/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8993659]

How exactly does the codec work? They establish that Snake can hear the other end by stimulating the bones of his inner ear, but the story has characters react to what is shown on the codec screen.

[Anonymous No.8993661]

nanomachines, son

[Anonymous No.8993662]

>>8993659
>being a lore fag
gross

[Anonymous No.8993665]

>>8993662
Remembering something that’s established in the game is not being a lorefag

[Anonymous No.8993667]

The "Did you like my sunglasses" scene really strains the believability of it being just a radio.

[Anonymous No.8993668]

>>8993659
>the story has characters react to what is shown on the codec screen.
Example?

[Anonymous No.8993681]

>>8993665
not skipping cutscenes is being a lorefag

[Anonymous No.8993685]

How it works and hows its used to tell the story are two different things, faggot.

[Anonymous No.8993694]

>>8993685
please watch your language, sir. calling someone a lorefag and calling them a faggot are two very different things. this is an inclusive board.

[Anonymous No.8993718]

>>8993694
Indeed, all faggots are welcome.

[Anonymous No.8993746]

>>8993668
See >>8993667

[Anonymous No.8993751]

>>8993667
my god why are you people so autistic and stupid
that's a silly 4th wall break for the player. snake doesn't even acknowledge it
>noooo but it happened in-game so snake HAS to react to it!!!
shut the fuck up. stop being autistic
captcha: p0ssy

[Anonymous No.8993753]

>>8993667
What about when Psycho Mantis talks about Suikoden? Does that strain believability?

[Anonymous No.8993754]

>>8993751
This. That can be explained with a 4th wall break. It might be an oversight as well. But there is no in-lore explanation for it.

[Anonymous No.8993759]

>>8993754
not an oversight. it's the original script and the rewritten one for TTS
literally just kojima being cheeky with the player
also this >>8993753
as well as campbell talking about controller ports and the back of the cd case
or those don't matter to you op?

[Anonymous No.8993770]

>>8993753
TURN THE GAME CONSOLE OFF RIGHT NOW THE MISSION IS A FAILURE
YOU'LL HURT YOUR EYES SITTING SO CLOSE TO THE TV

[Anonymous No.8993771]

>>8993659
The colonel tells Snake during the briefing that they'll monitor him and his surroundings using nanomachines. I think that's how they're supposed to see what Snake sees.

[Anonymous No.8993960]

>>8993759
>not an oversight. it's the original script and the rewritten one for TTS
I didn't necessarily mean it had to be a localization oversight, just playing fast and loose with the reality of the script, not really thinking about whether it makes complete sense. I try not to assume that creators are as spergy some of their audience, even extremely talented creators.

[Anonymous No.8993978]

Zoomers were a mistake

[Anonymous No.8993987]

>>8993659
nanomachines

[Anonymous No.8994002]

>>8993659
Can't they see what's going on using the soliton radar?

[Anonymous No.8994094]

>>8993668
snake says he didnt expected mei ling to be so cute,so he never saw her before when she talks to him on the codec.

[Anonymous No.8994126]

>>8994094
To be fair she does sound pretty cute, and MGS3 established the top-tier warriors can tell a lot just from voices.

[Anonymous No.8994232]

>>8994094
Yeah that's interesting, but it could also be explained away because Snake was at a base where he was in-person with Campbell and Naomi. At that point, he could have seen Mei Ling or - if she wasn't at the base, I kind of remember her being at another site - he could have seen a picture of her in the briefing dossier.

It's a bit of a reach, but the script allows for it.

[Anonymous No.8994293]

>>8993659
1. It's called Radio in Japan so it's even clearer just like previous games. CODEC is something Jeremy Blaustein came up with and it's a cooler name than what Kojima came up with, so it was backported into the Japanese sequels.

2. It's a little radio with a two way video camera. What you see on screen is literally what they see.

3. The cast makes multiple references to seeing each other.

I have no idea why people make a big deal about this when the game has psychics and mecha robots firing nuclear warheads. Is the idea of a two way video transceiver that unthinkable? Out of all the sci-fi tech that was one of the most grounded.

[Anonymous No.8994585]

>>8994293
>It's called Radio in Japan so it's even clearer just like previous games. CODEC is something Jeremy Blaustein came up with and it's a cooler name than what Kojima came up with, so it was backported into the Japanese sequels.
He only came up with the name because he literally didn't know what 無線/musen meant and thought it literally meant "wireless". It was a bit of a fluke, which is ironic when you consider how he used to always brag about knowing more about military shit than Kojima and his military advisor Motosoda Mouri.

[Anonymous No.8994605]

Maybe the nanomachines take over ones retina and displays the other person they're talking to during codec?

[Anonymous No.8994621]

>>8994585
>always brag about knowing more about military shit than Kojima and his military advisor Motosoda Mouri.
Oh, he used to always brag about that huh? Shut up, you liar.

[Anonymous No.8994639]

>>8994621
>Shut up, you liar.
He deleted his old Twitter account, so all the receipts are gone, but the fact that Blaustein has a chip on his shoulder against Kojima for not hiring him back after MGS1 and using a different translation agency is not a secret.

[Anonymous No.8994680]

>>8993659
The codec is powered by special kong bananas

[Anonymous No.8994793]

>>8994639
Agness is such a fucking faggot. So glad she got black listed

[Anonymous No.8994820]

>>8993661
is this actually what the explanation is?
IIRC in MGS2 Raiden and Snake are facing each other and yet they switch to codec communication for some reason. I always just assumed Kojima was being lazy with the cutscene but there's a legitimate reason?

[Anonymous No.8994862]

>>8994820
It's probably a combination of both. Since most of the conversations in MGS2 are just two characters infodumping each other, they might as well save time from creating elaborate cutscenes by only rendering two talking heads.

[Anonymous No.8994992]

>>8993667
It's not, it can transmit visual data as well.

[Anonymous No.8995001]

The codec is presumably a physical unit, right? He listens in through nanomachines vibrating in his ear or something, but how is he dialling?

[Anonymous No.8995034]

>>8994293
>Out of all the sci-fi tech that was one of the most grounded.
It's also the least relevant to the plot and really has nothing to do with anything. Do people think Snake magically healing himself through rapid consumption and digestion of nutrients is a relevant aspect of the plot? Because eating rations for health has about as much impact on the plot as Codec's functionality and technical specifications do. It's like retarded fans of Dark Souls clamoring that X Y and Z bosses are actually Solaire cuz the game included a single one off reference to the guy. Not everything in a game is directly related to the plot, a lot of things are just simple concessions to make the experience better for the player.

Is Snake really eating an entire ration mid-combat to instantly heal gunshot wounds? Or is this a gameplay concession so the game is actually fun to play and you don't get an instant game over the second Snake's femur gets grazed by a bullet. Is Snake really having a 20 minute long conversation with a gameboy walkie talkie while armed guards are pointing guns at him, or is this handwaving so the audience can enjoy the story?

[Anonymous No.8995053]

just werks

[Anonymous No.8995147]

there no other explanation besides videogame dream logic. In universe it's treated like a micro earpiece but it has a camera interface no one ever acknowledges, and it magically stops time to allow snake to have drawn out conversations during close quarters combat.

[Anonymous No.8995325]

>>8994862
Probably reading too much into it and the whole simulation aspect of it but it almost makes it seem like codec communication is completely virtual, that the characters aren't actually speaking but rather projecting their voice and mannerisms over the call.
Because if they're standing face to face yet choose to communicate over codec, there's no reason to use it unless they can talk without anyone overhearing.

[Anonymous No.8996407]

>>8994793
Agness Kaku fucking sucks, that's true, but Jeremy Blaustein shouldn't get away scot-free either. There's no reason he couldn't just praise Agness Kaku or defend her translation without throwing that passive-aggressive dig at Kojima. Instead, he encourages her shitty behavior by acting like they're both better than the original writer. It's kinda ironic, considering Blaustein trashed MGS2's translation (without having even played it) on that Pushtotalk podcast, but decided to buddy-up with her after learning about their mutual dislike for Kojima.

If they want to brag about the fact that they came up with the name "codec" (even if it was a fluke) or they snuck-in some epic quips that weren't in the Japanese script, that's fine by me. But to pretend that they came up with the politics, themes and characters of MGS1-2 all of their own is laughable to anyone with a half a brain.

Makes me wonder if everything Guy Cihi said about Blaustein being so difficult to work, to the point that the Japanese Konami staff secretly hated his guts, could be true. It would also explain why redid the voice acting for Twin Snakes if he was shitty at signing contracts.

[Anonymous No.8996642]

>>8994293
Kojima should remake the NES titles

[Anonymous No.8996662]

>>8996642
Kojima is no longer working with Konami so he has nothing to do with snake or the Metal Gear series any more
If you want to play the good versions, play the MSX titles which are included in subsistence

[Anonymous No.8996678]

>>8996642
you mean the MSX games? The NES games arent real metal gear games.

[Anonymous No.8996679]

>>8993659
Was Meryl raped in MGS? What could be worse than torture? Ocelot was also talking about "having fun with her" after pointing out she was a woman
That's pretty fucking dark

[Anonymous No.8996716]

>>8993659
>>8993771
>it's nanomachines, I ain't gonna explain shit

[Anonymous No.8996725]

>>8996662
>If you want to play the good versions, play the MSX titles which are included in subsistence
>Playing any version of Metal Gear 2 without Mel Gibson Snake
Don't be a fag and just emulate them! MSX emulation is not that hard.

[Anonymous No.8996739]

>>8993659
Isn't it a watch with an earpiece? I thought that was pretty fucking obvious. In the first cutscene Snake kneels down, looking at his wrist and holding one ear.

>>8993667
Easily explained by being a watch with a display.

[Anonymous No.8996754]

>>8996739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ThS5BATgg
At 4:26 you can see the bit in question. To be honest looks more like >>8994293
He does raise his other wrist but that would be his right hand and watches are normally worn on the left.

[Anonymous No.8996761]

>>8996679
Ocelot seems too gay for Big Boss to rape a girl.

[Anonymous No.8996776]

>>8993659
If the sound is heard through the bones in their inner ear, then it can also go the other way, you can make an 'image' of someone's skull and send that to the other side too.

They're not *literally* seeing the other person, they're seeing an image in their mind's eye.

/thread.

[Anonymous No.8997076]

>>8996679
Yes but I'm not sure if that was included in the Japanese script. During your battle with Ocelo he will speak about reloading in a sexual manner, a way for writers to possibly forecast Meryl's rape.

[Anonymous No.8997084]

If you break Snakes bones, will his codec break?

[Anonymous No.8997112]

>>8997084
It would be extremely painful

[Anonymous No.8997129]

>>8997076
>reloading part
That just feels like an autistic villain monologue thing

[Anonymous No.8997353]

>>8997112
You're a big guy huh

[Anonymous No.8997613]

>>8993659
You've all got it wrong. Remember, this is Kojima we're talking about. Metal Gear Solid is meant to be a somewhat cheesy and funny but also serious 80's action movie where tropes, 4th wall breaking, and memorable one-liners are a given. That's why Psycho Mantis can shake your controller, and why Snake can "see" what you can see on the code, and don't forget the codec frequency on the back of the CD case. It's all a meta joke that film geeks like Kojima think is amazing, but it's really just stupid and takes you out of the game, if even just for a moment.

[Anonymous No.8997629]

>>8994585
That doesn't sound very plausible. How could the translator be that bad at his job. Radio is a pretty basic word.

[Anonymous No.8997640]

>>8997629
Most American translators choose what they want something to be rather than what it should be

[Anonymous No.8997945]

>>8997629
無線 does literally mean wireless, and there's also the loanword ラジオ/rajio, but the former is usually used in a military context as a shorthand for 無線通信
https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/18/20696081/metal-gear-solid-translation-japanese-english-jeremy-blaustein

[Anonymous No.8997949]

>>8997945
Also, when the fuck did they talked about doing a HALO jump in MGS1? That was only in MGS3 as far as I remember, which Blaustein didn't work on.

[Anonymous No.8998038]

>>8997949
It was for the Skullface sequence towards the end, you know, where he HALO jumped in to make sure you succeeded in navigating the final areas before Metal Gear REX.

[Anonymous No.8998089]

>>8993659

[Anonymous No.8998479]

>>8993681
>skips cutscenes
>based retarded arcade gaymer

[Anonymous No.8998743]

>>8993751
What are you barking about? He was addressing Snake directly. I'm gonna brick in your fucking mouth.

[Anonymous No.8998913]

>crawling around in pitch black vents filled with rats
>stop what you're doing and call liquid so he can tell you the importance of controlling your bodily functions
>campbell calls you and tells you to press the action button to shake your pp after you pee

[Anonymous No.8998932]

The real cool part is that bone conduction headphones exist now

[Anonymous No.8999597]

>>8998913
You forgot the part when Naomi tells you about the importance of foreskin hygiene

[Anonymous No.8999679]

the codec is half video game magic half nano machines. splitting hairs over the details ruins the fun. snake can obviously see thru it. that is why otacon's face gets zoomed in on for the elevator ambush among other examples listed here.call it a watch or transceiver or nano machines who fuckin cares. the only significant details are that it is 100% silent and the conversations happen in an instant

[Anonymous No.9000087]

>>8996679
>>8997076
I vaguely remember the implication Meryl was raped too, I think the writers did a soft retcon by just not referencing it ever and never confirming it one way or the other. They probably weren't expecting another 3 MGS titles featuring Meryl and didn't want her to be a rape victim going forward.

Unless this is in reference to the ending where you don't save Meryl, in which case it's non canon so it doesn't really matter I guess

[Anonymous No.9000113]

>>9000087
no, she says all that shit in the true ending after snake rescues her
in the bad ending, ocelot also says that "he's going to have fun with her"

[Anonymous No.9000289]

>>8994820
Supposedly they started running out of cutscene budget so to save cash they condensed a lot of it down to codec calls.

[Anonymous No.9000343]

>>9000289
which is just that much more tragic since they had to cut the big ending cutscene due to 9/11

[Anonymous No.9000384]

Just finished MGS1. I don't really get some things.
Why did the head of the military send Snake in there if he was planning to nuke the place, anyway? Was it to get rid of Snake, to bury les enfant terribles and everything else at once? Couldn't he just foxdie snake? Did he want the metal gear data on the disk?

[Anonymous No.9000414]

>>9000384
Also, if Snake is a perfected copy of the boss, why didn't Liquid use his genes instead?

[Anonymous No.9000423]

>>9000384
>determine whether or not the terrorists have the capability to launch a nuke...and stop them if they do
the government has to assume they can launch, a b52 or a missile coming in on radar would trigger a launch. An agent with an unknown kill virus, they figure the terrorists will let the slide and by the time they know what's really happening they're all killed by the virus. no nuclear incident to explain, metal gear and the exercise data are intact. When everything goes to shit and mg is destroyed they move forward with plan b.

[Anonymous No.9000476]

>>9000423
>the government has to assume they can launch
oh yeah, that's the original plan
after the twists I just dismissed it as another lie

[Anonymous No.9000762]

>>8996725
Stylized Shinkawa portraits are better than the original's trace jobs and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

[Anonymous No.9000979]

>>8996662
>10 fps
>retcons
>soulless font
ew

[Anonymous No.9000984]

>>9000762
I don't see why anyone would prefer the new portraits for any reason outside
>muh consistency. Nevermind the fact that the MSX Metal Gears have been retconned to hell by this point outside a few bullet points.
The MSX2 portraits are actually animated and fits the 80's war movie aesthetic the game is going for.

[Anonymous No.9001429]

>>9000414
>Also, if Snake is a perfected copy of the boss, why didn't Liquid use his genes instead?

Liquid didn't know that. And they need the original in any case.

[Anonymous No.9002332]

>>9001429
>Liquid didn't know that
How? He was the one who told Snake about Les Enfants Terribles, and had an inferiority complex about Snake having the dominant genes
Why would they need the original if these two were literally created to be the perfect soldiers?

[Anonymous No.9002342]

>>8996662
I'm honestly kinda surprised they just never tried to do anything with the MSX games beyond porting them.

[Anonymous No.9002435]

>>9000762
is that sean connery?

[Anonymous No.9002449]

>>9002435
no, that's poop cummery
there's also fucking rambo there

[Anonymous No.9002476]

>>9002342
yeah, mg2 is pretty sophisticated for a game from 1990 but it still kind of boggles the mind they never even did a flashback sequence for probably the most iconic event in the series, not a single promotional short, nothing outside of the original game.

[Anonymous No.9002498]

>>9002332
My charitable assumption would be that the cloning process had unintentional(and intentional) degenerative side-effects. They need to compare with the healthy base to figure out what's wrong with their genes.

[Anonymous No.9003784]

>>9002342
MGS is MG2 remake
MGS2 is MG2 remake
MGS3 is a remake of both

[Anonymous No.9003827]

>>9002435
>>9002449
Sean Connery, Dolph Lundgren, Danny Devito, Albert Einstein, Colonel Trautman, Sylver Stalone/Mel Gibson, Sgt. Bob Barnes, Virginia Hey. don't know who Master Miller, Kio Marv and
Gustava Heffner supposed to be

[Anonymous No.9003987]

>>9000762
Joe Rogan is first one in second row

[Anonymous No.9004289]

>>9003784
What?

[Anonymous No.9005156]

>>9000343
As far as I can tell they didn't really cut much. All I'm aware of is a shot of Arsenal Gear's crash course through Manhattan (you can see it in The Document of MGS2) and a news broadcast about the Statue of Liberty being moved

[Anonymous No.9005161]

>>9004289
Idk about the MGS3 part, but the rest is relatively accurate. MGS1 started off as an actual MG2 remake before being retooled into a sequel, and a ton of events throughout the final game still parallel MG2. MGS2 on the other hand is a remake of MGS1 in terms of plot, so again there are a lot of mirroring parts of the game. More of a stretch though. MGS1 and MG2 are extremely similar

[Anonymous No.9005471]

>>8993770
The weird part about this is that everyone seems to remember playing this part at 2 in the morning

[Anonymous No.9005582]

>>9005471
Unfortunately I already knew about the scene prior to playing, but yeah it definitely was past midnight when I actually saw it for myself the first time

[Anonymous No.9005689]

>>9003827
Christina Applegate. Fucking zoomers, man.

[Anonymous No.9006174]

>>9005161
That makes more sense. Though I'd say that MGS2 is more a deconstruction on sequels rather than an attempt to remake MGS1 or whatever he was trying to say since Kojima is messing with player's expectations as the story and gameplay progresses. MGS3 is clearly a MG1 remake, totally unrelated to any other games, hence Big Boss being a carbon copy of Snake but mostly retro-fitted to reflect Snake's first mission not to tangle Big Boss' infernal descent into that psychotic state that Snake faces off in MG2 (shamefully butchered in subsquent games).

[Anonymous No.9006271]

>>8996679
>>8997076
>>9000087
replayed mgs on my ps3 a few months ago and this definitely didn't happen. It's very obvious Ocelot's talking about just torturing Meryl, hence why that's the bad ending for giving into the torture, he was hoping she provides more resistance than Snake.

[Anonymous No.9006428]

>>9003987
And Leon Trotsky is next to him.

[Anonymous No.9006584]

>>8998743
literal autism

[Anonymous No.9007803]

>>9006174
Good point about MGS3, I didn't think too hard about it but you're right. I agree with your points on MGS2 as well.
>Big Boss' infernal descent into that psychotic state that Snake faces off in MG2 (shamefully butchered in subsquent games).
I honestly just like to pretend Peace Walker and MGSV don't exist. Peace Walker is just unnecessary filler and MGSV somehow manages to fuck up several games in the series despite how little story actually exists in it in the first place. For all the (admittedly justified) shit-talking MGS4 gets, it still doesn't fuck nearly as much up as MGSV does

[Anonymous No.9007846]

>>8993667
Easily explained by not caring

[Anonymous No.9007963]

but how does snake solid??

checkmake, comicon

[Anonymous No.9008473]

>>9007803
PW and V was basically when Kojima stopped giving a crap about consistency and just wrote what he wanted.

[Anonymous No.9008530]

>>9008473
dont you mean 4?

[Anonymous No.9008547]

>>9008530
4 was just Kojima pandering to people complaining about the inconclusiveness of MGS2's story. If you want technical, 3 was when he started retconnng shit.

[Anonymous No.9008558]

>>8994820
Holmesian: the codec in MGS2 lets you talk inaudibly by subvocalization
Doylist: budget

[Anonymous No.9008565]

>>8996739
>Isn't it a watch with an earpiece?
In the game no but I'd bet it's like that in the retarded novelization

[Anonymous No.9009729]

why do you bros over think this? It's just an updated version of the radio from MG2. Just imagine this thing but with a video display. The faces have video effects for a reason.

The codec screen was never meant to be this completely abstract thing. It's what the device actually looks like. It was not deemed important enough to actually model it in-game.