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8948496 No.8948496 [Reply] [Original]

Why did numpads didn't caught on in gaming?

>> No.8948515

*why didn't numpads catch on in gaming?
No need to thank me ESLfag.

>> No.8948552
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>>8948496
All the best VGSs have them.

>> No.8948572

Consolefags are too dumb to handle that many buttons. How I pity them.

>> No.8948581

Friendly reminder to not post on this board if you are from South America.

>> No.8948602
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>>8948496
Numpads on consoles were a solution to an upcoming problem which never arrived. Back in the late 70s, when home computers started to become a real thing, there was an expectation that video games are about to become more complicated due to consoles being eventually replaced by proper computers. More complicated games mean more complicated control schemes. This prompted console manufacturers to preempt that philosophy shift by adding as much buttons to controllers as they could.
Atari 400 was supposed to be a simple Atari 2600 successor console, but they plopped a keyboard on it to play Star Raiders, and then it somehow got rebranded as a computer. It was seen as a natural evolution of gaming medium.

>> No.8948634

>>8948602
That's really interesting, thanks for the post

>> No.8948659

>>8948602
They did make for some really radical computers.

>> No.8949149

>>8948496
because they aren't pleasant or fun

>> No.8949156

The philosophy behind game design was different at the time. The people making video games in America back during those formative years were computer programmers and electrical engineers. The way they built these machines was of the philosophy to provide a toolbox and let the people making the games decide how to use it. So you'd get these number pad controllers and the games would come with paper overlays you'd slide on top that would tell you what button does what for that specific game. This philosophy of providing a framework and letting people do whatever they wanted with it was very sink or swim. You'd sometimes get garbage and other times you'd get geniuses like Carmack who thrived in that environment. Then Nintendo came around and simplified everything. "You get these buttons and we're going to tell you what they're for. You get these ICs and this is exactly what they're for and what they can do." It railroaded designers but was comparatively "easier" to make something decent. This wasn't an accident. Unlike the American game companies that were coming from electrical and computer backgrounds, Nintendo was primarily a toy company. Miyamoto is an industrial engineer by trade. He designed his earliest games the same way he would a toy, by "building it" on graph paper. A toy company wants the product to be as intuitive as possible from the outset. It was an entirely different way to approach the problem.

>> No.8949435

>>8948496
Why did pablo didn't not eslpost?
Why do so many people use numpads for gaming if they didn't catch on?

>> No.8949497
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>>8948552

I love the controller overlays for this console.

>> No.8949516

it did on pc with rts games, op is a faggot

>> No.8949705

>>8949497
>Press the Doom button for Doom.
Presses Doom.

>> No.8951301

>>8948496
It's always been a little strange to me. I figure that a small 12 button pad (0-9 + 2 additional ones because they fit) would be handy for inputting text quicker, or just providing an array of hotkets, making controls a bit handier for RPGs and sims.

>>8949705
It Dooms.

>> No.8951315
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>>8951301

>> No.8951339
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>>8948496
Who told you they didn't?

>> No.8951618

>>8948496
>Immersive sim controller

>> No.8951683

>>8948515
Uhh...yeahhhhh.........I wasn't not gonna thank you ever.

>> No.8951909

>>8951339
Those aren't real videogames.

>> No.8951934

>>8948496
I think part of it was that the numpad controllers of the Second Console Generation might've been seen as a natural way to expand the number of buttons on joystick controllers, the dominant style of home console controllers at the time. However, as we all know, the home console market went bust in North America, taking down almost all the North American console makers with it, and Nintendo revived the market, becoming the dominant player as video games rose to new heights. As Nintendo's game pad quickly then became copied by the other console makers and, when it came time to expand on gamepads with more buttons, I believe it became immediately clear that adding a numpad to gamepads wasn't the best way to do so.

>> No.8952002

>>8951315
What does the Doug button actually do?

>> No.8952005
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>>8948496
No one has posted this yet? I'm surprised.

>> No.8952035

>>8951315
I've been looking for this image for a while but never felt the urge to google it myself, thanks/
>>8952002
>>>8951315
It's strange because Faster is the lower button, when psychologically, I'd want it to be the "up" button to represent speeding up.

>> No.8952123 [DELETED] 
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>>8951909

>> No.8952125

>>8952123
I'm 30, and I didn't think cellphone games were real videogames back in 2002, and I don't think they are now.

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>>8952125

>> No.8952135

>>8952123
projecting?
>b-but they're old
okay and when smartphone games are old i expect you to defend em too

>> No.8952175
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8952175

Don't forget that this was the hottest tech device of the 70s. It had a huge influence on computers of the 80s, but not arcades, where the games were actually being played, and where the controls were much more influenced by mechanical fairground games.

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>>8952135
meds, keep getting angry over nothing.

>> No.8952184

>>8952182
>if i say he's getting angry i won't look angry
i think it is (you) who needs the meds my friend
still as a waterfall myself

>> No.8952203
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8952203

>>8952184
yes your circular logic makes me upset, you are not even trying to make a comeback just tired old by the book "no u"s.
But no, i'm not angry if you don't think videogames are videogames, that's just hilarious to see.

>> No.8952207
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>>8952175
those were truly the days.

>> No.8952386

>>8952035
Of course anon, it's a good one to have on hand.

>> No.8952397

>>8951315
>Someone finally uploads a video on it
>It's some autist who collects Tiger games
>Can't fucking see shit because he doesn't know how to fucking film a Tiger game
We will never know what the Doug button does, lads...

>> No.8952402 [DELETED] 

>>8952134
How long have you been waiting to use that pic? Kek.

>> No.8953981

>>8951909
whats a real videogame, anon?