/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8969813]

I'm coming to the end of my first playthrough of the game. Based on some reading, I elected to play the original Playstation version rather than the PC or Dreamcast port. My impressions aren't based on nostalgia, I'm coming into this pretty fresh.

Everything about this game is striking. The presentation is incredible for the PSX. The art direction is superb, and the texturing and lighting is some of the most polished on the system. Technically the game is a marvel, with open world streaming, and shifting between the two planes being particular technical achievements. Top notch voice acting helps elevate a compelling story, and the worldbuilding is well done. The dynamic between Raziel and the other characters in the story is great, and the setting of decaying Nosgoth is fantastically realized.

The frustrating part is the controls and combat. Movement is digital only, with lots of warm-up frames in the animations, making everything feel clunky and disconnected. Gliding is imprecise, and the specific way directional input is implemented means that the platforming is atrocious. There was one boss fight that involved precise jumping between pillars that took me a lot of attempts, just due to the rough controls.

Combat is very basic, with a few ways of taking out extremely passive enemies. There is a combo or two, but the vampires you fight can easily be avoided or dealt with and only function as minor stage hazards. There are also a few boss fights, with each one needing a specific trick to defeat them.

The real meat of the game is the environmental traversal and puzzles. While there is the occasional block puzzle or two, a lot of the progression requires clever lateral thinking combined with smart use of the plane shifting. This was my favourite aspect of the game, and finding some of the hidden areas really surprised me.

[Anonymous No.8969817]

>>8969813

One last thing to mention. It feels like the PSX is barely able to manage running this game. Framerate drops are constant and the draw distance is abysmal. While I am satisfied with the platform I chose to play it on, it's definitely worth taking a look at the PC and Dreamcast ports if you decide to play this game.

[Anonymous No.8969898]

>>8969813
>Movement is digital only
I thought it had analog movement? I remember being able to lightly press the stick and Raziel moved slower.

[Anonymous No.8969949]

>>8969898
It does have analog.

OP be sure to read about the amount of content lost between development and shipping. https://www.thelostworlds.net/SR1/index.html

[Anonymous No.8970024]

>>8969898
>>8969949

It really does have analog. I had just mistakenly not set up the emulator to use dual shock. I just wish I had known before beating the entire game.

[Anonymous No.8970045]

>>8970024
>I just wish I had known before beating the entire game.
I know the feeling, it definitely feels much nicer to control with the analog stick.

[Anonymous No.8970114]

>>8969813
>the worldbuilding is well done

The world was already built, Soul Reaver is a sequel to Blood Omen.

[Anonymous No.8970118]

>>8970114
It's also technically a totally new game as SR originally started as a separate IP and most of what you see is that new game, just taking place with the Pillars of Nosgoth in running distance.

[Anonymous No.8970129]

>>8969813
>and the worldbuilding is well done
one of the biggest fatalities of the cut content was the world building of the human settlement. as is it's given a couple lines of exposition from the elder good, you never communicate with any of them and it's just a backdrop for a single unrelated quest.

[Anonymous No.8970135]

>>8970114
A world built by a pedo.

[Anonymous No.8970148]

VAE VICTUS

[Anonymous No.8970150]

>>8970148
It's "vae victis", and he doesn't even pronounce it correctly.

[Anonymous No.8970159]

>>8970129
I thought it was super cool how the humans wont attack you for the entire game as long as you don't kill the crossbowman at the beginning.

[Anonymous No.8970175]

>Dark Prophecy - cancelled
>Dead Sun - cancelled
>Nosgoth - cancelled
>Tony Jay - deceased
>Paul Lukather- deceased
>Michael Bell - old as shit
>Amy Hening - left the series
>Denis Dyack- lost the series
>Steve Henifin - deceased
>Ken McCulloch - convicted pedo

no hope

[Anonymous No.8970194]

>>8970175
The series is cursed. Fucking idiots at Square Enix sold it for a bunch of fucking worthless NFTs.

[Anonymous No.8970212]

Any mandatory patches for the pc version?

[Anonymous No.8970227]

>>8970150
Okay Latin master.

[Anonymous No.8970229]

>>8970175
There's a chance there might be an unofficial attempt to at least construct the original intended length of the game using what's been found in the Alpha builds along with the dialogue audio that already exists.

[Anonymous No.8970237]

Raziel is naked, you just can't tell because his dick and balls rotted away. No wonder he was pissed at Kain.

[Anonymous No.8970301]

>>8970227
>>8970150
Thanks for latin us know.

[Anonymous No.8970314]

>>8969813
There is so much they left out of the game too. They had a selection of different reavers like 'kains' black and red reaver. New temples and other cool stuff. But they ran out of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aALarJayOWE&feature=emb_title

[Anonymous No.8970316]

When I was growing up and saw Soul Reaver screenshots in magazines I wondered why they all had Dreamcast watermarks on them despite the console in question being reviewed.

[Anonymous No.8970341]

>>8970316
There was a funny video of a Japanese person playing SR2 and he laughed and said "doriimukyasuto-ka?" about the health spiral.

[Anonymous No.8970367]

>>8970150
You're wrong. That's how they pronounce it correctly in Nosgoth.

[Anonymous No.8970546]

>>8970175
You forgot
>Rene Auberjonois - deceased

[Anonymous No.8971249]

>>8970175
>Dead Sun - cancelled
Let's be fair, I've seen the teaser for that, it's a good thing it was cancelled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBN8N2NXfi4

[Anonymous No.8971261]

>>8970194
Please tell me that they didn't actually do this.

[Anonymous No.8971459]

>>8969813
Glad you enjoyed it, anon. I got to play it when it first came out and it was really impressive a the time, although like you said it was more to do with the world and design than the gameplay, which was always kind of clunky. The story and voice acting especially were on another level.

This was really the first game I remember besides Metal Gear Solid that really felt "cinematic" at times and for me the story was even better because of the gothic horror and lovecraftian elements which were so different from the sort of story you'd get out of Zelda or FF. Although I was a little cheesed that it ended on a cliffhanger that didn't get resolved until the next console generation.

Any anons read Brian Lumley's Necroscope books? The ones that that took place on the vampire homeworld had a very LOK vibe to them.

[Anonymous No.8971462]

>>8971261
They most certainly did, along with Tomb Raider and Deus Ex.

[Anonymous No.8971485]

>>8970546
NOOOOOOO!!! I had no idea he died! We lost both Janos and Odo. :(

[Anonymous No.8971560]

>>8970175
I loved the voice of the Elder God
But he died
And the guys who played Janos and Vorador
then he died
And the guy who wrote the music
Yeah he died

[Anonymous No.8971573]

>>8971462
anywhere they went couldn't be worse than squenix.

[Anonymous No.8971585]

>>8971485
What? Whaaaaaaaaaaat? Why do you sound like thaaaaaaaaaaat?

[Anonymous No.8971848]

"Time fades even legend, and the origin of the Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains - to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes. Kindred, this blade and I."

[Anonymous No.8971852]

>>8971848
Fictional sword forging is so gay.

[Anonymous No.8971882]

>>8969813
>Based on some reading, I elected to play the original Playstation version
Sounds like you're really bad at reading.

[Anonymous No.8971895]

>>8971852
Out of my way peasant! The stench of the fields hangs over you like a pall!

[Anonymous No.8972346]

>>8971882

Oh, my decision had nothing to do with picking the most technically superior version. I would have just emulated the Dreamcast port if that was the case.

I was just really interested in how the technical limitations of the PSX would shape the experience, and I also dig the gritty pixels and dithered aesthetic. The dynamic music is also nice to have as well. I also wanted to try experiencing it the same way most people played it back in the day, chunky pixels and all.

[Anonymous No.8972674]

>>8969813
>>8969817
i really love this game and blood omen 1.

[Anonymous No.8972789]

>>8971560
Pete died too. RIP in peace.

[Anonymous No.8972829]

Of all the games to receive a big budget Hollywood rendition, I always thought would be the 'Legacy of Kain' series. Sadly, I do not think it will ever happen.

[Anonymous No.8972856]

>>8972829
That's a good thing. Hollywood ruins everything its insidious tendrils touch.

[Anonymous No.8972857]

>>8972346
I think the PS1 version looks the best seriously, the fog suits the atmosphere and I don't think the Raziel and Kain models in the DC version look that good.

[Anonymous No.8972865]

>>8972829
and that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.8973005]

There's still so many unanswered questions in this series.

Why did Moebius allow Vorador to slaughter the Circle?
How did Turel end up in Avernus?
Why wasn't there a temporal distortion when Kain encountered Janos?
How is Vorador still alive?
How high do the Pillars reach into the sky?
What happened to the Elemental Fonts?
Who is the Seer? Was she a vampire or a Hylden?
Why did Moebius build the Eternal Prison?
Are there lands other than Nosgoth?
Why doesn't future Ariel remember Raziel?
Was the Sarafan Lord the same Hylden who possessed Mortanius and Janos?
If Ariel was absorbed to become the Spirit Reaver, how is she still in the future?
How did Kain survive the removal of the Heart of Darkness?
Why didn't the Elder God consume Janos' soul in the five hundred years between his death and resurrection?
Does the Elder God exist out of time since he claims to have resurrected Raziel in the future and speaks with him in the past like he's already met him?
Could Kain cause a paradox if he ever fought with his younger self?
If Kain is cleansed of Nupraptor's psychic corruption by the Spirit Reaver, does that mean he's no longer "evil", or at least no longer a psychopath?
How are there multiple Hearts of Darkness in Blood Omen?
Why didn't the Ancient Vampires just explain the actual purpose of the Pillars to the humans?
How is Kain going to defeat the Elder God and restore the Pillars?

[Anonymous No.8973010]

>>8973005
Have sex.

[Anonymous No.8973021]

>>8973010
Can't right now, your mom's asleep.

[Anonymous No.8973146]

>>8973005
>How did Turel end up in Avernus?
Azimuth the Planer summoned him
>Why doesn't future Ariel remember Raziel?
Timeline changed
>Was the Sarafan Lord the same Hylden who possessed Mortanius and Janos?
Yes
>If Ariel was absorbed to become the Spirit Reaver, how is she still in the future?
She’s not anymore, see above
>Why didn't the Elder God consume Janos' soul in the five hundred years between his death and resurrection?
Presumably he can’t and Janos just hung around his body like Dumah and the Vampires whose souls aren’t eaten by Raziel in SR1
>If Kain is cleansed of Nupraptor's psychic corruption by the Spirit Reaver, does that mean he's no longer "evil", or at least no longer a psychopath?
Presumably
>How are there multiple Hearts of Darkness in Blood Omen?
Because they’re just extra lives in that game don’t take it too literally
>Why didn't the Ancient Vampires just explain the actual purpose of the Pillars to the humans?
It doesn’t matter, humans seem vulnerable to Hylden fuckery in some way vampires aren’t . Vampires are cursed to prey on humans so humans are never going to like them

[Anonymous No.8973258]

>>8973021
:O

[Anonymous No.8973507]

>>8973005
Pretty sure there's an in-universe explanation for Kain's role as the Scion of Balance being unaffected by the removal of the Heart of Darkness.

In all seriousness that was a really, really corny way for Defiance to reference BO1 but that's beside the point.

[Anonymous No.8973517]

>>8973005
Pretty sure there's an in-universe explanation for Kain's role as the Scion of Balance being why he is unaffected by the removal of the Heart of Darkness.

In all seriousness that was a really, really corny way for Defiance to reference BO1 but that's beside the point.

[Anonymous No.8973520]

>>8973005
>Why wasn't there a temporal distortion when Kain encountered Janos?
It's Raziel the one causing the distorsions, not just the reaver.
>What happened to the Elemental Fonts?
Destroyed by the Elder God when Raziel rebelled against him in Defiance. There was going to be a cutscene explaining it but it was cut.
>Who is the Seer? Was she a vampire or a Hylden?
She's a hylden vampire.
>Was the Sarafan Lord the same Hylden who possessed Mortanius and Janos?
Yes.
>How did Kain survive the removal of the Heart of Darkness?
Maybe the heart was only needed to return him to life, and did nothing after that.
>Why didn't the Elder God consume Janos' soul in the five hundred years between his death and resurrection?
Vampire souls cannot be eaten by EG until the body is destroyed, and even then they have to go through one of his servants, like Raziel.
>Does the Elder God exist out of time since he claims to have resurrected Raziel in the future and speaks with him in the past like he's already met him?
Yes, he's atemporal.
>Could Kain cause a paradox if he ever fought with his younger self?
If both are holding a reaver with Raziel's soul inside, yes; it's what happened with William.
>How are there multiple Hearts of Darkness in Blood Omen?
It's just a gameplay element, ignore it.

[Anonymous No.8973557]

>>8973005
>How is Kain going to defeat the Elder God and restore the Pillars?

Obviously, he won't, that shits never getting another game ever again. But I'd assume the only way for you to be able to kill the elder god is to also make yourself beyond time and space as well. I'd imagine the game would have revolved around you trying to ascend so you can kick his ass and inadvertently take his place. Kain is deified indeed.

[Anonymous No.8973757]

>>8973557
We really should have, at max, only gotten 2 Soul Reaver games that tied everything up (and that's assuming SR1 released with its original ending).

[Anonymous No.8974207]

>>8972346
It was a good call, anon. Soulr Reaver may have got ported but LOK is a Playstation franchise first and foremost and that is how most people experienced it

[Anonymous No.8974254]

>>8973520
>It's Raziel the one causing the distorsions, not just the reaver.

But if two of the same object meet a distortion is created, and Kain and Janos both have the Heart of Darkness within them.

[Anonymous No.8974315]

Some more questions.

Why does Janos recognize Raziel when they first meet?

Does Kain know that Vorador forged the Reaver? If not, then why didn't Vorador tell him?

Why didn't Kain take Umah's Dark Gift?

Are there other fragments of the Balance Emblem, perhaps pertaining to the other Pillars?

[Anonymous No.8974415]

>>8970301

[Anonymous No.8974463]

>>8973557
>become strong enough to defeat abstract concepts like time and god
That is some anime shit and I'm sad it never happened.

[Anonymous No.8974595]

>>8973757
Nah the story was good enough that I didn't mind the idea of it getting extended past a trilogy. It had enough potential to support a ongoing franchise, they just needed to build better games around it.

Although I still would have wanted it to have a definitive ending and not just extend to infinity like Assassin's creed or something. Maybe 2 more games after Defiance on the PS3 would have been good. I wanted to see Nosgoth in HD.

[Anonymous No.8974718]

>>8974595
kain defeated the elder god and broke the wheel, the stuff with the hyldens would feel like more of an epilogue/expansion after that.

[Anonymous No.8974727]

>>8974718
Younger Kain already dealt with the Hylden in BO2, and the EG said he cannot be killed and he will one day claim Kain's soul.

[Anonymous No.8974730]

>>8974727
BO2 is shit and I don't consider it canon

[Anonymous No.8974768]

>>8971462
>along with Tomb Raider and Deus Ex
Kill me.

[Anonymous No.8974791]

>>8970175
>>8971560
Michael's performance in the intro is so good that it has lasted in my mind ever since its release. Nothing better in a game since.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-ObzoPjA0

[Anonymous No.8975861]

>>8974791
That's beautiful, man.

Why the FUCK don't we at least get an HD remaster collection from whoever owns the rights now? How hard can it be?

[Anonymous No.8975876]

Should I play Blood Omen 2 or skip it for Defiance next

[Anonymous No.8975879]

>>8975876
Neither.

[Anonymous No.8975910]

>>8974768
They sold all their western IPs (sans Outriders, Just Cause and LiS), Crystal Dynamics and Eidos Montreal to Embracer Group, which does at least have a history of resurrecting older IPs through things like remasters and such.

[Anonymous No.8976582]

>>8969813
>Movement is digital only,
Nope. Stopped reading after this because you're a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.8976643]

>>8976582
Of course you didn't read any further, because OP realised he hadn't set it up.

[Anonymous No.8977018]

>>8975876
Soul Reaver 2 if you haven't already, then Defiance.

[Anonymous No.8978513]

>>8973005
>>8974315
Was Moebius affected by Nupraptor's madness despite being shown to already be a manipulative asshole centuries before?

Why didn't Raziel tell Janos about his "god's" true nature?

Why can't Raziel still use the Glyph spells or the first Fire Reaver?

How did Vorador finally defeat Malek?

Why didn't Malek question Moebius about calling the blue ghoul in front of them "Raziel" - the name of his Sarafan comrade?

Did Kain ever get his powers from Blood Omen back?

[Anonymous No.8979127]

>>8975876
Blood Omen 2 is considered the worst the series for various reasons, like graphical and sound bugs (cutscene dialogue playing out of sync, Kain's weapon sometimes sticking through his shoulder to out in front of him,). It does have some interesting levels; the Eternal Prison is rather unsettling, and the Device and the Hylden City look rather Gigeresque, and as usual for the series the voice acting and dialogue is phenomenal.

[Anonymous No.8979151]

Soul Reaver 2 has a notorious game breaking bug which prevents from leaving the Dark Forge. There is way around it; there's a checkpoint marker outside the entrance. Keep that one activated and not the one in the Forge then let the enemies in the Spectral Realm kill you. You'll appear right outside the entrance, but you'll miss the cutscene with Vorador that plays though you can just watch it on Youtube.

[Anonymous No.8979309]

>>8979151
You should have mentioned what triggers the bug: approaching the crows at the entrance and making them disappear. Simply don't walk near them to not have to worry about this.

[Anonymous No.8979310]

>>8978513
At this point you're just asking about power-ups.

[Anonymous No.8979313]

>>8979127
The entire blood-drinking level-up system is completely broken too, you can just run straight to the end of the level and your health gauge will have grown as if you spent the entire time increasing it.

[Anonymous No.8979521]

>>8978513
>Was Moebius affected by Nupraptor's madness despite being shown to already be a manipulative asshole centuries before?
He was never sane to begin with. Not unless you think working for a voice in a pond sanity.
>Why didn't Raziel tell Janos about his "god's" true nature?
The ancient vampires didn't know the true nature of their god
>Why can't Raziel still use the Glyph spells or the first Fire Reaver?
Canonically Raziel never visited the forges in SR1
>How did Vorador finally defeat Malek?
Most likely undid the necromancy spells on him as he is shown to control animated corpses in BO1 and was a studen of the vampires that invented necromancy in the first place.
>Why didn't Malek question Moebius about calling the blue ghoul in front of them "Raziel" - the name of his Sarafan comrade?
Hard to tell, We never see what Malek thinks in any of the games.
>Did Kain ever get his powers from Blood Omen back?
He kept them but doesn't use them anymore as he evolved above them. Well except the bat and mist form which he uses to travel and avoid obstacles in Defiance. But he definitely still has them.

[Anonymous No.8979545]

>>8979521
>The ancient vampires didn't know the true nature of their god

Yeah, no shit. The question still stands. Why didn't Raziel tell Janos?

[Anonymous No.8979558]

>>8979545
Because Janos would go full jihad on him and so would Vorador.

[Anonymous No.8979559]

>>8979151
>>8979309
Why I first encountered it I thought it was just another puzzle I had to solve, like there was a hidden switch or key to find. I wandered around the level for at least an hour before I checked the internet and found out about the bug.

I was not happy.

[Anonymous No.8979569]

>>8979558
Janos wouldn't because he believed Raziel, being the bearer of the Reaver, was the chosen one and thus had Nosgoth's best interests in mind. And what's better than defeating a manipulative, petty, parasitic demiurge that turned its proverbial back on its devout followers.

[Anonymous No.8979575]

>>8979569
>being the bearer of the Reaver, was the chosen one and thus had Nosgoth's best interests in mind
That's Kain.

[Anonymous No.8979605]

>>8979575
Kain was the Scion of Balance, destined to restore Nosgoth to balance. Raziel was both the Vampire and Hylden heroes depicted in the murals, he inadvertently helped the Hylden by reviving Janos with the Heart of Darkness he ripped out of Kain so they can use the blood of a vampire to create the Mass, and became the Vampire champion by cleansing Kain of Nupraptor's corruption so he can become the Balance Guardian and restore the Pillars, and finally surrending himself to the Reaver so Kain can take on the Elder God.

[Anonymous No.8979617]

>>8979605
And he's still just the weapon for the real chosen one. Nothing more.

[Anonymous No.8979620]

>>8979575
Well, Janos said he may have misinterpreted the prophecy after seeing Raziel brandish the Soul Reaver's wraith form.

[Anonymous No.8979629]

>>8969817
>>8969813
IIRC PSX has really low draw distance. The PC versions are all ports of the console versions, and buggy as fug.

[Anonymous No.8979636]

>>8979629
The biggest difference between the psx version and all the ports is analog movement only the psx one has it. At least in the way it was supposed to work.

[Anonymous No.8979638]

>>8978513
>Moebius
Morbing time am i rite lads?

[Anonymous No.8979643]

>>8979575
>>8979617
The point being is that Janos thought Raziel was the chosen one, which he kind of was but not as he imagined.

[Anonymous No.8979751]

>>8979558
I doubt Vorador would care because he became jaded and fatalistic by the time he met Raziel, dismissing the history and prophecies of the Ancient Vampires as fairy tales.

[Anonymous No.8981545]

Interesting that the Scion of Balance was depicted to have white hair. My theory is that maybe the first Time Guardian saw Kain in the Chronoplast.

[Anonymous No.8981791]

>>8981545
>"Only then will the Scion of Balance be armed for his true endevour"

>>8979521
>He kept them but doesn't use them anymore as he evolved above them. Well except the bat and mist form which he uses to travel and avoid obstacles in Defiance. But he definitely still has them.
Yes, he was planned to use the wolf form in Dark Prophecy.

[Anonymous No.8981794]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sC4cW-t3ZK4

[Anonymous No.8981905]

>>8971485
No shit!
>Look it up
>Assisted suicide due to terminal cancer.

Fuck.

[Anonymous No.8982174]

>>8969813
> elected to play the original Playstation version rather than the PC or Dreamcast port.
Missed opportunity, if you had a Dreamcast you should play the Dreamcast version instead. Not even for the graphics, the game runs way better and the controls allow for true analog movement.

[Anonymous No.8982925]

>>8982174
I think the game suits those grainy, low-res PS1 graphics better. The DC Raziel model looks a little goofy.

[Anonymous No.8983243]

>>8970227
>>8970150
>tfw you missed out on latin classes.
It's not fair...
>>8970367
Underrated

[Anonymous No.8983262]

>>8969813
I didn't bother to finish it because I hated the combat and controls, I enjoy RE and TR controls and combat, but I couldn't enjoy this game's.
Did they improve it in soul reaver 2? will I understand the story if I start from there? I already know everything about Legacy of Kain Blood Omen 1

[Anonymous No.8983270]

>>8970175
>Dark Prophecy - cancelled
>Dead Sun - cancelled
>Nosgoth - cancelled
what were they cancelled for? budget?
>Ken McCulloch - convicted pedo
woah wtf, story on this?

[Anonymous No.8983276]

>>8983262
It's odd to me this is even an opinion because SR1 was one of the best-controlling games and I think it still handles smoothly. You will hate SR2's combat even more because it's basically the same system just slightly extended.

[Anonymous No.8983285]

>>8983270
https://legacyofkain.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_McCulloch

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Anonymous No.8983290]

>>8971462
they weren't doing anything with it, TR except got turned it into a generic shooter with laughable puzzles, half baked survival mechanics and barebones stealth, also shit story that turns lara into a useless fucking retard that can't stop fucking up, and stripping her and the series entire identity, and Deus Ex already got fucked over by releasing an unfinished game, because Square wanted to inject some shitty mini game to sell microtransactions. Thief reboot was absolute dogshit with insufferable writing. At this moment, Square selling these properties is the best thing that has happened to these properties in a while.

[Anonymous No.8983308]

>>8983285
>check source 15
>nothing found
>source 16
>some pajeet mobile game website
>check source 17, shitaku article
>"here's a link to the police the report"
>page not found
is he really a pedo or just a smear campaign? why is everything not found?

[Anonymous No.8983332]

>>8983308
https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2014/7/30/5951777/ex-silicon-knights-dev-kenneth-mcculloch-child-pornography-charges

[Anonymous No.8983339]

>>8983332
Thanks, anon

[Anonymous No.8983873]

>>8971249
Yep, Dead Sun had 0 soul in it, everything about it is so remote from the LoK universe. Dark Prophecy was 100% LoK soul if you read about it.

[Anonymous No.8983886]

>>8971261
They sure did. I'm not even mad, for me the golden age of gaming ended many years. The only thing I expect from modern gaming is bland, lowest common denominator concepts filled with shoehorned politics. You will never see another series like LoK again.

[Anonymous No.8983896]

>>8971459
>Although I was a little cheesed that it ended on a cliffhanger that didn't get resolved until the next console generation.

They couldn't finish all they had planned so the series took a diff turn. Here's how SR was supposed to be.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/soul-reaver-may-have-been-the-most-overly-ambitious-game-ever-research-thread.488564/

[Anonymous No.8983951]

>>8972829
I don't think you can even begin to imagine how pozed it would be. I would rather the series stay dead than defiled. The way the 5 games are now are almost perfect with exception of Vorador's presence in BO2 and DP not finishing Kain's story.

[Anonymous No.8983954]

>>8971459
>Although I was a little cheesed that it ended on a cliffhanger that didn't get resolved until the next console generation.
I always find funny how such a great story was the result of cut content and re-purposed game concepts.

[Anonymous No.8984003]

>>8973005
>Why did Moebius build the Eternal Prison?
He didn't, despite it's name, the (timeless) Eternal Prison has nothing to do with Mobius, it was probably build long before him.

>How did Kain survive the removal of the Heart of Darkness?
Same reason Raziel didn't die when burning in the abyss.

>Why didn't the Ancient Vampires just explain the actual purpose of the Pillars to the humans?
They did to the early human guardians. Back then there were many more Ancients. By the time of young Kain, Janos Audron is the only ancient alive and he's a recluse, hunted by the Sarafan led by Mobius.
>How is Kain going to defeat the Elder God and restore the Pillars?
That's what Dark Prophecy was suposed to be.

[Anonymous No.8984016]

>>8983951
>Vorador's presence in BO2
Considering what we know, we can explain it. What we know:
- The Hylden lord will leave Janos' body.
- Janos is then imprisoned by him.
- Kain was supposed to visit the hell dimension where the hylden live during Dark Prophecy.
If we assume the Heart of Darkness is only needed for the resurrection and does nothing afterwards (as long as the vampire doesn't die), then:
1. Kain finds Janos and takes the Heart from him.
2. Goes to Vorador's remains and resurrects him.
3. Hides the Heart somewhere, maybe inside his own body again.
Now Vorador is alive again and there can't be a paradox when the young Kain meets him and Janos in BO2 because there's only one heart present: his.

[Anonymous No.8984023]

>>8973757
If SR1 remained with its orig ending there would've been no point in SR2, Defiance and Dark Prophecy. In the orig ending Raziel kills Kain and uses the sound device to exterminate all vampires in Nosgoth, allowing for the regular life cycle to begin again.

[Anonymous No.8984041]

>>8974730
BO2 is great with the exception of Vorador's presence. It captures that dark, dystopian LoK feel and brings the Hylden in the scene. The OST is just as amazibg as the SR one and the dialog is good. Not sure why ppl hate it.

[Anonymous No.8984063]

>>8979127
Bugs don't matter at this point because they got fixed.

[Anonymous No.8984128]

>>8983332
>According to the report, McCulloch had "videos and images of young pre-pubescent boys engaged in sexual activity with adult women"

Really?! This is it?!
Any male that didn't fantasize as a kid about being molested by sexy milfs, is a fucking homo.

[Anonymous No.8984151]

>>8984016
Sure you can always make some explanation, my point was that it trivializes the story. The reason why it happened was that the team that led BO2 had its own ideas about the universe and realy wanted Vorador in it, they knew it would break the story and they knew the other team didn't like it, but they did it anyway.

[Anonymous No.8984159]

>>8984128
Party van is coming your way.

[Anonymous No.8984164]

>>8984159
Found the homo.

[Anonymous No.8984179]

>>8984023
You miss the whole point though, by following this ending, Raziel has been played all along because he would have done the Elder God's bidding without a second thought in contrast to Kain who literally had a choice by the end of the first game. Not only that, but the developers always intended for Raziel to use the Chronoplast to try and change his fate, otherwise he remains a slave forever.

[Anonymous No.8984182]

>>8984164
See you in the news.

[Anonymous No.8984203]

>>8984179
You forget that the EG being 'evil' started in SR2. SR(1) never intended for this. The orig plan was that SR would finish BO by doing what Kain refused to do, killing him, and cleansing Nosgoth of his brood. The EG was the one that empowered Raziel to do this, he was the good guy. Kain saw this fate in the Chrono chamber and accepted it because the land was decaying. The whole thing about Raziel being a chosen one of the Ancients and the EG being just a manipulator started in SR2.

[Anonymous No.8984206]

>>8984182
See you at the gay parade.

[Anonymous No.8984612]

>>8984206
Where you'll blend right in.

[Anonymous No.8985053]

>>8984003
A statue of Moebius was in the Eternal Prison. You had to rewind time to fix it and then lure Magnus to run into it so it would collapse on him.

[Anonymous No.8985076]

>>8984003
Janos was long dead by the time Kain was born.

[Anonymous No.8985183]

>>8984612
Next to faggots just like you.

[Anonymous No.8985249]

>>8985053
Good point I remember that. But I still maintain the position that Moebius did not build it. The EP is in S Nosgoth and due to it's pos it was probably built by the Hylden which is why The Builder is in it. He even says he was sent there during the time The Device was constructed which was in the days of the War betwen the Ancients and the Hylden, this was long long before Mobius was alive. He prob put the statue of himself in the EP after he led the rebelion against the vampires. A lot of Sarafan places were built on the Elder Races edifices.

[Anonymous No.8985285]

>>8985076
Janos witnesses the Pillars being destroyed, by young Kain, in Defiance because old Kain brings him back to life. But yeah I get what you're saying the Sarafan didn't know that so they weren't looking for him. My point still stands, by the time the latest generation of human guardians exists there's no one left to inform them, even if Vorador would try they would try to kill him.
As I was typing this I realized a small hitch in the story. In SR2 it says the Ancients started transforming humans to vampires because the Pillars started chosing them as guardians, it also says Vorador was the first human vampire...doesn't that mean Vorador was a guardian once? Why else would they make him a vampire. I agree it's not mandatory he must be a guardian, it's just weird he is not.

[Anonymous No.8985427]

>>8985285
The main reason why they started turning humans into vampires was because they could no longer reproduce due to the Hylden's curse. As for the reason why Vorador became the first human vampire I don't know but he did forge the Reaver.

[Anonymous No.8985501]

"When you were but hairless apes cowering in caves, we gave you all that you had.
And now, we take it back."

In Blood Omen 2, a Hylden says this to a human slave/prisoner before executing him. It seems the Hylden may have uplifted the human race in prehistoric tumes.

[Anonymous No.8985639]

>>8984128
Probably just shota hentai which shouldn't count since they're drawings/cartoons.

[Anonymous No.8985648]

>>8985639
I think they do in Canada, since he's Canadian.

[Anonymous No.8985658]

>>8978513
>Why didn't Malek question Moebius about calling the blue ghoul in front of them "Raziel" - the name of his Sarafan comrade?
When did this happen?

[Anonymous No.8985675]

>>8985658
Soul Reaver 2, after Raziel finds the Blood Reaver and is confronted Moebius and Malek. Moments later you hear Vorador attacking the Circle and they're screaming for Malek to help them. This is why Malek failed to save them in time in the opening scene of Blood Omen; Moebius ordered him to stay with him.

[Anonymous No.8986251]

>>8984016
The problem is that old Kain had no idea the Heart was within him, so how would young know?

[Anonymous No.8986323]

>>8969813
I played thru a good chunk of it as a kid. Replayed it until the final dungeon a few years back and just quit out of boredom. It has some really good things going for it but I was getting pretty sick of pushing blocks around and not knowing explicitly where I needed to be going and getting lost. Shame it never got the rumored remake.

[Anonymous No.8986439]

SR Remaster: https://youtu.be/sC4cW-t3ZK4

[Anonymous No.8986549]

>>8986323
thats what put me off with SR1, first played it on psx demo seemed straight forward, when i got the full game i had no idea where i was supposed to go or wtf i was supposed to do.

never finished blood omen but watched all the fmvs, finished SR2 then BO2 then defiance, fuckin loved them.

also this in the bonus features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF51FW_SU2g

[Anonymous No.8986671]

>>8986549
The unskippable cutscenes all fucking told you where you had to go next lmao

[Anonymous No.8986778]

>>8970148
fuck off vampfag

[Anonymous No.8986782]

>>8974791
greatest intro ever

[Anonymous No.8986806]

>>8985501
Meridian, the largest human city, is close to the Hylden city. The Hylden were just as benevolent as the Ancients before their banishment, they defenitly helped humans evolve in S Nosgoth.

[Anonymous No.8986821]

All of the concept art for BO2 is adapted from two unreleased sci-fi games, one of them being Chakan 2.

[Anonymous No.8986914]

>>8986821
That's a gross exageration, Sirens contributed the most to the new elements in BO2, Chakan only a little. The rest is just regular LoK.

[Anonymous No.8986917]

>>8986914
What's "the rest"? Barely anything in BO2 is visually in line with the other titles beyond some interior environments.

[Anonymous No.8986956]

>>8986917
The overall 'dark goth' theme (always night, muted colors, ambiental, quite and depressing...Chakan was not like this) is the same as LoK, Meridian has the same type of medieval esthetic as LoK's cities (as oppose to SR that takes a more steampunk approach or Chakan that is futuristic). Everything about The Hylden comes from Sirens. The only Chakan elements are Umah and Magnus (part man part machine just like certain Chakan NPCs).

[Anonymous No.8986967]

>>8986956
Kain's default outfit is basically Chakan's.

[Anonymous No.8987004]

>>8986967
'Leather pants with naked torso' was a popular look in those days in many art works, because of heavy metal. I wouldn't call it Chakan specific.

[Anonymous No.8987162]

>>8971585
BEEEEEEENIIIIIIISSSSS XDDDDDDDDD

[Anonymous No.8987464]

>>8969813
YES. None of the sequels had the vibe this game did. I played it through many times just because the experience itself was worth it. Not to mention the storytelling.

[Anonymous No.8987538]

>>8970135
Separate the art from the artist

[Anonymous No.8988004]

If Kain is from a noble house in Coorhagen, why don't we ever see his family or learn much about his life before he became a vampire? Surely the lord of his house (most likely his father) would want to know who assassinated him and why.

[Anonymous No.8988049]

>>8988004
Kain is the last living member of his family at the time he arrives in the tavern in BO1

[Anonymous No.8988129]

>>8988004
>>8988049
Why also don't learn much about Raziel's past other than that he was a Sarafan knight, and that he killed Janos and was killed by his future self .

[Anonymous No.8988267]

>>8987464
>None of the sequels had the vibe this game did.
I agree but that's because none of the other games happen in Nosgoth's distant future where everything is so dead and apocalyptic.
Dark Prophecy was supposed to take place, for the most part, in the demon dimension. That could've been a somewhat similar experience to SR1.
If you're the kind of person that's into dark ambiental/black metal and the whole culture that surrounds it, LoK, and especialy SR1, is pretty much the Holy Grail. Even after all these many years I still listen to LoK's OSTs so I can 'revisit' it. There's nothing really like it.

[Anonymous No.8988397]

Look at all this SOVL /vr/! You will never see that much SOVL again!

[Anonymous No.8988471]

>>8988267
pretty interesting that the game's main theme was just taken directly from a synth album released two years prior. I don't think I can come with any other examples of that, not the main theme in an ost.

[Anonymous No.8988478]

>>8988397
One thing I love about Nosgoth is that the map truly never changes; everything aligns perfectly, unlike some fictional worlds (*cough* Hyrule *cough*).

[Anonymous No.8988486]

>>8988471
That's because Kurt Harland did the soundtrack for both SR1 and 2. That's his band; Information Society.

[Anonymous No.8988823]

>>8969813
SR1 is one of my favorite games. Along with Blood Omen. Don't play Soul Reaver 2. It's garbage and you will be disappointed. Same with Defiance.

[Anonymous No.8988838]

>>8988823
They're worth it for the story alone. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.8988845]

>>8988838
The story was absolutely retarded.
>muh ancient race
Fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.8988868]

>>8988845
Is that you Dyack? Silicon Knights is dead. Cope.

[Anonymous No.8988874]

>>8970135
He was a pedo? How was that known?

[Anonymous No.8988884]

>>8988874
See>>8983285

[Anonymous No.8988885]

This thread inspired me to look into these games. I'm assuming the PC port of these games outside of the first Soul Reaver are ideal? Does it take a lot of work to get them up and running with patches? I remember watching a video regarding the PC port of Blood Omen being a bit janky, but not for the usual gameplay stuff but more so bugs.

[Anonymous No.8988905]

>>8988885
Play the GOG version of Blood Omen, then emulate the PS1 version of Soul Reaver. Ignore the rest of the games.

[Anonymous No.8988913]

>>8988905
What makes the PS1 particularly special against the Dreamcast one? Art direction/original console sku reasons or some other random thing?

[Anonymous No.8988920]

>>8988913
It's the one that I've played :^)
I guess, the Dreamcast version could be better, but I don't know what the state of Dreamcast emulation is.

Captcha: 4TAKY

[Anonymous No.8988924]

>>8988920
I'll more than likely just burn a disc for my Dreamcast although I'm fully aware of the performance issues. Can't be any worse than some of the N64's worst culprits, I've played Perfect Dark many times and still have a working stomach and eye sight to tell my story.

[Anonymous No.8988937]

>>8988924
I'd watch a comparison video on YT or something, but I suppose, the Dreamcast version would be better if you have the console.

You can also for the PC version to return, but at this point, it's hard to tell when that will happen and if the game will actually get any updates.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/224920/Legacy_of_Kain_Soul_Reaver/

>Notice: Square Enix has temporarily removed this title from sale to work on some important updates. Please check back soon!

[Anonymous No.8988942]

>Square Enix has sold all of its western IPs and studios to Embracer Group, including The Legacy Of Kain, and Soul Reaver

It's ogre

[Anonymous No.8988972]

>>8988937
Was recently watching DF: Retro's coverage on the game awhile back and aesthetically I love how the character models look on the PS version, I can also burn an iso of that if I wanted to although I'm partially mixed between whether I care more about the higher framerate on the DC version. Ideally it'd be nice to own copies of either game but I'll see what decision I'll end up making once I beat Blood Omen.
Being a fan of this series sounds like hell considering the infamy of the cancellations and constant weird rights purgatories it lies in.
I remember wanting to get into these games long ago when I saw Defiance in a Gamefly commercial along with the PS2 version of Deus Ex lmao. That was a long time ago and I feel like I've passed up this series long enough and want to see what the hubbub is about.
Wouldn't be the first time I've had interest in a series that's either been raped or murdered in awful ways.

[Anonymous No.8989000]

>>8988972
Yeah, being a LoK fan is pain. I never got the resolve. A lot of people like SR2 and Defiance, but for me, the series ended at SR1.

Also, in a way Soul Reaver ruined Blood Omen, even though I love Soul Reaver. Blood Omen could be a great franchise on its own. Not many games have a setting and atmosphere like BO had.

[Anonymous No.8989608]

>>8989000
>I never got the resolve.
You got your resolution he whole original SR1 plot is know these days. It would end with Raziel killing Kain and activating the cathedral to kill all the vampires in Nosgoth. The original ending cutscenes even play in the chronoplast.

[Anonymous No.8989723]

>>8988905
>Ignore the rest of the games.

Don't listen to this retard, the rest of the games are just as good, they just have a diff vibe to them.

LoK should be played in game historical order rather than release order:
BO1->BO2->SR1->SR2->Defiance

[Anonymous No.8989727]

>>8989000
you can't blame soul reaver that much, blood omen ended with the apocalypse, there was nothing else to do really but reboot it.

[Anonymous No.8989746]

>>8989723
That is an absolutely horrible piece of advice and it completely disregards the context the games were made in which is way more relevant than a flimsy chronology.

[Anonymous No.8989760]

>>8989723
I'm reading this again and this is so fucking dogshit, so you start categorically at a 1996 top down action adventure game then jump to a subpar 2002 3D action game which is a result of a later plot device to then backtrack to a PS1 game that BO2 is systematically built on top of and then make the only logical step forwards by playing SR2.

[Anonymous No.8989872]

>>8989746
The context the games were made in is just meta and should not concern one when playing the actual games.

>>8989746
The only reason you view it like that is because you're incapable of separating your knowledge of the games dev history from the actual games. I suffer from no such problems and because of this I'm able to enjoy LoK from start to finish while faggots like you will stay miserable because the series was'nt EXACTLY like you imagined it would be. Hopefully newcomers to the series will not suffer from this retardation.

[Anonymous No.8989879]

>>8989746
The context the games were made in is just meta and should not concern one when playing the actual games.

>>8989760
The only reason you view it like that is because you're incapable of separating your knowledge of the games dev history from the actual games. I suffer from no such problems and because of this I'm able to enjoy LoK from start to finish while faggots like you will stay miserable because the series was'nt EXACTLY like you imagined it would be. Hopefully newcomers to the series will not suffer from this retardation.

[Anonymous No.8989883]

>>8989879
>Year and time of release is just meta man

[Anonymous No.8989886]

>>8989879
Events of BO2 only exist due to the paradox from SR2, shows what you know Mr "Play in Historical Order".

[Anonymous No.8989891]

>>8989883
Yes it is!

>>8989886
The paradox from SR2 already happened in BO2. You can't separate game dev release order from game history order, the 2 are the same in your mind.

[Anonymous No.8989894]

>>8989891
Profound retard.

[Anonymous No.8989897]

>>8989894
So you don't have an argument. I accept your surrender then.

[Anonymous No.8989904]

>>8989897
I gave you my argument, which is playing anything other than release order is fanwiki editor shit.

[Anonymous No.8989932]

>>8989904
You made a statement regarding your preference about game order. I made the point that your prefs are so because of the way you view the dev of the games to which you responded with an insult not an argument. Indeed, you can't have an argument because your decision to involve game dev with the game is purely subjective, so is mine not to do so, and that was my point, that others can enjoy the series in game historical order while ignoring meta.

[Anonymous No.8989946]

>>8989932
Mate it's the fact you recommend a play order that doesn't flow properly, you recommend playing BO2, a game made a generation after, right after the first game when it's a total gear shift in everything related to BO1, nevermind the fact it's not a good entry at all.

[Anonymous No.8989963]

>>8989946
>that doesn't flow properly,
Once again, you're not bringing any arguments, you're just restating your opinion that we already know and you're wasting our time with it.

>a total gear shift in everything related to BO1
'Total' is not correct, it's not like the game turns into Monkey Island ffs. You should try avoiding hyperboles and be more precise. It's true that BO2 goes in a direction unintended during BO1, personaly I don't have a problem with that.

>nevermind the fact it's not a good entry at all.
That's just an opinion, an opinion I've heard from others but never heard much arguments for it. Personaly I love BO2.

[Anonymous No.8990990]

>>8988397
>SOVL
>VL
>V

WHY?! Why can't you motherfuckers type U? What is wrong with VEE? VAT IS YOVR DAMAGE??!

[Anonymous No.8991098]

>>8990990
>VAT
>VA
>V

WHY?! Why can't you motherfuckers type W? What is wrong with DOUBLEYOU? WAT IS YOWR DAMAGE??!

[Anonymous No.8991161]

>>8990990
It's stylized, calm down. And FYI I usualy dislike 'SOVL' fags myself, they apply the label to to many mediocre games simply because of nostalgia, but the LoK series actualy deserves it.

[Anonymous No.8991173]

>>8990990
What's the matter anon don't you like SOVL REAVER?

[Anonymous No.8991185]

>>8989946
>You're a righteous fiend, aren't you.

>>8989963
>Apparently I am.

[Anonymous No.8991248]

>>8969813

[Anonymous No.8991293]

>>8991248
It just wouldn't be LoK without purple prose.

[Anonymous No.8992237]

I used to think Metal Gear Solid was the pinnacle of video game voice acting. I was WAY off.

[Anonymous No.8992828]

LoK is the only series I know that pulled 5 great games without fucking it up. Sure, there are complaints about how the story was patched together due to multiple teams doing the games, but the series still emerged as one great cohesive work.

[Anonymous No.8992858]

I think to think that there is an alternate universe where Dark Prophecy was released and finished the story where everything is answered and no threads were left hanging, a mind blowing conclusion that leaves your jaw on the floor (no offence Raziel :)). A guy can dream.

[Anonymous No.8992905]

>>8992858
Defiance is still a solid ending, very much in tune with LoK's hopelessness theme. Even if Dark Prophecy would've been made it wouldn't have been the last one anyway, their creators wanted to explore the demon dimension and some fragments of Nosgoth's history, I don't think it would have concluded the EG thread.

[Anonymous No.8993176]

>>8988478
>One thing I love about Nosgoth is that the map truly never changes; everything aligns perfectly
Except for that little Ancient Citadel that spawns out of nowhere to the north of the Pillars.

[Anonymous No.8993273]

>>8993176
You mean the Human Citadel? I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Malek's Bastion that get's taken over by humans as refuge and defense against Kain's rule.

[Anonymous No.8993387]

>>8993273
No, I meant the citadel of the ancient vampires you visit in Defiance. It's not in any of the earlier games.

[Anonymous No.8993397]

>>8969813
>ocarina of time except even emptier with no cool items, quests or basically anything to do except kill the most generic, boring monsters ever made in a bunch of identical sand brown temple environments
this game is fucking garbage, fuck you

[Anonymous No.8993478]

>>8993397
>I need many colored items all over the place for me to pick up in order to have fun
Get lost retard, go watch some capeshit.

[Anonymous No.8993486]

>>8993478
>muh capeshit
>protagonist literally wears a cape
kek
nah sorry bro this one goes in the trash alongside star wars, marvel, funko pop and every other gay thing you like

[Anonymous No.8993521]

>>8993387
Do you have its location so I can see if it overlaps a previously visited area?

[Anonymous No.8993535]

[Anonymous No.8993537]

>>8993486
Those are wings you idiot. Also 'capeshit' refers to a type of movie that doesn't have any depth beyond 'good guy fights bad guy', because that's only what imbeciles like you understand.

[Anonymous No.8993542]

>>8993486
>marvel, funko pop and every other gay thing you like
Also I don't like any of those things, not to mention a subhuman like you that likes Zelda shouldn't be the one to talk.

[Anonymous No.8993547]

>>8993537
dude i havent watched a movie in 5+ years and my favorite games of all time are banjo-kazooie: nuts and bolts and ragnarok online. you know literally nothing about me. the game is sterile brown garbage and you are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.8993559]

>>8993547
>banjo-kazooie: nuts and bolts and ragnarok online.
I can't even tell if you're trolling or serious. Regardless, nobody here wants to listen to the noises coming out of your cumbreath mouth, now go back to your big tittie anime trash.

[Anonymous No.8993562]

>>8993559
lol you're mad

[Anonymous No.8993589]

>>8993562
Who wouldn't be when animaggots crash the thread and start yapping like apes all over the place. Now let me show you the way out;
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.8993596]

>>8993589
no thanks, anime is trash. you're still mad.

[Anonymous No.8993615]

>>8993596
>no thanks, anime is trash
This is coming from the dipshit playing banjo-kazooie, LMAO!

[Anonymous No.8993625]

>>8993615
>hating on based Big Dick Banjo
and here you were pretending to be a heterosexual

[Anonymous No.8993636]

>>8993625
>>hating on based Big Dick Banjo
And you have the nerve to call me a homo.

[Anonymous No.8993643]

>>8993636
>implying Banjo isn't based and doesn't have a huge dick
yeah, you're definitely gay

[Anonymous No.8995189]

SR1 was originally going to be called Shifter and had no connection to BO1 whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.8995240]

>>8993615
is this a bot or a 9 year old?

[Anonymous No.8995928]

>>8995240
If you don't like my opinion feel free to go back to stroking gorilla dick with your homo friend over here >>8993643 .

[Anonymous No.8995935]

>>8995189
Regardless, Shifter as SR1 turned out to be an amazing game and a great ending to the BO1 story.

[Anonymous No.8997540]

Don't let this thread die like the series.

[Anonymous No.8997567]

>>8995935
>and a great ending
>ending

[Anonymous No.8997570]

>>8993535
now make a pic of them trying t use the n64 controller with their claws

[Anonymous No.8997591]

>>8995928
we already talked about this. you deny that banjo has a large cock. that means you've seen his cock, so you'd know. that means you're gay.

[Anonymous No.8997605]

>>8988942
They're not gonna do anything with it. It's a dead series. Now, a novelization to wrap everything up...

[Anonymous No.8999050]

As long as a single LoK thread stands we are legion.

[Anonymous No.8999713]

>>8997567
I'm talking about the intended ending, before they ran out of money.
>>8997591
My comments devasted your anus so bad you keep coming back to the thread despite have no interest in the game.
>>8997605
They're going to do something worse than nothing, they'll make a remake.

[Anonymous No.8999987]

>>8969813
Bros, emulated PS1, dreamcast, or PC?

[Anonymous No.8999993]

>>8999987
Emulated PS1, don't listen to the anti-slowdown, pro-draw distance brigade.

[Anonymous No.9000015]

>>8983886
Have you played Darkwood?

[Anonymous No.9000021]

>>8999993
that seems to be the best version, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.9000029]

>>8999713
banjo's massive dingus devestated your anus fag

[Anonymous No.9000797]

>>9000015
Nope. I'll concede that we might see an original game from an indie studio, but my comment still remains generaly true.

[Anonymous No.9000862]

Game scripts: https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/15GPcdCow8Glz7Po7O8TxX4xMp57BhWOS

[Anonymous No.9000884]

>>8969813
Agree with pretty much everything you said. Artistically and plot-wise the game is great but the bad things stick out like a sore thumb.
>There was one boss fight that involved precise jumping between pillars
That boss fight got me fucking HEATED. I kept falling off the damn pillars. I also remember the Constrict ability where you had to run around certain objects in order to manipulate them, the clunky controls made it extremely tedious.

[Anonymous No.9000898]

>>9000884
You can glide to the pillar tops during the Rahab fight, making it 90% easier.

[Anonymous No.9002341]

>>9000797
Yeah, man, but that mostly applies to AAA, which is a shame, but there's a lot of good indie shit
Give Darkwood a try, it's a really good one, it's a high-quality game
It's not a roguelite, but the maps are procgen, basically handcrafted locations strewn semi-randomly around the game world
My first game took me about 30 hours because I wanted to 100% everything, but the game's more fun if you balance speed and efficient rummaging without autistically scouring every corner
You can also enable limited lives or permadeath to make it more fun, but you're gonna die a lot on your first playthrough, better go with normal

[Anonymous No.9002346]

>>8990990
It came from /his/ because the Roman Empire would carve U as V.