/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8990842]

Playing this in the 90s is the peak experience of my lifetime.

[Anonymous No.8990848]

That first playthrough was something special. The dorky renames, using just Tifa and Barret for most of it, not getting Vincent or Yuffie.

[Anonymous No.8991141]

>>8990842
This and Super Metroid were the only games I’ve written fanfics for.

Good fanfics.

[Anonymous No.8991201]

>>8990842
I replay it every couple years and the nostalgia feels are still powerful. Still get sore eyes a few moments in the game all these years later.

[Anonymous No.8991271]

>>8990842
This but with VIII instead of VII

[Anonymous No.8991562]

>>8991271
YOU NEED TO LEAVE

[Anonymous No.8991615]

I played it for the first time last summer, and it really was a great experience.

[Anonymous No.8991827]

It's also infinitely better than the remake.
Having replayed after playing the remake, watching them padding out the original into Jap jank.... And those fucking plastic bag monsters

Ugh

There are graphical moments that are so beautiful in 7... For example walking through the ruins of sector 7 really brought up the devastating effects of cloud and co being terrorists

[Anonymous No.8991840]

>>8990842
True. The PSX era was something else.

[Anonymous No.8991886]

>>8991562
But I'm the best looking guy here

[Anonymous No.8991960]

Literally playing FF7R right now. Just got to the part where they blew up the first reactor and doing some soul-searching. I think the ENG voice acting is excellent so far and the fidelity of the visual design seems to be there. The gameplay is also pretty fun, though I don't think it'll hold up throughout the entire experience.

What's everyone's gripe about it (besides it being incomplete)?

[Anonymous No.8991982]

>>8990842
I mean, it's a classic game, but... that's still pretty sad.

[Anonymous No.8992130]

>>8991960
Bait and switch. Never trust Square Enix, they will always disappoint you.

[Anonymous No.8992145]

>>8991960
>What's everyone's gripe about it (besides it being incomplete)?
Too much filler that ranges from pointless to awful. The original story had focus, intensity, and purpose especially for the midgar portion, the remake ruins that.

[Anonymous No.8992175]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=E6pP0YO8KGQ

[Anonymous No.8992209]

For me it was Suikoden II. Blew FFVII out of the water

[Anonymous No.8992220]

>>8991960
it looks like garbage
it's just garbage, 2020 is garabage, cope seethe dilate, I don't care old good new bad nothing you say will change that

[Anonymous No.8992234]

>>8992220
There's a lesbian down the street from me who was probably the character model for nuCloud.

[Anonymous No.8992248]

>>8991960
>What's everyone's gripe about it (besides it being incomplete)?

Everything involving the Whispers, Sephiroth, and the multiverse nonsense they added to the story. It's like the worst parts of Kingdom Hearts' writing, and not what I want out of a remake of FFVII.

[Anonymous No.8992256]

>>8991960
>What's everyone's gripe about it
it's genuinely bizarre that people ask this about a game that has nomura ghosts, midgar daylight, the cringiest dialogue ever written, 80% filler content, the lowest form of fanservice (that's right, it's not panty shots), a staggered release schedule and the pacing of a late night 4 hour telemarketing special

[Anonymous No.8992302]

>>8990842
Pretty much the entire generation that FF 7 accompanied was the pinnacle of the transition. It's why the video game industry still heavily lingers to the PSX/N64/Saturn era with the 2D=>3D that changed not only the lifetime boomers and millennials, but the entire focus of the wacky 90s era, Although FF 7 was redeemably better and had more focus, I hated the flashback segments. FF 8 was a fever dream too.

[Anonymous No.8992323]

>>8990842
>Name is "final" fantasy
>Has a zillion sequels
Disregarded due to false advertising

[Anonymous No.8992340]

>>8990842
Yeah it was good. Parasite Eve and Legacy of Kain were some other favorites but they make my eyes hurt now.

[Anonymous No.8992348]

>>8991960
It feels empty. It feels like a cashgrab and not something to please fans.

[Anonymous No.8992391]

>>8992209
Go back

[Anonymous No.8992397]

>>8991960
Gameplay-wise it's good with a few issues since combat can get repetitive once you get the gist of it. the real problem is GHOSTS NIGGAS and them shoehorning a somewhat Butterfly Effect to the game that is not part of FF7. The rest is fine to medicore to outright bad (lab/deepground is a BIG mention). It also misses some of the finer points of tension the original brought unexpected gore?/horror elements with JENOVA .

A travesty what they did and still feel it's just a reimagined FF7. Alas, this is what makes the OG keep it's spotlight.

[Anonymous No.8992409]

>>8992220
They put so much fucking effort into those pre-rendered backgrounds. The character models are lacking in detail but they're surround *by* detail so every screen has so much charm to it.

it was so obvious that would suffer with the remake. They have to worry about realistic hair and skin textures and recording sessions and physics engines, shit like the background of an elevator becomes a secondary concern. It's rendered competently but with no creativity. It's just a wall.

[Anonymous No.8992441]

>>8990848
Vincent I can understand, but yuffie is hard to miss.

[Anonymous No.8992552]

>>8991960
The sewers and train graveyard chapters are fucking awful and drag on far too long, and the latter specifically clashes horribly with the tone of the main plot.

[Anonymous No.8992786]

>>8991960
It's not a remake by any stretch. They allowed the guy who wrote the worst and most nonsensical plot in videogames to write this trash, and it already deviates from the original very early, and you guessed it, it makes NO FUCKING SENSE. Things just happen and characters say things and you don't know what the fuck is going on.

[Anonymous No.8992803]

>>8990842
Me too, Anon. Me too.
12yo, not one care in the world, life doesn't get any better than that.
Yesterday I started crying after I say a bunch of 12yo kids having icecream at a local mcdonald's right after school in their uniforms, just like I used to do, same exact table.

[Anonymous No.8992908]

>>8992803
Nothing like nostalgia over getting goyslop. I miss the family barbecues.

[Anonymous No.8992909]

im a zoom zoom and ive never played FF7 or any final fantasy game. my first game was[notretro] on a [notretro] console. i feel zero nostalgia for any of those times though because all those games were total trash. and i wasn't allowed to go outside until i was 17 not that there even was anything outside because no kids my age were allowed out either and all the local shit people use to walk to as kids was shut down either because of 2008 or some other bullshit reason. I spend most of my time jealous of anyone born before 1991

[Anonymous No.8993067]

>>8992256
to be fair that guy hadn't gotten to any of the awful parts yet.

[Anonymous No.8993073]

>>8991271
yeah I probably played through FF8 a dozen times doing stupid shit like abolishing the random rule in literally every place you can play cards, even in space, sitting on the one screen in galbadia garden where the students are doing pushups for a couple hours to see him counting over 100000
good times

[Anonymous No.8993080]

>>8992786
>>8992248
>>8992397
Well, I just got a glimpse of Sephiroth in the first hour of the game, so that was weird. However, I'm not opposed to the idea of FF7R's plot diverging: the OG exists and its plot is so well-known that, by copying it for the remake, it would likely become a cliche of itself. It seems like the biggest factor will be Nomura's writing — I've never played KH (fuck Disney lmao), so I don't have a strong opinion on him. But I liked FF7 and I like FFX, despite the latter being so emotionally candid and cringe at supernova levels.

>>8992552
The pacing will probably also be a point of contention. I'm a "more is more" guy when it comes to engaging with things I like, and a game set primarily in Midgar seems pretty cool. But goddamn if I don't hate levels that kill momentum. So I'll watch out for that.

[Anonymous No.8993196]

>>8993080
>the OG exists and its plot is so well-known that, by copying it for the remake, it would likely become a cliche of itself.
I really don't know where this meme came from. There is really no problem whatsoever telling the same story again, especially when you've already changed so much with the gameplay and production(aesthetics, etc.). There have been thousands of reproductions of Hamlet. There are many different interpretations possible even without editing the script at all. This is true of most stage plays and operas. The fact that people already know the story is not a sufficient reason to make substantial changes to it. That should have almost no bearing whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.8993297]

>>8990842
Ever since playing FFVII for the first time in 1997, I've been trying to find a game that gives me the same attachment to the characters and emotional impact. Xenogears came close when I played it a few years later, but I'm still searching for that same feeling as back then.

[Anonymous No.8993335]

>>8992234
Are you calling Cloud a femboy?

[Anonymous No.8993378]

>>8990842
this but with fft instead of 7

[Anonymous No.8993385]

>>8993080
The thing is that Nomura was kept on a leash during FF7 and FFX. Their stories are good in spite of him, not because of him. Kingdom Hearts is Nomura unfiltered. It makes no sense right from the first game, and gets much worse with each sequel.
FF7R made the same mistake of letting him be free and he fucked it up beyond all recognition.

[Anonymous No.8993429]

>>8993385
>Nomura was kept on a leash during FF7 and FFX
>FFX
Maybe story-wise, but not character designs. That's the game that started the belt memes.

[Anonymous No.8993431]

>>8993429
Seymour might be the gayest design he ever made.

[Anonymous No.8993449]

>>8993429
Nope. FF8 did.

[Anonymous No.8993712]

>>8991960
So glad I got it for free on PSN, even then I didnt bother completing it, absolute bag of shite

[Anonymous No.8993769]

played it for the first time in 2020 and fucking loved it all the way through
the motorcycle scene and the sub minigame are impressive as shit even today

[Anonymous No.8993775]

>>8993449
The signs were all there starting with VII, but with VIII it was clear Nomura had a "style" and he wasn't going to be pulling back the throttle. X was where it started getting ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.8993792]

>>8993073
>abolishing the random rule in literally every place you can play cards, even in space

you almost have to do that if you're going to try the QOC sidequest. I did it once but usually give up after getting the first couple cards from her anymore. Having to reset every time she goes somewhere besides Dollet is just tedious and it's not like you can't break the game with or without her cards. It still kind of bothers me leaving things undone, though

[Anonymous No.8993830]

>>8993196
Hamlet is one of the most central texts to human psychology, while FF7 is (all things considered) just a video game story. Plus, there have been many insane and lauded retellings of Hamlet (Tom Stoppard's foremost among them). Hamlet itself was a retelling of an earlier play: the 'Ur-Hamlet', possibly written by Shakespeare himself. The Ur-Hamlet, in turn, owed serious narrative debts to various ancient folktales.

Beyond Hamlet, it's simply not true that plays and stories are not revised and retold. How many versions of Romeo and Juliet are there? Wagner, who is one of the greatest composers for opera, not only revised the story of Tristan and Iseult but also the entirety of the Ring Cycle. Puccini's Madame Butterfly, revised from a short story, was itself adapted seven ways to Sunday by David Cronenberg, of all people. Don't even get me started on Homer...

I understand your frustration if FF7R really is poorly adapted — how many times have we seen "Shakespeare, but black and gay"? But your point makes zero sense: the entire history of storytelling is one of endless adaptation, revision, integration with newer perspectives, etc.

[Anonymous No.8993856]

>>8993830
>Plus, there have been many insane and lauded retellings of Hamlet
Yeah I'm not saying you can't change it.
Just that you don't have to. The fact that people have seen it before is not reason enough to change it. You need to have a good reason, and there isn't one for FF7R.

[Anonymous No.8993894]

>>8993856
Fair enough, but the fact that Hamlet is evergreen does not necessarily hold true for something like FF7. I agree that a faithful reproduction is far better than a bad adaptation, but I think an interpretation that is both good and faithful to the spirit (though not the letter) of the text can be better than either. That said, I already have reason to doubt that FF7R is going to be a good interpretation, though I won't judge it until I finish it.

Also I think I misread your post earlier, sorry.

[Anonymous No.8993901]

Which party has the most kino banter?

Cid/Vincent?
Barrett/Red XIII?

[Anonymous No.8994829]

Shakespeare has survived many adaptions over centuries, and now it's all ruined. It's dead, because the
people who made previous adaptions knew
Shakespeare's text spoke for itself,
but now it's seen as irrelevent if it doesn't speak to 2022 politics and have an all female cast etc.

It's more like graffiti than adaption.

[Anonymous No.8994870]

>>8994829
>current year politics
The Culture War is the rot in the State of Denmark. China is Fortinbras.

[Anonymous No.8995052]

>>8993449
This is correct, belt meme started here. No one can fucking tell me Nomura didn't do this skirt design purely as a fuck-you to his critics.

[Anonymous No.8995269]

>>8990842
I did too, but nowadays I’m only able to replay it on PS4 with 3X battle speed and random encounters mostly kept off. I would never have the patience now to play the PS1 original.

[Anonymous No.8995276]

>>8990842
cloud gets raped in the hot tub lol

[Anonymous No.8995370]

>>8995276
no he just has a wonderful bath with his new friends
it's the fuckin' room that he gets raped in

[Anonymous No.8995471]

>>8990842
Playing Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath of the Lich King with a close group of rl friends can't be topped.

[Anonymous No.8995480]

>>8991960
Sephiroth, who is the looming force, the legendary warrior you can't hope to defeat, the one man army, the shark in jaws.... runs into you in Midgar.

This completely fucks up the pacing and suspense of introducing him as a villian that the original got right.

[Anonymous No.8995649]

>>8991271
I spent literally two hundred hours on the card game before fighting Ifrit.

[Anonymous No.8995653]

>>8995052
>That exposed leg and stocking
I don't think I've ever been more erect.

[Anonymous No.8995974]

>>8992909
At least you can see what you've missed. A lot of your generation prefer to stay blind, and this stubborness makes them look dumb.

[Anonymous No.8995982]

>>8990842
Real question.
Is Nanaki a dog or a cat after all?

[Anonymous No.8995989]

>>8992441
Her random encounter might be hard to miss, but knowing the answers to all her questions and that answering correctly would lead to recruitment isn't.

[Anonymous No.8995991]

>>8991271
fuck off man, 8 was utter dogshit, the card minigame was about the best bit

[Anonymous No.8996015]

>>8995052
She sure is sexy, can’t deny that

[Anonymous No.8996526]

>>8995653
>>8996015
>looking at the woman instead of her skirt
are you guys seriously this heterosexual

[Anonymous No.8996535]

>>8995989
I've never seen this art at such high res before. Didn't realize there was a shitty shoop of the Wutai background in it.

[Anonymous No.8996543]

>>8996526
Yes, sexy girls make me go UNGA SMASH

[Anonymous No.8996709]

>>8993894
The real thing they should have focused on was improving the dialogue so that the commonly confused sections/themes are much clearer. Eg Sephiroth/Jenova, Hojo's backstory, the role of Zack etc

[Anonymous No.8996740]

>>8995991
Wrong

[Anonymous No.8996871]

>>8995480
Can't argue with that. I think what they're going for is some sort of meta-sequel that presumes familiarity with the original. If you had played the OG, then you wouldn't have that suspense around Sephiroth anyways. Not a Spielberg fan so I haven't seen Jaws, but I assume it's like how every horror movie gets less scary after the monster is shown. But the monster's already been shown: Sephiroth is in Smash Bros ffs.

To be fair, "Remake" is a shitty label if that is indeed what they're going for. But I guess they're technically "remaking" the game.

[Anonymous No.8997292]

>>8992209
Same. I got Suikoden 2 at launch after reading about it on RPG review sites. I did two runs, first without guides, and a second run to get all 108 characters.

>>8992391
Terrible take. Suikoden 2 is the world's best 32-bit JRPG, maybe the best JRPG ever. It's also not some obscure title, I owned a copy back then (still have it).

[Anonymous No.8997871]

>>8997292
>world's best
>JRPG