Ryo protag for you fags. There's no excuse to praise this game

>> No.9026523

>>9026520
What’s so bad about it?

>> No.9026529

>>9026460
Not that anon, but the Yakuza series is very clearly a successor to Shenmue.

>> No.9026531

>>9026523
dude are you kidding. it's a game where you go around asking peopl about shit. it reminds me of when you're looking for a job and have to go hit up stores and ask if they're taking applications
it's a game that leaves you with massive blueballs because nothing happens. And in 2022 after Shenmue 3 it STILL hasn't happened. It's a game that predates RE4 on the QTE bullshit. I've been calling it a game but it's not a game. It's a japanese neighborhood simulator. Anon, Shenmue fucking sucks

>> No.9026536

>>9026531
And how old were you when Shenmue first came out in 2000?

>> No.9026556

>>9026529
That doesn't excuse his retarded logic

>> No.9026605

>>9026509
How do you think it plays like Yakuza?

>> No.9026610

>>9026605
Yakuza also features a lot exploratory details in a distinctly Japanese setting. Lots of side stuff you can do like going to an arcade or a gambling parlor or whatever.

>> No.9026621

>>9026610
I agree that they both have a similar setting and mini-games, but the actual gameplay is very distinct IMO.
Yakuza has random battles, whereas Shenmue has much less, scripted battles.
Yakuza has you following waypoints to progress the story, Shenmue is all about talking to people.
The combat in Yakuza is very much built around canned combos/heat moves, whereas Shenmue is much more freeform (not to mention totally different inputs)
Even the pace/tone of the game is completely different with Yakuza being very over the top and silly, and Shenmue being super grounded and sombre with some supernatural elements.

>> No.9026630

>>9026621
Yeah, that’s fair. Shenmue’s DNA was the jumping off point, but Yakuza has obviously become its own separate thing.

>> No.9026634

>>9020275
modern refers to the 20th century

>> No.9027059

>>9026520
What does Judgement have to do with Shenmue? They're completely different genres of game.
Are you one of these fucking bottom of the barrel morons who think "ahhh they're both in Japan so they must be the exact fucking same, FNEEEERRRRRRR"
Twat.

>> No.9027069

>>9024736
>>9026509
Why is this so contentious? I'm not shitting on shenmue. But if you don't think shenmue is a direct inspiration for modern narrative cinematic experiences then you are high as hell. Again this isn't a slight against shenmue. I don't understand how my Op offended so many.

>> No.9027070

>>9026634
Okay philosophy freshman

>> No.9027090

>>9020275
Yeah it’s pretty much my favorite game of all time although it’s kind of terrible in a way. But there’s something so cool and almost tranquil about walking around 1980’s Dobuita streets in the rain.

>> No.9028115

>>9027069
I don’t know, I think Metal Gear Solid is more responsible for cinematic type single player games overall.