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So I scrounged up an old CRT to use with my snes and yeah it looks nice, but remind me again why I should use this and not a regular LCD screen?
also post good super nintendo games for a nigga with an abysmal collection

>> No.9001932

>>9001917
who cares? just play the game

>> No.9001946

Faster response time
Graphics look better on a CRT

>> No.9001950

>>9001917
If you don't see a reason for it then don't bother.

>> No.9001952

>>9001917
you scrounged it up retard, you tell us, dumb faggot

>> No.9001980
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>>9001917
>post good super nintendo games for a nigga with an abysmal collection

Contra III
Actraiser
Prince of Persia
Castlevania IV

>> No.9001991

>>9001980
>>9001946
cool, thanks homies

>> No.9001992

>Castlevania IV
Nah don't listen to that guy, play Dracula X

>> No.9002003

>>9001917
The CRT blur helps the pixel art but if you're playing real hardware on a modern TV then it's likely getting blurred anyway due to bilinear filtering. If you like the look don't worry about it.

>> No.9002012

>>9001917
>regular LCD screen
I will never get over CRTs being seen as some sort of boutique option.

>> No.9002031

>>9001917
>also post good super nintendo games for a nigga with an abysmal collection
Good Troop
Dino City
Spike McFang
Stunt Race FX
Pack in Time
Prince of Persia
X-Men
Super Godzilla
Pacman 2: the new adventures
Tetris Attack
Kirby's Dream Course
Killer Instinct

>> No.9002040

>>9002012
Okay man. Try buying one new. Take one in to be repaired. Tell me it isn't in earnest.

>> No.9002054

>>9001917
Super Metroid obviously.
Then if you have friends to play with, maybe pick up Mortal Kombat (whichever), and some Street Fighter (whichever).

>> No.9002213

>>9001946
>Faster response time
Retrotink makes it negligible to noon existant
>Graphics look better on a CRT
Subjective. Retrotink also has filters

>> No.9002278

>>9002213
The real thing > filters

>> No.9002385

>>9001917
I played some ps1/ps2 games on my lcd last week, it was unplayable...blurry as fuck stretched image and dull colours

>> No.9002408

>>9001917
>>9001946
>Retrotink makes it negligible to noon existant
Doesn't fix motion, always has still higher latency, there's no way around converters + panel latency

Just a objective fact

>> No.9002409

>>9002385
People always say how blurry the PS2 is but it’s sharp as fuck on my CRT

>> No.9002451

>>9001917
- The average LCD's built-in scaler will likely not handle 240p correctly, causing certain effects to not display correctly.
(This is most often seen in things that flash every frame, for example the flashing that indicates invincibility frames in most games.)
- If you want to use an external scaler, most don't handle switching between 240p and 480i instantaneously. Only the new and expensive RetroTink 5X and the DIY intensive GBS Control project handle this seamlessly. Not an issue for SNES, but a big issue for a lot of the PlayStation library.
- If you're using composite video, the CRT's screen will generally hide the ugliness and artifacts better than an LCD.
- Any old CRT will be 0 lag. You don't need some super specialized gamer model.
- Motion clarity is a given on CRTs. On flat panels there is black frame insertion that can somewhat improve this, but it's not a standard feature on any old LCD.

>> No.9002457

>>9002385
mgs was straight up busted when I tried playing on an lcd.
The blips for snake and enemies just don't show up on the soliton radar

>> No.9002459

>>9001917
nostalgia
also maybe input lag but only really if you're speedrunnin punchout or something
anyway as for games
chrono trigger
super punch out
super metroid
link to the past
mario rpg
mega man x1 through 3
mega man 7
mega man and bass (there's a translation patch)
castlevania 4
mario world
yoshi's island
dkc 1 through 3
kirby's super star
secret of mana
secret of evermore

>> No.9002487

>>9002459
>>9002031
thanks for the lists

>> No.9002490

>>9002451
I can tell this thing is going to be a life saver for my playstation

>> No.9002540

>>9001917
4K OLED with a scaler and "filters" or CRT.
Any system pre 7th gen works best with either of the two than any regular LCD screen, especially the response time.

DKC and DKC2
StarFox
Super Mario All Stars + Super Mario World
Rockman x Forte
F Zero

>> No.9002805
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9002805

Input lag isn't really a problem on most games, once in a while you'll encounter something like this that won't work without a CRT. But for a good 90% of games you can play them on a flat panel fine. Just keep a CRT around for edge cases like these,

>> No.9002848

>>9002490
Won't really matter for PS1 games because most run at 30 fps anyway. Input lag is mostly an issue if the game is 60 fps (so basically no 5th gen games)

>> No.9002883

>>9002459
Nostalgia is a good argument.
But so are motion clarity, no added latency and not having to use filters that newer nail it.

>> No.9002960

>>9002805
Quickdraw games show precisely why laggy setups are an issue. Think about all the precise jumps and combat reads you were just a frame or two too slow on.

>> No.9003170

>>9002848
I had mentioned PlayStation for the case where both 240p and 480i are used in the same game. Dead simple for a CRT, not so much for an LCD.
Choices for LCD is live with incorrectly handled 240p with the built-in scaler, live with the signal cutting out with an older external scaler, or buy/build a scaler that can handle that transition seamlessly.
With a CRT you just plug it in and it works.

>> No.9003173

Can't believe how many replies a false flag thread gets

>> No.9003184

>>9002848
Latency is an issue with any game, no matter when it was made. The less the better.

>> No.9003195

>>9003173
OP here, I'm being genuine

>> No.9003318

>>9003173
nigga what are you talking about?

>> No.9003407

>>9001917
>>9001991
why do you talk like that man

>> No.9003428 [DELETED] 

>>9002213
>negligible
>subjective
cope

>> No.9003431

I've used NES and SNES with flat panels and never really noticed performance issues outside maybe >>9002805. I can't comment on 5th gen consoles as I don't have any on hand currently.

>> No.9003474 [DELETED] 

>>9003428
> negligible
Cope you trash hoarding tranny.
https://youtu.be/b3tbcUszA2s
>>9003428
>>9002278
> subjective
N-no, my immeasurable opinion of how shit, dated technology obstructs the image is OBJECTIVE and has a RIGHT answer
Look, do whatever you want my guys but stop trying to bullshit everyone into justifying that your garbage is somehow worth something. That's reddit tier behavior.

>> No.9003479 [DELETED] 

>>9003474
>verbal diarrhea
>That's reddit tier behavior

Ironic.

>> No.9003496

>>9002408
Modern panel latency, especially in gaming mode, is miniscule. This isnt 2007 anymore. As for converters, most people try to use the TVs default built on one which is garbage.
Check out the video above. With a proper setup you can get within 5-10 ms of CRTs. Usong a Wii or a MiSTer, you can use runahead or take advantage of the Wii being more responsive to make that back up

>> No.9003501 [DELETED] 

>>9003479
> no argument
> reddit spacing
You sure showed me

>> No.9003557

>>9003496
I'm pretty sure serious input lag was never an issue after the Bush years. I do remember the early flat panels from, like, 2006 and they were fucking awful; stuff looked like distorted Lego blocks.

>> No.9003580

>>9002213
>>9003474
Saying that filters are comparable to a real CRT it's like saying a pocket pussy is as good as a real woman. You are deluding yourself.

>> No.9003582

>>9003407
I'm an urban youth, man

>> No.9003592

>>9001917
>it looks nice, but remind me again
??
you just said it looks nice
if you like it then use it

>> No.9003598

>>9003580
> you are deluding yourself
Just like hoarding 25 year old trash because its "objectively superior"?
It implies theres an "objective right" to filters at all. A filter is just a type of distortion. Is there an implication that authors intent is your SNES being distorted by a low end 90s RCA CRT tube is the only way?
In fact, no filter, at all, is also a completely acceptable answer here.
The only ground CRTs have is negligibly lower input lag which can be mitigated by better converters on modern TVs. The rest of the lag can be made up using more modern counterparts of hardware or hardware based emulation

>> No.9003725

>>9003557
TVs started getting really good for gaming after 2015 or so. TVs from 2010 still had about 40ms of lag even in game mode, it was terrible garbage.

>> No.9003731

>>9003580
Is that really the best analogy you could come up with?

>> No.9003761

>>9003474
>A FUCKING WII
kek

>> No.9003829

>>9003761
Watch the video you retard. SM64 registers lower input latency on a Wii than N64

>> No.9004949

>>9002408
You are aware that 60 FPS has inherent latency

Any modern LCD can easily compete with that

In fact, if you get used to 120 FPS motion from an LCD, most crts look jank

>> No.9004952

>>9003184
If you really believed that you would be gaming on a 500 Hz monitor

Which is LCD btw

Not a 60 Hz crt

>> No.9005058

>>9001917
How old are you
(Note I didn't use a question mark, I'm not literally asking you how old you are)

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>>9001992
>Dracula X faggots still shilling their inferior game

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>>9002054
>Street Fighter (whichever).

If you're gonna play Street Fighter might as well go for Super Street Fighter and get the biggest roster possible on the SNES, I don't think the cart is any more expensive than the other ones

>> No.9005141

>>9001917
It's up to you. At some point I realized I didn't really care that much about the CRT and I didn't really care about the graphical difference and now I just play the games without worrying about it.
To each their own, though. There's definitely an increased CRT == 1337 gamer thing going on now, but they are different so just use your own judgement and try to separate that from the hype.

>> No.9005775

>>9002213
Response times =/= Input lag you stupid cunt

>> No.9005780

>>9003496
>Modern panel latency, especially in gaming mode, is miniscule.
It's still shit for 8 bit games but the real problem is the motion.

>> No.9007348

>>9005775
Its a major component and you can achieve the same if not BETTER response time with the right hardware selection amd configuration, faggot

>> No.9008745

>>9007348
>MUH RESPONSE TIME
oh my god imagine thinking this matters for a fucking snes game
>ZOMG I NEED 0.01 PICOSECOND RESPONSE TIME FOR SUPER MARIO WORLD
>OH NO I BING BING WAHOOD THAT GOOMBA 1 FRAME LATE
lmao your shit stinks