/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8943634]

Isn't this mechanic present in the proto of Sonic 1 (that predates the final game more than two weeks) already?

[Anonymous No.8943651]

Yes. Naka is a liar and probably didn't even come up with that idea.

[Anonymous No.8943659]

>>8943634
This will ruffle some feathers, but I have found that Japanese people lie constantly without a second thought, which is a trait that always defies the expectations of White fans of Japanese culture (who themselves come from a culture where honesty is a peak virtue). I’m not saying Naka-san is lying in his tweet, only that I wouldn’t flinch if he was.

I haven’t played the Sonic 1 proto, but I have never seen anything about it which says the ring system is different.

[Anonymous No.8943662]

>>8943634
Yuji Naka had a greater and more positive impact on video games than Miyamoto. Naka also worked on more good games and better games overall.

[Anonymous No.8943664]

>>8943662
Outside of programming Sonic 1 - 3 he really didn't do much.

[Anonymous No.8943668]

>>8943664
outside of being an idea guy, miyamoto didn't do anything.

[Anonymous No.8943671]

It could be an exaggeration. When people say "at the last minute" they don't always strictly mean it literally.

[Anonymous No.8943679]

>>8943668
Idea guys are more important than programming peons.

[Anonymous No.8943706]

>>8943679
Based as fuck

[Anonymous No.8943725]

>>8943659
>I have found that Japanese people lie constantly without a second thought
All the Asian honor / shame / "saving face" type cultures are prone to dishonesty because they're more neurotic about reputation and appearances.

[Anonymous No.8943726]

>>8943679
In former years, the roles of designer and programmer overlapped heavily.

[Anonymous No.8943729]

>>8943726
just not for miyamoto, really he's a wannabe yu suzuki, who despite being an ideas guy did more than play in his garden for ideas. It shows too, the games he's behind were all the better for it.

[Anonymous No.8943735]

>>8943726
Have you ever played games made by demosceners? They have amazing technology but shitty game design every time. Jurassic Park Trespasser is kind of like the inverse where the ideas guys had some incredible plans for 1998 and it just wasn't possible with the programmers they had. Some balance is needed.

[Anonymous No.8943738]

>>8943729
>yu suzuki
More overrated than Miyamoto by a mile.

[Anonymous No.8943763]

Do you notice nerds seem to have developed this strange obsession with exposing renowned people as being "frauds"? It's been going on since the whole George Lucas backlash started to take off. At a certain point, you have to wonder if it's an inferiority complex.

[Anonymous No.8943770]

>>8943725
Well, it's a different way of thinking about "face." In my culture (White/Western/European/etc), dishonesty and lack of virtue is equivalent to losing face. It's why honor and honesty have the same root. In Japan and Asia, lies are everywhere and that is considered acceptable. When I was new to Japan (migrated/married here), it was common to Japanese people to simply not speak to me if they did not have something to say that was self-aggrandizing. This behavior should be familiar to anyone with the slightest Japan experience.

Anyway, Naka-san really had his shit fucked up by Wallaby Land or whatever the game was called. I feel badly for him, even despite his public meltdown over it.

[Anonymous No.8943773]

>>8943763
Honestly a lot of renowned people are frauds.

[Anonymous No.8943774]

>>8943679
Sometimes miyamoto is based. All cutscenes should be at least as interactive like dragon's lair, if not more.

[Anonymous No.8943782]

>>8943671
He literally said "two weeks".

[Anonymous No.8943787]

>>8943770
They just don't like you and as a result you come up with fictitious reasons other than just facing reality. All foreigners do this. They come to Japan with delusions and then things don't work out, they have to do desperate things for a visa, work a job they never expected they would have to do, never truly learn Japanese, and all the while tell themselves that they weren't wrong, all Japanese people are wrong. According to you, everyone's a liar. I'd say the better odds are on you just being a loser / parasite who still goes on English anime forums despite being married, and badmouths the people of the country you are an immigrant in. Just the sight of some guy saying he came up with a mechanic for children's game sets you off. What you came to Japan to do didn't work out, fix it or go home.

[Anonymous No.8943806]

>>8943634
>>8943651
I doubt anything significant is being added to a game within a month before release. Mew is a fucking lie too.

[Anonymous No.8943812]

>>8943773
And you're qualified to make this judgement, because you post on forums with people trade rumours and hearsay about things they ultimately don't really understand.

[Anonymous No.8943815]

>>8943812
I'm qualified to make that judgement in the case of Naka because of everything he was involved in after Sonic 1 - 3.

[Anonymous No.8943818]

>>8943763
It's always worth examination.

[Anonymous No.8943829]

>>8943763
Naka is the Leno of game devs

[Anonymous No.8943830]

>>8943738
nah, suzuki pioneered 3D, miyamoto uh...well he didn't do much.

[Anonymous No.8943839]

>>8943830
>suzuki pioneered 3D
Not true. Miyamoto however perfected it.

[Anonymous No.8943862]

>thread about Naka
>obsessive khv console warriors immediately bring up Miyamoto
Anyway, it's neat of Naka to be fond of Sonic 1 after all these years, but the tweet is weird, unless it's part of a thread or April 28 is the anniversary or something, coming out of the blue to basically congratulate himself, but it's ok because Sonic 1 is a classic.

[Anonymous No.8943871]

>>8943839
>cant make the game control right, told so directly by players
>just change the culture by calling "walking around leisurely" fun
>profit

[Anonymous No.8943872]

>>8943839
It's honestly a miracle that Nintendo insisted on having great (for the time) 3d controls, when other major developers struggled with 3D. With it and Wave Racer being the only two games the N64 shipped with and Sony knocking Nintendo off their throne, they had to make sure they didn't fuck up.

[Anonymous No.8943874]

>>8943862
It's part of his "Arzest and Square Enix ruined Balan Wonderworld thread" but that detail interested me because I don't think it's actually real.

[Anonymous No.8943882]

>>8943871
It was absolutely the right call to ignore people complaining about the controls and instead let them learn how to play outside the castle at their own pace. Can you imagine if the game began with some overly long tutorial explaining every mechanic in the game? That's how it would've been designed just a generation later.

[Anonymous No.8943885]

>>8943787
lol not quite, nice projection though

[Anonymous No.8943892]

>>8943882
Yes, even as a child, I understood the intent of the area outside the castle and appreciated it. Not only that, but controlling Mario in SM64 is fun in and of itself, so it doesn't feel like wasted space.

[Anonymous No.8943903]

>>8943872
>Sony knocking Nintendo off their throne
That wouldn't happen for years though. Hardly anyone owned a PS1 before FFVII.

[Anonymous No.8943920]

>>8943782
He probably stopped working on it after 2 weeks, then they spent the remaining time getting testing & shipments ready for the release date. But yes, let's overthink this worthless info.

[Anonymous No.8943926]

>>8943773
Name 10

[Anonymous No.8943934]

>>8943787
You sound like an ultra-weeb whiteknighting an entire country. I think the other anon actually knows what he is talking about since he actually lives there and (I assume) married a Japanese person, unlike you who does all of their obsessing through a screen.

[Anonymous No.8943935]

>>8943920
>But yes, let's overthink this worthless info.
Yeah, because it doesn't add up and that says something about Naka.

[Anonymous No.8943940]

>>8943634
I have played the beta rom and its seems like something I would have remembered if it was different. The gameplay videos don't demonstrate damage enough to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0aOIl-GsE

[Anonymous No.8943943]

>>8943659
>>8943651
Naka has a big ego and lies a lot. I don't think it's a reflection of "Japanese culture" because Europe and USA has the same kinds of people.

[Anonymous No.8943951]

>>8943943
>I don't think it's a reflection of "Japanese culture" because Europe and USA has the same kinds of people.
If "people lie everywhere" is your argument, then you don't understand Japan or you don't understand culture.

[Anonymous No.8943971]

>>8943787
in all my unfortunately wasted years on this site, this is the biggest instance of projection i've seen yet

[Anonymous No.8943974]

>>8943659
Thank god american devs have never been known to lying about their product, ever

[Anonymous No.8943978]

>>8943974
oof

[Anonymous No.8943985]

>>8943763
>obsession with exposing renowned people as being "frauds"
To counter the flamboyant fanboyism which is so rampant in videogaming.

[Anonymous No.8943991]

>>8943974
Oh, so you didn't understand at all. The point isn't "people never lie" it is in the acceptance or rejection or lies, as well as the expectation of lies. Devs who lie in the West are crucified for it.

But keep being triggered you little faggot

[Anonymous No.8943992]

>>8943943
>big ego and lies a lot.
Its called narcissistic personality disorder. And Yuki Naka is a turbo narcissist. That's why everyone hated working with this guy.

[Anonymous No.8944003]

>>8943943
>Europe and USA has the same kinds of people
Yeah, they're called Jews. But the person you're replying to said "white fans" not "Jewish fans."

[Anonymous No.8944005]

>>8943903
Murritards always coping.

[Anonymous No.8944015]

>>8944005
Good point. Why are Nintendo cultists always American?

[Anonymous No.8944017]

>>8943763
>At a certain point, you have to wonder if it's an inferiority complex.
Bingo!

[Anonymous No.8944026]

>>8943871
>cant make the game control right, told so directly by players
People who played it with the wrong controller 25 years later, maybe.

[Anonymous No.8944027]

Today I will remind you.

[Anonymous No.8944035]

>>8944015
N64 was hated the world over, America was the only place that bought it.

[Anonymous No.8944038]

>>8943985
Blind hatred is no different from flamboyant fanboyism. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Anonymous No.8944042]

>>8944027
Deboonked.

[Anonymous No.8944048]

>>8944027
>Croc is just a bad Yoshi's Island in 3D
>Nintendo would have had no natural inclination to make a 3D Mario for their 3D console
Blatantly just seethe from Argonaut, since they got dropped for being a sub-par developer.

[Anonymous No.8944050]

>>8944042
Oh, c'mon...
Well, we will always have Paper Mario and Dinosaur Planet.

[Anonymous No.8944064]

>>8944035
The younger generation cares more about Mario than they do the entire Amiga library. Cope.

[Anonymous No.8944075]

>>8944064
I'm not British and couldn't give a shit about me Speccy or Amiga. Try again.

[Anonymous No.8944087]

>>8944064
They certainly give a crap about Sonic tho.

[Anonymous No.8944094]

>>8944087
Sonic is an honorary Nintendo character now. Most of the younger generation of Sonic fans would have grown up with Sonic on GC, Sonic on GBA, and Sonic on DS.

[Anonymous No.8944103]

>>8944042
>one person's word against another is proof of it being deboonked

[Anonymous No.8944113]

>>8944103
It's easy to figure out who is telling the truth considering Croc is a shitty game that doesn't resemble SM64 in any meaningful way

[Anonymous No.8944125]

>>8944113
ok nintoddler

[Anonymous No.8944150]

>>8944042
So is >>8944027 a fake quote? If it isn't, I understand why Cuthbert would retcon the sentiment in this instance. People will wreck your shit if you cross them on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.8944152]

>>8944150
It's a real quote but it was said by Jez San.

[Anonymous No.8944172]

>>8943634
Notice how Naka talks? He is implying that he was the project lead and that he alone created the game. A lot of these old devs, especially conmen like Naka like to inflate their role and imply they did more than they did. Inafune did the same thing. With his recent game floundering he wants more internet attention so he made up this story.

[Anonymous No.8944195]

>>8943943
It's funny how so many people (leftists) won't protest positive generalizations, but when you point out flaws in a group, they immediately clap back despite having no knowledge of the topic.

[Anonymous No.8944219]

>>8944195
You must be fun at parties.

[Anonymous No.8944229]

A lot of devs are like this. The difference is this guy is stupid enough to get caught.

[Anonymous No.8944230]

Maybe they went back and forth on that design. Maybe the beta ROM had it and it shouldn't have. Maybe Naka is misremembering the finer timeline of events of a stressful release of a video game 30 years ago?
Was there any malicious intent to deceive? Does it really change anything if it didn't shake out precisely as he said? If no, then we don't need to get excited like we're Phoenix Wright trying to catch a defendant in a contradiction...

[Anonymous No.8944248]

>>8943763
>Shigeru Miyamoto is a hack
>Yuji Naka is a hack
>Shinji Mikami is a hack
>Hideo Kojima is a hack
>Hideki Kamiya is a hack
>Suda 51 is a hack
>Yu Suzuki is a hack
>Tom Itagaki is a hack
Anyone I missed out on?

[Anonymous No.8944249]

>>8944048
>dropped for being a sub-par developer
This.
I enjoyed Star Fox, but they talk about that period as if they were the gods of 3D when the highlights of their careers were going to Nintendo with a software rendered demo that the Japs were thoroughly unimpressed by. Using that to negotiate a deal to make a 3D accelerator chip that by their own admission they didn't know how to do. So they designed a chip that essentially turned their inexperienced 3D engine into silicon for their own benefit leading to the SFX's limited application outside of those specific games. They then got shitcanned when it was clear they had hit their peak and weren't about to push the N64 to any spectacular heights. They then independently published a mediocre 3D game and died, as predicted.

[Anonymous No.8944250]

>>8944219
Japs will unreservedly agree with me on this at a bar, but leftists who should go back to peddit are seething

[Anonymous No.8944263]

>>8944195
Positive generalisations are also racist, except when they aren't, I guess? Apparently saying black people are good at basketball is racist now, and yet no one seems to debate this idea that black people are naturally "cool".

[Anonymous No.8944269]

>>8943659
Another case point: The person that wrote the Metal Gear theme song (that's a ripoff of some Russian classical song) and the fake-deaf guy who made the music for Resident Evil that actually had a ghost-composer.

[Anonymous No.8944271]

>>8944250
Yea, ok, but show me where the leftist touched you.

[Anonymous No.8944296]

>>8943738
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.8944306]

>>8944249s
It's not so different from how Jeremy Blaustein and his fanboys whine about Kojima being a hack writer and then brags about how his translation fixed the story. Then you find out that most of his changes were just Marvel-style epic quips that didn't fit with the tone Kojima was setting up and the guy didn't even know something as basic as the Japanese word for "radio" (the name for codec was just a fluke). Not to mention, he always seems to be having a falling out with every person he ever worked with.

[Anonymous No.8944315]

>>8944296
Shenmue's main character.

[Anonymous No.8944325]

>>8944230
Agreed, and also note that he said 2 weeks before the master (April 1991), not the published release (June 1991). The date of the proto is also unknown. Yes, he's probably still exaggerating, but it's not a blatant lie.

[Anonymous No.8944345]

>Japanese people are LIARS
>If you disagree with me, you're a LEFTIST
>Black people are """"cool"""" apparently, why is that generalisation okay but calling that Japanese liars not HMMM?
JFC I wish seething conservatives would just kill themselves instead of shitting up a board about retro video games.

[Anonymous No.8944350]

>>8944345
>But calling the Japanese liars is not

[Anonymous No.8944378]

>>8944345
Why do you even play retro games? There's almost no diversity in old games. Seems like you have some internalized racism and misogyny, nigger-kun.

[Anonymous No.8944381]

>>8944271
Usually they go for your anal virginity, but only if you're very, very young.

[Anonymous No.8944404]

>>8944381
No wonder the schools are full of groomers lately.

[Anonymous No.8944423]

>>8944378
You people talk too fruity, is this supposed to be some kind of Ben Shapiro-esque logic bomb? Or are you just a retard?

[Anonymous No.8944424]

>>8943787

[Anonymous No.8944437]

>>8944423
I don't even disagree with Asian culture being bad in some places but damn these niggers and their constant obsession with culture wars and jews and leftists and commies are so fucking repetitive.

[Anonymous No.8944438]

>>8944423
>>8944424

[Anonymous No.8944548]

Reminder that a lot of devs are like this and most of the times you idiots gobble it up.

Like that youtube video with a dev from Crash Bandicoot, in which he explains it was the first "cartoony game ever made" and how they came up with some "super revolutionnary technique" to only load what's necessary on the screen, which was standard practice.

Since that video there hasn't been a CB thread without someone saying how such amazing devs Naughty Devs were.

[Anonymous No.8944561]

>>8944548
Yeah the naughty dog auto-fellation is amusing especially when they just ripped off fucking Hugo

[Anonymous No.8944789]

>>8944548
Pretty sure Grant Kirkhope's Game Grumps interview is full of this kind of shit.

[Anonymous No.8944808]

>>8943659
>I know this is off topic, BUT...
Fuck. Off.

[Anonymous No.8944874]

>>8944808
Woah, a screencap of one of those woke forums.
I'm crying now.