/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8936686]

>get hit once
>now you're completely gimped because you lost your ranged attack
This was bad design and there's a reason future installments abandoned this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8936690]

Umm wow umm... filtered much little zoomie? This was good game design, and no, I don't need to explain why

[Anonymous No.8936703]

>>8936686
play long enough to get the boomerang and bow, then faggot

[Anonymous No.8936712]

>game gives a ranged buff to players who are able to master combat giving incentive to do better
Git gud and actually focus on keeping the ranged attack instead of brainlessly using it as a crutch lmao.

[Anonymous No.8936720]

That’s why it’s better when it’s tied to having to acquire the legendary epic weapon after you’ve already built a ranged arsenal.
Plus it makes more sense that a magical sword is capable of conjuring phantom blades instead of just a shitty rusty copper sword you found in a cave

[Anonymous No.8936726]

>get hit once
>health goes down
Wow shit game, Forknife and Lust of Us abandoned this bullshit

[Anonymous No.8936794]

>get hit once
>now you're completely gimped because you lost your ranged attack
This was bad design and there's a reason future installments abandoned this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8936807]

>get hit once
>now you're completely gimped because you lost ALL your attack
This was bad design and there's a reason future installments abandoned this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8936825]

I've never understood the logic of the game getting harder when you fuck up and getting easier when you're doing well. If you die in a lot of shmups, you start from nothing.

[Anonymous No.8936838]

>>8936825
>game should scale down to my level of suckass so I can enjoy it
no, you should scale up to the game's level and that process is the enjoyment

[Anonymous No.8936848]

>>8936838
Sometimes true, sometimes not. Ideally, you need to be playing a game that's challenging enough to demand that you git gud, but if it's too hard, you don't really develop a skill unless you grind it out. And any situation where you have to grind it out isn't going to be fun. Besides, a game where you win due to rote memorization isn't as satisfying as being strategic.

[Anonymous No.8936872]

>>8936686
Future installments didn't abandon it though.
Zelda II (though the beam is pretty weak there)
Link to the Past
Link's Awakening
Oracle games
Four Swords
Minish Cap
Spirit Tracks
A Link Between Worlds
Tri Force Heroes
Even Breath of the Wild has it with the Master Sword.

[Anonymous No.8936878]

>>8936848
How are you gonna strategize higher difficulty rhythm games? Simon says gauntlets? Racing games where memorizing tracks is essential?
>isn't as satisfying
for you. It's not an objective thing.

[Anonymous No.8936945]

>>8936872
Every game except Zelda 2 only has the sword beam for stronger-level swords, not the one you start with.

[Anonymous No.8936965]

>>8936686
Get good.

[Anonymous No.8936998]

>>8936945
True

[Anonymous No.8937203]

The real crime is how terrible the sword beam is. Especially in Link to the Past where it does the equivalent of your shitty starting sword. I could take ages to whittle down an enemy with the piss poor 1x damage or just whack them with my 8x gold sword.

[Anonymous No.8937210]

>>8936686
Moggled.

[Anonymous No.8937214]

>>8937203
Sword beam in zelda 1 does damage equivalent to a normal swing, though.
Of course, anyone worth their salt at zelda 1 knows that bombs are far better than the wooden and white sword beams.

[Anonymous No.8937297]

>>8937203
The sword beam in Zelda 1 is OP. That's why they only let you use it when you have full hearts
>>8937214
>played through Zelda 1 like 10 times
>never used bombs on enemies except dodongos and manhandlas
>never used the whistle to warp

[Anonymous No.8937720]

>Getting hit in a game
>Ever
Couldn't be me

[Anonymous No.8937739]

I'm too much of a clumsy fuck to keep it very long, so I've just learned to go without it and git gud with the sword stabs.

[Anonymous No.8937753]

>>8936686
>rewarded for playing well enough to stay at full hearts
wow cool

[Anonymous No.8938251]

>>8936807
>This was bad design and there's a reason future installments abandoned this bullshit.
Well, maybe there's a reason Higgins fucking retired from adventuring?

[Anonymous No.8938267]

>>8936872
it's in phantom hourglass and spirit tracks too, and also kinda skyward sword but you can use it all the time in exchange for having to manually activate it

[Anonymous No.8938275]

>>8936872
it's in phantom hourglass too, and kinda skyward sword but you can use it all the time in exchange for having to manually activate it

[Anonymous No.8939781]

>>8936686
>bad design
>being so new you don't know your degeneration calls it artificial difficulty

[Anonymous No.8939817]

>>8936838
If a game is going to allow for some wiggle room in letting you make mistakes and said game also wishes for gameplay to be altered between said mistakes, it makes more sense for the player to actually become stronger when they are closer to running out of leniency. That way you are encouraged to keep playing to the last moment instead of reset-spamming when learning the game and you get a high-risk/high-reward tradeoff for playing in low health after you've mastered it. There is no good argument for the gradient to go the other way when the total sum of chances you give the player is the same and total difficulty is hence preserved.

[Anonymous No.8940103]

>>8936720
overrated idea, Zelda isn't an RPG

[Anonymous No.8940168]

>>8936686
>get hit once
>now you're completely gimped because you lost all your upgrades
Fuck this unironically

[Anonymous No.8940175]

The ranged attack is over powered. It's a reward for keeping all your hearts.

[Anonymous No.8940205]

>>8936686
>Getting down too 3 hearts causes an ear splitting alarm to sound continuously.
>Health is very scarce.
>You start with 4 hearts.

[Anonymous No.8940290]

>>8939817
>pseudspeak

[Anonymous No.8940813]

>>8939817
You should beat the game, it's should not be games job to allow you to beat it.
>b-but what if hypothetically the game it's like suppa unfair
Fuck off, you know what I mean, if that's the case - drop the game and move on.

[Anonymous No.8940828]

>>8936794
Only outside of Asia. In Japan, getting hit in any other form still returns you back to small Mario in Japan.

[Anonymous No.8940864]

>>8940168
Gradius 1 is one of the most forgiving games in the series because the difficulty scales with how upgraded your ship is.

[Anonymous No.8940865]

>>8936686
>and there's a reason future installments abandoned this bullshit.
Yeah, they couldn't figure out how to make it work in 3D.

[Anonymous No.8940870]

>>8940828
Even Japan got rid of that.

[Anonymous No.8940878]

>>8940870
When? I remember that lasting a long while.

[Anonymous No.8940879]

>>8936686
>get hit
don't

[Anonymous No.8940932]

>>8936686
Never had a problem with this. I did have a problem with the game always starting you off with only three hearts, though. Once you had more than a few extra heart containers, it meant having to grind for hearts before getting the beam back.

[Anonymous No.8940997]

>>8936686
it's a reward for avoiding damage

[Anonymous No.8941084]

>>8940932
dont get those containers then, stick with 3 hearts, take the red potions instead of the containers, leave them in the boss rooms

[Anonymous No.8941089]

>>8936825
It really blows for shmups because for a lot of them they might as well just cut the shit and just give you a game over right there

[Anonymous No.8941243]

>>8940878
Since the Super Mario Advance ports. The one for SMB3 had an e-Reader card that restored the Japanese damage system, but that was treated as a bonus for hardcore players.

[Anonymous No.8941257]

>>8936686
The sword is your main weapon. The beam is a powerup. The beam is supposed to be frosting on your cake.

[Anonymous No.8941264]

>>8940932
once you get the power bracelet, you can head to the right where the tektites are to warp to a fairy fountain
kinda fucked if you're in a dungeon that isn't level 7 or 9 though

[Anonymous No.8941272]

>>8940932
M8, just go to a fairy fountain. There's one like a minute away from where you spawn on a reset

[Anonymous No.8941273]

>getting better at the game gives you advantages that make it easier to beat

oh no