What is a man?

[Anonymous No.8975818]

What was Dracula asking by this?

[Anonymous No.8975820]

>be chud
>only son turns out to be a fag
Pottery.

[Anonymous No.8975828]

>>8975818
human nature eludes and mystifies (enrages) the divine/immortal
humans are irrational
kinda neat

[Anonymous No.8975854]

>>8975818
he was really asking why the localizers made shit up
but it was pretty funny so i'm not complaining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVLqfj6_AOw

[Anonymous No.8975857]

>>8975818
in all fairness,
i would be pissed too
>humans kill me
>humans revive me
>humans want to kill me

[Anonymous No.8975889]

>>8975818
Dracula doesn't know what a man is. He's not a biologist.

[Anonymous No.8975939]

>>8975818
Have you even played the game? It's a rhetorical question. Richter Belmont accuses Dracula of stealing men's souls. Dracula is implying that men are unworthy of the concern Richter is showing for their wellbeing.

[Anonymous No.8975942]

>>8975854
It's a good line, an improvement on the Japanese.

[Anonymous No.8975968]

>>8975942
>>8975939
>>8975828
there is no hidden meaning

dracula literally explains himself in the next text box- hes annoyed that humans keep fucking with him for no reason & would rather have stayed dead instead of being revived. then proceeds to kill the belmonts and fuck maria

[Anonymous No.8976005]

>>8975968
>retarded weeb is into cuck shit
clockwork

[Anonymous No.8976014]

>>8976005
i dont think the entire vampire mythos survived for thousands of years because the entire planet is into "cuck shit" anon

immortality, seduction, carnal shit
im not even an edgelord & v conservative
vampires are cool

[Anonymous No.8976036]

The fuck are you all even talking about? Dracula meant that humans are all dishonest hypocrites who keep secrets from their own kind and don't trust each other. 'A miserable little pile of secrets' literally means that they keep secrets from each other

[Anonymous No.8976048]

He was quoting Andre Malraux.

[Anonymous No.8976061]

>>8976036
so dracula was woke &
literally called out the elite ruling class of pedofiles and murderes

[Anonymous No.8976093]

>>8975968
>hes annoyed that humans keep fucking with him for no reason

I believe that he said in some earlier game that his destiny is to always come back from the dead because that's just the way things are. World can't exist without evil and there should be good that fights evil which are Belmonts.
What happened to that attitude?

[Anonymous No.8976227]

>>8975854
It’s good dialogue you pleb

[Anonymous No.8976232]

>>8975939
Why the fuck are there answers besides this one? The line is blatantly obvious.

[Anonymous No.8976237]

>>8976232
Because it's an easy springboard for shitposting.

[Anonymous No.8976253]

>>8975942
>>8976227
i literally agree but it's also retarded
but it's funny retarded

[Anonymous No.8976274]

>>8976093
after the 10th game you wouldnt be over it?

[Got e No.8976275]

Dracula in the year 2022: what is a woman?

[Anonymous No.8976276]

>>8976232
>english teachers answer
>>8975828

[Anonymous No.8976280]

>>8976275
a miserable pile of gaping hole where there used to be a penis

[Anonymous No.8976284]

>>8976274
He knew what he was getting into when became a Lord of Darkness. No backsies.

[Anonymous No.8976303]

>>8976284
satan is the king of lies
maybe dracula got fucked over

[Anonymous No.8976306]

>>8976276
so annoying though
academia is a fraud

>thou shalt not kill
english teachers: b-but what did he MEAN by that? like, in an allegorical sense- ill need 10 pages on this for 25% of your grade due next thursday

[Anonymous No.8976324]

What makes a man, is it the power in his hands?
Is it his quest for glory?..

[Anonymous No.8976325]

>>8976306
>I don't understand symbolism
Anon, your teacher was taking complex literary works and trying to dumb them down enough for a teenager make some form of commentary on. Not everything is as straightforward as games and anime.

[Anonymous No.8976327]

>>8975942
>>8976227
It is. Dracula is wrong about religion, though. I mean, he's literally the devil, so that's not exactly a bold claim, but people do tend to sympathize with the villains in videogames.

[Anonymous No.8976329]

>>8976325
ah yes the symbolism of NOT murdering
what does it represent again?
english majors are all jews

[Anonymous No.8976332]

>>8976232
99% of /vr/ is utter fucking trash. A sea of irredeemable human garbage. A thread discussing the meaning of a bit of pseudo-philosophical dialogue in an actual game is INFINITELY more interesting than insipid whining about crts vs filters, collecting irrelevant plastic garbage, and "hurr durr u know that popular beloved game? akshually it sux hehe me get contrarian points now".

[Anonymous No.8976335]

>>8976329
Anon I have no idea what book you are talking about. Can you actually name one that you think your teacher overanalysed?

[Anonymous No.8976338]

>>8976327
not literally
like all vampires he made a pact/choice
& technically he would be the least wrong about religion as he confirmed satans existence himself by accepting unnatural demonic abilities

[Anonymous No.8976340]

>>8976335
anything they require you to read they do this anon

[Anonymous No.8976342]

>>8976332
this thread is still dildos

[Anonymous No.8976343]

>>8975942
>>8976227
Kill yourselves disgusting subhumans

[Anonymous No.8976352]

>>8975854
wow both lines are infinitely more memorable. how will the Japanese ever recover? the first line is probably something like "b-baka"

[Anonymous No.8976356]

>>8976343
Oh no no no did mommy take your switch away again, kiddie?

[Anonymous No.8976358]

>>8976332
I think boards like /vg/ or /tv/ are semi automated, feels like it's a bunch of bots doing a ping-pong of pregenerated phrases.

[Anonymous No.8976360]

>>8976340
Again, make an example. At the very least you must agree that things like Moby Dick or Heart of Darkness would make no sense without a symbolic reading.

[Anonymous No.8976481]

>>8975968
>>8976276
You're right, there is no hidden meaning. Dracula is very openly stating that despite being so smart and powerful and supernatural he still can't understand lowly humans because they don't follow rules. It's one of the most universal themes from Ancient Greece to Tolkien and beyond. The world is huge, man is small, and fights against forces beyond his comprehension, but these forces are also bound by rules and limitations.
I understand that academia tends to over analyse stuff in ridiculous ways but this is very much in the open in this case.

[Anonymous No.8976494]

Imagine reading Bram Stocker's Dracula and not understanding/acknowledging the symbolism. Completely missing the point.

Though obviously some academics theories are absolutely crazy and pants on head retarded, like that famous one claiming Dracula is gay. He literally has a small harem in his castle for christ sakes (or rather, satan's sakes?).

Originally Dracula was used to symbolize the fears of a specific culture at a specific time. Victorian era British were afraid that their world was going to hell with strangers coming to their country to fuck everything up (which Dracula does) and women having sex before marriage and loving multiple men. All the women doing that in Bram Stocker's get killed, and the only woman that survives is the respectable old fashioned, married and loyal one.

Later on Dracula was adapted to the fears of the current times at the time of the new works, this is why for instance the cross does not work anymore against Dracula in the Coppola version, christianity not having a key role in society anymore, there is no reason it should be considered the "good that saves against evil".

The Castlevania games, despite literally being called Dracula in Japan, don't really make any use of that. I think they missed the point because the themes of ANY adaptation never cattered to their culture, which is why they use and only reference the cosmetic aspect of things and instead use much simpler and classic tropes of "good vs evil", and focus on the "cool" aspect of the fights like in Vampire Hunter D.

[Anonymous No.8976508]

>>8976280
the time is now for castlevania edits. Gotta strike while the irons hot.

[Anonymous No.8976513]

>>8975889
Dracula is trans

[Anonymous No.8976515]

>>8976513
That's Dragula.
Dracula is a hyper masculine white male.

[Anonymous No.8976521]

>>8976513
Considering Dracula is the embodiement of the fears of a culture at a given time, a present day "4chan Dracula" could indeed be transexual.

[Anonymous No.8976530]

>>8976521
Though obviously, the dumb 4chaners that use transexuals as scapegoats, would completely miss the point, instead of understanding that they ARE supposed to hate him, they would claim a transexual Dracula is cattering to "twitter and LGBTQ+", so it wouldn't really work.

[Anonymous No.8976532]

>>8976494
Mostly on point though it was more the fear that british people were going to foreign countries and bringing back home and introducing to victorian british society foreign customs and vices than it was fear of immigration.

[Anonymous No.8976535]

>>8976530
You're literally posting here.

[Anonymous No.8976549]

>>8976521
>>8976530
Nah trannies already have Frankenstein's Monster
Literal body horror and the anxiety of being inadequate

[Anonymous No.8976558]

There is only one line in all of vampire fiction that beats "what is a man?" when it comes to how vampires see humanity.

[Anonymous No.8976562]

>>8976549

[Anonymous No.8976563]

>>8976494
>>8976532
I stand corrected, apparently Dracule really is about the fear of eastern european jewish immigrants, and the jews will be the first to tell you about it.

[Anonymous No.8976568]

>>8975818
He sees himself as a higher being, confident, with no fucks given. He sees man as weak, closed off, etc. He's a hedonist.

[Anonymous No.8976571]

>>8976568
He's right about mankind though. It's interesting that the heroes never have an argument to the questions he poses, they just resort to violence.

[Anonymous No.8976578]

>>8976571
You're missing the point by a mile, tranny

[Anonymous No.8976589]

>>8976521
That would be fucking hysterical and would generate a massive reaction. imagine that instead of biting someone and turning them into a vampire, he just simply fucks you

[Anonymous No.8976601]

>>8976589
People who actually give a shit about literature and theming would say that that's a bit on the nose.

It would be like if someone black wrote a fantasy story and made elves pale white invaders who try to enslaved everything they see.

[Anonymous No.8976610]

Ok edit time

[Anonymous No.8976618]

>>8976521
>>8976530
>>8976589
And that's why all pop culture sucks these days
You zoomers want nothing more than black and white, on the nose political activism, instead of subtle allegories and background social commentary, and think yourselves smart for "getting it".

[Anonymous No.8976619]

[Anonymous No.8976620]

[Anonymous No.8976621]

>>8975889
Do people not get that that was literally a sidestep to a question so she wouldn't get trapped in dumb political shit down the line?

[Anonymous No.8976635]

>>8976093
It's "the way things are" because humans always covet the power he holds and always bring him back to have a portion of it. It's like what [record scratch] says in the SMT games: he always comes back, not because humanity genuinely "needs" him, but because enough humans believe in concept of God being a massive dick that their sheer collective understanding of him always brings him back into existence.

[Anonymous No.8976636]

>>8976621
Wow look at Sherlock Holmes there solving the most puzzling political mysteries
Any other unique insight to share with us?

[Anonymous No.8976640]

>>8976306
What does "thou shalt not kill" actually mean, though? In the very same book that that commandment is passed down in, the Israelites kill a bunch of people and then get rules on stoning people to death in their own society.

[Anonymous No.8976641]

>>8976494
You're making me feel a little bit retarded anon. When I read then novel, I felt it was more about the shift from a traditional "religious" mindset and a modern "scientific" one, Van Helsing showing a way to reconcile the two. It never even occurred to me to look at Dracula like that.

[Anonymous No.8976651]

>>8976563
It was the fear of Slavics period, but because most Jews that Westerners know of came from Eastern Europe, a lot of those stereotypes ended up becoming Jewish ones.

[Anonymous No.8976658]

>>8976636
You'd be surprised how genuinely retarded people are.

[Anonymous No.8976660]

>>8976641
that is also a theme yes, albeit a minor one

[Anonymous No.8976674]

>>8975818
>What was Dracula asking by this?
He wasn't. Andre Malraux was doing the asking. I have no idea why people aren't aware of this being a reference and not a bad translation, especially this many years after SotN was released.

[Anonymous No.8976676]

>>8976618
I thought it was funny because it’s overt and offensive and obviously a parody as well it wasn’t supposed to be subtle

[Anonymous No.8976679]

>>8976601
I think it had a sort of South Park appeal. it being subtle again wasn’t really the point. I agree usually subtle is best but I just thought it was funny because it would spark outrage and it’s so blatant

[Anonymous No.8976683]

>>8976610
>>8976618
>>8976619
I wonder if there would be a payoff even worth it to make a slideshow like this where the dialogue is listed from one of the arguments or conversations from the what is a woman movie.

[Anonymous No.8976684]

>>8976683
Oh and complete with music of course and on YouTube as a video

“Why are you so interested in the truth, richter?”

[Anonymous No.8976686]

>>8976332

[Anonymous No.8976693]

>>8976674
>Andre Malraux
Drac's pretty well read if he's quoting a man who wouldn't be born for another 110 years.

[Anonymous No.8976694]

>>8976332
fr fr

[Anonymous No.8976696]

>>8976332
There is a difference between generic and OEM screws deal with it

[Anonymous No.8976697]

>>8976694

[Anonymous No.8976701]

>>8976610
>Ok edit time
fucking liar

[Anonymous No.8976720]

>>8976343
cwy mowe weeabo
you will never be a japanese
>>8976558
based
>>8976571
Sorry to go off a /tg/ tangent, but Dracula as a Beast and Belmonts as Heroes? Interesting possibility, maybe (except for Beast being a cringe trash game).

[Anonymous No.8976726]

>>8975854
god japan sucks so much dick

like 95% of its good image in the west comes from localisers

[Anonymous No.8976816]

>>8976658
No one is surprised. You show is every day.

[Anonymous No.8976868]

>>8976674
>They could've made Richter respond "A man is what he does" but didn't

[Anonymous No.8976879]

Jeremy Blaustein is a hack. The only reason MGS1 turned out to be good as it is was due to Scott Dolph breathing down his neck.

[Anonymous No.8976889]

>>8976571
He's half-right, and it's what I like about this particular conversation. Looked up various translations to Rondo's ending, putting it together with SoTN's original English beginning strikes me as an argument between the overly pessimistic Dracula and the too optimistic Richter. Even in Rondo, Richter doesn't seem to even consider the possibility that humans can be evil on their own before telling Dracula that basically everything is his fault and he should die, citing a sort of common faith between all of humanity revolving around precious love, respect and honor pushing them forward rather than Dracula's claims to greed and desire for power.
Dracula, whether he's super confident in Rondo or fucking furious in SoTN, is right to call bullshit on this; he wouldn't be coming back time and time again if humans weren't calling him back, and they wouldn't be calling him back if they were in fact good-natured. Richter brushes off power, but Dracula seems to understand that power IS important, even if he himself abuses the everloving shit out of the power he amassed through illicit means, a fact Richter can't look past. Dracula's own issue, though, is that he thinks this is all that defines humanity, and indeed, is all that should define humanity, as a way of life. Richter is right to point out that everyone living like that would just lead to complete, mutual destruction, and further, Dracula probably doesn't even recognize the possibility that people can choose good and righteousness over evil and wickedness and actually have it pay off, at that, and it doesn't help that he has Richter "humans are le good now excuse me while I go get brainwashed" Belmont to talk to instead of say, Simon. It's fitting, then, that Alucard of all people would have to step in and sit both their asses down, being better able to live out both sides of the argument.

>>8975818
But yeah, the short of it is, Dracula thinks humans are shit and can't be anything other than shit.

[Anonymous No.8976913]

>>8976481
>The world is huge, man is small, and fights against forces beyond his comprehension, but these forces are also bound by rules and limitations.
That's why bosses have attack patterns you have to memorize.

[Anonymous No.8976956]

>>8976275
Richter: "How should I know? I'm not a biologist!"

[Anonymous No.8976957]

>>8976275
A social construct created by the patriarchy!

[Anonymous No.8976962]

Translations are an interesting thing. People of course dislike it when they know the translator has altered the text. Though when they don't know this occurred they don't necessarily have a problem with the translated text in itself. And there tends to be a common occurrence in which the Japanese original text is bland as fuck, so it's not surprising that translators try to make it read more strikingly. Personally I don't mind the text being jazzed up a bit as long as the substance of what's being said isn't lost. I want something that reads enjoyably in English.

[Anonymous No.8976969]

>>8976962
Also there are occasions in which a more accurate translation becomes available (e.g. Cave Story) but people trash it because it isn't as flavorful as the original translation which took more liberties. I think in the end you can never please everyone and just have to follow the practices you think are best.

[Anonymous No.8976973]

>>8976969
Also, even though people commonly complain about wanting direct, accurate translations, there are occasions in which a more accurate translation becomes available (e.g. Cave Story) but people trash it because it isn't as flavorful as the original translation which took more liberties. I think in the end you can never please everyone and just have to follow the practices you think are best.

[Anonymous No.8977040]

>>8975818
>sotn has a fuckton of cool weapons that aren't just "swing sword in straight line"
>you will never see 99% of them because they're ridiculously rare
i'm playing through SOTN for the fourth time and I'm only just learning the Chakram exists, and it took me an hour to farm two of them on fucking Luck Mode, you know, the mode where you start with 119 Luck? What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.8977716]

https://legendsoflocalization.com/lets-investigate-a-miserable-pile-of-secrets/

>A quick look shows that the “What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets.” line wasn’t really in the original text. In fact, the English text strays quite a bit from the Japanese version. The original text is actually extremely common, standard-sounding stuff in Japanese entertainment. But this hamfisted use of love, respect, faith, and togetherness comes across a bit cornier when put into English. It’s hard to explain, I guess it’s a cultural difference.
>In any case, I’m guessing that the localizer picked up on this and tried to rephrase the text a little while trying to maintain the general point of the lines – that Dracula isn’t fit to lead humankind. The localizer’s good intentions sort of fell flat when it came to the voice acting, but then again this was the 90s, when serious localization and serious voice acting was just getting started.

[Anonymous No.8977729]

>>8977716
>The original text is actually extremely common, standard-sounding stuff in Japanese entertainment. But this hamfisted use of love, respect, faith, and togetherness comes across a bit cornier when put into English.
He's got that right. I can't help but roll my eyes whenever I read that kind of naive idealistic crap in Japanese games.

[Anonymous No.8977743]

>>8977729
>Dwarven vow #7: love and justice will always win!

[Anonymous No.8977784]

>>8977716
>Yes, I will write a thousand words without doing proper research and pull shit out of my ass because I love the smell of it for you all to enjoy!

Typical internet video game article

[Anonymous No.8977792]

>>8976962
Translations are getting a bad rep because the new translators are from ResetEra.
The website that was too woke for fucking Neogaf.

[Anonymous No.8977802]

>>8976558
>How many breads
That's not how English works.

[Anonymous No.8977804]

[Anonymous No.8977830]

>>8976962
It depends on how they do it. Too many just fill it with memes and act butt hurt when people call them out. plenty of good translators just a lot of very loud bad ones

[Anonymous No.8977859]

>>8977716
Jesus Christ, Tomato is such a brown-noser.

[Anonymous No.8977861]

>>8977830
The problem with so many memes and pop culture references is that they're just lazily inserted. They might seem relevant at the time but even by the time the game is out in English they're going to long since be out of date. They're not witty or clever. They're just I CLAP FOR THING I KNOW!!

[Anonymous No.8977893]

>>8977861
>They might seem relevant at the time but even by the time the game is out in English they're going to long since be out of date.
The same thing applies if there are references to things in the original text. Everything is a product of its time. I don't like this idea that you should consciously make something so that it seems disconnected from the time it was created.

[Anonymous No.8977905]

>>8977802
Direct translation from Japanese. You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.8977996]

>>8977804
Based Diogenes

[Anonymous No.8978268]

>>8976621
No, it means she literally believes in the trans delusion. Society is going to turn hard on troons once "just want to grill" dads realize their kids are being groomed.

[Anonymous No.8978375]

>>8978268
The "just want to grill" dads never gave a shit about their kids to begin with.

[Anonymous No.8978389]

>>8976816
>You show is
The irony is almost palpable.

[Anonymous No.8978831]

>>8978389
The facebook is almost palpable.

[Anonymous No.8978975]

>>8978375
You're wrong and I'm sorry about your family